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That's the spirit. Roy to evolve and embrace change.I don't think he deserves criticism at this stage, as we've been a bit unlucky not to win all our games and of course hindsight is a wonderful thing! He will have learned a few things too which will help him make the right decisions in the next game.(hopefully)
I agree that it's pointless to criticise at this stage, though. Roy is Roy and his limitations as a tournament coach are clear and obvious to all. It's not like Capello or someone where there was expectation that he might know what he was doing.
but for a last gasp goal against wales, youse would be out, atleast watching tonight keeking your drawers!Rockape63 - Member
I don't think he deserves criticism at this stage, as we've been a bit unlucky not to win all our games and of course hindsight is a wonderful thing! He will have learned a few things too which will help him make the right decisions in the next game.(hopefully)
don't think he deserves criticism at this stage
I agree. It should never have got to this stage. Roy should have been sacked after the WC.
but for a last gasp goal against wales, youse would be out, atleast watching tonight keeking your drawers!
good point....but again, I don't think you can blame Woy for Joe Hart watching the big screen instead of the ball.
youse would be out
Of course the best person to judge such a thing would be a Scot 🙂
Apart from the last game I quite enjoyed the first two. It was an improvement over the world cup but that isn't too hard.
I actually think the squad is quite promising bar the deadwood of henderson, wislhire, milner. Bring the ox back find a scholes / gerrard in the middle of the park and it'll be perfect.
unlucky not to win all our games
Have we been watching the same matches ? Wales spank Russia 3-0 and we just about managed one goal. Slovakia we didn't look like scoring. To be honest Wales deserved a draw against us too.
I do think we should have taken Andy Carroll though....the bloke is the best header of the ball I've ever seen. He (Roy) bottled that decision taking both Vardy and Cane, when one of them would have done okay.
Carroll offers something, when all other options have failed!
To be honest Wales deserved a draw against us too.
Utter Bollocks...they hardly got into our half! All three teams have packed their defences against us which is why we've struggled. Russia played an open game against Wales allowing them space to run into.
It will all change against a team who actually try and win the game! 😕
Wales earn't the right to sit back by coming into the game with 2 points more than England and then taking the early lead. Wales didn't need to force the game. Then against Russia Bale had already hit the target in 2 minutes and they were 1-0 up after 11 mins. Maybe England could learn from that and start a lot faster before teams settle.
It will all change against a team who actually try and win the game!
Will it? Italy and Croatia both have won games with strong defensive performances and then taking the few chances presented, others are likely to do the same. In fact it is exactly how Italy beat England in the World Cup group.
Will it?
Well we hope it will, but as per my ? face....we all have a lot of experience of Englands golden generation failing, so will it be any different this time! 🙁
@rockape I didn't say Wales deserved to win and being camped in our half is worth preceisely zero.
🙂 To be fair I think there are many sports "journalists" who deserve to the thrown in the lake still attached to their phones
Well, we created more than enough chances and realistically that is all you can do ...and hope some of them go in! There is also the need to blood squad players in the group stages to ensure when they are needed later (hopefully) in the comp, so they come on with a level of confidence.I don't think he deserves criticism at this stage, as we've been a bit unlucky not to win all our games and of course hindsight is a wonderful thing! He will have learned a few things too which will help him make the right decisions in the next game.(hopefully)
but do you not find it a bit alarming that we had 60% possession and had some 30 attempts on goal with a dozen corners and still couldn't score...i can only remember the slovakian keeper only making a handful of saves and skrtel making one goal bound clearance
you also have to remember that one of the reasons why england looked good and dominant against slovakia was because the slovaks were happy to sit back and defend for 90 minutes
the likes of spain, germany and france wont be give england the time and space they had on monday so chances will be fewer...if they cant get a goal out of 30 chances...how will they manage to get a goal out of even less?
i know you say its not entirely woys fault as the players are the ones on the pitch who are carrying out his instructions and tactics...and therein lies the problem...his tactics arent getting the best out of the players
[i]you also have to remember that one of the reasons why england looked good and dominant against slovakia was because the slovaks were happy to sit back and defend for 90 minutes
the likes of spain, germany and france wont be give england the time and space they had on monday so chances will be fewer...if they cant get a goal out of 30 chances...how will they manage to get a goal out of even less?
i know you say its not entirely woys fault as the players are the ones on the pitch who are carrying out his instructions and tactics...and therein lies the problem...his tactics arent getting the best out of the players[/i]
Look, lets face it...we are England! You could put any Manager in charge and we'd bog it up. All I'm saying is Woy is doing just about as well as could be hoped for at this stage. The only Manager who EVER got any praise in my life time was Bobby Robson, who I was backing from the start. After ONE game in the 1990 WC, the headline on the back page next day was 'Bring em home now!'
And we had drawn 1-1.
Edit: and yes I do find it worrying that Rooney took about 20 corners and we never got close...hence my Carroll comment. Why is every corner the f'kin same? Whatever happened to the front post corner?
OOPS! Ronnie is going to go mental!!! He was already getting a bit hissy with Nani 😆
bongohoohaa - as if you need to ask, Mrs Binners has bet on Hungary and Iceland to win. So so have I 😀
Look, lets face it...we are England! You could put any Manager in charge and we'd bog it up. All I'm saying is Woy is doing just about as well as could be hoped for at this stage. The only Manager who EVER got any praise in my life time was Bobby Robson, who I was backing from the start. After ONE game in the 1990 WC, the headline on the back page next day was 'Bring em home now!'
I'd have to disagree tbh, England have the players that are capable of being a top team, but the one thing you haven't produced in god knows how long is a great manager.
Who was the last English manager to win the Premiership again? Oh, that's right, none. The mighty Howard Wilkinson won the old first division in 92.
That's abysmal.
Have to say the Portuguese strip is very Morvelo-esque!.
Not quite the Vardy flick now was it
Four goals in one game and Hungary have two, Ronnie finally comes good with a clever flick.
Not quite 😉
This doesn't look like finishing with the score at this. Cracking game!
Amazing scenes
Football! Bloody hell!! 😯
Loving it!
Even Binners is surprised at his top predicting ability...
one with no national alegencies, yip! 😉jambalaya - Member
youse would be out
Of course the best person to judge such a thing would be a Scot
Binners you shouldn't be posting while playing in goal
So who didn't want to place a bet on Rinaldo to score a brace?
Lovely header.
I've got me tracky bottoms mucky now!
Ooooooooo hit the post!!!! This is the best match so far, by miles!!!!
Hits the post! 🙁
Even we might score against this lot.
OK, probably not.
& thanks to Iceland conceding a goal - we're now playing Portugal.
Wouldn't want to put money on it tho the way this game is going.
You'd fancy england against portugal tbh.
If Hungary could pop in another goal, that would be just delightful.
Just got in and seen the results....the one game I miss, and it's a goal-fest.
...but score that goal please.
ICELAND !!!!!!!!!!!! OMZGGGGGZZZZ ❗
Fanstastic Iceland!!!!!!!
rather play iceland, although it's another park-the-bus team and that hasn't gone well 8)You'd fancy england against portugal tbh.
You couldn't make it up.
I'm nearly in tears ! Yes island!
It was like....oh blimey we've got Portugal! Oh hang on!! 😯
Iceland. You bunch of ****s!
*runs out the bookies crying*
As for Hungary. Gah!
My gambling loss based bitterness aside, can't wait for England to play Iceland.
My money is on Iceland 😀
woohoo money is on englerland to win 🙂 Fantastic result for iceland.. I'd be rooting for them otherwise.
Shock news.. Woy does know what he is doing 🙂
There's a lot of very sad looking people around Vienna.
There's a lot of very sad looking people around Vienna.
This means nothing to me...
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Can we get our cash back from iceland now
I think I may have to revise my previously stated opinion on Mr Ronaldo.
Apparently he just did a press conference where he refused to answer any questions other than the PR fluff from a UEFA rep.
On a lighter note:
https://twitter.com/danmari83/status/745694539738943488/video/1
The Italians are being pure filth. It's like an Expo on the footballing dark arts.
defo a penalty that.
that was a blatant penalty
I think if Ireland get a third nailed on pen denied, they get a free sandwich.
still in with a chance, italians could nick one just to be ****s mind, but it's all there for ireland!
It's been weird seeing Ireland all over Italy - even with all their changes, I thought they'd still batter us.
A few goals from that dominance would have been nice.
No doubt about that for me - definite penalty, even through green-tinged glasses.
Good to see Howard Webb finding work after leaving Man U.
Hoho.
The Italians are sooooo dirty!
First really poor refereeing performance I've seen in the Competition.
The *WHISTLE* prob with this *WHISTLE* ref, is he is not *WHISTLE* letting the game *WHISTLE* flow.
The refereeing has been 'interesting'. Do the Italians actually have to punch somebody? That'd probably be waved away too
This terrible feeling...we lose as Italy score on the break.
Tell you what, I realise they sometimes get praised as "masters" of the cynical game, but it's ****ing annoying being on the receiving end - has the ref shown any yellows to Italy at all? Agbonna looks like he's in an MMA bout with some of his challenges.
If these two games end in a draw, Iceland scoring at the end cost me £300. Ouch.
Anyway, C'MON IRELAND! THINK OF THE SWEEPSTAKE!
YES!
boom! there ye go! well deserved! 🙂
GET IN!!!!
greggs on bongo 🙂
Oh Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
*finds rosary beads and starts praying*
*darcy to the forum, darcy to the forum*
Gooooaaalll! Ireland! Ireland! Goooooaaalll! 😆
I, erm, literally, can't watch.
Blimey, Ireland !!
Cool uh.
My wife went to bed poorly, I think I woke her up.
Laughed that the manager walked off the pitch in disgust after the fluff, then seconds later they scored ?
Well, I can.
who cares about brexit ..we could win the euros:)
No, I can't.
"If it stays like this, the Republic of Ireland will play France, while Wales will take on Northern Ireland."
....according to Barry G on the Guardian liveblog
ITV commentators need to shut up. In danger of jinxing it.
Gonna be a bonkers night in Lille tonight! 😀
And I followed the Mrs Binners philosophy and bet on an Ireland win 😀
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Oh ****ing AWESOME!
I'm doing a little cry.
hahaha, I love martin oneill, brilliant! Mon the Irish, well done! 🙂
Have I just seen Keano smile? 😯
Great to see all 4 teams thru. And We get Wales next round!!