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Undercover Video: Pfizer Scientist Expressed Concern Over Covid Vaccines Causing Heart Inflammation in 2021
https://thekylebecker.substack.com/p/undercover-video-pfizer-scientist
Misleading. Lancet reported some in rare cases of heart problems(concerning valves I think it was) This type of info is just being touted by the anti vaxx weirdos to be more than it actually is.
So hardly "Undercover" thats the type of language the weirdos like to use. In fact you can pretty much tell its a load of bollocks just from that type or terminology 🙄
I think overall the vaccine has made things better for millions of people. Even in over the counter drugs taken by millions every day for decades some problems have been reported of side effects. Look at statins for example.
Covid deaths are at nearly 7 million*, so I think given few of those are vaccine related we should place the vaccine as beneficial.
* We know some countries,China for example have under reported their figures, so the cases might be 10 million deaths.
FDA finally got around to publishing the data signals on the mRNA vaccine
Conclusion From your link.
FDA strongly believes the potential benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the potential risks of COVID-19 infection
Some people really aren't grown up enough to handle the Internet
Glad it wasn’t just me that read the posts, then the links and thought… “eh”
My theory / hunch on this is that we are seeing more die from long term exposure to traffic pollution ( all those diesel fumes from cars with cheat devices) - and the consequences of excessive alcohol consumption during lockdown. I of course have no evidence to support this!
My anecdotally based one is that for 2 years we had reduced interaction with wider population and myself & my kids were cold free ft or almost the entire time, while this year we've had loads of snotty noses and coughs and personally I've had flu just b4 xmas & covid just after it!
Ooops! Looks like a I put 20p in the metre. Sorry guys.
Circulating Spike Protein Detected in Post–COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Myocarditis
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.061025
Will this cartoon help?
Anecdotally, I think it's a number of things. 1. More folks have shielded themselves and their immunity to regular coughs colds flu etc is lower. 2. We're really struggling (in primary healthcare) to get back to the regular check ups that we offered folks with chronic conditions, and those people are getting sicker and they're coming in later when they're properly ill (often too late) and 3. Getting those folks to be seen quickly by a referral to specialist is taking longer and longer. 4. There's a large population of folks who're are elderly and frail who in normal times would "just about get by". For a variety of reasons - some of the above, others like cost of heating etc; aren't managing now.
BBC news just had a piece about statins with some cardiologist being interviewed, conversation moved to the excess deaths thing, and the doctor blamed the RNA vaccines 😐
Fuelling the fire 🤦
That was Dr Aseem Malhotra. Campaigns against over-prescription.Turned his focus recently to stopping the vaccines. He is currently on social media boasting he got onto the BBC. Also suggesting the vaccines are linked somehow to Lisa Marie Presley.
The downward spiral of Aseem Malhotra (substack.com)
Ah yes, the perceived media bias and 'balance'. If MSM were to really reflect the scientific opinion then they'd have (IDK) 300? 500? interviews with doctors and researchers supporting the vaccine program for every one they have with the antivaxxers. But balance means one each.
And then they still get accused of bias.
Does it? Jan 21 is showing many COVID excess deaths, no non-COVID. We were in a COVID wave.
Yes, I think so? Under excess deaths for 0-24 well below average and in that age, Jan 2021, see a drop off and then excess deaths rocket, where only a small minority is from COVID-19 related disease. Think we're looking at different charts. I'm looking at the 0-26. Most of the excess deaths are several times the amount of the covid deaths. Within this age range, the stats are very different to the older demographics; however, 25-49 is quite a broad age range, so difficult to draw any conclusions.
That was Dr Aseem Malhotra.
Who is a ****ing nut job grifter desperately clutching at straws to further his notoriety
whoever booked him for BBC breakfast news needs their head looking at....
Yes, I think so? Under excess deaths for 0-24
But the younger age groups didn't get the vaccine in Jan 21. The UK rollout worked through the priority groups and ages, they got it much later in the year (August onwards?)
Two different things at play
1. Excess Deaths as defined by people like RCEM (Royal Colleage of Emergency Medicine) undoubtedly up. Adrian Boyle is in front of Health Select Cttee later this month, where is will be interesting to hear what NHS England says in response to the claims of 300-500 people a week dying because of poor NHS care. Essentially, if you underfund health and social care, fail to train enough people, fail to pay social care rates, and leave a £10bn backlog in capital expenditure over a 12 year period then people start to die in the back of ambulances and in ED's.
2. Excess mortality as flagged by ONS this week is different. The NHS contributes to only 20% of our overall health. The rest of what makes a community healthy is the jobs we do, our community, family, food policy, housing and welfare state. 12 years of austerity are making people unhealthier and making them die earlier. This FT graph and the work of Micheal Marmot is widely accepted now. That we have had 50 years of growth in healthy life expectancy until the last 10 years is what we should be measuring the success of our governments policy programme.
https://www.ft.com/content/63cce5a5-a4c9-432f-9c55-919f7e0281ac
Jamze, good point!
BBC news just had a piece about statins with some cardiologist being interviewed, conversation moved to the excess deaths thing, and the doctor blamed the RNA vaccines
Why the holy hell are the BBC still letting these nuts on the air? Whoever is lining up interviewees needs to do at least a cursory google search to make sure they are not disinformation hardcases.
There are a lot of potential reasons why more people are dropping dead right now. These include:
1: Reduced access to preventive healthcare during the pandemic, and difficulties accessing primary care since. This lack of early engagement, coupled with delays in diagnosis and treatment, means stuff (like heart problems) either kills you before you can get help, or you end up being sicker than they otherwise would be by the time it is spotted, so your outcomes are worse.
2: Has the past few years had a noticeable effect on overall public health and lifestyle choices? Are people drinking more, eating less healthily?
3: Mental health burden of pandemic and austerity? This could also trigger poor lifestyle choices.
4: Normally you would expect the burden of respiratory illness to fall primarily in the winter months. During Covid, we have had successive waves at regular intervals, people have been repeatedly infected, and even with relatively mild cases, there have been heart-related consequences. This might be enough to increase the overall burden of cardiac ill health.
5: Our immune systems have not been exposed to 'regular' stuff like flu etc as much over the past couple of years. This means a higher number of us will get sicker.
6: There is some evidence that covid may be worse than other endemic viruses in terms of the ongoing burden it places on your immune reponse, and can also cause longer-term systemic inflammation in some patients. Systemic inflammation is bad for you, and can cause a wide range of issues.
7: Maybe mass vaccination has a negative effect on population health.
Fortunately, if vaccination was contributing significantly to this rise, a simple look at the mortality rates in vaccinated and unvaccinated populations gives you a clue, because you would expect to see a difference. I'm sure multiple large cohort studies are underway.
The overall picture is bound to be complex and interlinked, because in large populations it always is. There will be some contribution to mortality from vaccine injury, we've just had the biggest vaccination campaign in NHS history, and each jab carries a tiny risk of harm. But the clear picture from almost the start is that the benefits in terms of mortality and morbidity far, far outweigh the risk.
Why the holy hell are the BBC still letting these nuts on the air?
For 'balance'
it would be better balance if they had an opposing view!
he said what he said, the presenter said 'and is this scientifically proven' and he said yes, and the presenter moved on. to be fair, the presenter seemed surprised, presumably no idea who she was talking to.
bobbins reporting.
His statement that his father went from being in perfect health to having severe coronary artery disease in the space of 6 months after a vaccine seems unlikely. Maybe if it was a blood clot combined with existing artery issues. But I'm not a cardiologist 🤷🏻♂️
he said what he said, the presenter said ‘and is this scientifically proven’ and he said yes, and the presenter moved on. to be fair, the presenter seemed surprised, presumably no idea who she was talking to.
You can't expect a presenter to be able to take on this kind of argument, it's not her field and the other chap has spent most of the last three years defending his insane theories. The problem is with the producer who booked him. The nutters are always available to jump into any time slot, and this is too tempting for a producer who is having trouble finding someone decent.
Was just about to post that.
If you wanted to claim the vaccines were contributing towards the pretty incredible 30k excess heart disease deaths, is it not just a case of looking whether or not these statistics are reflected in other countries?
Maybe I've missed something, but if someone said these deaths *could* be attributed towards the vaccines, is that really "fringe", "misguided" and that he's a "nutcase"? It's a hypothesis; it's either true or untrue and seems a question which should be easily answered.
Lastly, inflamation of the heart is an acceped side effect of the vaccines; why is it so crazy to suggst a possible link to vaccines causing heart disease?
Interesting that the graph above, from Piemonster, does back this up…
It does appear to, doesn’t it?
Your regular reminder that correlation does not imply causation
https://twitter.com/i/status/1224404802693668864
Lastly, inflamation of the heart is an acceped side effect of the vaccines; why is it so crazy to suggst a possible link to vaccines causing heart disease?
Or infection with covid is leading to increased issues with myocarditis, inflammation, organ damage etc, then again that doesn’t fit well with the vaccine = bad narrative as espoused by ****ing idiots
Did he say they *could* be attributed though? I didn't see the interview, and I can't find it reported directly on the BBC website but the linked Guardian report carries definitive language (quotes below)
- saying his “own research” showed “Covid mRNA vaccines do carry a cardiovascular risk”
- claiming they pose a greater threat than the virus itself
- he reiterated his claim the jabs were a likely cause of his father’s death.
Not *could*. Likely.
On claim 1 - this is true, but from what I understand the increased risk is unlikely to be have anything like the size of impact that seems to be insinuated, no different to other vaccines, and way less than the virus itself. In the most at risk category (18-29 years olds) there's a 29 per million case rate of myocarditis (heart inflammation). Even if every one of those cases lead to death, 30,000 deaths would need ~ one billion vaccine doses - and they don't, myocarditis is a minor condition for most ; from the BHF report "those affected have usually quickly felt better with rest and simple treatments"
It’s a hypothesis; it’s either true or untrue and seems a question which should be easily answered.
It's a bit beyond a hypothesis, it's a claim. And that's what the BHF is doing, and reporting
Research suggests that overall, myocarditis is no more likely to be triggered by a Covid vaccine by than any other vaccine. It's also worth noting that Covid-19 itself is much more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine
What I don't get is why fatmountain bothered to pretend he didn't want to start a covid vaccine conspiracy thread....
Or Maybe I’ve missed something, but if someone said these deaths *could* be attributed towards the vaccines, is that really “fringe”, “misguided” and that he’s a “nutcase”? It’s a hypothesis; it’s either true or untrue and seems a question which should be easily answered.
Because its been pointed out here several times that covid does indeed cause myocarditis and that any risk from Vaccines is far far smaller
Not least because as pointed out on page 1, despite being on average younger, unvaccinated are more likely to be in the excess deaths seen
I'm trying to avoid shutting down debate, on the back of echo chamber threads, etc.
But I do smell a hint of sealion
Blabbergob has naffed off, so we're just in a roundabout argument.
I think thats what these anti vax weirdos do. Spout out their nonsense then leave, mainly because in debate they're unable to holds their own.
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What I don’t get is why fatmountain bothered to pretend he didn’t want to start a covid vaccine conspiracy thread….
Thank goodness. I thought it was just me that thought the "devil's advocate" thing wasn't what it was really about.
No one's born "anti-vax".
These people were in the groupthink norm like everyone else until they had harm caused by a vaccine or witnessed it in someone close.
Then the rest of the population gaslight them into not believing their own eyes.
Dr Aseem Malhotra going on the BBC and telling everyone the truth was remarkable. A sea change moment.
In other news today
U.S. FDA, CDC see early signal of Pfizer bivalent COVID shot's link to stroke
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-says-pfizers-bivalent-covid-shot-may-be-linked-stroke-older-adults-2023-01-13/
Yeah you don't say.
The truth is coming out and some of you are just gonna have to face up to the fact you were lied to.
The below doesnt matter to you because it doesnt fit into your narrative.
Baaaaa
In September 2022, Malhotra publicly campaigned against the use of COVID mRNA vaccines..An AFP factcheck warned of his claims:
"This is false; experts say his research misleads on the risks of vaccination by cherry-picking evidence and relying on flawed studies, and public health authorities agree the benefits of the shots outweigh the risks.
These people were in the groupthink norm like everyone else until they had harm caused by a vaccine or witnessed it in someone close.
This isn’t true
Dr Aseem Malhotra going on the BBC and telling everyone the truth was remarkable. A sea change moment.
Nor is this
Oh look what happens when you read more than a headline.
Although the totality of the data currently suggests that it is very unlikely that the signal in VSD (Vaccine Safety Datalink) represents a true clinical risk, we believe it is important to share this information with the public," t
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What is the purpose of this big lie about the virus and vaccines?
Something about waking up, control and doing your own research.
Oh and Sheeple.
If vaccines were a driver of excess mortality, then all countries where vaccines are used widely would be registering the same excess mortality. I would refer “Winston’ to the euromomo website where a detailed and common methodology is used to compare deaths with expected numbers using a much more rigorous methodology that a simple average (the ONS weekly release).
In summary, you will see that there is evidence of seasonal excess over the winter, but not consistent excess deaths throughout the year. Perhaps “Winston” would care to explain why vaccination would only increase deaths during winter? A more likely explanation is that people have not been infected with influenza for a few years, lost immunity and are suffering more severe infections. In any event, the excess (defined as four standard deviations) is comparable with influenza in 2018.
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
Btw “6074 Winston Smith let fall that piece of bread” was the only quote from 1984 I took into my O’Level English exam. Didn’t use it.
If vaccines were a driver of excess mortality, then all countries where vaccines are used widely would be registering the same excess mortality
Quite. Yet you often see folks who are raising this suggestion that excess deaths are linked to vaccines will in the next breath tell you how well Sweden are doing with excess deaths, conveniently ignoring the over 25M vaccine doses given there.
What is the purpose of this big lie about the virus and vaccines?
This is what I wonder. What is their actual point 😕
What is the purpose of this big lie about the virus and vaccines?
Lizards can't help it. It's just their lizard nature.
until they had harm caused by a vaccine or witnessed it in someone close.
That old chestnut, unqualified people make massive judgement leap to make them feel better about their own poor lifestyle choices and find 3rd party to blame or people looking for someone to blame for a loved ones illness.
Yes some people have adverse reactions to vaccines, some people have very nasty reactions or even die. They are a tiny minority and as a comparison the unvaxed who get the disease fair much worse.
It's the do your own research sheeple call, most people are not competent to do their own research and come to any meaningful conclusions hence the anti Vax nut jobs.
TBF to the OP, i have been known to ask for ammunition here to be deployed elsewhere - in particular there is one chap on another forum i frequent that posts links and videos that are sometimes easy to refute, but often need bigger guns than i can provide.
I have often been appreciative of the expertise here, to help me fight the tide of shite they espouse.
If vaccines were a driver of excess mortality, then all countries where vaccines are used widely would be registering the same excess mortality
Not so because different countries used different vaccines or proportions of vaccines in their populations.
On the personal anecdotic evidence I had cervalgies and headaches that started 4-5 days after AZ jabs and were handicapping for a couple of months. The first time the doc said it was probably coincidence so I stupidly had the second AZ jab and experienced the same again. I had almost no reaction to the third Moderna jab and no reaction whatsoever to the fourth Pfizer Omicron jab. The cervalgies have never completely gone away.
Still plenty of data on the vaccines, the UK also used more than one. The reality is that there is no increase related to vaccine.
Sounds to me like you have neck pain, probably of muscular origin these can often cause headaches. So, yes coincidental that you had them just after the vaccine.
with a helping of placebo effect and or psychosomatic effects?
That old chestnut, unqualified people make massive judgement leap to make them feel better about their own poor lifestyle choices and find 3rd party to blame or people looking for someone to blame for a loved ones illness.
I think that's a bit unfair. Sometimes people just die for no obvious reason.
Going through this with my Dad at the moment. I can see how, if the doctor's don't know why someone is dying, you start scrabbling around for any reason. People just dying and us not being able to do anything about it and not knowing why doesn't feel like something that should really be happening in this day and age.
So yeah, sometimes people just die.
It takes quite a lot of pain to keep me off a bike, TJ. The pain was real and as Drac suggests probably of muscular origin, that's what cervalgies are, the coincidence remarkable but possible. I checked out where my symptons fitted in the greater scheme of things in the stats for reported side effects, I was far from the only person to experience those symptoms after vaccination, whether caused by the vaccination or not.
Good Twitter thread where the inane ramblings of “Dr” Aseem Malhotra are debunked with facts.
https://twitter.com/dr_barrett/status/1613848864930267136?s=61&t=BT9LunKMrxkw74lkv5xsXw
The pain was real and as Drac suggests probably of muscular origin, that’s what cervalgies are,
I know.
I get them and lead to migraines if I don’t follow the physio advice I was given, sometimes I have to get physio to resolve them.
Going through this with my Dad at the moment. I can see how, if the doctor’s don’t know why someone is dying, you start scrabbling around for any reason
Sorry to hear this hope he is in comfort. People die as you say, just old age our bodies can’t go forever.
I’ve just lost my Gran this week. She was 91, had COPD and heart failure caught covid at the start and beat it. Caught again a few weeks ago and it weakened her enough for her medical problems to finally take their toll.
Sorry to hear this hope he is in comfort. People die as you say, just old age our bodies can’t go forever.
I’ve just lost my Gran this week. She was 91, had COPD and heart failure caught covid at the start and beat it. Caught again a few weeks ago and it weakened her enough for her medical problems to finally take their toll.
Sorry to hear that.
My Dad was absolutely fine. He thought he had the flu so was in bed for a couple of days. He then spoke to the doctor who asked him to come down to the surgery and then sent him up to the hospital.
He was diagnosed with bacterial pneumonia. Since then he's been getting hit with every antibiotic and steroid available with no effect. There's nothing left for them to try.
I took some time off and came back to my Mum's house. I'm going to see him every day. He could go at any time. On the other hand he could be around for a few more weeks.
Both my Mum and Dad have persuaded me that I can stay until next week at which point I have to say goodbye and head back to my own family.
2023 sucks so far.
I had loads of side effects from my first AZ jab, including very significant muscle pain, iirc it lasted over a week.
In my capacity as someone with absolutely no expertise in the field of vaccinations and immune response I was very happy indeed.
It reassured me that whatever had been injected into my body, in the case of AZ something derived from chimpanzee shit I believe, it had some sort of effect and had produced a strong immune response, including inflammation. I would have been disappointed if my body hadn't reacted at all.
Subsequent non AZ jabs and boosters have not caused any significant reactions. I am assuming that this is because my immune system now recognises covid to a certain degree. It is no longer something which I have absolutely no immunity to.