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[Closed] "EU group mulls 'remote car-stopping device' for police"

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25961096

I'm sure some will see this another infringement of their civil liberties.
Sounds like a good idea to me though.
Stopping a stolen car remotely from a helicopter has got to be safer than chasing after it with another car.

The article's a bit short on detail, but I guess it's some sort of long range immobiliser master key.
The biggest problem seems to be that manufacturers will have to agree on a standard before they start fitting it, then, without a retrofit campaign, it will be years before the majority of cars on the road have it.


 
Posted : 31/01/2014 7:20 am
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And when they ask to fit it to your 110what will you say.......


 
Posted : 31/01/2014 7:23 am
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I think this has been proposed before, but not got any further.
I can see advantages and pitfalls of a system like this, it would also make older cars seem more desirable to some who wouldn't the State to have that control over their vehicle.


 
Posted : 31/01/2014 7:27 am
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Just wait until the criminals duplicated the technology. You wouldn't be able to drive away from them...


 
Posted : 31/01/2014 7:31 am
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Yes, compulsory retrofit at the owner's expense and increased targeting of older cars by thieves are two downsides for me personally.


 
Posted : 31/01/2014 7:31 am
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There's a bit on instructables that shows you how to build an EMP device out of a disposable camera. I'm trying to work out how to scale it up, handlebar mount it and insulate my garmin from it when I fire it at Mr close passing corsa chav.


 
Posted : 31/01/2014 7:37 am
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Be great until someone works out how to hack into it, for the lulz.


 
Posted : 31/01/2014 7:47 am
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Knowing the way that international standards organizations work, there will be a gaping security hole in the protocol used that would mean that the NSA, and pimply 17 year olds, would be able to stop cars as well.

It would be particularly amusing to stop Angela Merkel's motorcade in its tracks on the way to a high level discussion about phone tapping....


 
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Posted : 31/01/2014 8:11 am
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I think the tech is there somewhere,and that us awsum driver types should be allowed to implement the laser guided hellfire attack ^^on behalf of the police whenever some dumbass is found on the roads.this might increase the amount and depth of potholes but the roads would be safer


 
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I bet there's [i]no chance at all [/i]of it going off due to a fault and causing accidents either.


 
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The NSA have already suggested the encryption method used, to reassure users the system will use a 2048 bit RSA code, of which the NSA get to specify the first 2047 bits of everyone's keys....


 
Posted : 31/01/2014 10:18 am
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As per gwaelod, would an EMP device not be better? probably be easier/cheaper to design and build than implementing the OP.

But yeah chasing cars with other cars, especially when they are chasing because the first car was going a bit quick or was driving with complete disregard for the lives of people around them, seems mental on the surface.

edit but then I guess a driver doing 60mph through a built up area suddenly having his car electronically nuked probably isn't great "safety feature" either.


 
Posted : 31/01/2014 10:24 am
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As per gwaelod, would an EMP device not be better? probably be easier/cheaper to design and build than implementing the OP.

Not directional enough - and useless if there's another car between the cops and the baddies.


 
Posted : 31/01/2014 10:28 am
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Yeah sorry did mean to say design and build a [i]directional[/i] EMP gun would be easier/cheaper than implementing this.

Failing that emp grenade, emp mine? 🙂


 
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I bet there's no chance at all of it going off due to a fault and causing accidents either.
Of course not. The scheme will be run by someone like Capita or G4, so will be inexpensive and totally reliable.


 
Posted : 31/01/2014 10:33 am
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I think a simpler and cheaper solution to the problem would to arm more police and give them permission to shoot to kill if somebody fails to stop and endangers other road users.

I suspect you wouldn't need to ask them twice...


 
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I think the simpler solution is just to have proper penalties for such behavior. I'd suggest that every genuine "get away from an armed robbery" is out numbered 100:1 by scrotes just tearing round in stolen cars for the fun of it. Currently, we arrest those scrotes, slap their wrist, and send 'em straight out to do it again a day later........


 
Posted : 31/01/2014 1:23 pm
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No! Surely not? On the TV [s]infomercials[/s] programmes they get banged up or at least given community service orders.


 
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I once had an idea for a GPS tracker that could be shot at a pursued car (so the police didn't have to follow closely and endanger life). Did some research and it turned out LA police were just starting to trail the technology.

Pah!


 
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I bet there's no chance at all of it going off due to a fault and causing accidents either.
Of course not. The scheme will be run by someone like Capita or G4, so will be inexpensive and totally reliable.

But then we'll have to get the army in to cover for them and we're back at:
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Just wait until the criminals duplicated the technology. You wouldn't be able to drive away from them...

Find yourself running away from criminals often?


 
Posted : 31/01/2014 3:35 pm
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Two people would still be alive now if the police had this.


 
Posted : 15/02/2014 6:51 am
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If I was a crim I'd just make sure the getaway car for my master heist had this device removed.

Doesn't matter how clever it is, there's always going to be someone who can disable it.


 
Posted : 15/02/2014 7:30 am
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Electronically limiting cars to the speed limit of the road its on would serve much of the same purpose.


 
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Prosecuting crims properly would be more effective. I'm normally firmly in the camp of if you've got nothing to hide whats the problem but not this time. MTG comment is probably a little off the mark, chances are the driver will be well known to police and had a record. Dealing more firmly earlier would have been more effective.


 
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[i]I once had an idea for a GPS tracker that could be shot at a pursued car (so the police didn't have to follow closely and endanger life). Did some research and it turned out LA police were just starting to trail the technology.

Pah! [/i]

I only found out this week that such a technology existed. Sounds like a win to me. Fire the GPS bullet at the car and them immediatelu back off, track them to their hideway, wait for them to celebrate their heist with drugs and cheap floozies[1] and then kick the front door in.

[1]Because this is how all crims behave after doing a crime.


 
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I think it is safe to say that stw does not harbour the finest criminal masterminds.....
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I'm not that concerned about it from a civil liberties point of view, but am concerned by the potential for the device to develop a fault or (more likely) to be hacked and used to stop my car for robbery, etc.

Any remote electronics can and therefore will be hacked. The guy who runs Silk Road 2, who should have pretty high awareness of the problems since he runs an electronic marketplace [allegedly] frequented by criminals, couldn't prevent hackers stealing several million dollars worth of bitcoins.


 
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Any remote electronics can and therefore will be hacked. The guy who runs Silk Road 2, who should have pretty high awareness of the problems since he runs an electronic marketplace [allegedly] frequented by criminals, couldn't prevent hackers stealing several million dollars worth of bitcoins.

Last I heard it was an [url= http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1xu2kv/silk_road_2_hacked_all_bitcoins_stolen/ ]inside job or scam by the staff[/url]...


 
Posted : 15/02/2014 7:10 pm
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[quote=kenneththecurtain ]If I was a crim I'd just make sure the getaway car for my master heist had this device removed.
Doesn't matter how clever it is, there's always going to be someone who can disable it.

You're right, but I guess it's aimed at the sort of people who don't put that much planning into their escapes from police - which would cover TWOCers and the chap in the black beemer the other day (and I imagine the vast majority of those involved in police pursuits). Certainly not a total non-starter on that basis. Apart from anything else, I'd suggest that if you were going to that sort of trouble you're probably capable of avoiding being in a police chase in the first place.


 
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