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Do you get the feeling that this year has been a little more than just "freak weather"?
California, Greece, Italy Turkey on fire.
Germany, China, Nepal, India suffering massive rainfall and landslides.
Crazy powerful hail storms both here in Munich and Italy.
My sister in Essex has mentioned that they've had lots of lightening and thunderstorms. I remember as a kid lightening storms were not that common.
The weather here in Munich has been crap. Rain. Lots of it. The river is in danger of topping its banks for the third time this "summer". Can be expected in spring with the snow melt, but this year that was nonexistent.
I've put the heating on, FFS.... 18°C today. It's August!
Are we just going to collectively shrug and carry on with life or are we going to see governments making changes?
Do you get the feeling anything we do now is not only too little, but too late?
Why the f*** are you putting the heating on at 18C? That's part of the problem! Just put a jumper on.
Do you get the feeling that this year has been a little more than just “freak weather”?
Yes, it is climate change. And no getting people to drive electric vehicles in 10 years time and still commissioning fossil fuel projects is not going to cut it. It can only go one way now and that is worse by the year.
now is not only too little, but too late?
Y'think?
Haha.... I've got a jumper on. Ground floor flat, zero insulation beneath us, nothing in the walls, all three of which are external walls.
We need to dramatically reduce the earth's population. Shame these Corona conspiracies are a load of BS eh?
I really fear for my boy's future TBH. :-/
As long as the world keep consuming as it does (especially the meat industry) we better get used to floods, fires, freak weather etc.
I am doing my bit, as many are, but there are more people not..... so i cant see much changing. Its very frustrating and i worry for my kids and their kids.
You've read the Transporter thread. And presumably that big SUV Climate Crisis thread. People don't give shit. They are completely determined to keep living over indulgent lifestyles and not compromise one iota for the good of the planet.
"We'll I MUST own an SUV because I go to the dump once every six months". Oh, right, fine. I'll just look forward to living in the Scottish Sahara when I'm in my eighties.
I was just thinking the same but on a smaller scale about our local weather. It's been quite varied, a few scorching spells and in between rather wet. Yes I fear it's climate change related and extremes of weather will be more and more common
Ground floor flat, zero insulation beneath us, nothing in the walls, all three of which are external walls.
Is that allowed in Germany!?
My sister in Essex has mentioned that they’ve had lots of lightening and thunderstorms. I remember as a kid lightening storms were not that common.
I'm just over the border in Cambridge and I'd say we've had an average amount.
However, yes the climate is changing, as a kid 30+ days were just unheard of, now we seem to have at least a set every summer followed by monsoon like rain.
I suspect we needed to take action 20 years ago to have an impact in our lifetime, a bit like turning a ship, you need to plan ahead, but it wasn't a thing then.
a bit like turning a ship, you need to plan ahead, but it wasn’t a thing then.
People have been warning about it since the 1970s at least.
Are we just going to collectively shrug and carry on with life or are we going to see governments making changes?
Governments are going to continue making announcements and plans while actually doing **** all to address it in real world terms. Meanwhile the planet has more or less thrown the towel in - I reckon in 10-15 years time there'll be regular cataclysmic climate change events. Not just mildly inconvenient killing a few dozen people and flooding a few houses, it'll be multi thousands of directly attributable deaths each time.
Blabbing on about us all driving electric cars by 2040 - it won't be electric cars we need, it'll be Mad Max style vehicles.
18 degrees is t-shirt weather
I really fear for my boy’s future
I'm bloody glad I I've not got kids.
Friends of ours have had their third kid and now bought a Q7..... WTF!?
@grum.... The house we live in was built around 1900. It's under "Denkmalschutz", i.e. a protected building. A charming place to look at, an expensive one to heat.
18 degrees is t-shirt weather
Agreed, however, it's raining cats and dogs. About 16°C inside my gaff.
Generally accepted that we missed the environmental "change" point during the 1970s, this is not discussed in the press as many feel the general population will go " **** it might as well crack on and have fun"
Probably 50 years late..
The only reason Boris is pushing his climate change agenda is because his next shag depends on it.
One thing I imagine will happen also is just that the general quality of infrastructure/public services will decline quite dramatically because of the increased costs involved in repair and maintenance etc.
For example we barely manage to keep many roads well surfaced now, but with repeated rounds of heavy flooding and extreme heat....
Whitestone +1
Munrobiker +1
We’re past the tipping point now, the Amazon producing more CO2 than it takes in, vast swathes of permafrost in the Arctic circle thawing out and releasing huge amounts of CO2 and methane; there’s no turning back from that now.
We’re fudged and it’s all our fault and yet we’re still unwilling to change our way of life. Extreme weather events are going to be more frequent, North Africa and Southern Europe will become inhabitable in my life time, imagine the gammons anger as people escaping try and move to our shores.
Anyone wanting children now really need to have a think about the world you’re choosing to bring them in to
Southampton has been so wet compared to a normal summer, besides that nuts week in mid July of 30C+ days and 22C+ at bedtime.
Certainly seems to have been some crazy weather events globally too.
The end of the world is nigh.
Why the f*** are you putting the heating on at 18C? That’s part of the problem! Just put a jumper on.
Exactly what I was about to say!!! I have my maximum heating temperature set to that in winter!
an expensive one to heat.
I bet it is if you switch your heating on when it is 18deg outside.
We need to dramatically reduce the earth’s population. Shame these Corona conspiracies are a load of BS eh?
I really fear for my boy’s future TBH. :-/
Don't do anything too rash Grum.
Thus is pretty scary... If the gulf stream switches off then we(as in humanity) are royally ****ed
Not sure you can blame climate change largely on the meat industry....
Its pretty much irrelevant what the individual does when big corporations continue as normal.
FFS.... 😁
have my maximum heating temperature set to that in winter!
Same! And it's come on because it's cold! Oh, and it only comes on from 8-9 and 16-20....
I really fear for my boy’s future TBH. :-/
There's no way I'd be having children now if I was younger and I really hope never to be a grandparent.
It wasn't a deliberate decision tbh we were using contraception and found out very late!
And yet the solution is very simple:
- leave fossil fuels in the ground
- eliminate livestock farming
- rewild
None of these are happening when it should have started 20 years ago. Instead we find new ways to waste renewably generated energy like bitcoin mining. There’s a reason the billionaires are buggering off to New Zealand.
Anyone wanting children now really need to have a think about the world you’re choosing to bring them in to
Yeah, to the older generations: thanks for that... It's just great having that kind of conundrum forced on you through the inaction and selfish voting intentions of those before you.
Are we just going to collectively shrug and carry on with life or are we going to see governments making changes?
There was a spokesman for the oil and gas industry on radio 4 this morning who literally said 'we are helping the transition to a carbon free energy policy by opening up more oilfields for drilling'
Seriously... WTF?!!
Someone posted a Yes (Prime) Minister clip in another thread yesterday, and it made me think of this... and how it relates to "our" response to the "challenges" of climate change...
when big corporations continue as normal
Which will be the case certainly as long as there's a Conservative government. Which, at this rate, will be for a long time. And it'll keep people spouting out this trope and living by it-
Its pretty much irrelevant what the individual does
To add to the terror of that article Olddog posted, if warming continues we will cross the point where ocean acidification caused by industrialisation destroys the largest CO2 sink we have on the planet (the oceans), dumping vast amounts of CO2 relatively quickly. When that happens it really will be catastrophic.
There’s a reason the billionaires are buggering off to New Zealand.
What's that then Daz?
Same! And it’s come on because it’s cold!
You said in the OP that you put the heating on because it was 18deg which suggests you wanted it to be *warmer* than 18deg which is a perfectly comfortable temperature.
I really fear for my boy’s future TBH. :-/
My kids should be OK - youngest is such a huge fan of dystopian young adult fiction that she's pretty well sorted even if it goes wrong.
Grandchildren will live in a very different world, one way or the other. I'm concerned rather than despairing, that could also go either way.
As for the weather - been a much more normal summer in the Midlands, wetter and cooler than recent years. As a kid I remember regularly being woken up by summer thunderstorms, not had that for many years now.
But if the glitch in the jetstream had been a couple of hundred miles in either direction it would have been a very different summer.
Judging by the forecast, the biblical rain we had overnight is to continue for pretty much the entire weekend. Similar weather last year led to some drainage issues. The guy we had in to fix the drains said he'd been seeing more and more of these issues over the last 20+ years he's been in the business - old drainage systems that can't cope with the increasingly frequent drought/flood cycle.
Even in the face of overwhelming evidence that we need to drastically change our behaviour, we aren't. We've ****ed it.
And here's me considering buying a marginally more efficient car for my meagre miles. Like it will make any difference when the next guy is driving a 4l monster truck to the shops.
humans are not very good at acting on predictions, we just can't be told i plain language what will happen, we need to conceptualise it - why storytelling is important culturally in teaching.
however, one persons truth isn't the others and it seems that if you once believe one truth, which proves false, it's difficult to completely change your mind.
(see this for an example https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/why-facts-dont-change-our-minds)
we're faced with wildfires, flooding, extreme weather events and, as a society we're only just joining the dots, despite being told for decades, this will happen and will only get worse.
We're looking at a shifting gulf stream, ( https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/05/climate-crisis-scientists-spot-warning-signs-of-gulf-stream-collapse) we've known this would happen, but couldn't pin an accurate timescale on it, so it was a problem that may happen later...
we're on target for societal collapse. ( https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/mit-1972-prediction-societal-collapse-b1884673.html)
If you look at the exponential advancements of technology and our understanding of manipulation of the 'elements' it's probably not a surprise that, while we thought we'd rule the universe, we forgot that we're only taking from one place.
anyway, maybe I'm getting a bit patchwork caravan.
but that may also be part of the problem.
My daughter, when she was 19, decided that she was not going to bring a child into this world, as there wouldn't be anything but struggle left. She herself has wondered what will be left for her, which has put her in some pretty dark places. Many of her friends think similarly. She knows where to look for blame, her parents and grandparents.
I am to blame, I wonder what small changes I make can make any difference. Reducing meat consumption, reducing power consumption, doing what I can* in the hope that others do similar, then being reminded that, certainly in the UK, the vocal bunch don't care about anything other than themselves and their societal success. mostly money - consumerism, being those that have, rather than those that 'don't have' (or perhaps don't need)
so where do we look to change things? campaign governments to change things and potentially lose half their votes when they are driven by self success and not altruism, surely a government is set to represent the people, an that in itself is an altruistic promise?
TLDR: most of us are screwed in the next 50 years. no one can stop it.
*very much not enough, why Im part of the problem
Like it will make any difference when the next guy is driving a 4l monster truck to the shops.
Don't let it stop you though, even the smallest change is a step in the right direction, apathy is not.
Even in the face of overwhelming evidence that we need to drastically change our behaviour, we aren’t. We’ve ****ed it.
Near where my Mum lives, a Low Traffic Neighbourhood has been put in. OMG, the absolute cries of distress that it's now not possible to drive the SUV 500m to drop Tarquin and Jemima off at the school gates. Council accused of acting like a Communist state (and worse), wild "data" being produced from the anti- groups to show that life is no longer worth living and vast amounts of wahtaboutery with "well woodburners are worse for pollution so we should all agree to stop using them so we can keep driving" plus the usual stuff about how they "need" their SUV for the 1 snowy day a year in London.
Complete unwillingness to do anything that might make the area just a little bit more pleasant and less traffic-clogged.
The solution to population growth is education and contraception. But it's in the low carbon producing parts of the world where the biggest growth is happening. In the west the birth rate is below the level to maintain population levels and it's immigration that actually stops pops falling.
To blame population growth is another way that the west uses the divert the blame which squarely sits with industrialised nations
We need to dramatically reduce the earth’s population.
In recent years that fantasy seems to be indulged in the West by outsourcing/offshoring our consumerism and pollution so that we can do luxurious things such as enjoy the more violent and distant depopulating climate-change events on widescreen TV. Buy one for £50 from FB Marketplace. Buy two, they’ll provide background heat in the room. You may never require a jumper again.
As some worried old Brit said to me recently: “If poor countries go underwater then they’ll be wanting to come here won’t they? That’s when the problems start…”
In terms of solution it can only be driven through government action, regulation, taxation, prohibition
None of which is particularly popular with voters. So the other key part of the solution is coordinated education
Green tech and carbon reduction will be part of the solution. But ultimately I think there will need to be levelling down for industrialised economies.
I'm not sure there is the political will to follow this through. I hope I'm wrong
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Full MemberThere’s a reason the billionaires are buggering off to New Zealand.
What’s that then Daz?
A country off the east coast of Australia but that’s not important right now
Always good to have plans to not be around when it really kicks off. I certainly wouldn't want to having children now. We've been steering into this with our foot to the floor, eyes closed, since the industrial revolution. Nice one, humans.
What’s that then Daz?
And here’s me considering buying a marginally more efficient car for my meagre miles. Like it will make any difference when the next guy is driving a 4l monster truck to the shops.
+1. I’ve been grocery shopping/commuting/local trips by bicycle since 1984. I know by counting the other bikes locked outside at the supermarkets (normally 0-1) that I am making statistically zero difference as there are 100s of cars, vans and pickups vs 1 or 2 bicycles.
I still prefer to cycle for a number of reasons, but I don’t kid myself that I’m making a difference to the climate. Maybe for convenience of others ie ‘one less car on the road’. This makes the queue at the traffic lights slightly shorter for drivers on my route,
I am doing my bit, as many are, but there are more people not….. so i cant see much changing. Its very frustrating and i worry for my kids and their kids.
Just feels pointless doing the small things when other people/companies/countries aren't tackling bigger contributions (or making things worse), and the population keeps increasing. Even more so for bigger inconveniences and things that reduce quality of life, like cycling in the rain or spending more by choosing green things.
And if we thought CO2 was a problem that's hard to solve, it seems we're doubling down. 🙄
I really can't emphasise this enough, and it's not meant to be a guilt trip, but if you're at all interested or worried about climate change, you need to stop eating meat and dairy products. It's pretty much the only individual act you can do which will have a real impact.
Has the massive overuse of personal motor vehicles not been mentioned yet?
I've had a driving licence since '91 and I've owned a car for ~9 years since of the following 30 years, not had one for the last ten years. Simply not needed for my typical day to day lifestyle, work is less than five miles away and food stores are less than 0.5 miles away.
It feels positively cringeworthy thinking back to ridiculous journeys such as in ~'98 driving less than two miles each way to play snooker and ~5 miles each way to go to work '04 to '12.
Not buying a new TV every year will have a far bigger impact on CO2 emissions than not eating burgers, especially if you are careful about where you source the meat.
If you're at all interested in climate change (and the environmental destruction caused by mineral extraction and processing), one of the single best things you can do is stop buying imported electronic goods.
one of the single best things you can do is stop buying imported electronic goods
And buy them from the home based manufacturers instead?
Not buying a new TV every year
My tv is 10 years old thanks. It's not an either/or decision, you need to do it all. And stop/minimise flying while you're at it 🙂
things that reduce quality of life, like cycling in the rain or spending more by choosing green things.
I like both of those things though. (Cycling in rain sometimes, spending more on better things and consuming less of wasteful/unethical things)
I understand that not everyone does, but it’s not a foregone conclusion that ‘quality of life’ is measured by convenience and consumption (quantity over quality)
To blame population growth is another way that the west uses the divert the blame which squarely sits with industrialised nations
Everywhere I've seen this idea, it's been with the subext that we in the West need to have less children. As this is already true (we are not having enough kids to replace ourselves), and if it is a real concern, then surely we also need to stop immigration, so we will actually achieve population decline?
Saying that, I think that global population growth is an issue, as it is quite clearly unsustainable. I'm also not absolving the lifestyles of Western countries, as that is clearly unsustainable too.
What’s that then Daz?
Yeah- nothing to do with climate change, but the (relative) isolation and emptiness, conservative outlook, and ease of obtaining citizenship. As far as climate change activism goes, the country is decades behind the Uk. Every time I go back, I'm shocked by the "we're ok jack" attitude.
And buy them from the home based manufacturers instead?
Well, our power grid is much more "decarburised" than any of the places that manufacture all of the crap we used, so if we hadn't killed off our manufacuring industry, then that would be a great solution.
As it is, as I see it, if you are concerned about an immediate reduction in CO2, you can't have new TVs, computers, fancy mobile phones, etc. The energy required to manufacturethem, and largely powered by coal, is enormous. It takes the same energy to manufacture three laptops, as it did to manfacture an entire (admittedly tiny) car in the 1960's.
And yes, I avoid buying electronics if at all possible, I cycle as much as possible, and my thermostat is set low. I also eat carefully-sourced meat (that doesn't have to mean expensive - cheaper cuts of meat exist for a reason!), and own two petrol cars that I intend to hang on to for as long as possible.
There’s a reason the billionaires are buggering off to New Zealand.
What’s that then Daz?
Some place in the back of beyond where it's always raining.
Like Scotland, but without the volcanoes.
I will keep coming back to this thread periodically to say that Government action is required ( and without it we are doomed) - education, regulation, taxation and prohibition.
Pushing the responsibilities onto individual people's actions is a way of diverting blame and avoiding action by politicians who don't want to do unpopular stuff
The most environmentally positive thing an individual can do is agitate to government action and vote for parties which support a properly green agenda
Not buying a new TV every year will have a far bigger impact on CO2 emissions than not eating burgers, especially if you are careful about where you source the meat.
That doesnt really make sense as I’m sure I could make the reverse argument and still sound convincing.
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Not buying a McDonalds every day will have a far bigger impact on CO2 emissions than not buying widescreen TVs, especially if you buy used.
But let’s look at data:
The carbon footprint of electronics, including smartphones, is about 3.7% of global greenhouse emissions, around 14 ounces of carbon dioxide per person each year. Link
Total emissions from global livestock: 7.1 Gigatonnes of Co2-equiv per year, representing 14.5 percent of all anthropogenic GHG emissions. Link
(Your argument may vary)
If someone throws a can out of a car window they are scum, people who go on long haul holidays a few times a year are that lovely middle class family from next door.
Consumption is the cause of the problem, without consumption we have war and famine, we are f*****.
I don't waste time fooling myself by buying an Electric car or some other Eco this that and the other total bollocks.
The oil giants have to find new customers now petrol is under threat and plastic production is set to increase to plug that gap.
But then, if everyone did that, then there would be less new stuff being made, and no jobs.
If some hypothetical economy based on producing high-quality, repairable goods can't keep everyone in a job, then we are kinda doomed.
Like Scotland, but without the volcanoes.
The difficulty with being a smart arse is that you have to have a few smarts, and proof read what you've written otherwise you end up just looking an arse, and a fool to boot.
who buys a new TV every year?
The biggest contributor to global warming/climate change is meat. the Billions of animals that are bread and slaughtered each year so people can have a sandwich/dinner/snacks.
If you dont believe this, then unfortunately your head is in the sand. I find it hard that people sit there worrying about climate change whilst tucking into a burger.....
But then, if everyone did that, then there would be less new stuff being made, and no jobs.
But people don’t. And neither do people source (sic) ‘lower-emissions’ livestock (or eat less meat) every day. My point is that the hard data and the trends are really the be all and end all of the argument?
3.7% is still not greater than 14.5%, so…?
But then, if everyone did that, then there would be less new stuff being made, and no jobs.
That's why we need to move to an economy which provides the basic needs for everyone sustainably and remove the need for people to work to survive. The main mechanism for doing that is a UBI and to stop measuring the health of the economy with year on year growth.
And yes, I avoid buying electronics if at all possible, I cycle as much as possible, and my thermostat is set low.
And for folk who can't cycle, or will die if they don't heat their homes? (the elderly) what happens to them? I seem to recall we had this same discussion a while back, and you didn't answer that question then either. making piecemeal "individual" changes has bugger all effect in the grand scheme of things.
Flying needs to stop, the way we produce food needs a radical re-think, we need to stop digging fossil fuel out the ground. these are the things that will change our world, and they need to be done at governmental level. We're being gas-lit by the fossil fuel industry that our behavior is to blame.
Selfishly I've got two young kids from my own ball bag.
I worry about the future for them.
I'll certainly be telling them not to have kids on the basis that the world is becoming a terrifying place to live and if so then maybe adopt??? Always a spare kid needing a home.
Greed and consumerism. Adverts telling us what we need. Pcp car deals so a new one is shuffled in every 3 years, ooohh its electric sk very environmental friendly, except every single part is carbon negative, paint, pladtics, leather, steel, lithium. All produced, shipped tens of thousands of miles, re assembled, shipped ahain in container ship tjat does 1mtr to the gallon.
New, new, new, buy buy bug. Spending a day shopping. We all do it and its killing the planet
I'm starting to think climate change is less of an issue than the drop in biodiversity and mass extinction is more of a concern for the future. The size of the human population isn't as big a part of the problem as consumerism. A few million people living the lifestyle of a Russian oligarch far outweigh a few billion living in a substance economy.
The government has carbon targets, but no credible plan on how to achieve them. Swapping out gas boilers for heat pumps just isn't practical for the vast proportion of the UK housing stock. Building energy efficient housing in the first place is a far better solution. The same goes for electric cars. Decent public transport, car sharing schemes and remote working all could reduce the number of cars on the road.
I’m starting to think climate change is less of an issue than the drop in biodiversity and mass extinction is more of a concern for the future.
Which is why rewilding needs to be one the main components of the solution. If we got rid of livestock farming there'd be plenty of land to re-wild to support the regeneration of biodiversity. It also has the major benefit of absorbing a lot of carbon.
https://www.rewildingbritain.org.uk/blog/new-report-how-restoring-nature-can-help-decarbonise-the-uk
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rstb.2017.0440
Flying needs to stop, the way we produce food needs a radical re-think, we need to stop digging fossil fuel out the ground. these are the things that will change our world, and they need to be done at governmental level. We’re being gas-lit by the fossil fuel industry that our behavior is to blame.
Given how much stuff is moved around the planet by shipping and aviation on a daily basis, that's not going to happen anytime soon. We've created a catch-22 for ourselves. We can't make X here, we import it from there. They can't make Y over there so we export it from here.
I mean, there are some massively ridiculous situations where food gets flown half way around the world for processing and then flown back again which might be easier to address in the short term but then you have to build and power a processing plant - which takes up more green space and puts out a shedload of pollutants in its construction.
People get fixated on percentages here and tiny little details like TVs and burgers and it all turns into a slanging match - well you bought a 60" TV so you can't lecture me about driving to the gym - the reality is that the pollution situation (and that's everything: emissions, plastics, water) needs a Covid-style lockdown to even come close to addressing it.
But then the entire global economy stops. And we've built the entire global economy on fossil fuels. Circular argument where you end up asking people to turn the lights off or pop the heating down a notch. And we've seen what happens when you ask people to do things, they just turn on others and say "well, you first".
the problem with this thread, all other threads about this subject, and all discussions with armchair experts (i.e. pretty much everyone), is that it just turns into a willy waving, virtue signalling farce.
put simply, we all need to do more, regardless of what we're already doing. what others are doing is simply not relevant to that. what can be achieved is different for everyone, but again, that's not important. focus on what you can do. otherwise, its a bit overwhelming and the conclusion becomes "what's the point?".
please do all you can. drive less, fly less, eat less meat, waste less stuff. whatever. and don't bother criticizing other individuals, its not productive - either educate, or ignore. criticize governments and businesses instead.
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If my link works, this is a graph of who creates the largest % of (lifestyle) carbon emmissions. The richest 10% of the worlds population produces 49% (that is people who earn over £65k per year).
The richest 20% of the worlds population produces 68% of emmissions. That is people who earn over £26k per year, which I bet is the vast majority of people on Singletrack world...
But, you know, it is 'other people's problem'.
Business as usual on here though
- what is the best carbon handlebar to replace my existing bar,
- what is the best lease car? It has to be petrol or diesel because one day I might want to drive to Greece.
- why should I spend money on solar panels when they take so long to repay the investment, and how much money will I make (not what benefit will they create to all)
- I already have a road bike, enduro bike, trail bike, bmx and pub bike. What is the best gravel bike I can buy?
Climate change is other people's problem. Isn't it?........
I like both of those things though. (Cycling in rain sometimes, spending more on better things and consuming less of wasteful/unethical things)
Cycling in the rain is good when it's moderate rain, I do it by choice, and I'm coming home for a shower and dry-off after. It's a chore when it's to work. I agree with spending more on better things, I like to "buy for life" for many non-consumable items (fortunate that I'm able to), and avoid waste/evil.
I understand that not everyone does, but it’s not a foregone conclusion that ‘quality of life’ is measured by convenience and consumption (quantity over quality)
True, I didn't make my point very well or provide good examples. I mentioned inconveniences but it's not really about that. There are eco-friendly choices I could make that would really reduce my enjoyment of life - go for a ride on the river path rather than driving 30 mins to the woods, ride in that woods rather than drive 1.5 hours to a bike park, go for a hike around local footpaths rather than head to the national park, go to the national park by bus/train rather than drive (thus dramatically worsening the travel:hiking time ratio), visit my parents and relatives less often, move out of the city (thus losing the job I need to have a chance at ever owning a house). I think that last example is significant - all the previous would be mostly solved by living near places I want to go, unfortunately there are too many of us so we can't all live in the lake district or the highlands.
please do all you can. drive less, fly less, eat less meat, waste less stuff
and eat less rice
I’m starting to think climate change is less of an issue than the drop in biodiversity and mass extinction is more of a concern for the future.
Both are an issue. The biggest issues.
Unfortunately the current trend is to either deny, downplay or quote-mine dead comedians about ‘the planet will be just fine’.
Everywhere I’ve seen this idea, it’s been with the subext that we in the West need to have less children.
Interesting. Whenever I've "seen this idea" it is very much aimed at countries later in their development cycle (and with lower carbon use per a head).
But let’s look at data:
The carbon footprint of electronics, including smartphones, is about 3.7% of global greenhouse emissions, around 14 ounces of carbon dioxide per person each year. Link
Total emissions from global livestock: 7.1 Gigatonnes of Co2-equiv per year, representing 14.5 percent of all anthropogenic GHG emissions. Link
The measurements of animal-emitted CO2 is dominated by the US-style of cattle raising, with truly enormous amounts of cattle kept in barren fields and intensively fed imported foodstock (and water). That number itself is dominated by methane emissions, which are a little tricky to quantify (yes, I'm aware of experiments where cows are kept in sealed boxes and methane measured over some period of time), and a direct result of the cow's diet.
Grass-fed, local meat (which I appreciate is probably a practically un-attainable ideal at this point) has none of those issues, and does not necessarily need to be beef or pork.
Intensive meat farming is unsustainable in many other ways - not least the water shortages in the parts of the US that happen to do this, and the terrible environmental destruction wrought in places that grow the feed (primarily, ex-rainforest). Not only that, the resulting food products are awful for people's health. I suppose I can get on board with the mandated reduction in meat production, as long as it results in fast-food outlets offering processed plant slop insteat of processed meat slop, and I can keep doing what I'm doing.
I also have difficulty believing that 3.7% of gobal GHG emission per year, in the quoted case of "electronics", adds up to only 14oz per person. Maybe they are taking the sum total of CO2 emissions, and averging it out across every person on the planet?
Especially when the linked article also says that datacentre emissions alone are the same as the entire aviation industry. I wonder how many stored photos equals one flight to Europe?
A smarphone takes about 300kwh to manufacture, which is 100kg CO2e by itself (assuming a power grid with an energy mix similar to China). this is why I say - not buying a new smartphone, tablet, laptop, or whatever else, (or at least, delaying it as long as you can) is one of the single best things you can do to reduce CO2. Finding a way to stop contributing to the use of datacentres and other, external, power-hungry IT infrastructure (like the mobile network - a recent study in Finland showed that its mobile network used 1% of all power generated), is a little harder.