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https://www.woodfuel-direct.co.uk/technical-information

The "hotties" work out at about £0.10/kWh, slightly more for kiln dried hardwood (and given their selling the stuff I'd guess the figures are a bit over inflated.)

Even after the recent rises that's much more than the cost of gas, a log burner is also much less efficient than a decent CH system so the useable energy is more expensive still.


 
Posted : 08/03/2022 5:12 pm
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Sitting in with the lorries (not too close obviously) is extremely relaxing

Really? In my experience it's the opposite. You'll gradually have one bearing down upon you in your rear-view mirror. But you don't want to pull too close to the one in front, so the one behind pulls out to begin the laborious elephant-racing manoeuvre and you're boxed in for five miles like National Lampoons.

Nah, I'd rather bomb along in the fast lane, moving over for the German marques in a rush occasionally.


 
Posted : 08/03/2022 5:44 pm
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Tbh I'm.not surprised if the central heating works out cheaper if your paying 8 quid for a grab bag or burning artisanal kiln dried hardwood


 
Posted : 08/03/2022 6:03 pm
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you’re boxed in for five miles like National Lampoons.

It's not five miles, but so what? You just sit there. You aren't in danger.


 
Posted : 08/03/2022 7:06 pm
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I’d be surprised if it hasn’t got £2/l by the end of April, I’m guessing over £1.80 by the end of this month.

at the rate it’s going up round here, it’ll be there by the end of the week. I put a tank of super in today, 172 against 164, so ~5% more expensive but I get at least 10% better mileage.


 
Posted : 08/03/2022 7:19 pm
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Octopus customer with a fixedending on 18th March.

Current rate - Electricity 16.20p/kWh and 21.15p/day standing charge.
New fixed offer - 42.4/Kwh and 25p standing charge.

Gas - Current 2.9 Kwh and 17.3p standing charge.
New offer 12.8Kwh and 12.9

Current £1100 per year up to £3400 per year. Yikes!

I don't like it but can afford it. Many people are going to be in real trouble though.

Edit - and it's only a 10month fix so not even offering much post October protection.


 
Posted : 08/03/2022 10:50 pm
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Wow.


 
Posted : 09/03/2022 12:07 am
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Sitting in with the lorries (not too close obviously) is extremely relaxing

What I don't like about this is the fact that I can't see what's happening with the traffic ahead - it feels a little claustrophobic.


 
Posted : 09/03/2022 8:01 am
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What I don’t like about this is the fact that I can’t see what’s happening with the traffic ahead – it feels a little claustrophobic.

what i find is although you leave your space to the truck infront the truck behind comes up and parks in your back seat before initiating the overtake.

Anything happens in front of the truck upahead in that period and your toast.

i tend to knock off the limiter and move before the truck gets to that situation.


 
Posted : 09/03/2022 8:29 am
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Octopus customer with a fixedending on 18th March.

part of the issue is you are comparing a low fixed deal to a high fixed deal.

I'm on the standard variable tariff, projected to go from ~1250/yr to ~1800/yr,

the fix they are offering would be 2800/yr.


 
Posted : 09/03/2022 9:12 am
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Not sure if it's been covered up-thread but I find the frequency at which energy companies bill absolutely preposterous! I logged into the Octopus app at the weekend and noted I had £370 credit, champion. But when I looked at the billing/usage breakdown they hadn't billed any gas or leccy since 7th and 9th of Jan. So thick end of 2 months gas hit the breakdown at the start of the week so it's down to £140 and still no sign of leccy coming off but with two EVs it'll be straight into the red when it does.

FFS they take half hourly readings but then just bill whenever it suits them, sometimes a week apart sometimes 2 months. It's **** ridiculous. I have to do a load of mental arithmetic to work out a true position at any given time. Or am I doing it wrong?


 
Posted : 10/03/2022 4:19 pm
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I'm keeping a spreadsheet logging use weekly. Hopefully the leccy bill will come down now it's warming up and I'm more days in the office. I give readings to the supplier monthly so I can control it, and I've already put my DD up £100 a month before the new rates hit.

The fixed rate I was offered was double what I should be paying with the new variable.


 
Posted : 10/03/2022 4:26 pm
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Had the April price rise update from Octopus, new rates are:

Elec 24 p/day ---> 37.6 p/day
Elec 20.3 p/kWh ---> 29.3 kWh

Gas 23.8 p/day ---> 27.2 p/day
Gas 3.8 p/kWh ---> 7.3 p/kWh

For our usage: Elec up 45%, Gas up 75%


 
Posted : 13/03/2022 7:31 pm
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My PAYG electric is going up as follows...

28.75 to 47.18/day
19.79 to 27.77p per kWh


 
Posted : 13/03/2022 7:52 pm
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For our usage: Elec up 45%, Gas up 75%

Bloody hell.


 
Posted : 13/03/2022 7:56 pm
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Bloody hell.

Well luckily we don't actually use much, so will only pay about £160/month at the new rates (were paying £97 a month IIRC).

But yes, bigger jump than I was expecting. Luckily we're no where near the breadline, but if you were, it would be a serious problem.


 
Posted : 13/03/2022 8:08 pm
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Yes.I'll be going on to the Octopus variable raher than the even more extortionate fixed they offered me.

As for the motorway speed question. No way would I sit in behind a lorry. I feel stressed if my view ahead is blocked. Going 60-62ish would get almost all the economy benefits without the stress of lorries ahead and behind.

Drove to Oban last week and went for economy. Keeping down to 60 on the straights. Gentle acceleration etc. Not bothering to accelerate between bends on twisty sections. According to the car computer I got 60mpg which is 8 mpg better than any other long trip I've done. A 1.4 petrol Skoda Superb.


 
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No way would I sit in behind a lorry. I feel stressed if my view ahead is blocked

For the record, I didn't mean right up it's bum slip-streaming it. Although this is extremely economical it's also really dangerous, obviously.

Going 60-62ish would get almost all the economy benefits without the stress of lorries ahead and behind.

Caravan speed limit is 60, but I never drive it as you are always inching past lorries and holding everyone else up, so it's not worth it.


 
Posted : 13/03/2022 8:12 pm
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According to the car computer I got 60mpg which is 8 mpg better than any other long trip I’ve done. A 1.4 petrol Skoda Superb.

Blimey, same car/engine here and get nowhere near that whatever i try.


 
Posted : 14/03/2022 8:33 am
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Going 60-62ish would get almost all the economy benefits without the stress of lorries ahead and behind.

Adaptive cruise helps.

Still UAE have upped production now so Crude is back below $100 (was Friday at least) and unusually forecourts have reacted, locally Diesel have dropped from 174 back to to 164. It's still expensive, but at least moving the right way.


 
Posted : 14/03/2022 9:15 am
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Got the dreaded letter from EDF at the weekend, £133 a month to £195 in April.

Not sure if it’s been covered up-thread but I find the frequency at which energy companies bill absolutely preposterous! I logged into the Octopus app at the weekend and noted I had £370 credit, champion. But when I looked at the billing/usage breakdown they hadn’t billed any gas or leccy since 7th and 9th of Jan. So thick end of 2 months gas hit the breakdown at the start of the week so it’s down to £140 and still no sign of leccy coming off but with two EVs it’ll be straight into the red when it does

EDF Bill twice a year, once in April and again in Oct. What makes it worse with a smart meter in places the data is all there, but you have to collate it all yourself. Even if you haven't got a SM, you can log a meter reading whenever you like, they have everything they need to give you up to date billing, but they choose not too. Okay, usually I don't care, but different times.


 
Posted : 14/03/2022 9:20 am
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Scottish Power wanted to increase my variable rate DD by £80 as I made the mistake of submitting a monthly reading the day before the DD was due out. So knowing full well my account would be in credit the next day, used this as an excuse to increase it, also taking into account the April price rise yet to kick in.


 
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Blimey, same car/engine here and get nowhere near that whatever i try.

There's more than one version of the 1.4 TSI petrol, I think the higher power ones have a supercharger no? That or a twin turbo could affect MPG.


 
Posted : 14/03/2022 10:37 am
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Adaptive cruise helps.

Yep, makes a big difference I find.

Still UAE have upped production now so Crude is back below $100 (was Friday at least) and unusually forecourts have reacted, locally Diesel have dropped from 174 back to to 164. It’s still expensive, but at least moving the right way.

Plus we're coming into Spring / Summer, demand will start to drop off.


 
Posted : 14/03/2022 10:38 am
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So knowing full well my account would be in credit the next day, used this as an excuse to increase it

do scottish power not have the the opt out of auto DD setting that other suppliers have - I know SSE used to change mines willy nilly till i specifically told them to stop it. ~OVO i just ticked a box in the app

sadly Scottish power came out the top of the deals available to me currently at 50p a day and 55p a unit.

needless to say i wont be moving i was idly looking to see if it was worth securing a known increase to save being stung with a major increase in august when my current deal runs out how ever - when im currently 16 p a unit ant 26p a day ..... theres no way ill be changing untill absolutely necessary.


 
Posted : 14/03/2022 11:33 am
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There’s more than one version of the 1.4 TSI petrol, I think the higher power ones have a supercharger no? That or a twin turbo could affect MPG

We have a little 1.0 Ecoboost Fiesta for pottering around and it flatly refuses to do more than 47mpg in general driving - and that's with the aircon switched off and me really trying to drive economically!


 
Posted : 14/03/2022 11:45 am
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im getting 50 from a 1.2 puretech 108 - thats mostly dual carridgeway driving @ 60

that climbs to 55-58 if i do mostly B road 45-50mph.

Go to 70 on dualer its 40mpg.

I use the speedlimiter alot.


 
Posted : 14/03/2022 11:59 am
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So my mum and dad still potter around a monstrous victorian carbunkle. 6 bedrooms, 3 floors + basement. It's insulated to the point you stuggle to get into the loft. Recently fully double-glazed. They heat three rooms. Boiler is less than 5 years old and has good controls, though the plumbing design is from the 1920s and may have originated in the shipyard parts bin (massive 3" pipes, 11 big cast iron rads, various bolt-ons, a custom-built hot water tank).

They were paying £140 a month. Then this arrived on Thursday.

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hey were paying £140 a month. Then this arrived on Thursday.

something gone wrong there I reckon, unless they have just come off a very long term (and hence very cheap) fixed deal at the same time as the new energy cap has come into play.


 
Posted : 14/03/2022 12:32 pm
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me really trying to drive economically!

How are you trying to do that though? You may find it easier to accelerate more briskly then back off when up to speed - or on windy roads just putting in a burst of higher power when needed then coasting with very light throttle the rest of the time. Light throttle all the time isn't always best, although lower overall speeds can be. Different engines require different tactics to get the best MPG.

Aircon makes naff all difference these days too.

hey were paying £140 a month. Then this arrived on Thursday.

My guess is that the energy company's estimate is based on other similar houses on the street, which may be much less insulated and full of people.


 
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hey were paying £140 a month. Then this arrived on Thursday.

something gone wrong there I reckon, unless they have just come off a very long term (and hence very cheap) fixed deal at the same time as the new energy cap has come into play.

Yeah, that's more than just a unit price hike. Even if they're leaving the best fixed rate that was available 2 years ago, just as the cap rises, that's over a 500% increase - either they were badly in arrears because no one had been taking readings or its an admin issue.


 
Posted : 14/03/2022 4:17 pm
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Just been looking back at my bills because I've gone into significant debit since December 21. Sort of assumed it was because the end of a fixed tariff and higher usage over winter, which is a big part of it but there's a near £500 swing and I've always been pretty good at phasing it over the year.

British Gas didn't take my Direct Debit over the Christmas period, so I've had to up my monthly payment by 75% to catch up. Bit bloody annoying. 🤬


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 9:55 am
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Our usage is up a bit this year as we stopped using the log burner (too polluting) so have been using CH in the evenings this winter whereas normally we just light the fire. Worst possible timing...


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 6:37 pm
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Seeing as I've just had to pay 103.88p (+ vat) per litre of heating oil, pollution can go funk itself.
4 logs on the stove sorts out the snug and kitchen for the evening without firing up the central heating for a largish house (yeah, I know, humble brag, blah blah 😉)

On the plus side on a day like today the solar PV is giving 250l of >62c hot water - so no boiler for that either.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 6:57 pm
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Some frightening figures. Our electric is about £200 per month (hits hard over winter with wFH and heating a conservatory (and a shed lprevius winter) - Gas about £50. Currently paying £300pm to keep on top of the additional winter use, which we are, and then upped to £400 last month.

For the last month we've been checking useage, as mentioned above. The 'hot tub' has been switched right down to 23c and if we want to use it, we put it up in the morning, to use it in the evening. This sort of makes us use it, rather than just leave it ticking over hot all the time - the pump is still on. It's incredible the energy these use. I recon I'll save at least £20 per week switching it down until we decide to use it. That's massive. With the price rises, that will be over £100 per month. That's just negated the rise.

It's just wasted energy - frightening how much get's wasted. Out gas heating is efficient, but with two young adults who leave everything on, we're going to need to re-educate them, and the 'boss' with her tub.

I'm glad I haven't gone smart meter, if what you are saying they don't bill promptly. I got caught out winter 2020 with the WFH and all the extra heat generated by electricity, and relying on quarterly readings. Scarey given how expensive it is now. I can see the impact of using say the drier has, by taking a reading a couple of times a week.

I never used to worry when there were the two of us, or with young kids, but 4 adults and all the gizmos, it ads up.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 7:30 pm
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I can see the impact of using say the drier has, by taking a reading a couple of times a week.

If you want to know how much an appliance is using you can buy a plug-in power meter that works with any appliance with a plug.


 
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Might just do that......


 
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with two young adults who leave everything on

You could leave every light in the house on (if LED) and it wouldn't even register compared to an electrically heated hot tub.

I have to admit to being slightly puzzled by truly enormous bills reported by people living in small, well-insulated homes and wonder if they're done something like switch the immersion heater on by mistake and not noticed. Or have countless incandescent light bulbs, or electric fires in every room or something.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 8:48 pm
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Immersion heater = hot tub... 🙂


 
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Embarrassing to be complaining about a hot tub when some of us couldn't pay for heating. At least it's warmed up now


 
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I’m glad I haven’t gone smart meter, if what you are saying they don’t bill promptly. I got caught out winter 2020 with the WFH and all the extra heat generated by electricity, and relying on quarterly readings. Scarey given how expensive it is now. I can see the impact of using say the drier has, by taking a reading a couple of times a week.

Never had an issue with my smart meter and billing, if anything changing the gap between when it captures reads and sends to the supplier to half hourly from monthly meant I could use my suppliers online account stuff where they would plot usage in a bar chart for each 30min gap, it runs a day or so behind but gives some good insights, I can look and see where large chunks of KWH or £££ are being spent and relate this to what was going on in the home, it also let me run a test between running my tumble dryer to dry a load vs the dehumidifier to see what was cheaper.


 
Posted : 24/03/2022 10:20 am
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My hamster told me to fix at 12p kwh economy 7 and 25p kwh day rate. He's been getting extra sunflower seeds for that bit of sage.
Feeling so smug i deserve a punch in the face.


 
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Never had an issue with my smart meter and billing, if anything changing the gap between when it captures reads and sends to the supplier to half hourly from monthly meant I could use my suppliers online account stuff where they would plot usage in a bar chart for each 30min gap, it runs a day or so behind but gives some good insights, I can look and see where large chunks of KWH or £££ are being spent and relate this to what was going on in the home, it also let me run a test between running my tumble dryer to dry a load vs the dehumidifier to see what was cheaper.

same .

seems the fringe case issues are sound justification for tinfoil hattery.

also quarterly readings - in 2020 ...... did you fax those back to 1988?


 
Posted : 24/03/2022 11:42 am
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We were paying £92/month with OVO before all this kicked off.
Now we are with Octopus. They didn't change our DD, but have sent an e-mail in the last few days to say that we aren't paying enough (no shit, sherlock) and are putting our direct debit up to £208! That is to cover the increase in fuel & the £200 we have gone into debit.
From Oct to end Mar, we seem to have used £140 a month, so I would have thought that somewhere around £160 a month was more reasonable, but am happy for it to go up and get back into credit then reassess.
We are lucky, in that we can afford the increase costs. We will have to rein ourselves in, in other areas but we won't struggle to pay. I feel sorry for the people who are already having to choose between heating & food.

With regards to the fuel costs mentioned on the previous page - I am hoping they start to come down a bit now, but am not sure if that is wishful thinking or likely to happen.
Driving to work & back last week at a steady 65mph with the cruise control on, got me 65mpg on the way into work & 71.5mpg on the way back. It was a lot warmer on the drive home than the drive into work.
Luckily (or not depending on your viewpoint) we are back to working from home full-time rather than 3 days back in the office. So that will save me a chunk of cash over the next month.


 
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solar panels and battery storage ordered, been a absolute mare getting quotes in. Fitting won't happen until October as they are that busy.

Stand by for the best summer ever and the worst winter ever.


 
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Not read the whole thread, but rather than start a new one, thought I'd ask here...

Naive question... I am on a fixed product until Dec 2023, but on todays bill the standing charge has doubled since last month.

Does the 'fixed' element only apply to the unit rate?


 
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Further review of February bill, compared to March seems to be showing a different tariff. I have had no contact from them to say they are charging the tariff..

February

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March

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My energy bill has gone from £80 to £324 a month. My wife doesn't work now because we have 4 month old twins. Everything else has gone up in price. Luckily we have saved some cash for rainy days, but that pot in only finite. The only option we can both realistically see if we downsize our house to reduce our mortgage and have some cash in the bank.

As a 40% tax payer myself I cant envisage there is any help out there for me/us, but the situation is chronically bad due to our circumstances and its unsustainable.


 
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Everyone's energy supplier app/ website ground to a halt today?

I'm in a shambles of a position

Moved into a new build house last May with British Gas as the supplier. Set up my account with them with the plan that I'd sort out the best deal with whoever once we had the move completed.

The BG call centre is abysmal. Couldn't understand a word I said. They managed to fail to set up my direct debit, despite telling me they had, and also set up my online account access with an email address that bore no relation to the one I gave them, so I couldn't access anything.

Eventually got the direct debit sorted but they were unable to grasp what was wrong with my online account, so I decided to switch to Scottish Power last August on a 2 year fixed deal.

Switchover day comes and I discover Scottish Power have cancelled the gas switch without telling me but the electricity had switched over. Called them straight away and they promised they'd sort it. That was in September and I'm still waiting. Cannot get anyone to answer a phone when I call. Tried the online chat, they told me to call a number. That number was new business sales and they can't help. The customer service number just tells me everyone is busy and I should call back later then hangs up.

In the meantime, I eventually get access to my BG account, who are allegedly still supplying my gas. From what I can tell, they haven't actually setup my gas account. It doesn't appear anywhere on my account profile. All I can see is electricity bills from the time I had that with them. It won't let me enter meter readings, it won't let me change the direct debit I'm still paying them. Again, tried to get their customer service to sort it out but they haven't got a clue and they keep telling my it's a temporary glitch with the website and it'll be sorted soon.

Luckily I'm keeping all my meter readings on a daily basis, but energy companies really are utter shit.


 
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For the first time since all this started, it seems it's possibly worth fixing

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/-are-there-any-cheap--fixed-energy-deals-currently-worth-it--/

Personally, I've decided to take the EDF 2 year fix, it's not great, it's 25% more than the current cap, but at least usage is low now and it's a lot lower than the 45-50% predicted rise in Oct.

Best guesses seem to be a 10% reduction in the cap next April, but that'll still be lower than the price I've fixed to, the first time I could meaningfully 'lose' is Oct 2023, I could in theory still exit, but it's £300 to do so, I should 'win' over-all and when it ended in June 2024 it should be to a much lower rate, which will be nice.

The risks I've considered:

New, as yet unknown Government intervention that will reduce the CAP (unlikely as they've used other methods up to now)

A sudden regime change in Russia and end to the war in Ukraine resulting in a massive wholesale cost, I'd find it hard to see that as anything but the best news, even if I have to pay EDF a bit more than I could.

The main one though is, this could be a trend, at the moment they’re mostly only offering deals to existing customers, if real competition returns to the market, I might have jumped too early.


 
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We are about to fix at the shop. As we've drastically cut down on our usage our bills will be less than what we used to pay.
If it goes down we will just have to lump it but at the end of the day it's an amount we can afford to pay.


 
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efd going from 26ppkwh to 40ppkwh to fix. ouch


 
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Constant battle with Scottish Power not to put my DD up each month - I want it based on energy I’m currently using, they want it allegedly based on previous 12 months averaged out, despite me taking weekly readings to illustrate we have cut our usage significantly this year. Apparently this is to stop me going into debt, yet the debt is then owing me money.


 
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Anyone else had the new rates sent through from their supplier?

Shell have just sent for the SW

Elec S/C - 58.28p
Elec Unit - 32.788p
Gas S/C - 29.11p
Gas Unit - 10.517p

Anyone on a better deal?


 
Posted : 23/03/2023 4:39 pm
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Anyone else had the new rates sent through from their supplier?

Yes, but for some reason only Gas pricing from Octopus - maybe as I'm on their dynamic variable leccy tariff...

Gas numbers:

27.468p per day
10.204p per unit

Currently averaging about 20p/kWh for electric on their dynamic tariff - but that's partially charging a battery at night and then using solar / stored leccy during the day.


 
Posted : 23/03/2023 4:57 pm
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I've had mine through from Octopus in the SE

Because of the changes to both standing and unit charges it's tough to do a comparison that makes sense but helpfully on my forecasted usage they say the Electricity will work out £2 a month cheaper (actually £22/yr) and the gas will be £0.60 / mo more expensive (£7.50/yr)

So overall about £15/yr cheaper overall - and if I'm right that's without a forecasted reduction to come in summer as prices ease further and the market becomes competitive again.

I know that for my estimate of £2550 per year that's still substantially more than the £1150 per year I was paying on a fixed rate deal in 2019 but those prices were artificially low and caused a number of suppliers to go bust when wholesale prices went to 'normal' levels let alone the inflated ones due to the last year or so. And if market pricing does take over again in the summer, on the basis of reasonable wholesale prices - I'm tempted to think I've got through it, And I have new fleece and bodywarmer.


 
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@longwayup

We're Shell as well. Our new rates:

Elec S/C – 51.41
Elec Unit – 32.718
Gas S/C – 29.11
Gas Unit – 10.316

Energy price guarantee v3


 
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I'm still smugly locked into Octopus, but the two year deal runs out in September. Fingers crossed for that drop in rates this summer...


 
Posted : 23/03/2023 6:35 pm
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Shell for me too - just received an email…

Elec S/C – 50.31p
Elec Unit – 32.40p
Gas S/C – 29.11p
Gas Unit – 10.183

Those are price guarantee rates.


 
Posted : 23/03/2023 7:46 pm
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Shell as below:


 
Posted : 23/03/2023 7:51 pm
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Puts went down from 31.48 /unit to 31.20 /unit same 48pence standing though.

Averaged a quid a day of usage so far this year - which has been eliminated by the powermove credits.

Heating on the other hand.....don't talk to me about that.


 
Posted : 23/03/2023 7:55 pm
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Currently on the Octopus wholesale tracker rates, todays rate

E : 19.28 kwh

G : 4,78 kwh


 
Posted : 23/03/2023 8:10 pm
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We're on prepayment with EON, standing charge for electric up to 64p 😢


 
Posted : 23/03/2023 8:13 pm
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Our house is with OVO and still waiting for the email to drop. Joy.

However we have a holiday cottage we run in the garden and that is on a business tariff for leccy. By sheer chance we signed a fixed rate 3 year deal in April 21 so have been protected so far. Business rates for small businesses that don't use enough to negotiate a bulk rate and are not in an industry that can apply for help are eyeball melting. However we got this email yesterday....

Changes to our Tariff

We promise always to be transparent about our pricing and so we’re letting you know that our electricity tariff is increasing, in line with our terms and conditions.

From 1 April 2023, there will be increases in the cost of renewable energy schemes and network charges across the industry that could not have been anticipated at the time we started supplying your service.

The increase in costs is beyond our control, and increasing prices for customers in a contract is a decision that we have not taken lightly.

Electricity Rates will increase from 1 April 2023 for the duration of your fixed term by 1.9p/kWh.

I'm going to have to contact them and see what the score is.....but how the **** can you increase the cost you charge within the period of a fixed term? It'll still be a very good rate but I just don't see how they can do it. Something in tiny point 2 in the Ts and Cs maybe.....


 
Posted : 23/03/2023 8:39 pm
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Shell, se London, energy price guarantee V3 too but slightly different figures to all those above.

Electricity s/c 47.21 p/day
Electricity 34.174 p/kWh
Gas s/c 29.11p/day
Gas 10.343 pkwh
They reckon I'll be £32/ year better off, hmmm.


 
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The increase in costs is beyond our control, and increasing prices for customers in a contract is a decision that we have not taken lightly.

”The increase in costs is beyond my control, and while decreasing prices while in a contract is not a decision that I take lightly, I regret to inform you that your new unit rate is 15p/kWh. I do hope you understand and I apologise for the inconvenience.”


 
Posted : 23/03/2023 10:03 pm
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Ovo emailed
Leccy S/C 51.41p
Unit 32.72p

Gas S/C 29.11p
Unit 10.31p

(Same as Shell figures above)

+£22 per year leccy
+£1.37 per year gas


 
Posted : 25/03/2023 8:00 pm
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Had this from SSE for gas. I don't know what my PAYG leccy prices are.


 
Posted : 25/03/2023 8:06 pm
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Had my leccy price through now. Another leap in standing charge 🙁


 
Posted : 01/04/2023 7:27 pm
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Ovo finally sent me my new rates

I'm now an octopus custoemr


 
Posted : 01/04/2023 7:50 pm
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Around £60 extra per month between electric and gas here. Bizarre seeing as though I’m in credit and the heating has been off C m now for a couple of weeks. Might cancel the DD and just pay for what we use. Robbing bastards


 
Posted : 01/04/2023 8:42 pm
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Robbing bastards, why? How do you mean, your DD is up by £60? Are you sure that's not just because the £67/mo that the Gov has been crediting is now not there. So really your overall DD is down by £7 maybe?

Of course if in credit already at the end of the higher usage period you may need to recalculate yourself but within reason I've always been able to set my DD rather than just accept the suggestion.


 
Posted : 01/04/2023 8:59 pm
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^^Octopus did that to me despite being £350 in credit. No issues logging in and resetting it to the usual £10/month, and they did have the courtesy to email first.


 
Posted : 01/04/2023 11:07 pm
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same with eon. we have a small amount of credit left, apparently bills will be a small.amount cheaper (like £30pa) and they hiked DD by £60. think ill be adjusting it back down again. I'd rather have the credit in my account plus I'm planning on switching hopefully before next winter


 
Posted : 02/04/2023 7:21 am
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Octopus did that with me. I think, due to workload they look at your last 3 mth and go average. So they asked for £68. Ok so i have been paying £1, plus gov top up. Still got £160 in credit. Dropping my DD straight back to £40.
What annoying is the standing charge. As a low user its probably going to be more than the usage.
Stealth tax to cover rising costs incurred somewhere


 
Posted : 02/04/2023 8:02 am
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Like, the rising cost of engineers that maintain the wiring and pipework that we all have to supply our houses I guess?


 
Posted : 02/04/2023 8:32 am
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https://www.comparethemarket.com/energy/content/what-is-energy-standing-charge/

I don't understand the hate that the energy SC seems to get. It's a normal part of any utility supply, it'll be on your water bill no matter what you use because you're still connected to the supply and sewerage. You pay line rental for your phone/internet line and then a fee based on usage.  Even on roads - a proportion of your VED goes to roads but you pay the same (OK, not great analogy because it varies based on your car/emissions, but if we both have the same car then we pay the same even though I only use it 3x a week and do 6000 miles a year and my neighbour uses his every day and does 15,000)

I don't 'like' the energy companies particularly but you can't criticise them over everything they do, dilutes holding them to account for the actually bad stuff.


 
Posted : 02/04/2023 9:08 am
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It's not the standing charge that's the problem, it's the speed it's gone up, this time last year I was paying 23.22p per day standing charge for electricity, its now 39.63p, a 71% increase, that's not down to increased engineer and maintenance costs, that's getting around the government price cap.


 
Posted : 02/04/2023 9:54 am
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The price cap is set for units and standing charge, the suppliers can vary within these and then they have to meet the overall cap for this fictitious average house. I see what you say about the increase but it's not an unlimited number.

In fact your SC is not at the capped level - it could be 50.4p + VAT but if the supplier charged that, then in order to balance the overall cap for the standard house then the unit charge would have to be lower.

So as a low user your SC is to some extent still being subsidised by the high users.

This will be less important in the coming months I suspect because overall pricing will move below the cap and then you can pick and choose based on SC and unit again.


 
Posted : 02/04/2023 10:05 am
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Predictions seem to be that autumn should see some cheaper deals and available and e should fix then.


 
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