[Closed] England vs France - call it off or play...?

They should play, see no reason to call it off.

IMO it is too soon to be making rash decisions and displays of bravado, it is just a football match it can be played again at a later date.

Play, it's just a football match afterall.

Play it, IF the players are happy to play.

There's a serious principle here; nobody should allow terrorism to change their plans.

Anything to spare the nation another woefuly tedious, spirit-crushingly dull, tactically clueless performance by Woy's Boys would be a small mercy for all involved. But then giving us an absolute shoe-ing, which they inevitably will, should cheer the French up a bit, so why not?

Play.

Play, can't really see what it has to do with the terrorist attacks, and its at Wembley after all.

Bloody PLAY it

And have 80,000 Englishmen belt out La Marseillaise as loud as possible at the start.

followed by 5 mins of

allez les bleus

allez les bleus

Then we can go back to not liking them very much

There's a serious principle here; nobody should allow terrorism to change their plans.

How many lives is that principle worth if the crowd is attacked? The investigation is still ongoing, there could still be other attacks planned, lets see what can be found out first. It isn't giving in to take measured decisions and to avoid high risk scenarios following a weekend such as we have just had, it is doing the right thing.

I'm not a footballist and agree it will be as boring as... but play it or we are giving into intimidation and unnecessary scaremongering. Sympathy to all the victims of atrocity everywhere, but we have to get on with live so we have something positive to celebrate and look forward to.

Play

Then we can go back to not liking them very much

soon as they score the second goal

How many lives is that principle worth if the crowd is attacked? The investigation is still ongoing, there could still be other attacks planned, lets see what can be found out first. It isn't giving in to take measured decisions and to avoid high risk scenarios following a weekend such as we have just had, it is doing the right thing.

Thing is though, if they are planning an attack then if they don't attack what will obviously be a well defended target where then might they go? Do you "offer' them the chance of a spectacular with the possibility that your security measures will succeed & ergo catch them.....or do you let them wander off into the streets of London for softer & easier targets? If they have an attack planned then they are just as likely to go for a softer target if the primary isn't available.

It's a really hard call to make & I'm glad I'm not the one who has to make it.

IMHO it's not as easy as to whether we should be intimidated or not..

On principle I say play as we shouldnt be intimidated.

(Not a fan BTW!)

Ro5ey - Member
Bloody PLAY it

And have 80,000 Englishmen belt out La Marseillaise as loud as possible at the start.

followed by 5 mins of

allez les bleus

allez les bleus

Then we can go back to not liking them very much

*s****s

And have 80,000 Englishmen belt out La Marseillaise as loud as possible at the start.

Most of them don't even know the words to our own bloody national anthem...

it goes, dum der dum dum dum dum duuuuum dur dum

but if you dont know it the FA will put the words on the screen.
IMO - if they use my words ^ they will get everyone singing, if they put it up in french there will be as much head scratching as dur dur dumming.

Game on!

Most of them don't even know the words to our own bloody national anthem...

Maybe not, but I heard 'Jerusalem' sung at Old Trafford once, and it damn near moved me to tears. 😳

On a slight tangent; there should be a proper minutes silence before the match. Not a minutes applause.
It infuriates me that football has had to adopt this because there are f***wits who are incapable of keeping quiet during them and shout out abuse

Play

Let's also see some of the people who support the French by changing their FB profile picture do something more concrete which actually costs money and helps the French - like visiting Paris. 🙂

Play da game.

[quote=dragon said]Play, can't really see what it has to do with the terrorist attacks, and its at Wembley after all.

Not even given that the Stade de France, where the French national team were playing, was target on Friday ?

Play

was [b]a failed[/b] target on Friday

This match is at Wembley not in Paris. This is probably the safest time to hold it, as the security will be much tighter than normal. Playing sends out a bigger message than anything else, and London carried on after 7/7.

I take it you going to cancel all football matches from now on?

Aux armes, citoyens...
To arms, citizens...

Quoi ! des cohortes étrangères
What! Foreign cohorts

Feraient la loi dans nos foyers!
Would make the law in our homes!

Quoi ! Ces phalanges mercenaires
What! These mercenary phalanxes

Play

and

it goes, dum der dum dum dum dum duuuuum dur dum

That's the Archers 🙄 🙂

[quote=dragon said]

I take it you going to cancel all football matches from now on?

I'm for it going ahead.

I was surprised why you didn't see a link between the two events, that's all.

Play, The world still turns and will continue to do so.... this can happen at any time anywhere (I was in warrington the day before it was bombed so IMO nothing is safe in that respect). If people are motivated then they will find a target be it a football match or a town centre...

The only link is that a lot of people were in one place at one time. If you notice a concert was also targeted.

play

The French want to play the game, so we play.

Play. Defiance is the only appropriate response, anything else is a victory for the nutters.

I won't be singing La Marseillaise, but as a mark of respect I shan't be singing the rude version either (for once).

On a related note, all these spineless musicians who are cancelling gigs need to stop tweeting self-important guff, pick up their instruments and get on with the show. It matters.

ransos - Member

The French want to play the game, so we play.

Sounds like a winner. Doesn't matter what we want. Specific security risks aside anyway but even then, if it's a target then so is every other gathering.

On a related note, all these spineless musicians who are cancelling gigs need to stop tweeting self-important guff, pick up their instruments and get on with the show. It matters.

Yeah, shouty reactionary bravado, that's what is needed, **** allowing the security services time to analyse the events of the past few days, lets start labelling people cowards, its what the English disco lovers would want.

Yes you're right, we should just stop the Earth from turning until you decide it's okay to continue

Ro5ey - Member

Bloody PLAY it

And have 80,000 Englishmen belt out La Marseillaise as loud as possible at the start...

I'd agree and if the match does go ahead, i very much hope the English fans do join in with the French anthem.

It's a great shame anything has been cancelled - this disruption of Western culture is a win for the terrorists - but I can also sympathise with artists not feeling it right, proper or safe to perform.

Play of course.

I imagine there'll be some interesting singing all round.

Yeah, shouty reactionary bravado, that's what is needed, **** allowing the security services time to analyse the events of the past few days, lets start labelling people cowards, its what the English disco lovers would want.

I find myself in agreement with MSP here. Unless the security forces know more than they are letting on, thier duty is to protect us.

Talking of which the police will be armed with machine guns at Wembley tomorrow. Doesn't inspire much confidence does it?

I'm more inclined to want to keep my family safe and at the risk of sounding paranoid, so I really want to take them to Winter Wonderland next week?

*locks door*

Play. No about about it on the basis the security services are confident they can protect the venue.

Unless the security forces know more than they are letting on, thier duty is to protect us.

Sort of their job description really.

alking of which the police will be armed with machine guns at Wembley tomorrow. Doesn't inspire much confidence does it?

I wouldn't let that worry you, far more armed police around than perhaps you realise...e.g. Airports.

Sorry that post looks cack but hopefully you'll get my gist. Do g this from my phone.

 

Went to watch France v Ireland in the pre-qualifying-for-the-world-cup-by-being-cheating-handballing-bastards days. 🙂 The stadium was a good mix of Irish and French fans - about 35000 Irish fans from what I remember. They respected the Irish anthem really well - no booing, no whistles. So all the Irish fans joined in with the Marseillaise. Of course we didn't know the words so it was half French singing properly and half Irish just banging out La le la la la la La le laa...through the whole thing. Set the atmosphere for a really great evening. Loved that stadium.

I really hope the England fans do something similar tomorrow night. Screw the words, La le la will do just fine.

I'm at the match tomorrow, with my OH and stepson. My Dad was also going, but is unwell. The OH asked last night whether it would still be a good idea to go, I said "why not?"

I'll be trying to join in with La Marseillaise, but will make a complete pigs ear of it.

well thats just fine, fasthaggis.

my rendition of the archers will have them fuzzywuzzys not liking it up them.

Play, obviously. If an attack has been planned, and the game wasn't played, it would either be postponed and hit something other soft target in the future, or it would go ahead attacking an alternative target. Cancelling it would be giving them a victory, for free. And if they did try to attack Wembley, they re-heeeally wouldn't last long, with the focus so heavily on security as it is at the moment. Plus; they tried to get into the stade de France and failed miserably, without any prior warning. They'd have to demonstrate face cleverer tactics than they have so far to get anywhere near Wembley. Like, Bond villain level tactics.

the police will be armed with machine guns at Wembley tomorrow. Doesn't inspire much confidence does it?

*or whatever they call them these days

Fair play - sometimes you just have to leave cynicism at the door and say that those few moments at Wembley were very powerful. It's great to see what sport can do sometimes.

Great stuff, got a little dusty at one point. Nice that they seem to be singing ere we go in a minor key? I'll switch it off now, hate the game