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govt wishes to ban energy drinks.
i can agree with their argument about sugary drinks, but surely they're trying to put kids at an academic disadvantage by denying them access to caffeine?
The industrial work patterns that schools prepare kids for have no real equivalent in our natural human state.
In lieu of other performance enhancing drugs, this renders caffeine necessary to make it to the end of the day.
surely a key part of the curriculum should include 'making a proper cup of tea/ coffee'?
THAT would prepare the yoof for the real world.
I agree, ban them they are not beneficial.
I never had coffee or redbull when I did my exams or school work.
I did eat a lot of 54321 bars though...
Caffeine shouldn’t be necessary for kids, however banning the drink doesn’t solve the real issue which is kids going to bed too late and eating all types of crap and drink that stops them sleeping properly and keeps them up the night before
Good they're worse than glitter.
If it means less piles of Red Bull cans at jump areas, then bring on the ban.
but surely they’re trying to put kids at an academic disadvantage by denying them access to caffeine?
The industrial work patterns that schools prepare kids for have no real equivalent in our natural human state.
I'm sorry but what?
Happy to ban the sales to under 18s as a minimum,certainly they have no place in schools
Good they’re worse than glitter.
I (would have) LOLed (if only I had the energy)
At school Red Bull was not a thing, but it did come into play at uni a few years later. That was not a good thing.
Kids should avoid those kinds of drinks and focus on good quality coffee. It will stand them in better stead for later in life
About bloody time they banned them for kids.
A can of monster can send me a bit loopy, god knows what it does to an eight year old.
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Ha, I agree with you. My kids do ju-jitsu (I can't be bothered working out which spelling is correct at the moment.). A lot of the under 16s use energy drinks before competition, with parental approval. There are a lot of hyperactive kids at JJ comps!
In lieu of other performance enhancing drugs, this renders caffeine necessary to make it to the end of the day.
Caffiene doesn't function in the way you think it does
The industrial work patterns that schools prepare kids for have no real equivalent in our natural human state.
Whaaaaat?
If it means fewer cans of red Bull and Monster littering the roadside, bring it on.
My little boy made himself some cycling "beer" last week ,he sneaked into the secret stash and got to the SIS cola flavour tabs with caffiene.
Holy cow. Hyperactive ,whirling Dervish doesn't do it justice.
I had to lock him in the shed with the glitter, just to calm him down . 🙂
A full ban feels a bit thin end of a wedgy. Though banning them for under 18s probably is no bad thing.
My only concern is that kids are under so much pressure to do well in their A-Levels now, would they be pushed towards the likes of Adderall if they can't get a can of Red Bull when needed?
Banning Children would have a better effect.
A full ban feels a bit thin end of a wedgy
It's not a full ban.
Why do people think it's impossible to study without stimulants?
would they be pushed towards the likes of Adderall if they can’t get a can of Red Bull *when needed*?
Which is never.
Apparently these "energy" drinks have a similar amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee, and the same amount of sugar as any other sugary kids drink e.g. Coca Cola. It's the Red Bull Xtreme sports marketing and the sugar that is the problem. Luckily as the kids get fatter and fatter they will be no less suited to the trend to downhill sports, and the baggy clothing will do them more favours than lycra. Bring back ginger beer, I say.
Do people really see red bull cans littering the roadside? or am I reading the daily mail letters section.
Do people really see red bull cans littering the roadside?
Yes.
surely they’re trying to put kids at an academic disadvantage by denying them access to caffeine?
No, they aren't. Doesn't work like that.
No, they aren’t. Doesn’t work like that.
I'm guessing it depends on the kids present addictions?
I'd imagine that short term this would have a negative effect on some kids....
Do people really see red bull cans littering the roadside? or am I reading the daily mail letters section.
Do you really NOT see them? OK maybe not always Red Bull but Monster, Relentless, that cheap 35p a can Happy Shopper or whatever knock off it is. I'd happily see energy drinks banned purely for this reason but I guess the idiots would throw Coke cans on the ground instead. Stupid lazy people are stupid and lazy with or without energy drinks.
I’d imagine that short term this would have a negative effect on some kids
About a week.
Maybe you could beat them to death with your bar of superiority mister p,or your strap on.
Would a child with Type 1 Diabetes get a medical exemption certificate to allow them to purchase Lucozade if required to treat a hypo? I know there are other ways to treat them but sugary drinks are one of the best ways (Type 1 diabetes for 42 years that uses Lucozade as 1st stop to treat hypos)
Maybe you could beat them to death with your bar of superiority mister p,or your strap on.
if it reduced littering then I happily would.
Possibly, not said child could also buy glucose tablets if needed which my boss, also Type 1, swears by.
Would a child with Type 1 Diabetes get a medical exemption certificate to allow them to purchase Lucozade if required to treat a hypo?
No! Let the bastards die from lack of Red Bull as an example to the others. Or get a parent to buy it for them if that is really better than letting the child die, whichever is easier.
I think that the hyperactivity is due to the sugar content in EVERYTHING.
the govt needs to separate the effects of caffeine from sugar.
in our natural state we don't spend eight hours a day hunting/ gathering.
before the white man arrived, the native Americans had a fairly pleasant life, making art as part of their daily tasks.
a lot of the reasoning behind schools is to adapt the body to the 8-5.
when people are old enough to work, they find that caffeine is pretty much necessary
i tried to quit caffeine at work, but I was just going through the motions.
when I tried my first 'proper', I.e not freeze-dried coffee, I noticed that on a cognitive/ enzyme level, it had a profound and positive 'galvanising' effect.
on one level, the argument against energy drinks may come from the pharmaceutical industry, aware of the health benefits of caffeine.
on another level, it may be part of a backlash against children from deprived backgrounds who have have found a way to circumvent a lack of parental time and resources.
makes me think of the oddball strategy of awarding ever higher grades to a levels. You get an a in maths, it doesn't need to be suffixed with star, star, star.
whats the point to that, other than a badge of middle crassness?
cant believe the universities selections put up with that nonsense. Someone gets the necessary a levels...they're on an upward trajectory...so why get picky?
if the kids at school are hyperactive, maybe they should walk to school or do aerobics before class begins to take the edge off?
Back to the sugar...why is it taking so long to get the sugar out our food?
wheres the log-jam?
im pretty sure it's not the sugar-beer farmers who don't have much clout and could easily diversify to growing other crops.
or is it just a few greedy sugar refinery owners who are determining our diet and agriculture?
Would a child with Type 1 Diabetes get a medical exemption certificate to allow them to purchase Lucozade if required to treat a hypo?
I think they are talking about banning highly caffeinated drinks. AFAIK, lucozade is not a highly caffeinated drink.
Good they’re worse than glitter
but I thought Glitter was locked up?
Its rather sad that someone uses a proposal to ban something which really isn't that healthy for younger people as a way of somehow suggesting that this proposal will somehow adversely affect them (young people that is) in life.
Perhaps look at the reasons why they are so tired would be more benficial. Or just accept that if you're tired you need a break.
I do occasionally have a can of red bull, usually becuase I'm hung over or I've had a very early start (05:00) and I'm flagging. I'm not going to start stamping my feet and try and blame the government for my inability to manage my life properly.
About a week.
Are you certain or guessing ?
I can't stand the things but I know people with sleep issues can take ages to sort them out.
and people with addictions can find it hard to concentrate.
I might be putting 2 + 2 = 5 .... here but I'm thinking some kid who's sleep patterns are completely messed up and is itching for the drink when studying is going to take a while to adjust ...
Happy to ban the sales to under 18s as a minimum,certainly they have no place in schools.
This +1
However did the stuff get into schools in the first place ?
One of those vending machines perhaps?? Ban them too.
But it’s too late, if you reduce those machines in schools the parents would go apeshit.
So ban parents too.
Kids should avoid those kinds of drinks and focus on good quality coffee. It will stand them in better stead for later in life
and beards, they should be working on growing a beard and wearing checked shirts, whilst drinking quality coffee...
before the white man arrived, the native Americans had a fairly pleasant life, making art as part of their daily tasks.
Wait, so Red Bull is bad because of the pre-pastoral life enjoyed by by indigenous people was somewhat OK? (apart from y'know; war, disease, and short brutal lives marked by famine, stress and precarious stability etc..?)
Does Rachel know?
I use to live with the red bull sales rep for Scotland. We had a branded fridge full of the stuff and drunk it constantly, may as well have been on tap.
Truely disgusting stuff, I can't drink a sip nowadays without it making me feel sick.
He also wasn't able to aquire me one if those red bull branded helmets all the pros wear, something I have never forgiven him for....
Do people really see red bull cans littering the roadside? or am I reading the daily mail letters section.
I do a bit of litter picking in my village, you very rapidly form some very D.M. style stereotypes. I now judge people who drink/eat/enjoy the following:
1) Red Bull, Monster, A.N.Other energy drink brands
2) McDonalds
3) Strongbow Sickly Pink Berry Cider
4) Some weird polish lager in a yellow tin
5) Lucozade Sport (which puts my in a bit of a dilemma, I drink that from time to time!)
6) All smokers.
Trying to figure out the common factor and so far have only come up with YOUNG PEOPLE. Which is why I agree with surroundedbyhills
Banning Children would have a better effect.
When I was a pupil, I noticed that the kids who came to school with a flask of coffee were the most diligent and well-behaved.
Coincidentally, this was at a time when the only fat pupils were the children of newsagents or dairy farmers. (Force-fed surplus milk?...you'd be scared to bump into them in case their slushy carapace split open and they'd disappear down the drain.)
I think that by offering our yoof a sugar-free caffeinated drink, it may help transition them into a sugar-free adulthood.
that and changing the school motto to 'run & play'
and by the time they got back from school the caffeine would have worn off, and they'd be 'tired but happy'.
When I was a pupil, I noticed that the kids who came to school with a flask of coffee were the most diligent and well-behaved.
Yeah of course. 😂
Truely disgusting stuff, I can’t drink a sip nowadays without it making me feel sick.
I can't even bear the smell....
but it did come into play at uni a few years later. That was not a good thing.
in my day we used ProPlus...
The Green Monster tastes OK to me - for one period in intense work I used it a lot, nowadays I only use it when driving to avoid getting too tired, combined with some Wine Gums 🙂
It really does feel that the government has somewhat more pressing things it should be focusing its attention on. Rather than banning plastic (just, what?), banning pet store sales (hmmm) and banning energy drinks (as above, thin end of the wedge), how about not utterly screwing up Brexit?
Maybe they had received countless 'thick ears' each time they came home with a broken flask...
Hence the good behaviour...
Assume OP was joking about disadvantage
don't agree with bans. If people wanted to drink stuff that we know is shit and full of worse than that and if parents are happy the let their kids drink the same rubbish, then that's their look out.
By all means publicise what's in the crap but no need to ban it.
But the news is still running the 'teachers welcome the proposed ban on energy drinks'
which teachers?
and the news hasn't differentiated between caffeine and sugar. Two separate issues.
when people are old enough to work, they find that caffeine is pretty much necessary
What complete and utter bullshit! Do you really, really believe that? People can't work without caffeine?
By all means publicise what’s in the crap but no need to ban it.
They're not they're talking of an age limit you know just like alcohol.
and the news hasn’t differentiated between caffeine and sugar. Two separate issues.
Because they're talking about energy drinks not separate ingredients.
in my day we used ProPlus…
As did we. Along with Redbull, and vodka 🙂
Apparently these “energy” drinks have a similar amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee, and the same amount of sugar as any other sugary kids drink e.g. Coca Cola
A can of monster has 55g of sugar and 32mg of caffeine.
Pretty sure thats about a **** tonne more sugar than is in a can of coke
in my day we used ProPlus…
In my day we had amphetamines, they helped you lose weight too!!
That will teach me for reading the bloody Guardian drac : government to ban energy drink sales to children in England
papers and the Beeb exaggerating again
I think a few people have missed the fact that the OP (amongst others) wasn’t being entirely serious. The rate at which some people go off thee deep end on here is comedy gold.
And this ban will do what exactly? Or is it just to give the politicos a shaft rub, so they think they did something useful?
id say that once you're on the mortgage treadmill, caffeine probably helps muchly.
still think that the govts throwing out the baby (caffeine) with the bath water (sugary drinks).
the energy drinks are probably full of a lot of crap (which the caffeine helps you to excrete...the irony, lol)
theyre no substitute for a proper cuppa, but it's still cheaper than nipping round to costa/ Starbucks.
the caffeine use is a substitute for the lack of parental involvement. It's that parental involvement, particularly from the age of twelve years onwards that has a huge bearing on a child's educational outcomes.
Before energy drinks became popular you would just buy some tablets that done the same job. Pro Plus or similiar. They just didn't have the same effective advertising as the drink companies.
Before energy drinks became popular you would just buy some tablets that done the same job. Pro Plus or similiar.
Did you wash them down with honey?
So in March the supermarkets banned sales to under 16s
Now the government are going to make it official?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-45342682
So what happened to make this news? Did I miss some kind of expose about teenage addict or the like?
Personally I would agree that children should not have them and really adults should only have them sparingly. That being said if you are an adult and you want to just drink red bull until your body fails off you go, there are plenty of other legal things you can do that will also kill you.
edit- ahh pro plus and a can of coke the quickest way to get to sleep after the massive rush subsided.
papers and the Beeb exaggerating again
Except they are entirely correct in saying they are considering a ban, a pedent like you should understand that. Still people are easily fooled just look at the brexit thread
It's poor Danny I feel sorry for. Still, at least he has his Eberspacher to keep him cosy.
I don’t get it. Is it because they are full of sugar? Then ban all sugary drinks.
Is it because they make people “hyper”
well again it can’t be because of the sugar
https://www.popsci.com/does-sugar-make-kids-hyper
and the caffeine is no more than a cup of coffee - so ban the sale of coffee to under 18’s
oh it must be because of taurine.
damm.
So why are we banning “energy drinks”?
just as an aside, my completely anecdotal, experience is that the perceived enhanced effect of energy drinks vs a strong cup of coffee with 4 sugars is mainly placebo. I.e I used to work with kids who would neck the coffee, then fall asleep in the class, but would go bat shit mental with a shared can of red bull. I.e they are told it makes them hyper so they act hyper.
energy drinks vs a strong cup of coffee with 4 sugars
4 sugars is about 16g
Can of Monster is 55g
I was being ever so slightly tongue-in-cheek, but some pertinent issues remain;
Proliferation of sugar everywhere, not just in energy drinks.
lack of parental time/ resources negatively impacting on pupils. This remains a key factor in educational outcomes, even when the child attends grammar school.
the potential for caffeine to (slightly) ameliorate any educational disparities.
perhaps a need for more research into the health benefits derived from consuming freshly ground coffee.
Btw, ive been quaffing tea since a three year old, so I simply can't comprehend how people can exist, caffeine free:)
I've tried pro-plus...very little effect tbh.
seems like it's the specific formulation of caffeine that matters.
the potential for caffeine to (slightly) ameliorate any educational disparities.
I'm not sure what this means but I think its the sugar content thats the major issue!!
papers and the Beeb exaggerating again
The Beeb said under 18s.
papers and the Beeb exaggerating again
Is there a link?
4 sugars is about 16g
Can of Monster is 55g
And your point is? A level teaspoon is four grams, a heaped one is nearer double. A can of monster is probably larger in volume than a normal mug...
Dont get me wrong, excess sugar is bad... but the focus on energy drinks is frankly wrong. If it is a dietry issue around obesity, then set a limit for all fizzy drinks, or ban all sales of fizzy drinks to children (as an aside normal coke is 39g for 330ml, so not that different per ml than monster)
Is it that energy drinks are marketed succesfully at youngsters... well coke and pepsi and fanta dont do that, do they.
The message behind the ban is unclear, I wonder if it is just a sop to a popular view that energy drinks make children unruly, rather than an actual attempt to make our children consume healthier drinks
edit: I have read the attached bbc article and it is interesting, I still see that there are numerous mentions of behaviour.
Personally i would rather see a ban on any soft drink sale to children, where the sugar content is higher than a certain proportion by volume, rather than saying we are banning energy drinks!
Red bull and monster already sell zero sugar versions of their flavoured pop..
And your point is?
The comparison was not good.
Is it that energy drinks are marketed succesfully at youngsters… well coke and pepsi and fanta dont do that, do they.
That together with the sugar and caffeine content.
when people are old enough to work, they find that caffeine is pretty much necessary
Really. I know very few people who consume coffee constantly, most only drink it at allotted break times.
Unless you’re referring to the desk bound few who can grab a coffee any time they like. I’ve never needed coffee to function at work, and still don’t.
I could well be talking out of my arse here ..but isn't there already a " ban " on energy drinks to kids under sixteen ?
My fifteen year old can't buy Monster / Red Bull etc.drinks locally without ID ..this is not because of the sugar content as someone rightly pointed out that there are now sugar free options ..but because of the caffeine content ...( which means he can't buy them ).
In other news ..the Arsenal manager has banned " fruit juice " energy drinks from the training ground ( Lucozade Sport ?) & canteen ..to be replaced with just water ..
Wait until Mezut Ozil hears about this ..he will pull a six month sick note ( sorry if you aren't a football fan as you won't know what the **** I'm on about ).
I don't see any evidence locally of these cans (g)littering the place..and I'm pretty sure I would notice ...
I could well be talking out of my arse here ..but isn’t there already a ” ban ” on energy drinks to kids under sixteen ?
No, a few shops took on a voluntary ban mainly last year.
I don’t see any evidence locally of these cans (g)littering the place..and I’m pretty sure I would notice …
You live in a village of where you'd probably though who dropped it without even seeing them.
Fair point Drac ..
Yeah links no comments
Come on Mike you can Google the comments. 😬