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jamesy01 - Member
Its Monaco...everyone does a one stop with long first stint unless unforeseen circumstances dictate otherwise.
Hmmm, puzzling why he would bring the extra set of softs then.
Edit, actually I just checked the numbers for 2015 (as '16 was wet), it's about 50% on a one stop.
Alonso's Indy jolly looking better and better...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129792/button-gets-grid-penalty-for-his-f1-return
So long as his Honda engine doesn't also blow up because they've been having issues with them in indy..
Ultra softs good for race distance too Pirelli have stated. Last lap changes to soft then? Guess it'll depend on the time gaps or more likely deployment of a safety car at some point.
ooops 😀
Big oops
Lewis clearly isn't comfortable with that car...14th place. Ouch indeed.
happy with that
Whats the odds on hamilton making it thru the race with his front wing intact? He going to want to overtake from there.
Getting beaten by his team mate would be embarrassing given how good a driver he thinks he is
Getting through to Q3 and not ending up with your car in pieces would make you look pretty classy then.
It's funny just how much better VanDoone goes without Alonso holding him back. He must wee in his fuel tank every weekend.
It's funny just how much better VanDoone goes without Alonso holding him back
Until he stops suddenly.
Monaco does play to McLaren's strengths - the chassis is clearly very good, even if the engine is made out of old socks and toilet rolls.
Not a clue how this race will pan out. Monaco is normally a procession, but 1 in 10 is carnage and with Raikkonen on pole, Hamilton 13th, Button last as you say in a car that suits Monaco and Verstappen behind the Ferraris it could be a good watch.
Until he stops suddenly
Nobobdy's perfect.
It's usually the motor that stops first.
So James Allen is thinking maybe Raikkonen to retire, Perez to Ferrari and Sainz to Renault..
Who cares what he thinks, this could be the Monaco GP with the most action ever. Getting excited!
this could be the Monaco GP with the most action ever
Here's hoping...but wider cars, tyres that last for ever, and it's Monaco ...the chances seem slim!
Yawn. Apparently the race comes later, according to Hamo's engineer. Is that motoGP or something?
Good to see Button back but he's starting from the back after qualifying 9th?
Good to see Button back but he's starting from the back after qualifying 9th?
The Honda MGU-H is only capable of lasting a couple of races. He had to have a new one fitted which went over the allocation allowed for the season which I think gave him a 15 place grid penalty putting him to the back. McLaren then made further car changes overnight which meant a pitlane start.
15 place Honda penalty for jb, hence the pit lane start. Expect it was turbo and energy store as well as the mgu, 5 places each.
Couldn't they scrap the chicane after the tunnel and tighten up tabac, might give a better passing opportunity.
This is shaping up to be a fantastic race 🙄
OK, which lap will Stroll bin it on? I'm going 51.
They've screwed Kimi over (which was predictable!)
Kimi's thinking about his ice cream
In racing terms, I don't understand why they bother with this GP...not a single overtake so far (oh, Lewis got one off the line)
Safety car
I suspect Button was frustrated by just having to tour round because of the issues with passing and went for a gap that wasn't really there.
It is a very odd race these days - the lack of passing does make it rather pointless.
It's always been an odd race - there has never been passing at Monaco. There have been some very dramatic races though! Personally I love it.
And for sponsors this race is massive. I bet there are a few who wouldn't be involved if F1 if it wasn't for this race.
What the bloody hell happened then?
Drivers love to drive there, sponsors love schmooze there, the beautiful people love to be seen there. I'm none of the above and wish the actual race could live up to the rest of the hype around it.
And for sponsors this race is massive. I bet there are a few who wouldn't be involved if F1 if it wasn't for this race.
Yeah, that's why I said "in racing terms"..it's a procession, unless it rains. Maybe they should water the track
I'd rather they dropped tracks like China with it's huge expanses of tarmac and no sense of speed.
I love Monaco - and the moves driven from desperation! 😀
I could watch a single car being driven hard around here.
I could watch a single car being driven hard around here.
That is not a race. Yes, it's impressive to see, but it isn't racing.
Am always disappointed when they choose this as one of the full races to show as opposed to just highlights. If ever there was a race where you only want the highlights it's Monaco.
They'd only need a 5 min slot
Are you including an ad break Twodogs?
😀
I liked the effort the safety car was putting in through the chicane after the tunnel. Should definitely make the highlight reel.
The race itself is pretty much an exhibition drive past these days. The only time you get any action is when one of the drivers is ill-advised enough to try an overtake. The news that the tarmac was wearing out a bit was one of the livelier moments.
Qualifying is the biggest day of the weekend.
double bubble
Alonso in the lead!
Just watched it on catchup after being at work.
BORING. Even the first few laps after the safety car were a damp squib! Most exciting bit was Button doing a banzai move to make his bosses think hard next time about doing a one-off appearance 😆
Do feel a bit sorry for Raikkonnen though, with Hamilton screwed up they could have let him win it. Or at least not give Vettel the opportunity to nick it off him.
At least it's Canada next 8)
Street circuits are shit.
nemesis - Member
Alonso's Indy jolly looking better and better...http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129792/button-gets-grid-penalty-for-his-f1-return
So long as his Honda engine doesn't also blow up because they've been having issues with them in indy..
You know when you hate being right 👿 Yeah, that
To paraphrase Nelson Piquet, racing at Monaco is a bit like trying to ride a bicycle around your living room.
Aside from Jenson's racing sawnsong, there was little else to recommend it.
[url= http://en.f1i.com/images/269725-ross-brawn-goes-field.html ]Slow news week?[/url]
Lols yep, that is a picture of Ross Brawn standing at trackside!!
To slightly expand on that - during his commentary Martin Brundle said it was the first time in years he could recall F1 'management' actually looking at what is going on trackside! They usually don't GAS.
I thought Button's move was worth a try. What difference did it make? As otherwise he was just plodding along at the back with a faster car than the one in front, who just so happened to be on a penalty of 5 seconds.
Button should have been ahead of the Sauber; it was only an unsafe release that meant he wasn't.
He probably got fed up with peering at the back of that gearbox and decided he'd like a look underneath.
This was my 2nd F1 GP, first was in the. "70s at Silverstone
Monaco was supposed to be a "treat" to me from MrsT built into our "summer vacation " It'll be the last!!!!!!
How an F1 race with these massive cars can ever take place on that track again beggars belief!!!!! It was sad and painful to watch (tooooo hot) What was also painfully disgusting to watch from the stand across the way from the harbour area was the obscene waste of food, alcohol of all kinds and the way the (mainly)blonde models were hearded about from boat to boat/man to man/photographer to photographer!!! They appeared to be delivered complete with "trout pout" by a fleet of blacked out Clios......
The days highlight if you could call it that was the Porsche Cup race. We didn't witness any overtakes but the NOISE and commitment was awesome.
The Formula Renault race preceding the F1 event was equally boring.......
Expensive mistake........
WRC next year
PS.. The Honda "engine" sounds like an electric car, practically no noise compared to the others
Jolyon might be out after Canada
Very pleased about that. He's terrible and such a annoying tit when interviewed.
No big surprise there - he doesn't quite seem to have got what it takes.
Yeah sadly he's really not shone at all. The Hulk on the other hand appears to have been doing a great job. Really hope Renault find another good driver, they are starting to show some promise after some tricky years.
I do feel a bit sorry for Palmer, but he's absolutely not been on top of his game for some time. He's not done himself many favours with his PR either. I think that Magnussen jumping ship to Haas was the only thing that has kept Palmer's F1 career alive.
Kubica back in an F1 car tomorrow - wishful thinking to believe it's any more than a fun day out though...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/kubica-set-for-first-f1-test-since-2011-at-valencia-914597/
Just in case you missed the Indy 500...
https://wtf1.com/post/indycar-have-uploaded-the-entire-2017-indy-500-on-youtube/
Palmer's complete lack of pace is slightly baffling considering he won GP2. I can only guess he is picky about setup and hasn't been able to get comfortable with his cars thus far.
Anyway Palmer out, Kubica in? 🙂
Wow - 115 laps! Race simulation and supposedly faster than Sirotkin who was also testing...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-kubica-completes-renault-test-914975/
Palmer's complete lack of pace is slightly baffling considering he won GP2
He had to have 4 goes at it though! 😀
Perhaps if Kubica can't manage Monaco he could miss that and do Indy!
I'd rather have Kubica for 20 out of 21 races than Palmer for all of them.
[quote=the-muffin-man ]Wow - 115 laps! Race simulation and supposedly faster than Sirotkin who was also testing...
> https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-kubica-completes-renault-test-914975/
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115 laps..! Enough for a super licence, do the FIA have the ability to award a license based on his past single seater experience or does he still need the points from another series?
He should be able to get a Superlicence (nicked from another forum)...
If the driver hasn't made at least five F1 race starts the previous year or at least 15 starts within the previous three years he/she must have accumulated at least 40 points during the three-year period preceding the application.
or in exceptional circumstances, those who have not met those criteria but have demonstrated "outstanding ability in single-seater formula cars" and achieved 300 kilometres (190 miles) of running in a Formula One car.
Kubica's very good...but is he really a viable option for Renault after so long out of the cockpit?
Is he any less viable than keeping Palmer or taking a punt on someone with no F1 racing experience?
It's a gamble regardless, would be good to see Kubica back.
Why would Renault run a 2012 car for 115 laps if it isn't for Kubica to get a superlicence. Or is the 2012 car more relevant to todays cars than I realise - in which case are they allowed to do this type of 'private' test?
Why would Renault run a 2012 car for 115 laps if it isn't for Kubica to get a superlicence.
This is the odd thing - if it was just for a run out, 40 or 50 laps would have done - 115 laps is serious testing mileage. And they could have left Sirotkin in the car for more laps as he is down as a possible Palmer replacement.
Kubica is playing things down though...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/kubica-f1-test-showed-what-i-lost-915113/
Maybe it's part of an on-going driver recruitment issue they have, saying to someone 'we don't need you, we have other options'. A few names have been mentioned in connection with Renault.Why would Renault run a 2012 car for 115 laps if it isn't for Kubica to get a superlicence.
[url= http://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/19580299/fernando-alonso-stay-mclaren-unlikely-event-wins-september ]Alonso announces he will leave Mclaren.[/url]
Not quite what he's saying there, and the tone will change significantly if they head to Mercedes again next year
Not quite what he's saying there,
quite, it's all very vague and non-committal in any direction, as you'd expect!
Interesting interview with Kubica on Sky. He's clearly wanting to get back in F1 despite what was said after the test. I suspect he'll never be up to winning a WDC due to limitations on tighter tracks from his injury but most teams would put up with that if his speed is otherwise undiminished.
"After I have done this test, I would like to test more but that doesn't depend only on my side. I will keep working and hopefully I will have a chance to go forward, and step by step maybe have a proper comeback.
Really enjoyed that! Shame we lost Max early on and Kimi had his brake problem at the end but very entertaining nonetheless. And Patrick Stewart and Danny Ric doing shoeys together at the end! Absolutely mint. Howling at th telly, wot a toppa!!
Yep - really good race. Not sure about the Force India situation at the end. Needed stronger pit-wall management as it could easily have ended in a double DNF.
As it stands Ocon is the only one of the new boys who is showing promise and progressing - pushing Perez to the max is no easy feat. Vandoorne and Stroll are both a bit meh.
And it's amazing how Kimi had brake trouble as soon as Vettel was on his tail! 😉
I wonder if max discharging all his battery power in the first 100 meters burnt something out! Force India threw away a possible podium not letting Ocon have a go at Ricciardo with fresher tyres.
Great podium with Patrick Stuart and the Shooee bit, so did anyone else the new Carbon champagne bottles, I assume its a thin wrap but how much is a bottle of that going to be?
Cracking race.
Gutted for Fred being on for points but he looked like he was having fun in the stands.
As said, it was all a bit wet on the Force India pit wall. They should have moved Perez over long before Vettel arrived on the scene.
But how many of those marshalls had spent the weekend on the lash? They could hardly stay upright.
Best race for a while that 😀
Ferrari have a bad race.
Vettel gets some manners put on him.
Alonso proves that Honda struggle to make an engine last a race no matter what he drives.
Forced India prove they're a bit weak pitwall-wise, should have ordered Perez to let Ocon through early on.
Stroll gets his first points in his home GP*.
The podium was funny, if a bit cringe-worthy.
Only downside was that the Mercs walked away with it, but the midfield stuff was massively entertaining 8)
* still don't rate him, he's just too aggressive on the steering inputs and hesitant on passing manoeuvres. Maybe he'll settle now, hope he does for Williams' sake!
McLaren Honda divorce looks like its happening, you cannot blame them:
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/252387/1/mclaren-admits-honda-money-no-longer-offsetting-losses.html
The McLaren Honda story continues to captivate. I couldn't help but notice a change in language from the team, starting with Alonso and now Boullier and Zac Brown. I wouldn't be surprised if a deal with Mercedes has already been done.
Honda have quite rightly come under a huge amount of criticism. Corporate culture has rendered it incapable of taking a decision to call in outside help, preferring to solve the problems on their own. The ideas have dried up, or cannot be translated to on-track advantage. There's imply no way that Honda will have a competitive power unit by the end of the summer.
The question is whether it's an interim deal while Honda gets it's shit together with a view to return to a partnership in 2019 (or 2020) or whether the relationship with Honda has broken down entirely.
Mclaren are cutting their losses, there's going to be a new engine formula in a few years that will hopefully be simpler to manage and open up competition from non works teams. Until then they need to get enough revenue and success to retain the facilities and workforce they have, so moving to a "banker" engine makes sense.