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What is it about this guy? I think the Prison Service lost about 12 detainees out of custody last year. Their loss perhaps made local news certainly not national news.
This man was on remand at a Cat2 prison and gets himself out (Not good) but the media presumably stoked by the 'authorities' have gone berserk. The 'authorities' themselves seem very keen to catch him. Putting all airports and ports on alert. The Government also appear to be going into meltdown.
I know he's a suspected terrorist (Really very very bad) and is suspected of giving info to a foreign power. But I suggest that at 21 years old he can't be a modern-day Kim Philby.
Is there more to this than we are being told?
By the sounds of it he's been charged under the Terrorism Act, but it relates to a bomb hoax/fake bomb rather than an actual bomb. Calling him an 'escaped terrorist' sounds like the perfect way to make sure he can claim he won't get a fair trial. Then again, absconding from prison while on remand isn't exactly helpful to his case either.
My guess is that the authorities are far more interested in punishing his alleged breaches of the Official Secrets Act, but the 'terrorism' label is helpful in getting the public looking out for him.
He certainly seems like an enterprising and resourceful lad...
Is there more to this than we are being told?
Have you noticed how there's very little government incompetence in the news today?
What celebrity can we expect to take him a 4-pack of stella and a bag of chips, as is traditional, when he is eventually tracked down?
I think the storey here is why was he in a cat B prison and not a cat A. I'm sure it wasn't down to chronic underfunding and mismanagement.
<p style="text-align: left;">30,000 a year to be a prison guard, no wonder they have staffing issues.</p>
Must have had help from the inside. Surely you can't get out and strap yourself the underside of a truck with help??....
As dangeourbrain has said perhaps we all need to be focused on something else for a couple of days…
Must have had help from the inside. Surely you can’t get out and strap yourself the underside of a truck with help??….
I would imagine it was a well planned and orchestrated operation, from the truck ( being to be able to get under it and fixing himself into position to it not being searched on the way out ).
Just watching the news now , they seem to think he might just pop up somewhere 🙄
More pressing is why he wanted out of there ( or why someone else wanted him out of there )
Maybe I’ve been watching too much telly, but these things always have people on the inside making things run smooth
Is there more to this than we are being told?
Wasn’t he also selling intelligence?
Maybe I’ve been watching too much telly, but these things always have people on the inside
I'm pretty sure a prisoner break needs someone who's inside. Otherwise it would just be "man hitches lift on underside of van"
I'm surprised a 21 year old had any intelligence to sell ?
Dead cat, innit?
They probably let him out to smother the news cycle about the government being utter ****-wits
Judging by the utterly hapless parliamentary statement by the government junior minister this afternoon (he basically posed a series of questions he had no answers to), who was then torn to shreds by his opposition shadow, they’ve clearly not thought this through.
To be fair to (suspected) terrorism bloke, it all sounded very ‘Escape from Colditz’
Was he actually working for MI5 all along, is that what @revs1972 is hinting?
I’m surprised a 21 year old had any intelligence to sell ?
How old was Edward Snowden?
Chelsea manning was 23...
Not sure who Khalife served with but at the moment even an infantry private would have a good chance of being exposed to various things going out to Ukraine, even if that's just operational knowledge of javelin teams.
If he was sigs or the like he could easily have seen or enabled all sorts of stuff.
I actually have a bit of expertise in this field..
What they need to be doing is a hard target search of every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse and doghouse..
Plus checkpoints up at 15 miles..
I’m surprised they havent called me to lend a hand yet tbf..
Not sure who Khalife served with but at the moment even an infantry private would have a good chance of being exposed to various things going out to Ukraine, even if that’s just operational knowledge of javelin teams.
If he was sigs or the like he could easily have seen or enabled all sorts of stuff.
All you need is a Discord login and a copy of War Thunder and a desire to win arguments on the internet 🙂
All you need is...
a desire to win arguments on the internet
Ah that's us lot on a list then.
If he was sigs or the like he could easily have seen or enabled all sorts of stuff
When my great uncle was that age he was called up for national service. As he was a smart guy he spent the first 6 months at a bootcamp learning Russian, and the next 6 months translating intercepted Russian air force radio - he must have heard some pretty mad stuff!
If he was sigs or the like he could easily have seen or enabled all sorts of stuff.
Maybe, but as he wasn't in a specialist unit, it's doubtful anything he got his hands on was particularly spicy.
He was pulling data from JPA which is defence's admin system. But even then the data you have access to is controlled and can be audited.
He sounds like a ****ing turd, bottom third material, but they slip through as the net has big holes.
Wandsworth has 1 in 3 staff positions vacant, it has a capacity of 900 prisoners but currently holds 1600
Since 2010 £900 million has cut from the prisons budget , there are 4000 less prison staff, with the same number of prisoners
im amazed this doesn't happen more often
Someone on the news said he’s very intelligent to escape from here, I’m guessing he probably is but really got the sense they were making him out to be a mastermind rather than this happened because of total incompetence with the system and chronic staff issues at Wandsworth.
Have you noticed how there’s very little government incompetence in the news today?
This is fast becoming the "fake news" for the left. In the same way that anything done by right-wing actors has by default become a deep state fake or a secret service plants dead cat news stories to obfuscate has become the default reaction for the left.
I'd imagine that a prison service stretched paper thin by redundancies, loss of expertise, crippling budget reductions and crumbling infrasture is going to be easier to escape from that the alternative.
Maybe, but as he wasn’t in a specialist unit, it’s doubtful anything he got his hands on was particularly spicy.
Have they said who he was with, can't say I've looked hard but I hadn't seen anything in the news beyond "former soldier".
This is fast becoming the “fake news” for the left.
Sorry I had typed it with fingers dripping in sarcasm but it didn't make it to screen.
Sorry I had typed it with fingers dripping in sarcasm but it didn’t make it to screen
👍
Apologies, tone's almost impossible to detect.
Maybe this is some sort of special forces initiation test.
1. Be put in prison.
2. Escape.
3. live undetected for one month.
4. Return to barracks.
Maybe this is some sort of special forces initiation test.
Channel 4 reality TV show?
Channel 4 reality TV show?
Lots of black Land Rovers around today? Let's see how good those Hunters are...
BBC were in all seriousness playing bits of an interview from one of the "crack team of experts" from the TV show 'Hunted' with their news coverage of this incident this morning. If the guy stays at large for a while there may be a cash prize waiting for him, or a career opportunity in the media. Charlie Brooker couldn't make this up!
BBC were in all seriousness playing bits of an interview from one of the “crack team of experts” from the TV show ‘Hunted’
I belive prior to his gig on TV he was a senior leics. police officer dealing with this sort of stuff, so not just a TV celeb.
I suspect getting comment on how, where and why they're searching from officers actively involved in a search has been a bit more difficult for the beeb since Cliff Richard made such a fuss.
I was just thinking they’d just need to get the Hunted team on the case, just a little luck with the CCTV network, a phone hack on a close friend, a close call at a caravan park and they’ll have him in the next 24 hours, simples.
I was planning a quick ride in Richmond Park on Sunday morning.
What tyres for catching terrorism suspects?
I seem to recall bombers were fine with all but fat tyres
It did seem a bit odd that they immediately started checking ports
Allegedly (telehgraph) he was seen getting into a getaway car
Is there a secret network of Iranian spys running around?
I wonder if those pesky people-smugglers we hear so much about offer trips heading in the other direction?
No need to bother with the ports and airports, just pick a beach in Kent
Is there a secret network of Iranian spys running around?
Wouldn't be very good if they were overt about it would they?
They'd spend all their time fending off government ministers with their hands out and not get any actual spying done.
Good article on it here by a former governer. Not all terrorist prisoners are put in Cat A jsails.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/whos-really-to-blame-for-the-wandsworth-jailbreak/
From my experience in a previous job driving 7.5 ton vans in and out of jails he would not necessarily have needed inside help to get out. When the vans are in the vehicle dock being searched there is a mirror on a trolley which is shoved briefly under the van to check the underside. Always looked to me that it was done as much for the CCTV cameras as to actually look. The prison staff are searching vehicles all day. It's human nature that attention drops.
The question for me is what risk assessment allowed him to get a plum job like working in the kitchen? One of the few places in the prison where outsiders - delivery drivers - mix with cons and where cons have access to vehicles.
The prison staff are searching vehicles all day. It’s human nature that attention drops.
Wandsworth prison currently has 35% of its staffing position unfulfilled, on top of that the Grayling reforms actively got rid of long serving prison officers, turnover is now huge, there are no experienced staf
Wandsworth is supposed to hold 900 prisoners, it currently hold 1600
<p style="text-align: center;">£900 million has been taken from the prison budget since 2010 & theres 4000 less staff for a bigger prison population</p>
Have they said who he was with, can’t say I’ve looked hard but I hadn’t seen anything in the news beyond “former soldier”.
Royal Signals, the barracks he was at houses two signal regiments, the 9ne he was in provides Comms support to a logistics brigade, although still has access to restricted information, doubtful anything spicy.
If he was from a specialist unit he would have been in a very deep hole having his access to external visitors and communications controlled.
He's just a shitbird that has gone a bit rogue.
Is there a secret network of Iranian spys running around?
Probably. It's a game.
Remember after Salisbury? 14 undeclared Russian agents were expelled/outed by May.
Saw a FB chat between an army friend and his mates, suggesting that as he was in the Royal Signals, there's more chance of him being comfy in a Premier Inn rather than a bivvy in Richmond Park
Saw a FB chat between an army friend and his mates, suggesting that as he was in the Royal Signals, there’s more chance of him being comfy in a Premier Inn rather than a bivvy in Richmond Park
Accurate. 😂
Is there a secret network of Iranian spies running around?
More than likely.
Along with Russian, Chinese, French, Australian, in fact just about everyone will have someone in the UK hoping to glean some sort of information they can use for themselves.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66760997
a police helicopter has been scouring areas of south-west London overnight.
Surely this is just urinating into the wind of the heli rotors?
He described Mr Khalife as resourceful, adding he had learned "basic survival skills" in the Army - including how to keep clean, find water and read maps.
Love the media. We teach that to everybody for ****s sake.
We also teach scouts and guides it.
And those chimps wondered why we gave them so much shit on tour. 😂
He described Mr Khalife as resourceful, adding he had learned “basic survival skills” in the Army – including how to keep clean, find water and read maps.
That's a very particular set of skills...
Kid's only young though so he's not had a very long career to acquire them.
😉
He described Mr Khalife as resourceful, adding he had learned “basic survival skills” in the Army – including how to keep clean, find water and read maps.
Wow, such extensive training 🤣 You'd be hard pressed to find anybody without those skills 🤣
Watch out Rambo, we have a new kid in town 🤣
Interesting update that he’s been spotted with a change of outfit -black baseball cap and T-shirt and ‘dark coloured clothes on his legs’
has he raided Edie Bouvier Beale‘a wardrobe?
Half heard an interview on radio 4 need last night, he was described as "not knowing his arse from his elbow but he's quick at the hundred metres so he might be hard to catch." I'm pretty sure it was the news and not the quiz show after!
Chiswick eh? I'd have thought ex signals would have found somewhere colder greyer and wetter to spend their time.
He didn't get very far at all.
He did the hard bit extremely well but didn't seem to have a clue after that.
There's nothing the bleeps can get right. Such a disappointment.
There’s nothing the bleeps can get right. Such a disappointment.
I'm offended...
From the guardian:
The justice secretary, Alex Chalk, said that he will leave “no stone unturned” in the investigation
No point looking under stones. Maybe time to start looking under vans?
No point looking under stones. Maybe time to start looking under vans?
Interesting update that he’s been spotted with a change of outfit -black baseball cap and T-shirt and ‘dark coloured clothes on his legs’
BREAKING NEWS!
Met Police have forgotten the word for trousers.
On a bike, but caught only a handful of miles away from where he started after a few days of effort. I wonder if he posts on here?
BBC reporting that he's been caught. Grabbed whilst cycling on a tow path. Bloody cyclists, escaping from prison and going on the run!
Grabbed whilst cycling on a tow path.
Yeah but was he wearing a helmet?!
pulled off bike whilst on a tow path.
He's probably glad it was a plain clothes officer given how that sentence normally ends.
Yeah but was he wearing a helmet?!
I don't think plain clothes officers wear those. Be a bit of a giveaway really.
I hope they charge him with bike theft too.
Straight out of Hunted - Towpath, bike.
just read he was pulled off on a towpath.
No mention of Lionel Blair though
What is it about this guy? I think the Prison Service lost about 12 detainees out of custody last year. Their loss perhaps made local news certainly not national news.
how many do they lose that close to mediaville in London though? Big local news story in London is national news!
Add a terror link (irrelevant if he’s a real terrorist or spy or just a wannabe and now we definitely have a good story. Once the media are on it like that the home office and the cops need to make a big deal. These things become self perpetuating too - a clickable headline like “terror suspect escapes” will get traffic and therefore becomes a big story - it’s no longer about what the editor thinks we want, it’s about the drivel that people actually want.
escaping from a prison isn’t actually the hard bit (he’s proven that) it’s getting to and surviving somewhere once you are out, with no money, no contacts/network, no phone, and your face in the media. I’d bet half of all prison escapees end up going to friends/family. If you are a hardened criminal they might help/hide you. If you are a 21 yr old ex squaddie you aren’t going to have many options and if he is an Iranian spy he is unlikely to be helped by them as it would disclose their network.
he doesn’t necessarily need to be leaking the utmost secure details - there’s political value in being seen to make an example of him to deter others. Similarly showing that escaped prisoners “even with military training” get caught is a deterrent to stop others who might be tempted in times when prisons are poorly resourced etc.
BBC reporting that he’s been caught. Grabbed whilst cycling on a tow path. Bloody cyclists, escaping from prison and going on the run!
perhaps he’s been watching Happy Valley
😜
Well it’s pretty clear that he isn’t an Iranian spy, given I imagine they’d probably have made at least some effort to lend him a hand after he’d done a runner..maybe they provided him with a bike so he could make his way over the border to freedom
given I imagine they’d probably have made at least some effort to lend him a hand after he’d done a runner.
Probably into the canal
He had quality provisions though. Arrested with a Waitrose shopping bag of food…
@tpbiker - or he is, but this was all an elaborate double bluff so they can tell the jury “clearly not working for a rogue state”.
personally I doubt Tehran has much interest in helping “junior” spy’s who get caught. People spying for Tehran are probably not incentivised by the possibility that if you get caught you’ll get smuggled out to Iran and live a life of luxury in the extreme religious dictatorship…
Even if they did want to help him, given it took half the met 4 days to find him, I’m not sure how a couple of Iranian spy’s were supposed to find him, unless you believe it was all a carefully planned and orchestrated activity! If it was I don’t think we need to fear Iranian espionage!
the bbc headline is amazing this morning: Daniel Kahlife remains in custody after arrest.
IF there IS a government spin doctor pumping this story up I think it’s probably to give the impression that he is a clever spy with specialist training who managed to escape and that the public needn’t worry because murders, burglars and rapists are all quite secure. I’m sure that if you want to escape from a British prison it’s not impossible.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66765759
And some real spies have been arrested!
A No 10 spokesperson said: "The prime minister met Premier Li Qiang and conveyed his significant concerns about Chinese interference the UK's parliamentary democracy."
the bbc headline is amazing this morning: Daniel Kahlife remains in custody after arrest.
That made me laugh when i first saw it. Are they having a daily count to see how long he lasts this time?
He had quality provisions though. Arrested with a Waitrose shopping bag of food…
That's what happens if you hole up in Chiswick. Needs must, and Whole Foods in Richmond would be too risky what with them focusing on the park there
That made me laugh when i first saw it. Are they having a daily count to see how long he lasts this time?
Khalife vs Truss vs a lettuce anyone?
Arrested with a Waitrose shopping bag of food…
Clearly got a taste for quinoa and artisanal sourdough in the prison kitchens at Wandsworth.
He has pled not guilty to the escape.
Hopefully they will report his explanation of how he ended up outside.