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Reports from Syria & Lebanon say 1000s! of Hezbollah members have been injured by their pagers exploding after the IDF hacked them??
Either the IDF were able to supply Hezbollah with all their pagers and secretly plant bombs in them or anything with a Lion battery thats connected to the web could explode and phone batteries are much bigger than pager ones
Is there a signal that can be sent to detonate every Axs deralier in the world?
https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1836042891346530567
Don't SRAM mechs explode for no reason, even analogue ones ?
Don’t SRAM mechs explode for no reason, even analogue ones ?
this deserves recognition. *Highfive*
Every gadget with a battery is a bomb?
Potentially, yes. But I think in this case Mossad infiltrated the supply chain and put bombs in the devices.
Also, every vehicle with a fuel tank is potentially a bomb. There's quite a long list of things you could use to make bombs.
Many unconfirmed reports about what caued this, so speculation is not going to really help explain what happened. Yes, there were reports of a new batch of pagers coming in, but... Yes, there were also reports that the server was compromised then used to send a script that overloaded the pagers, but...
Israel saying nothing, Lebanon just saying they had a lot of people coming in with injuries.
Also, Twitter for news? Really?
Also, Twitter for news? Really?
its an absolute hellfest, but stuff usually breaks there first
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7xnelvpepo
also seems that Israeli ambassador to UK also had an explodey hezbollah pager on him
and now on bbc,
I would have never even thought this was possible if true.
It is scary how many innovative ways humans can come up with to maim and kill each other
Someone watched 'Kingsman The Secret Service' and thought , Thats a good idea...
yes I thought of that movie too when I first read about it
That is stunningly scary. Aren't pager messages really short and so the command would have to be something to activate an embedded payload already on the device?
Was on a aircraft yesterday and they announced that if your electronic device starts to get hot or smoke, let a member of staff know.
What are they going to do, open the door and chuck it out?
Oh and just think how many pagers are used in the NHS still ....
Was on a aircraft yesterday and they announced that if your electronic device starts to get hot or smoke, let a member of staff know.
What are they going to do, open the door and chuck it out?
They have a fancy bag to drop it in and a box to drop the bag in. It buys time but doesn't put the fire out.
Oh and just think how many pagers are used in the NHS still ….
The NHS ones probably aren't packed with C4 though
This shouldn't be a big surprise, the Stuxnet attack happened nearly 15 years ago and might have been in play for several years before that.
You can Google it, but it was a small virusy thing which self spread all over the place, which sat and watched to see if it's host was running controls on particular centrifuges used in nuclear material production. If it was, it nudged the speed now and again to spoil the batch and/or wreck the machine. Iran's nuclear arms project the target.
This shouldn’t be a big surprise, the Stuxnet attack happened nearly 15 years ago and might have been in play for several years before that.
its not the hack thats the surprise, its that they somehow managed to get 100s, 1000s? of pagers with explosives distributed to 1000s ? of hezbollah members
What else have they been messing with? Headsets and earbuds?
On the radio news just now, Hezbollah were being tracked by their mobiles phone signal, so they got rid of the mobile phones and started using pagers, apparently, Israel was aware of this, and interrupted the pager supply to add some explosive in each of the pagers. It sounds rather far fetched to me.
NHS pagers... Brings back nightmares of the damn thing going off in a communicative way, requiring my presence in wards all over SGH simultaneously, from an old job decades ago!
First thought was Stuxnet as well.
I suspect what's happened is someone has found an exploit to perform an OTA firmware change that allows them to overload a device. As easy as a squib is, it's also really easy to spot if for any reason the pager got opened or passed through any sort of security scanner, ESPECIALLY in that part of the world.
It sounds rather far fetched to me.
doesn't sound at all far-fetched to me tbh, if you've read about or watched films detailing what Israeli secret services have gotten up to in the past! There can't be many suppliers of pagers left these days, and not being high-security items would be trivial to intercept the supply chain at some point.
Really can't think of any other explanation why thousands of the things have been exploding simultaneously (if that is indeed what's been happening).
Someone watched ‘Kingsman The Secret Service’ and thought , Thats a good idea…
Did it involve the Swedish princess lady?
Definitely more than the battery exploding from what I seen on Telegram.
No idea how, but looks to be a nasty explosion from the pagers. Most seem to have been carrying them in the front trousers pockets .. scary
This is incredible - Kingsman came to mind to me as well.
BBC report seems confident the supply chain was infiltrated and explosives put in at source. If anyone has recently bought a pager from Mossadelectronics.com, you might want to think again.
Did it involve the Swedish princess lady?
Only if you save the world.
I suspect what’s happened is someone has found an exploit to perform an OTA firmware change that allows them to overload a device.
this is what's far-fetched! Sounds like a plot from that terrible BBC 1 spy-show Bugs. It's just random buzz-words strung together in a sentence 🙂
What if STW were a conduit for anti UK propaganda and there were spies amongst us, especially in all those political threads?
And, who’s recommended a Chinese EV recently, or a smartphone?
Makes you think, we could all be being influenced in ways cleverer than a 90’s teenagers collection of The Daily Sport.
Sounds like a plot from that terrible BBC 1 spy-show Bugs.
Or that awful one that was on this week, - Night Sleeper. Hackers have taken over a train by planting a Raspberry Pi in the wiring. Also, they have blocked all mobile phone signals on the train. It got to that point when I turned it off.
Oh, one line from the counter-terrorism hacker specialist - ‘Dont remove it as the train could just speed up until it crashes’. Yes,really based on reality that is!
would be trivial to intercept the supply chain at some point.
Yep find someone with access, explain that they and every relative they know will be killed if they don't give you access and hey presto 1000 pagers get C4 swapped out for one of the battery cells and no one is any the wiser...
Only if you save the world.
Both incidents seem to involve an explosion in your pants...
Yep find someone with access, explain that they and every relative they know will be killed…
Or just pay them lots of money, everything is easier when people are happier with a tasking and want to help.
we could all be being influenced
in ways cleverer than a 90’s teenagers collection of The Daily Sportto buy Specialized Epic Evo's.
FTFY
Or just pay them lots of money
Agents become less reliable if they are motivated purely by money. All it requires for them to become double-agents is for the other side to also offer them money.
Better to threaten to kill their families which will dramatically reduce the chances of them becoming double-agents.
Israeli intelligence is generally excellent in the Occupied Territories, which is why Oct 7th came as such a shock (although not a complete shock) holding thousands of Palestinian prisoners undoubtedly plays a part in that.
Glad I wasn't sitting next to one on a plane.
Agents become less reliable if they are motivated purely by money. All it requires for them to become double-agents is for the other side to also offer them money
Not really, because they know if exposed they’ll probably get off’ed in the first instance and if handled properly they have little opportunity to blow back/ stitch up their handlers so aren’t of much use if discovered.
I wonder if they intercepted them on a truck and swapped them out for the ones they had put the explosives in. Only need to get to one driver potentially and you'd want to use the option that involved the least possible amount people.
Mr Attenborough is in serious danger if fax machines are targeted...and he is a national treasure!!!
holding thousands of Palestinian prisoners undoubtedly plays a part in that.
It's best they're called what they are - Hostages.
In the use of language, the Israelis will never call them that, and only ever refer to those being held by Hamas as hostages. It is because criminals dont have prisoners, they have hostages.
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So it’s all apparently acceptable (if true) for a foreign nation to explode devices across various countries?I have no time for Hezbollah or the IDF but to be frank this is going to cost lives and escalate a war.
Thats netanyahu's "master" plan, he'll remove Gallant and replace him with a arse licker warmonger from the far right as gallant has been trying to hold him back from all out escalation.
Shame Netanyahu didn't have a pager planted on him, good riddance to bad rubbish.
This is some nobbling of a specific supply chain - I suppose large orders for pagers aren't a thing these days, and whoever knew this was happening got in there early and knew there would be a big order for these devices - just hope none went elsewhere. Quite astonishing really, but evidently possible these days.
Another wild theory for you:
All the Hezbollah pagers are made locally and have the self destruction charge built into them. So that they can be remotely detonated if they fall into enemy hands - simultaneously destroying the device and hopefully maiming an enemy. Somone (probably Israel) hacked them and triggered the self destruct.
this is what’s far-fetched! Sounds like a plot from that terrible BBC 1 spy-show Bugs. It’s just random buzz-words strung together in a sentence 🙂
No it's not.
See that thing where people get all proud about their ignorance, that's what you're doing.
Mr Attenborough is in serious danger if fax machines are targeted…and he is a national treasure!!!
He's OK. He answered my email today.
What if STW were a conduit for anti UK propaganda and there were spies amongst us, especially in all those political threads?
And, who’s recommended a Chinese EV recently, or a smartphone?
I’m staying away from anything with “self driving” abilities 😉
I read an article a while back about the risk of car and appliance tech being compromised. It seemed quite alarming. Even the ability to just brick something remotely!
This is why I've ditched my pager and I'm now using two cups and string!
So what happens next?
Hezbollah must be in disarray, seems like golden opportunity for Israel to move in?
this is going to cost lives and escalate a war.
I suspect that is thinking behind the decision to detonate them now. It has been clear for a long time that Netanyahu desperately wants to expand the war to involve Hezbollah so to draw less critical support from Western allies with the primary purpose of saving his own political skin.
The last thing he wants is peace as it would signal the end of his position of Israeli leadership. Never ending wars of the intensity Israel is currently experiencing are not sustainable but he isn't going to worry about Israel going down with him, he's frankly a psychopath.
And to be fair the Israeli state is in a death spiral anyway.
Just imagine the chaos if Mossad start targeting fax machines?
If Hezbollah used the old Nokia bricks no one would have felt a thing!
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Definitely more than the battery exploding from what I seen on TelegramVans here to post that. I know next to nothing about explosives but I have seen a few batteries go pop (some made to deliberately) and the videos of these pagers going bang looks way more abrupt than a battery somehow being triggered.
Netanyahu seems hell bent on creating a wider regional war in order to stay in power. Pretty bloody extraordinary and probably helps seal the fate of many of the remaining Israeli hostages. 🙁
They've simultaneously hospitalised significant numbers of commanders, (suspect the foot soldiers wouldn't have been equipped) and knackered the communications network. It's a bloody devious ploy and technically/organisationally clever too
The Israelis government and security forces are still horrible bastards though.
I’m now using two cups and string!
I've seen that video I think.
They’ve simultaneously hospitalised significant numbers of commanders, (suspect the foot soldiers wouldn’t have been equipped) and knackered the communications network.
Yup, and can you imagine how devastating that would have been for Hezbollah had that happen during a major full-scale conflict with Israel?
So why has Israel decided to do it now, are they about to launch a full-scale attack? If not why waste your trump card on a less effective outcome?
Hezbollah will definitely learn lessons from this and it is something which will never be repeated again, certainly not on that scale.
What will Israel have actually achieved if they don't follow it up with an invasion of Southern Lebanon? Nothing really I would have thought.
Edit: Is it linked to this? A decision taken yesterday evening.
Israel sets new war goal of returning residents to the north
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cglkkrj94ldo
That would require a full-scale war with Hezbollah and the invasion of Southern Lebanon
Dear god! Just imagine the chaos if Mossad start targeting fax machines?
Or ebikes in the uplift queue!
It’s just random buzz-words strung together in a sentence 🙂
It made perfect sense to me. *shrug emoji*
It is scary how many innovative ways humans can come up with to maim and kill each other
FTFY
Israelis have no monopoly on innovation when it comes to using interesting ways to kill and maim each other, after all humans have had thousands of years of practice.
Oh, and I’ve spelt Israeli correctly for you - it’s Netanyahu who is the problem, not the Israeli people, he’s been indulging himself in finding ways of ethnic cleansing, or should I say ‘solving the Palestine problem’ ever since he came to power; removing him would almost certainly solve the problem, not destroying the Palestinian people.
I doubt removing Netanyahu would make the slightest bit of difference at this stage, almost the entire Israeli government needs to be routed
In other news the pagers have been identified and the company has its own Wikipedia page
Agents become less reliable if they are motivated purely by money.
Something you’d like to share with the group?
it’s Netanyahu who is the problem
It really isn't, Netanyahu is the symptom. Israel has spent the last 75 years moving evermore to the right, Netanyahu is the logical consequence of that. The problem is zionism.
Similarly Hamas are not the problem, 75 years of injustices are. Hamas are the symptom.
So why has Israel decided to do it now, are they about to launch a full-scale attack?
Because you need to do it quickly, enough time for them to be distributed but not so long that someone curious has one that isn't working and decides to take it apart to see if they can fix it
According to this article the modifications to the pagers were made at production level, not in the supply chain, and were apparently totally impossible to detect. And the pagers had been in operation for months.
They were also manufactured in Europe.
it’s Netanyahu who is the problem, not the Israeli people
I know! Since he took power by way of a military coup and ruled the country as a despotic dictatorship, the peace-loving majority of Israelis have been powerless to do anything about his tyranny
I really feel for them. It must break their hearts daily having to witness all this
This is massively irresponsible of Israel. Even if the target is hezbollah fighters, there is absolutely zero way they could avoid collateral damage.
If they had been packed with explosives, im surprised not one of them has been through an airport scanner at some point, ie the Iranian ambassador who apparently had one. God forbid it had gone off in a plane
The Israeli government are an evil bunch of shits for sure and this latest act has just condemned ordinary Israelis and everyone else in the near vicinity to even more misery and suffering
Latest reports say they suspected that hezbollah may have got wind of the scheme so decided to set then off early. So no real provocation to do it, just wanted to kill as many people as they could 'just because they can'
From a Mossad POV, it clearly highlights who is and isn't a member of Hezbollah. It neuters Hezbollah's communication network and may provide the northern enclaves some respite from rocket attack.
It's cunning, desperate, dangerous and impressive. There will be a significant amount of Hezbollah resource now spent in identifying the mole.
Whether it will bring peace, who knows, but the Lebanese Govt have an opportunity to show they are on the side of peace, rather than harbouring a proscribed organisation.
This is massively irresponsible of Israel. Even if the target is hezbollah fighters, there is absolutely zero way they could avoid collateral damage.
Whatever you think of the rights and wrongs of this, it has to be the most precision strike in history.
They have targeted the senior commanders of an enemy, who have declared they will not stop until Israel is no more, with relatively tiny amounts of ordnance that is actually either in their hands or about their person.
The amount of collateral damage must be tiny in comparison to the number of legitimate targets.
The only people who were carrying these pagers were sworn enemies of Israel. Not just the current right wing version that they have now but any form of a Jewish State.
Personally I think they were fair game.
It is definitely a massive escalation. Short term it will have a massive impact on Hezbollah's ability to attack Israel. But, I can't see them throwing the towel in and going, well that is ok
I bet every Iranian official is getting their phones / pagers / etc... checked over asap.
Israel was also making threats against the Houthis for recent rocket attacks as well.
One of them a 9 year old girl..
Source?
That would require a full-scale war with Hezbollah and the invasion of Southern Lebanon
Speaking with folk over here I think that's the goal. They've activated tons of immediate call-up reservists and everyone seems to be heading up north. Reading between the lines the plan is to clear Lebanon of Hezbollah as far as the Litani River, I guess to self-enforce UN resolutions 1701 and 1556, seeing as they've been effectively ignored for the last 18 years.
What that means for the general population in southern Lebanon is probably very grim.
The other thing coming from all of this is the Taiwanese pager company whose kit was apparently intercepted/exploded, Gold Apollo, have likely had their reputation shat on beyond repair.