[Closed] Every household in the UK is to have pornography blocked...

I thought it was just pron featuring kids which is to be banned?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23401076

[i]pron featuring kids [/i]

I think you'll find that

a) child abuse is not 'pornography'

and

b) it's already illegal

?

Every household in the UK is to have pornography blocked by their internet provider unless they choose to receive it, David Cameron is to announce

Panic over.

New Broadband accounts only = Family filters on and only removed by request to the provider.

Simulated rape porn and porn suspected of containing <18yo made illegal digitally. Good thing too IMO.

From what I gather you can request not to have the blocking in place ("I'd like to see porn please").

I just think it's impossible to implement. Having been involved with a few blocking methods in my work, none of them actually block porn 100% and they all block stuff they shouldn't.
If this is to stop kids accessing the wrong stuff, they will always find a way round it if they want to; if it's to stop paedos, they definitely will find a way round it.

I think you'll find that

a) child abuse is not 'pornography'

and

b) it's already illegal

Sadly it's not blocked automatically and this is what they were initially pushing for but Cameron has brought down the ban hammer on all porn.

and will you choose to receive it ? probably be a register made of people that have registered which will be made public...

....looks into the future gonna be a lot more stressed people...

will it cause porn to go underground ?

Easy enough to opt in, but its another decision by the government that encourages lazy parenting. Parents should take responsibility and reasonable steps to monitor and stop their kids from finding or wanting to find porn, not rely on some ISP level filter.

Tbh, as soon as anyone starts mentioning 'child porn' in the same context as legal porn in the context of internet filtering I get very suspicious and doubt the motives.

Any Govt meddling with the internet is a Bad Thing. It will start with "Think of the children" and end with more and more search criteria falling into their definition of 'unacceptable'

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https://guardianproject.info/

Parents should take responsibility and reasonable steps to monitor and stop their kids from finding or wanting to find porn, not rely on some ISP level filter.

Well is that not what it's allowing? The parents to choose and make it easy to block it if the choose not to allow easy access, rather than having to learn how to do it with routers or software.

Can I still get The Kays Catalogue?

I think you'll find that

a) child abuse is not 'pornography'

and

b) it's already illegal

Well, it's often referred to as "kiddie porn" or child pornography. Not my words. Perhaps I could have chosen my words better though.
It may be illegal but it seems from the news and the amount of indecent images that get found on puters that it's available. I'm in favour of any measures that reduce the material available. Bit stupid lumping it in with the legal stuff though.

What is pron ?

Have a look at the local magazine shop and although the soft stuff is on the top shelf, you still get Zoo / Nuts which are not much different to the pron you would get back in my school days.

The cat is out of the bag now. There is no way you can stop it. Even in China they cant block the internet. Sure, they try, but they are loosing the race.

Can I still get The Kays Catalogue?

Retro****.

ONGOMGOMG!!!!!!!!Just seen on the news hundreds of cameras outside the royal hospital this must be stopped theres a rumour the baby will be born naked arrest them all everyone is a nonce. Turn your telly off quick or you will be too!!!!!

Too late....

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It's just another excuse for crap parents to avoid doing anything themselves to protect their children from inappropriate content and then blame the isp when their child still finds porn.

What's more worrying is the fact that it's being forced upon people regardless and it's down to the individual to opt out, not the other way around.

Have they changed their minds from just getting the ISPs to help them pretend they've introduced a new policy then?

"Without changing what you will be offering (ie active-choice +), the prime minister would like to be able to refer to your solutions [as] 'default-on'"

"Would you be able to commit to including 'default-on' or similar language both in the set-up screen and public messaging?"

Also, can we have a Daily Mail filter please?

What exactly constitutes a porn site and who defines it? The likes of tumblr and flickr arent primarily used for porn but there is alot of adult content on there - does that mean they will be blocked?

In any case child or rape porn is pretty easy to avoid - its not something people are going to stumble upon by accident and IMO there is more objectional content relating to sexualising children on websites like the daily mail than the average porn site.

Government - for when you're just too stupid to curb your own Internet surfing

Does that mean if kids want to see boobies they'll have to search along railway sidings looking for unblocked laptops and tablets?

I remember having to phone vodafone and ask them to unblock "restricted access" because it wouldnt let me look at the [url= http://www.hollandandholland.com/ ]Holland & Holland[/url] website.

Im probably on some double barrelled ( 😉 ) fetishist database somewhere now.

What exactly constitutes a porn site and who defines it? The likes of tumblr and flickr arent primarily used for porn but there is alot of adult content on there - does that mean they will be blocked?

Also, who defines rape porn? Seeing as it seems to be very hard to convict actual rape cases, isn't there going to be a massive grey area between obvious violent sadistic rape porn and 'mild coercion' or 'slightly reluctant' porn or whatever. And what about rape scenes in mainstream films/tv? Ok in context but then if a clip was taken out of the film and hosted on a porn site.....

I'm obviously not in favour of it but it seems a very tricky thing to try and police.

there is more objectional content relating to sexualising children on websites like the daily mail than the average porn site.

Its ironic they were behind the campaign, they are now claiming a victory (along side pictures of celebs and members of the public in bikinis).

Maybe its t direct more traffic at their "sidebar of shame"?

Well is that not what it's allowing? The parents to choose and make it easy to block it if the choose not to allow easy access, rather than having to learn how to do it with routers or software.

What it will do is let lazy parents assume their kids are safe from 'harmful content' when in reality it will take a lot more than a government mandated filter to stop kids from seeing this stuff. We all know that the filters wont be very good, but a lot of parents won't, so it sets a dangerous default position imo.

Welcome to turkmenistan folks.

Wonder if the Daily Star is in favour?

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Another attempt at the government trying to control something they don't fully understand.

it'll cause more harm that good, with porn sites finding quick work arounds and legitimate sites being blocked.

and as said above, pedo's will 100% find a work around.

It took all of 60 minutes for someone to develop a work around for the block on Pirate Bay/KAT etc. Even if you can opt in, it'll probably work out quicker to just use a proxy workaround.

Cameron on R4 just a moment ago has stressed that the timing of this is absolutely nothing to do with Lynton Crosby. 😆

There are two issues here - the blocking of child abuse images which the majority of isp's/ search engines etc do when they become aware of them anyway and are generally hidden away on the dark net so this is more of a headline grabber than anything that will make a huge difference.

The mainstream legal porn filters that they are harping on about I think will just instil a false sense of security in parents who have limited technical ability. Their kids will just set up proxy servers etc and porn away to their hearts content whilst mummy and daddy think they are viewing photos of teddy bears and fluffy clouds.

It is down to parents to help educate their kids on what is and isn't safe.

Quite ironic, given that cameron is such a (rhymes with) banker

What it will do is let lazy parents assume their kids are safe from 'harmful content' when in reality it will take a lot more than a government mandated filter to stop kids from seeing this stuff

Nothing has changed then.

I reckon this will end up with a lot of previously law abiding citizens who are into bdsm etc being taken to court to be prosecuted with badly written legislation that is highly open to interpretation.

You will get perfectly decent women and men ending up as registered sex offenders and their choice in pornography will be the subject of the red tops and the chattering masses all in the name of entertainment...theres nothing like humiliating people.

"Ohh she/he likes fantasizing about being tied/tying up and being spanked/spanking....the dirty whore/rapist"

Our victorian attitudes never left....watch.

And both Cameron and that really annoying Claire Parry have both said that CEOP has been given more money since 2010 and both have been challenged that in real terms it has actually been cut as its such a paltry increase and both have banged on about - 'No, it has been given more money'.

Ridiculous...

Just how will that happen then?

Oh, and one last point - will a register be kept of who opts in to receiving 'Nekked Pictures'?

I bet it will and they will be extra monitored {goes to hunt for tin-foil hat and good old paper based porn}

I bet the porn shop on the corner and the studios that still make DVDs are loving it.

Perhaps this is a way to kick start the UK economy and bring the highstreet back to life!

From what I gather you can request not to have the blocking in place ("I'd like to see porn please").

I just think it's impossible to implement. Having been involved with a few blocking methods in my work, none of them actually block porn 100% and they all block stuff they shouldn't.
If this is to stop kids accessing the wrong stuff, they will always find a way round it if they want to; if it's to stop paedos, they definitely will find a way round it.

Solving a problem the middle england way- ie knee jerk reaction that wont stop anyone from doing anything [ except the really computer illiterate]but will make some hand wringers feel safer whilst praying to win the "war" on drugs and immigration

TBh I would not object to child porn remaining illegal and also stopping rape porn but I would be surprised if there is an effective method of doing this- Perhpas I could sit on a committee that approves all internet porn...it would be a sacrifice but for the nation I would be up for it [ See what i did there}

Oh, and one last point - will a register be kept of who opts in to receiving 'Nekked Pictures'?

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I reckon this will end up with a lot of previously law abiding citizens who are into bdsm etc being taken to court to be prosecuted with badly written legislation that is highly open to interpretation.

You will get perfectly decent women and men ending up as registered sex offenders and their choice in pornography will be the subject of the red tops and the chattering masses all in the name of entertainment...theres nothing like humiliating people.

"Ohh she/he likes fantasizing about being tied/tying up and being spanked/spanking....the dirty whore/rapist"

Our victorian attitudes never left....watch.

there must be some sort of tory minister exemption clause or the entire cabinet will be going down

we all know they like to play 'the panzer commander and the milkmaid'

'the panzer commander and the milkmaid'

ACHTUNG! Milke Meine koch, sweinhund! SNELLMAKEN!

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/dacre-to-opt-for-adult-content-so-he-can-check-how-disgusting-it-is-2013072276457

Perhpas I could sit on a committee that approves all internet porn

You laugh but there is someone in China who has this job role - the job posting was made last yet on the Gov website 😆

They really want three options:

- no porn
- porn plus normal internet
- only porn

Also, can we have a Daily Mail filter please?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/kitten-block/

10 questions about Cameron's porn filter asked well here:

http://paulbernal.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/10-questions-about-camerons-new-porn-blocking/

Also, can we have a Daily Mail filter please?

…for the 'erosion of adulthood'.

10 questions about Cameron's porn filter asked well here:

Sadly, I suspect that they're going to remain unanswered

TODAY FREEDOM DIED!!!!
I'm ****ing outraged, i've been if a fair bit of porn and
I consider it a form of expression.Performing is an expression of my femininity and my internal desires, is my femininity and its expression somehow dangerous??

I'm **** outraged, i've been if a fair bit of porn and

Please email me the links. Ta.

whatnobeer +1

And would you want to be on it when it's inevitably hacked/leaked?

It's gonna be a bloody big excel file

So does this mean that i'm a criminal for lets some people spank me till i bleed?

I think the chance of the tories winning the next election are slightly below zero.

I wonder if the Daily Mail actually does more harm than legal porn.

It might be a gateway to prejudice, bigotry and xenophobia. I wonder how many EDL members read the Daily Mail before signing up to join EDL?

So does this mean that i'm a criminal for lets some people spank me till i bleed?

Sadly, the law is already woolly enough to allow an assault conviction to be pursued in that case; consent doesn't come into it.

At the risk of being a bit Daily Mail "slippery slope / thin end of the wedge" fallacy (phallusy, ho ho!), what concerns me is that when the filtering technology is established and proven, it's fairly inevitable that the next step is to use it to enforce other laws. It'd be a sad state of affairs if a couple in a loving relationship ended up on the sex offenders list for shopping for floggers.

And it's not just sex either, of course. Trying to buy drugs on the Internet? Organising an illegal rave? Torrenting last night's Big Brother? It seems highly unlikely that this tech will go in and then the government won't want to use it.

Torrenting last night's Big Brother?

Do people actually watch this stuff?

and will you choose to receive it ?

Yes

probably be a register made of people that have registered which will be made public...

Fine. If you are worried about your wife/friends finding out about that

You have the wrong wife/friends.

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Oh, and one last point - will a register be kept of who opts in to receiving 'Nekked Pictures'?
And would you want to be on it when it's inevitably hacked/leaked?

Wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

Same old story, there's things you can legally do, legally film, legally share but the person you share with could be committing an offence. Genius.

How will this even work considering that so much material these days is not hosted on porn sites? Consider Reddit for example a legitimate site where in certain areas there is plenty of interesting content to be found but the individual images are hosted on sites such as imgur. Tumblr as well, how do you manage that one?

I've watched it all anyway.

Have they considered all the additional pregnancies which will inevitably occur if they ban internet grot?

You know when i was a child, in the later days of the cold war they used to say the west was free, i really used to believe that as well, sadly i no longer do.

You know when i was a child, in the later days of the cold war they used to say the west was free, i really used to believe that as well, sadly i no longer do.

From what I remember of the 80s access to pornography was severely limited.

yea i was about 9 at the time, lol

will be interesting.

I've seen people observe images of gangbangs or more males with 1 female sex scenarios and describe it as gang rape. Of course all these scenarios are legal and consentual (not my thing, before anyone asks :lol:)

it only takes a few over zealous people on google hitting the report function to cause havoc as the costs to police it all spiral out of control

I can imagine Max Hardcore's lawyers would have a very interesting exchange of words with the UK Gov when he files for loss of earnings.

A good post on this from one of them feminist types
http://stavvers.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/not-that-porn-blocking-bollocks-again/

I think this will create some very interesting conversations between married couples!

I logged on to talktalk (my isp) the other day to check the bill and the first thing it did was force me to click one way or the other about a porn filter (by another name). On clicking (fortunately the right choice!) button it immediately emailed our shared email account with my decision to block. I dunno, maybe Mrs C was a closet S&M fan and is gutted by my choice!

Another interesting read.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/micwright/100009396/david-cameron-cant-protect-us-from-child-porn-because-he-doesnt-understand-the-internet/

Also,

Sites like Behance - a creative social network for everyone from photographers & designers to fine artists and fashion designers.

They have their own built in content filter as quite a lot of work in the art world can be very mature. Whilst not exactly porn it is definitely full frontal nudity, and in some extreme cases, images of sex acts.

This is the minority of work on the site (Less than 1%) - most is really high caliber design, photography, branding etc that is totally SFW.

Will they get hit by the ban hammer?

best self censor that

And what about wikipedia?! They have images of genitals, genitals with STI's, and definitions of sex acts all over them.

The more you look into this the more it looks like the start of a book burning.

@nealg - what about employers, your neighbours, the teachers at the school your kids go to, agencies of other countries your applying for a visa for (looking at you Amerka).

How about being on a government watch list as you clearly have depraved views so your internet activity is monitored closely?

What happens when they want you to opt in to view certain political views / commentary etc?

This is a dangerous dangerous move that will not achieve its stated aims.

The more you look into this the more it looks like the start of a book burning.

Government control of a free information resource? No thanks.

The stance against abuse seems OK (with provisos) but ultimately it'll be ineffective (Google etc try to block that stuff anyway).

No it does not look anything like that it is not even close to that

Yes, yes it does...

They really want three options:

- no porn
- porn plus normal internet
- only porn

Could we have a

- porn + STW option?

For my friend.

😆

There's going to be some very very pissed off teens living with mum when they realise she's blocked their porn! Sales of replacement keyboards (liquid damage) will no doubt slump.

“All of us can think of a book... that we hope none of our children or any other children have taken off the shelf. But if I have the right to remove that book from the shelf -- that book I abhor -- then you also have exactly the same right and so does everyone else. And then we have no books left on the shelf for any of us.” Katherine Patterson

There's going to be some very very pissed off teens living with mum when they realise she's blocked their porn! Sales of replacement keyboards (liquid damage) will no doubt slump.

@ Tucker Which works well until we discuss child porn - which involves victims of legal abuse or perhaps till we get to Islamic websites describing how to make bombs for example

Most folk agree in censorship [I will be surprised if anyone wants to speak up for child pornography tbh] though we could debate where the line is drawn

banning access to child pornography [ which is already illegal and I assume we all agree with this] and making adults choose to access porn is NOT just like burning books

It may be a good thing or a bad thing but it is not like burning books FFS it is barely hiding the books never mind burning them - its like having to ask to go to the library