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"They burnt a teacher in front of the students in a classroom," he said. "They literally set the teacher on fire with gasoline and made the kids watch."
I saw this on the BBC web site. It is making me feel physically sick to think about it.
cannot think of anything to say after reading that news report 🙁
How anyone can have religious faith after something like this is beyond my comprehension. I feel sick after reading that.
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Before stupid/political comments start rolling in, that's the worst thing I've seen in a long time 🙁
Desperately sad.
Not really winning the hearts and minds with this course of action...
Mind boggling how people can do this, but they have, and still do, sadly.
Absolute evil. it saddens me deeply that fellow human beings could carry out such atrocities.
Actually, thinking about it, the purpitrators cannot be called human. ****ing savages.
How anyone can have religious faith after something like this is beyond my comprehension. I feel sick after reading that.
This has gone way beyond religion. It's ideology.
absolutely disgusted!!
these lowlife scumbag cowards are not human...they dont even class as sub-human...they're nothing but devils walking the earth carrying out their acts of despicable evil whilst hiding behind the context of religion....the only retribution for them is to catch them and brutally and slowly kill them.
How anyone can have religious faith after something like this is beyond my comprehension.
Really?
There is no stupid political or religious comment to make.
Grown men are machine gunning children in their own school. It is pure insanity. 🙁
Hard to see what they wish to achieve by this as its not likely to make the military less likely to fight them
A desperately sad state of affairs when they will deliberately target children- is nothing out of bounds for these people?
Evil bastards 🙁
This has gone way beyond religion. It's ideology.
Its beyond ideology. And terrorism. Its fascism. Pure and simple.
the only retribution for them is to catch them and brutally and slowly kill them.
That has to be a troll, surely?
Beyond words. And what do they think that killing the children of military personnel will produce in terms of a response?
Thats tragically awful.
How these loons can justify that sort of nonsense in the name of a god is beyond me.
AND THATS WHY ALL RELIGION IS EVIL FOLKS.
Really?
Yeah
occasionally you meet somebody in life who believes something you dont and there is no convincing them, a different opinion is fine, but once that opinion becomes this its just atrocious.
Only serves to show that it's still the middle ages.
Poor kids.
s'not too different to the Christian missionaries in the Congo a couple of years back that burnt a family of 'witches' alive in front of the whole village..
Whipping up a frenzy with everyone lending a hand to club the broken and despondent victims into submission and drive them back into the flames when they stumbled silently and bewildered out of the firepit..
That was a harrowing scene that will haunt me forever
The depths of human depravity know no bounds as far as I can see, we cannot hope to understand the workings of the minds of people that exist in such brutal and barbaric realities.. our life experiences must be so far apart that I'm not even sure if we can stand in judgement
The last time I looked the Americans had killed about 2500 "terrorists" in ****stan with their drones (mainly since Obama came to power, very few under Bush) with the agreement of the ****stani government. Dig a bit deeper and you'll find that many of those "terrorists" killed were civilians including children killed in attacks on villages in NW ****stan. People in a large area live in terror of drone attacks and some have sworn revenge.
Barbarism provoking more barbarism. This really doesn't have a lot to do with religion but a lot to do with politics.
The ability to do this sends a signal to the ****stani military and the world as a whole.
I just sincerely hope that when the ****stani military conduct their next operations they do not extract revenge by targeting the innocents otherwise we will simply get a 'legitimate' chain reaction.
Unfortunately the human race has a terrible propensity to force suffering and pain on their fellow humans.
Rest in peace.
I was coping quite well until I read the detail about burning the teacher in front of the children.
Now I wish I hadn't.
The rest of the day is going to be a bit difficult.
Whatever it has to do with, the indiscriminate taking of innocent lives -by whoever- cannot continue.
What kind of world do we live in when this kind of thing happens?
Awful.
Its a timely reminder that the Taliban haven't gone away. And that any pretence that they had is just wishful thinking. It exposes the obvious nonsense that the west in any way managed to make any lasting impact in that part of the world
Sadly, I think that it won't be the last we see of this kind of medieval barbarity. In fact, with ISIS and their beheadings, its as if its become a competition
I find it as inexplicable as I find it depressing that this islamofascist ideology had gained such a following around the globe. How on earth do you arrive at such a completely ****ed up place that this kind of thing is any way justifiable?
Nope, this IS different, it's one the most inhuman acts reported in my lifetime and whilst any act can only be carried out by individuals how many extremists does it take before the ideology to be considered Evil?
I find it interesting that a Taliban spokesman is quoted as saying something like "they are attacking our families and our women".
Are women not part of the family?
Safely we did not have to look too far back in our recent history where the supposed civilised nations deliberately targeted non-military populations in an attempt to make the other side capitulate. Arthur Harris...Little Boy....
It will never end unfortunately.
Now if you were the husband/father of a mother and her children killed by a rocket launched from a drone in NW ****stan what would you do?
The Americans and ****stani government tell us when they [url= http://www.dw.de/alleged-al-qaeda-leader-farooq-killed-by-drone-in-****stan/a-18114596?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf ]kill alleged "terrorists"[/url] but fail to report on the thousands of civilians killed in the drone attacks. I watched a German documentary about the victims of drone attacks - their fate was no better than the burned teacher.
No it isn't although it is massively repugnant and goes against everything that we would call decent. I think that using medical technology to detect when someone is almost drowned so you can do it again and again is inhuman, whatever the motivation.it's one the most inhuman acts reported in my lifetime
Well I've been under the impression that this particular ideology is evil well before this event.
Now if you were the husband/father of a mother and her children killed by a rocket launched from a drone in NW ****stan what would you do?
Well I tell you what I wouldn't do....and thats burst into a school with my mates and slaughter a bunch of innocent kids.
Anyone that can read what is clearly an act of politically power-inspired terrorism and make an immediate leap to "all religion is evil" lives in a very simple place.
Its the kind of barbarism that occurred even in Europe in the last 20 years. No idea how you stop it, beyond hoping the next generation is educated and tolerant enough to not repeat it.
echoes of Beslan 🙁
was watching an Adam Curtis doc recently about the rise of the jihadists in north africa in the 60s/70s. He mentioned how the groups seemed to think that if/when they were brutal enough, people would see the error of their ways and join them in support. Eventually they started attacking civilians. Unsurprisingly it didn't work, but that kind of logic is just beyond comprehension to me 😕
[url= http://www.livingunderdrones.org/ ]Hundreds rather than thousands of civilians killed, more is speculation as no reliable figures exist.[/url]
You adhere to values in the new testament rather than the old testament then, tpbiker. Turning the other cheek isn't for everyone. Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind. Eye for an eye... It's all in the good books of the main religions of all involved.
absolutely disgusted!!
these lowlife scumbag cowards are not human...they dont even class as sub-human...they're nothing but devils walking the earth carrying out their acts of despicable evil whilst hiding behind the context of religion....the only retribution for them is to catch them and brutally and slowly kill them
Said a Taliban spokesman after a drone strike / reading the CIA report. It's all escalating tit for tat.
The last thing this confict needs is more martyrs on either side.
I hope this is the beginning of the end of the Talib.
However, I think there are still worst to come.
gonzy - Member
...the only retribution for them is to catch them and brutally and slowly kill them.
Ya, I like. Please spare some for the brazen bull?
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That has to be a troll, surely?
not a troll...just how i feel right now....i'm not saying its the right thing to do but it was an emotional response to the tragedy that has taken place
thisisnotaspoon +1
[i]The rest of the day is going to be a bit difficult.[/i]
Its a terrible terrible atrocity, killing children, burning people alive, it can never by justified no matter who does it.
But you're going to have a difficult day because of it? Really, it affects you to that extent?
As a species we haven't come as far as we would like to think.
The Rape of Nanking?
The rise and brutality of communism?
Belsen?
Hiroshima / Nagasaki?
Srebrenica?
9/11?
All atrocities carried out by humankind against itself and all involving the massacre of innocents. Advocating nuclear strikes and torture of the perpetrators will achieve absolutely nothing.
As long as one man thinks he has a right to kill another then nothing will change.
I swtiched the TV news report off when a reporter asked a doctor in the local hospital the question: "What are the injuries like?" WTF?
Stanhope nails it as always
"A national day of prayer"? Does that scare the spine out of anyone? Especially when you consider that it's all those dog-shit religions that start these wars to begin with. Ninety percent of every war that's ever been fought is because of some made-up, mind control, completely fictional religion.You never hear in the news, "200 killed today when Atheist rebels took heavy shelling from the Agnostic stronghold in the north".
No, it's because you got a silly, placebo religion cuz you don't want to admit that you don't know
As pointed out though, this has very little to do with actual religion. And everything to do with power and control through fear. Any religious element is purely incidental
These people are all deeply religious on both sides. What I don't get is why Allah doesn't step in and let everyone get along.
Oh wait....
Coyote - Member
Advocating [b][u]nuclear strikes[/u][/b] and torture of the perpetrators will achieve absolutely nothing.
Yes, a nuclear strike will achieve something. (but you [u]cannot [/u]use it now because there is no such thing as Talib country where they congregate in one area)
Do you want to live in Chernobyl? See the place is regenerating itself again slowly. Animal roaming the place again without a single human being in sight. Perhaps several hundred / thousand years later human will go back there again but in the meantime. The place is at peace.
Sometimes you just have to eradicate the core. No if or but. The apple is rotten and it must be used as fertiliser.
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The last few paragraphs in this piece provide some informed speculation on the politics of the region
Edit: [url= http://www.dw.de/****stan-border-attack-shows-islamists-strength/a-18036747 ]DW article[/url]
I would remind Chewkw that ****stan has nuclear weapons.
Sometimes you just have to eradicate the core. No if or but. The apple is rotten and it must be used as fertiliser.
In the process wiping out innocent civilians and radicalising the next wave.
Again, as long as one man thinks he has a [b][u]right[/b][/u] to kill another then nothing will change.
Drone strikes and torture certainly don't help the West's cause. The report on the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques is a real eye opener. Some of those GITMO detainees are never getting out, as they've seen too much. Shaker Aamer will probably have a tragic accident.
Edukator - TrollI would remind Chewkw that ****stan has nuclear weapons.
Not ****stan, the Talib.
The Talib is in ****stan so you cannot nuke them/****stan (you can but they are not the target) but rather let the ****stani people wake up to their own reality.
Coyote - MemberIn the process wiping out innocent civilians and radicalising the next wave.
Again, as long as one man thinks he has a right to kill another then nothing will change.
No one left to radicalise because they/we are all dead. 🙄
Of course things will never change much because that is human nature to dominate. 🙄
Drone strikes and torture certainly don't help the West's cause.
Indeed. Its hard to take the moral high ground when you're kidnapping people, imprisoning them without trial, pulling their toe-nails out, electrocuting, then waterboarding them.
At least, due to the way their political system functions, the Americans now know what the government was doing in their name. Which might stop any repeat performances. I suspect we'll never find out what was being done in ours. Still.... Merry Christmas eh?
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The apple is rotten and it must be used as fertiliser.
A cynic might say the only reason we don't take that approach in the Middle East is because we need to maintain access to the oil.
the Americans now know what the government was doing in their name
and they're probably quite content with that.
We've done worse, many times. This is awful for sure but I'm not going to wring my hands about it.
Still it's selling adverts, so that's a plus.
Just one observation. The Taliban themselves say they are doing this out of pure faith, why doesn't anyone actually accept this is true? No one seems happy to accept this is religiously driven action even though the people doing it swear blind it is.
To be fair this was a long time coming, seeing as the ****stanis and ISI have been playing a treacherous double game with us and the Taliban for the past decade. Maybe this will make the idiots wake up and smell the coffee.
Still awful though.
Just one observation. The Taliban themselves say they are doing this out of pure faith, why doesn't anyone actually accept this is true? No one seems happy to accept this is religiously driven action even though the people doing it swear blind it is.
Its on page one of the Totalitarian's Guide:
The thing is... if you indulge in psychotic barbarity, to assert your own personal power through fear, then you're just a nutter. Saying you're doing it some divine mission from God, and you're a prophet/visionary/martyr
See also: Tony Balir
No one left to radicalise because they/we are all dead.
Neighbouring country? Allies? Families abroad? As long as we think we ave a right to kill we will continue to do so.
But you're going to have a difficult day because of it? Really, it affects you to that extent?
Do you have an imagination?
slowoldman - Member
The apple is rotten and it must be used as fertiliser.
A cynic might say the only reason we don't take that approach in the Middle East is because we need to maintain access to the oil.
Yes. Perhaps also their cash.
The world has no choice because we need their oil to move our vehicles.
Tom_W1987 - MemberTo be fair this was a long time coming, seeing as the ****stanis and ISI have been playing a treacherous double game with us and the Taliban for the past decade. Maybe this will make the idiots wake up and smell the coffee.
The demon/satan/devil has now started to consume their children and if the beasts are not stopped now one day they will get hold of the nuke facility and that will be the end of their nation.
Yes, all the nuke weapons in the world will aim at them. How many nuke do they have I hear? How many others have?
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Do you have an imagination?
Some people just know what to expect from humans/the universe in general and aren't surprised by it/hardened to it.
Humour is a good antidote when you get to that stage.
finding humour in tragedy is often seen as a good old British coping mechanism, but perhaps if we did less of this, the stark reality of theses situations might make us stop and think about it rather than taking an ignorant or apathetic stance.
We've done worse, many times.
Well personally I've never been into a school, shot some kids and burnt somebody alive, just to teach somebody else a lesson.
This is a act of terrorism in the purest sense - in that is object is to spread terror.
I'm shocked at the number of people on this thread that seem to condone terrorism.
I'm at best ambivalent about this. I've seen thousands of people die in other countries over the last 35 years on the news and in the papers. I've seen and read about millions more dying through war, famine, disaster and I don't know what else. I'm fed images and stories daily that would make a sane person puke and they don't even register. I don't know these children and although it saddens me when I hear things like this I'm more confused about why these children dying are more newsworthy than the thousands who starved to death somewhere else today.
It's all bollocks, just propaganda to make me hate people I don't know for reasons I can't understand but probably to do with money. It's a sorry state of affairs that's for bloody sure.
And although I may not have personally done murder, I've had it done in my name and I did nothing about it, wringing my hands now about some atrocity seems a bit mawkish.
somewhatslightlydazed - Member
I'm shocked at the number of people on this thread that seem to condone terrorism.
I don't condone terrorism but merely a logical steps to deal with the immediate problem. You think too much.
However, I do want to become an absolute dictator of the world with absolute power that is unquestionable. If I am one the world will be at peace. 😯
Still not regretting my decision to not introduce more life onto this foul planet.
Argue all you want people, see if it escalates and you all end up threatening each others kids.
[i]Do you have an imagination? [/i]
Yes but I've got other stuff to do rather than sitting wringing my hands and struggling to get through the day because of a terrorist atrocity.
Yep its appalling but I'm still able to function normally. Maybe its just me but I really don't think many people on this thread will struggle to get through the day after reading the news story on this.
Oh.
toby its a wonderful planet. Unfortunately there will always be a complete spectrum of good all the way to evil on it. The greatest pleasures I've experienced so far (apart from doing the do 😉 ) have been introducing my offspring to all the amazing things that life can offer.
You adhere to values in the new testament rather than the old testament then, tpbiker. Turning the other cheek isn't for everyone. Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind. Eye for an eye... It's all in the good books of the main religions of all involved.
So what wind did the 80 dead children sow to deserve this then?
I adhere to the values of not being a total twunt and butchering kids for no other reason than revenge. I don't need a book to tell me that.
I'm frankly astonished you appear to be trying to justifying it.
Now if you were the husband/father of a mother and her children killed by a rocket launched from a drone in NW ****stan what would you do?
Dunno, hopefully wouldn't machine gun a school though
So what wind did the 80 dead children sow to deserve this then?I adhere to the values of not being a total twunt and butchering kids for no other reason than revenge. I don't need a book to tell me that.
I'm frankly astonished you appear to be trying to justifying it.
Sorry but that's a bullshit point of view, formed from your cosy safe brick house, in your peaceful street, surrounded by luxury and with the biggest danger in your life perhaps your daily commute..
If you'd faced years and years of brutality and barbarism, watching generations of your friends and family blown to smithereens, reduced to steaming lumps of meat and gristle by your neighbouring tribe, or the next country, or an occupying force from a land thousands of miles away, or by bloody hell fire raining down from above, I'm sure your view on right and wrong might be slightly less warm milk and radio 4 afternoon play
I dunno if I'm trying to justify what happened, but I am a bit sickened that we can sit here in our safe little cotton wool wrapped lives passing judgement on people who have endured decades no, centuries of violent military persecution
Not sure if that is justification from seeing it from their point of view though.
****ed up is ****ed up is ****ed up.
This has gone way beyond religion. It's ideology.
Its beyond ideology. And terrorism. Its fascism. Pure and simple.
The root is religion. They're all forms of societal conditioning.
I am a bit sickened that we can sit here in our safe little cotton wool wrapped lives passing judgement on people who have endured decades no, centuries of violent military persecution
you've got a point, but we're helpless to do anything about what has gone on in the past and what goes on "in our name" as someone else put it.
what seems different here and elsewhere is that these are individual acts of barbarism incited by religious leaders in the name of an invented deity, as opposed to the responsive acts of nations led by those who have the interests of the people at their core, admittedly with prosperity being another obvious interest.
@yunki most people know how lucky they are and can probably imagine given different circumstances what they could/would do if threatened, but I don't think you can compare bombing of cites in war to the specific targeting and cruel killing of kids in a school, that's the act of an evil ideology not someone trying to protect themselves.
the root isn't religion
the root is evil - some people are evil
Some people are evil sometimes, some people are evil often.
If there were no 'religion', people would still commit terrible acts towards fellow humans.
If there were no 'religion', people would still commit acts of kindness towards fellow humans
it's in each of us to decide which path to take in every step we take. Sometimes we do right, sometimes we do wrong. Sometimes we do wrong to such an extent that there is no turning back.
If that happens I honestly believe there is justification for killing. The people who committed this act should be put down for the good of humanity.
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