[Closed] Etiqette for getting rid of a "Carpenter"

Sorry, can someone move this to the right forum?

Has he actually been there Monday to Friday for five weeks? Or has he only done a couple of days work in that time?

This morning he rocked up at 10am and has just left sighting a lack of concentration.

I think at that point after I'd sat wtf, I'd have told him not to come back. He's hanging doors, not splitting the atom.

I want to call it a day and finish the job myself. I'll deduct the cost of the osmo oil from the bill, but what should I be paying. Should I just pay the agreed price in full?

I'd be tempted to pay pro rata on the work done. So if he's done 80% of the work, pay 80% of the bill. I've absolutely no idea what the legal precedence is for this though.

If four days' work has taken five weeks I'd hazard you've got a solid case for breach of contract. I'd have to look it up to be sure.

How many doors are we talking about?

Easy

Refer him to the terms in your contract

..........................you do have a contract?

Sounds like a bloke I know - he's very relaxed about his joinery, works all hours, but never has any money!

I think you need to hammer the point home that he has screwed you over. If you lay the facts out in plane english you might not have to drill it into him to much but I think if you saw what Cougar wrote he hit the nail on the head, at least thats what I wood do.

Just tell him he goes against your grain and you knot having anymore, in plane English.

Just tell him he goes against your grain and you knot having anymore, in plane English.

Oh, very good...

He's not been working solid for all that time, I would say he's easily done 8-10 days. This is only for three internal doors, and all the associated door furniture and wood work, incl skirting.

I'd sycamore prompt carpenter..

Tell him to get knotted? 😀
Sounds like he's in beech of contract..
Is the quality of the work oak-a?

Don't let him offer an olive branch.

This whole situation sounds full of rot.

He's not been working solid for all that time, I would say he's easily done 8-10 days. This is only for three internal doors, and all the associated door furniture and wood work, incl skirting.

Poor bloke. Sounds like he hasn't a 'king clue.
Not your problem though. Keep back £50 for fitting the door handles and put him out of his misery.

This carpenter... beardy fella? Are there another 12 blokes hanging around outside?

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Well, you can't birch him. Why not ply him with beer to try and find the root and branch of the issue? He might simply have a chip(board) on his shoulder, hammering the issue home might not help mend fences.

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Wasn't it always crucifixion?

come on Yew guys this is serious!

I would say he's easily done 8-10 days.

I'd say he's barking up the wrong (career) tree

Anorexia should do it

I think we're beginning to look like a load of planks.

Is it Alpin?

I don't think these puns are Alpin at at all, you need to cedar feller who recommeldered him and give him a piece of your pined

iirc, three's only one of the Carpenters left...

It doesn't auger well for the rest of the job. For all we know, the man simply does not have a veneer of respectability. Just tell him we've only just begun, pay him for only yesterday and soon you'll be on top of the world again.

Does he only work 'rainy days and Mondays'?

Tell him there is a lot hinging on this door job and if he doesnt finish asap then your are going to jamb his nuts in one of the doors

Metal coffin. 😆

Is it Alpin?

Must be - isn't lethargy one of the symptoms of his vice?

Houns - Member

Anorexia should do it

Beaten to it 🙁

'wrongful door's'....he's making you look a sap.

I simply wood knot put up with this.

Ply him with drink first?

We had a carpenter do some work, hanging doors and a building a side board cover for the radiators. He did an alright job with the doors (though didn't join in the door frame) but made a complete mess with the bathroom. Told him to come back which he did 3 weeks later. He did a crap rush job cause he was going to the lake district for the weekend.
Ended with him being told to just get out as he was making things worse. Worse still didn't put the bath back properly and it drained into the light fitting down stairs.
I ride past his house on the way to work.

Thanks Peeps, lots of very constructive ideas, now if he's only answer my phone calls I might be able to play singletrack bingo in our parting discussion.

Given the work outstanding I'm going to hold £200 quid. I think the cheeky ****er has been using my saw as well.

You might want to tell your decorator his mate is crap. It might reflect badly on him...

Show him the door

He's not been working solid for all that time

Are you paying him for laminate working?

You might want to tell your decorator his mate is crap. It might reflect badly on him...

I expect he's recommended a mate and already knows.

You didn't say if you had paid him anything already. Assuming he said I'll do the works for £1800 and you said yes then you have a contract. He hasn't done the work yet so unless you agreed payment terms I would say you don't owe him anything. He would need 'reasonable time' to do the work and only a judge would decide what that was. The works are everything not most of it. If it were me, I would get another reputable carpenter to give me a quote for doing/redoing the outstanding work and deduct this from the original amount and tell him all that.
As suburbanreuben said - def tell his decorator mate that it wasn't good.

That is actually quite a lot of work for £600 labour charge; Three doors, linings and architraves, plus skirting (how much?), all fitted and oiled. And he's replaced a door for free, supposedly.
Have a heart. He's given you ten days at £40 a day.
The price was always too cheap. A lesson learned for you both.

Hi Robin as one door opens another door closes,sometimes things dont go right and stuff goes wrong, youve had plenty of time to show him the door,negotiate what you think the job is worth and say goodbye.

ps beware of using oil based stains on oak faced doors, it lifts the veneer and usually the supplier want replace them, and want pay for new doors to be fitted either.

stevied - Member

Does he only work 'rainy days and Mondays'?

Sorry, but that's ****ing funny.

ou didn't say if you had paid him anything already. Assuming he said I'll do the works for £1800 and you said yes then you have a contract. He hasn't done the work yet so unless you agreed payment terms I would say you don't owe him anything. He would need 'reasonable time' to do the work and only a judge would decide what that was. The works are everything not most of it.

Er, you don't need a judge to work out that "quantum meruit" would be Karen Carpenter's pretty swift response to that.

Have a heart. He's given you ten days at £40 a day.
The price was always too cheap. A lesson learned for you both.

a) whose fault is that?
b) what about the other fifteen days he's pissed into the wind?

If it was a mate doing a favour I'd totally agree. Hiring the services of a "professional" not so much.

a) whose fault is that?
b) what about the other fifteen days he's pissed into the wind?

If it was a mate doing a favour I'd totally agree. Hiring the services of a "professional" not so much.

As project says, the OP has had plenty of time to spot he's not a "professional" and do something about it.
One could argue it is his fault for not being on top of things.

If his name's Karen offer him a bacon sarnie....

Is his work good or would you look down on his creations?

Has he nearly finished the job or only just begun? I mean did he start the job long ago or only yesterday?

I'd be completely becontree mad (two stops past barking), take a leaf out of my book and give him the chop.

Wood that it were so simple...

It sounds as if the 'carpenter' took the job on not realising what exactly it entailed. Sounds like a new guy trying to get into the trade.
Have a word with the fella that recommended him; things may become a little clearer.

He has given you double the time he and you expected; I'd put it down to experience, and pay him the agreed amount ... none of you win, but atleast there would be no hard feelings if you ever met again somehow.

A case of warped expectations; he's trying to branch out and you're barely coping with the growth period?

Just tell him he's a plank.

How do you know the doors are "wrongful" ? Do they swing a bit too far in one direction ??

edit: shakers got there first.

How do you know the doors are "wrongful" ? Do they swing a bit too far in one direction ??

They don't Close to You. 🙂

😆 bravo!

edit, should have left that in wordnumb, made me chuckle.

This hinges on the standard of the work and how you handle it. Tell him he's being a knob and he's in the frame for Rogues Gallery on Watchdog.