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So I'm looking for ideas from the forum hive mind.
Looking for ideas for a 2+2 coupe for a second car...Fancy something a bit more interesting/ less practical in my life.
- Not necessary hardest core driving experience. Prefer something that's a good cruiser
- Needs to have a bit of style (I get that this is a bit subjective...but not a 2 door corolla!)
- Budget is about 5k
- Has to be a 2+2 for occasional child ferrying
- Otherwise used for commuting a couple of days a week, so needs to be reasonably reliable...
- Ideally ULEZ compliant
Thoughts so far:
- Peugeot RCZ...but it's a bit unreliable by accounts
- VW sirocco ... but it's a bit dull
- Ford Puma 1.7...but...rust. Though if I could find a rust free, treated one?
That's all the ideas I have. Not a stealth fishing request, btw, I just really want some more ideas...
BMW 6-series? Definitely subjective for style but I love the look. Also the convertible version available if that floats your boat. Proper amount of space in the back seats for 2 as well.
Audi TT?
Had a puma. X reg. Bought it at 3 years old and kept it for 8. The most fun per £ car I’ve ever owned. Our kids were 5 and 2 when I got it. Could just squeeze us all in. Or if not I could get a bike in with wheels off. Not sure that would be possible with a lls 29er… The rear arches rusted. The air con packed up. Other than that it never let me down. If I could buy that low mileage 3 year old car again tomorrow I would.
I replaced it with a Mazda RX8. Funky rear doors and rwd. Amazing to drive if you really wanted to ring its neck on b roads. But dull below 4000rpm and you can’t put a bike in the back. I sold it after a year because of the 17mpg and £450 a year road fund licence. It was my daily driver only about 8000 miles a year but 4000 miles a year too many. Perfect second car. Dunno about ulez though…
Neighbour had an rcz and liked it. I think they look cool. Then he retired and has bought a Lexus rc300h. That is lurvly but also £££
I'd have another Rover Coupe Turbo in a heartbeat. No idea if ULEZ though.
LOL - this is me at the minute!
Not sure if ULEZ, but...
Audi TT is the obvious one.
C Class Mercs are available at this price too...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303064939051?advertising-location=at_cars&sort=price-desc&radius=1500&make=Mercedes-Benz&postcode=s417up&body-type=Coupe&model=C%20Class&include-delivery-option=on&fuel-type=Petrol&price-to=5500&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&page=1
I'm currently running around in a FN2 Civic Type R - I keep looking but struggle to find something as fun [i]and[/i] practical to replace it with. You could get a nice sorted one for £5k. Looks are marmite though and cruising is a bit frenzied(!), you pull over 4000 revs at 70mph on motorways. And according to TfL ULEZ compliant.
I’d have another Rover Coupe Turbo in a heartbeat. No idea if ULEZ though.
You'd struggle find a nice one under £5k now though.
...he said reliable!! 🤣🤣
A mate of mine had a fiat coupe turbo around 1999/2000. He had graduated from golf gti 16v etc etc. I always thought it looked stunning.
Agreed I wouldn’t want to risk owning one now though!
A couple of my friends had the Fiat Coupes. Yes they were stunning but not terribly reliable even when new IIRC.
I had a Mk2 Scirocco, way slower and less refined - but arguably almost as nice to look at?
Anyway, back to the OP...
Toyota Celica?
Does look a lot better than a Corolla but hopefully similar in reliability.
2 series bmw, all manner of silly engines available
Suzuki Jimny
406 V6.
I test drove one second hand when it was $45k & again ten years later when it was $10k. Still would if I had room to keep it.
I’d have another Rover Coupe Turbo in a heartbeat. No idea if ULEZ though.
More worried about their penchant for going sideways.
They used to be on the company car scheme at a place i worked, rumour was they kept upping the minimum age to get one, until it maxed out at 30. Because they were loosing a handful a month to ditches.
Then they took it off altogether. (And stopped making it soon after.)
To put it into perspective, a couple of years later when i joined aged 26, i could have got a 550bhp RWD sports saloon on the same scheme, no issues (well, except for the lease being about half my salary).
Audi A5?
£2290. Saw one of these yesterday and thought what a nice little car it was. Somewhat shocked to find out that production stopped in 2006.
Alfa Romeo Brera - best looking car for the money, rear space is crap but you can wedge some kids in if you have to.
3.2 v6 q4 - heavy, not that fast, tax is silly, does crap mpg, isn't a proper Busso v6 but it's still better than the fwd cars imo.
Used ours to tow the race car, was also pretty handy around Donington Park in the wet.
Opposite of the Alfa but what about a BMW E92 335i? Great engine, reliable, well built but bit dull looking. Can be properly quick with minor mods.
180bhp Megane coupe? £5k would get you a 60-plate with not astronomical miles. Handle amazingly. Not really a coupe - more a compromised hatch.
Brera's a good shout. Handy with spanners OP?
I’ve had 2 Audi TT, the back seats are really just for decoration, especially the one behind the driver. Very limited headroom too. Lovely cars to drive though, I’d still have one if you could get an mtb in the back of it… You can get a road bike in tho.
Had a toyota celica for quite a few years. loved it
Volvo C30? Questionable looks from the rear but the T5 variant will make up for that 🙂
nwgiles
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2 series bmw, all manner of silly engines available
£5k?
Audi A4 would make a better cruiser than a TT. BMW 3 series E92 Coupe/Cabrio? Mercedes CLK 350? The last one might be too much of an old man stretch.
The Celica is NOT a cruiser, especially with the T-sport. The engine is at 3500-4000rpm at motorway speeds and the sound deading is minimal. over 6200RPm it's a real hoot, but below that it's merely okay.
Some good ideas here. (Apart from the Rover coupe 😬)
I'd thought all TT were 2 seats only, but that's just the roadsters. Could be a good shout. And a Celica as well... A bit less obvious than a TT.
Not too much if a mechanic though so probably not the brera.
Can't be too showy or big, which probably rules out BMW or Merc...
Porsche 924 or (maybe) 944?
The advantage of hatched back coupes is you can normally get bikes in them.
If you're tall you may struggle to get even kids behind you in most 2+2s, but they work well as 1+2 with both kids on the passenger side.
Jag, BMW 1/3/4/6/8 series, Volvo C70, Audi A5 might all be within budget
Not too much if a mechanic though so probably not the brera.
Why would you need to be a mechanic? No more or less reliable than anything else mentioned.
Left field option but what about a JDM Nissan Skyline 350gt? Essentially a 2+2 350z so easy enough to maintain and being an import would be cheap to tax.
VW sirocco … but it’s a bit dull
You're driving it wrong if you think a Sirocco is dull.
I was going to suggest a Nissan 200 sx but just looked at the prices 😳
You need a 6 litre GTR, maaaaate.
(Holden Torana with a 6.0L V8 LS2 from a Corvette C6)
Might not be ULEZ...
I briefly owned a mk1 TT Quattro and it was a very, very nice car to sit in and to drive, but they're more of a 2+²
I’d still have one if you could get an mtb in the back of it…
I had a large Banshee Prime in the back of mine, so you have no excuse.
Mégane 225? They're meant to be a hoot. Never even sat in one but a guy at work had one and raved about it.
Skyline 350GT/Infiniti G35? Always liked the look of these and effectively a 4 seat 350Z so should be good in both the fun and noise departments.
Another Celica vote here - I had one as an only car for several years. Good to drive as it’s both light and designed from the ground up as a sporty coupe. Reliable - did 100K in mine with no issues of note. Also a hatchback so good for bikes in the back etc. probably getting harder to find a good one now though.
Mine, back in the day
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VW sirocco … but it’s a bit dull
You’re driving it wrong if you think a Sirocco is dull.
That's what I came here to say, our 62 plate TSI GT with DSG is very real world fast. Super comfy on long hauls too and can get 2 bikes in the back.
Don’t forget the compact offerings from both bmw f mercedes from a few years back.
The 3 series compact & Mercedes C Class Sports Coupe & then the CLC
That’s what I came here to say, our 62 plate TSI GT with DSG is very real world fast. Super comfy on long hauls too and can get 2 bikes in the back.
That may all be true but it's effectively a 3 door golf, in the same way the astra gtc is a 3 door astra and the Mégane coupe is a 3 door Mégane. That gives it extra practicality, but it's less special than the TT (which is based on the same platform)
Oh yeah, agreed. I've got a MK2 16v Golf for special 😃
Just buy a cheap Puma 1.7. My wife has had one for over 10 years and it's huge fun to drive if you hold the gears and let the Zetec engine's variable valve timing do its thing.
It's also been boringly reliable. However, she's about to move it on in favour of a Fiesta Ecoboost 1.0 turbo ST. It still runs great but it's looking a bit rough...
6 series was my first thought too - 630i is not terrible on fuel, great cruiser, and I think they're all ULEZ compliant (euro 4).
TT v6 would be a great option too.
You need a 6 litre GTR, maaaaate.
(Holden Torana with a 6.0L V8 LS2 from a Corvette C6)
Might not be ULEZ…
You'd be surprised. No idea how or why, but my previous Monaro with the same engine (VE05 XBN) was ULEZ compliant despite CO2 emissions of 384g/km.
6 series was my first thought too – 630i is not terrible on fuel, great cruiser, and I think they’re all ULEZ compliant (euro 4).
They've really grown on me. I owned a Z4 for 5+ years pre-kids. Those aren't feasible now with kids, but that era of 6 series has aged beautifully IMO. M54 (or is it N52) engine. Plenty of space for the kids. Not a sports car, more a cruiser. High VED is the downside.
It's the N52.
Not necessary hardest core driving experience. Prefer something that’s a good cruiser
Check. superb, in fact I'd say the best of what I can see has been mentioned so far. Remember the CLK was E-class level, not C-class level, it was replaced by the 212 shape E class coupe.
Also, pillarless in Summer. Dreamy.
Needs to have a bit of style (I get that this is a bit subjective…but not a 2 door corolla!)
Check.
Budget is about 5k
Check.
Has to be a 2+2 for occasional child ferrying
Check - excellent - really good usable back seats in these.
Otherwise used for commuting a couple of days a week, so needs to be reasonably reliable…
Check. Simple, Naturally Aspirated Engine. Proven, relaible 7g Tronic box. Galvanized facelift body. Cheap parts from Merc. Simple to service and run.
Ideally ULEZ compliant
No idea.
Lovely thing. I've got a permanent search on for for an extremely rare facelift CLK500 with the 7g-tronic and 5.5 M273 lump.
I'd get the 6speed 200bhp Celica with that glorious Yamaha engine.
The VVtli lump gives 190hp if your lucky and only at the very top of the rev range. And you have to change up at over 7000rpm to stay in valve lift. Good fun swapped into an MR-2 or in an Elise on a trackday but literally the complete opposite driving experience that the OP asked for.
I've had a Puma (with the 1.7 Yamaha engine) and a Mk2 Audi TT (2.0 petrol). Both fun cars, but the only one I would have in a heartbeat is the Audi - easily the most fun car I have ever owned by some distance.
If you read my message I started it by saying it's what I would get.
The VVtli lump gives 190hp if your lucky and only at the very top of the rev range
nerd mode here, but the TRD celica (can be imported from japan) had 200bhp at stock. Was up there with the integra type r, but no-one over here knows about it
I wouldn't say the celica is a bad choice for the op - getting maximum performance out of one requires commitment, but its a toyota, based on the same platform as the prius, so it'll be fairly chill over longer distances - its not exactly an arial atom.
@snotrag, that W209 is exactly the sort of car I'm trying not to look at (and failing). I don't need one. So much car for the same price as a nice MTB.
I've got a 2016 BMW 640D Gran Coupe, lovely car! Looks better than the 2 door version, the proportions are just so right
Can go well when needed, but also fairly efficient-ish
The earlier version is a right dog looking thing!
TT coupe if kids are small enough to fit in the back.
Youll have plenty of change on a 5k budget, 2001 plus 1.8t will give you plenty of go and ulez compliant.
Our ancient 330i E92 is our family car, fits two rapidly growing teenagers in the back for now, ulez compliant, and with the seats down fits a bike in the back with the wheel off.
It's horrendously thirsty around town and scrapes on speed bumps but otherwise is aging well.
Re the recent Celica based input.
I had the 140BHP VVTi model and considered an upgrade to a 190BHP VVTLi model - one test drive showed it was worse 95% of the time. Sure the 190 had more power at the top end (6k rpm+) but the rest of the time has LESS torque and the Celicas issue wasn’t so much a lack of top end power but of everyday low end power (torque).
It’s based on run of the mill Toyota running gear (Yaris / Corolla / Prius etc) so discs, pads etc embarrassingly cheap. It is a very well engineered car. Where is matters it’s a purpose designed low slung sports car but where it doesn’t it is effectively a Yaris / Corolla I.E. cheap parts and lots of development money spent to ensure it works
Porsche 924 or (maybe) 944?
The advantage of hatched back coupes is you can normally get bikes in them.
You can get bikes in them. But you're going to need the early 944 2.5l or 2l 924 to be ULEZ/historic vehicle.
Unless you don't mind spannering or have deep pockets a 40yr old car might prove to be a bit of a pain. They were galvanised but it was a long time ago. They're pretty resilient things but can hide a world of pain.
I've had 3 944s and love my Turbo but I'd probably go for a Celica at that budget.
350Z - Cracking 3.5 6 cylinder, but might be a little rough for that price. I like Nissan petrol engines as they are bomb proof.
Quirky, left field suggestion. Renault Avantime!
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(Absolutely no idea what they're like to drive/own, and probably doesn't fit the brief, but certainly different to the other suggestions mentioned!)
Quirky, left field suggestion. Renault Avantime!
they could’ve at least unplugged the code reader before taking the photos
Was also going to suggest a Porsche 944, but think you've missed the boat on your budget.
Fiat Coupe
Early BMW 1 Series if you can find a decent petrol one
BMW 6 series looks good for a whole load of car.
If you can handle bigger tax / fuel bills then there are all sorts of interesting things about.
Ignoring the 2+2 element a 986 boxster is worth a look.
I’ve just bought fully loaded jeep grand Cherokee. It’s wonderfully (awfully) American and smokes about nicely. 100k miles on it and it was 5 grand or so.
I’ve just sold on an Alfa 159 - lotta style and practicality there…
Auto trader is your oyster but get something you look back on from the car park
I think some of the suggestions will need a contingency plan equivalent to the 5k budget for repairs, high road tax and 20mpg
I think some of the suggestions will need a contingency plan equivalent to the 5k budget for repairs, high road tax and 20mpg
fair observation! Buy well and you can get something that would have been very spendy and very special. But yes a Bork fund is necessity
But if you buy well you can do ok. I’ve just sold an Alfa 159 for 3.5k bought for 8k 5 years ago. Ok tyres were a bit pricey, and it needed a turbo replacement (£500) but overall it was circa a grand a year in depreciation which is fairly reasonable
OP: Toyota GT86.
(Or a Scooby BRZ)
FTFY
Re the recent Celica based input.
I had the 140BHP VVTi model and considered an upgrade to a 190BHP VVTLi model – one test drive showed it was worse 95% of the time. Sure the 190 had more power at the top end (6k rpm+) but the rest of the time has LESS torque and the Celicas issue wasn’t so much a lack of top end power but of everyday low end power (torque).
This is very true. Below 5000rpm, the T-sport with the 190VVTLI engine does perform noticeably worse than the 140bhp. For overtaking and general fun, there's no doubt the 190 is better, but in day to day driving and certainly on the motorway - nah. Even in 6th gear the 190 is over 3500RPM on the motorway and at ~80mpg is nearer 4000rpm. The drone becomes wearisome. The seats are supportive, but not comfortable.
Summary - for short journeys and fun, the VVTLI is where you want to be, for longer journeys,,,you probably want to buy something else entirely. I went from a T-sport to an E46 330ci. The e46 was a MUCH better car.
An E46 330ci is a nice 2+2, smaller than the E92 and still (to my eyes) looks good.
OP: Toyota GT86.
(Or a Scooby BRZ)
...not for £5000! 🙂
I think some people need to nip to a generic car ads site before making their suggestions.
350, GT86, 7 year old 640d, for 5k?
This isn't a 'say what car you've got for almost 1 of the OPs criteria'.
You get a lot of SAAB for your money...
Everybody is different but I think that Saab is hideous with lots of bad notes yet they still want good money
350z is a 2 seater,
gt86 is too expensive and the rear seats aren't really...
BMW 6 is a massive car and the OP already seat that an A4/BMW 330 is too big.
Based on the OPs specification and later clarification, it really has to be either a MK2 TT or a Scirocco. Nothing else really fits the bill of size, price, fun, petrol, etc. Saying that - I'm not sure I'd want to spend much time in the back of a TT. the seats are VERY upright and legroom is super tight.
The only other thing I can think of might be the RX8?
You get a lot of SAAB for your money…
Ruddy 'ell - if you tried a bit harder you could have found a worse example!! 🤣🤣
@snotrag, because of you I'm not deep in a rabbit hole of CLKs and scaring myself with tales of M272/273 engines and balancer shafts... do you know your Mercs, and are you much concerned about them?
(sorry OP, tried looking for direct messaging to reach snotrag but failed)
gt86 is too expensive and the rear seats aren’t really…
they are a bit out of budget (can get a ratty cat- for 7 or 8k). The seats are fine for kids for shorter journeys though, or journeys of any length if used as a 1+2 (2 kids on the passenger side). My wife and I are both >6' and we can go 4-up for journeys under an hour with our 4 & 6 year olds in the back. Can get a 8' surfboard or bike inside (front wheel off)
Fiat 500 Abarth
There is a special edition one just listed on Facebook near me (Seaford) with 50k miles for 5k
no idea who the seller is but looks pretty good to me! 165bhp in something the size of a roller skate
cheap to own and fairly reliable
not sure about getting a bike in though….
5 grand comfy 2+2 cruiser… Gotta be a Jag XKR…
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302084052488
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202107124931399
It’ll cost a sodding fortune to keep on the road though.
Fiat 500 Abarth
Was thinking of suggesting that actually. Not really a 2+2 but bloody brilliant as a tiny hot hatch. My alpines fitted in nicely in both of mine though one did make a mess of the carbon fibre seats.
Adding a 500 is opening it up to a whole world of hot hatches which I guess the OP is not after otherwise they would have asked. And if so loads of hot hatches fit the requirement other than the key one of being a 2+2 coupe of course...
It's like the OP has been monitoring my current auto trader search filters. Our aged Yaris runabout is reaching that time in its life where the looming mot may ask difficult questions about rust suspension mounts.
I had a 1.7 Puma and an EP3 TypeR once upon a time. I've an urge to recapture that bit of my youth. £5k gives lots of options, but seemingly just as many compromises.
I had a t-sport Celica for a while. As a second car it's plenty quiet enough but as it was my only car I did sell it to move on to something with cruise control and quietness. It was excellent bike lugger as you could walk down the side of the car to load into the long flat hatch. I put a fart cannon on for a laugh before driving all the way to Pyrenees. The tunnels and mountain passes were hilarious but the motorway was horrendous at that volume... Hands down best engine I've owned though, 8200rpm is addictive.
Quirky, left field suggestion. Renault Avantime!
That is a very bad idea if you want something reliable. A friend has one and it rarely has nothing wrong with it. To start with they pop springs a lot and it's virtually impossible to get a replacement - despite being based on the espace(?), they changed A LOT to bespoke parts.
Fancy something a bit more interesting/ less practical in my life.
E-cargo bike. For that price you can buy new.
Car manufacturers spend a fortune selling a dream of freedom, fun, and escape but in reality you only get those things with a bike.
£5grand is nearly Maserati biturbo territory. 🤦🏻♂️
Did you want to actually drive it or pay a garage to keep it warm?
I agree Abarth 500 was a silly suggestion.
Slightly more modern and practical.