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I haven't got a lot to say about this, but I cannot believe with all the information there is that people can still believe in the complete rubbish that the EDL peddle.
Really angry that they chose to have their hate-filled, prejudiced event in my home town today.
That's all.
I had nothing but hassle with edl, I will be going back to npower asap.
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Why does the EDL appear to have so few female supporters ?
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I thought they felt particularly strongly about women's rights ?
They're coming to Llandudno on Aug 10th
The english defence league are going to Wales....is confused but not as much as they clearly are.
Thanks Neilsonwheels for lightening my mood slightly 🙂
They're coming to Llandudno on Aug 10th. I will be there for polite, rational debate
....is confused but not as much as they clearly are.
Don't be confused Junky - the prejudice lesson clashed with double geography on the school timetable...
They must be trying to put on a respectable face. There is barely a skinhead in sight.
Here's a skinhead making what was presumably a profound political point earlier today :
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I used to be a hooligan..
I can tell you for a fact that it all pretty much boils down to insecurity about their masculinity
poor dears
The guy in the flat cap got off at the wrong train station. Was trying to get to the Open at Muirfield.
apparently when they come to Llandudno they're teaming up with some other group of right wing dicks called the North West/Wales? Alliance/Infidels? or something (can't be arsed to look it up) and some other far-right groups. I think cos a lot of the population in this area are from England, retired, and big Daily Mail readers!
Not too long back I was up late at night, and one of those audience type talk shows was on, and the EDL leader guy was there to take questions, Question Time style. He was sooo inarticulate and defensive, in the face of the most simple logic and reasoning, it was ****ing laughable.
The 'muslamic ray guns' video say's it all really....very very confused people.
I have a theory... we all get our kicks from some kind of adrenaline... be it on a bike, at a football match, in the cinema~ historically people attended church for the excitement of the preachers passionate sermon.
At the end of the day, we as mountain bikers, pursue adrenaline and excitement through a positive and progressive medium.
Guys join the EDL for similar thrills via adrenaline, but their path is negative.
Whether this is to do with braincells, upbringing or indoctrination, who knows, but it does kind of suck.
My cunning theory would also tie in with the lack of females, as testosterone and adrenaline are more abundant in blokes.
The edl the anti nazi league, the muslim extremist and all other complete and utter ****ers that want to **** everything up for their moronic sixth-form level political theories, are all different sides of the same weirdly shaped coin, the coin of being a complete and utter ****ing ass hole.
That is a p**s take surely? Gay Aryan Skinheads G.A.S.H? If that is true I would love to be a fly on the wall at their meetings.
that's a good idea 3dvgirl. When they come here, I'll pull out a coin, and ask.. which side of this coin are you on? the one with Britannia on it, or the one with Queen (and country) on it? or both? They'll say both. Then I'll flip the coin and show them on both sides a very finely painted picture of a hairy ass-hole. then say, haha that's you that is! then walk away in victory knowing they are even more baffled.
athgray - Member
That is a p**s take surely? Gay Aryan Skinheads G.A.S.H? If that is true I would love to be a fly on the wall at their meetings.
You'd get unzipped...
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Did you really put the anti nazi league in there with those folks?
The problem is that racists and bigots don't consider themselves to be racist or bigotted. They tend tomthink they are just saying things the way they are. Their behaviour and attitutde is normalised by their friends as they all use the same words, language and rhetoric. It seems acceptable amongst them and they tend to think it is acceptable in public in general. Soemtimes they realise that they have been mistaken other times [i]they just moderate[/i] their behaviour in public but continue to behave badly whenamongst their own kind.
Why not just ignore them?
epicyclo 😳 😀
Why not just ignore them?
Ignoring those who peddle hate has not historically been a hugely successful tactic.
Confront it where ever you see it
I used to be a hooligan..
Go on... (with the story, I mean, not with being a hooligan).
If it was just a bloke or two mouthing off in a pub. yeah, Ignore those nobs. But the EDL seem to be quite an organised strata of thoughtless, angry pricks with some kind of axe to grind, but are very misdirected in their outlook on where to grind it! and like Charlie says, should be confronted and challenged in their opinions of what they are protesting against. I'm not sure a lot of 'em actually know!
Did you really put the anti nazi league in there with those folks?
Fighting fascism with different form of fascism, its so many kinds of stupid its unreal. In my view both left and right are as equally retarded as each other. We need to move past the political left overs of the French revolution.
Confront it where ever you see it
Except they feed on the confrontation. If you ignore them, what exactly will they achieve? What are these people if not just a larger group of people mouthing off in the pub? If they were going round beating up other people or denying them their rights then such actions clearly need to be stopped, but surely most of them are just going out to have a bit of a shout.
ernie - I think that is a straw man, but you'll have to remind me which historical cases of ignoring those with extremist views have ended badly.
The 'other' EDL seemed to be having a more enjoyable time:
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In my view both left and right are as equally retarded as each other
this got me thinking the other day..
The fallacy of left vs right.. this slightly moronic lowest common denominator so loved by the college politicos and interminable debating squad on here..
Are there only two ways in the world..? polar opposites..? left/right, black/white, right/wrong, rich/poor, tory/labour, love/hate..?
Is there such a thing as liberal extremism..?
An intelligent middle ground..?
would it be quite as stupid or harmful as left/right/religious extremism..?
They must be trying to put on a respectable face. There is barely a skinhead in sight.
I thought the skinhead had been liberated and widely adopted by the middle-aged balding IT manager.
It's just something to do for football hooligans when the football season is on a break. They don't look like they're having much fun though do they.
EDL? I never knew that English Disco Lovers caused such upset...
They were [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/english-disco-lovers-clash-with-bigots ]very active[/url] a few months ago
aracer - Memberernie - I think that is a straw man
How unusual for you to throw in a straw man allegation aracer ! But I feel disappointed that this time you couldn't be bothered to post a nice picture from Google Images to illustrate your point 🙂
Those who peddle hate don't simply give up if they are ignored and left unopposed. On the contrary, racism, homophobia, and all forms of bigotry, thrive on precisely being ignored.
[url= http://newstoad.net/2013/07/17/edl-turn-on-each-other-as-sunshine-makes-them-look-mediterranean/ ]apparently the sun is giving them problems though[/url]
That's a good one Ben!
how is the edl racist they are against redical muslims who take the bullshit koran to extrems
anyone can become a muslim its a RELIGION not a RACE
edl have members from different races (indian ****stani chineese)
its the extreme muslims they are against not other races
get your facts right people
at least they have the balls to stand up to these terrorists these extreme muslims are the racists
EVIL RELIGION
EVIL BOOK KORAN
Fighting fascism with different form of fascism, its so many kinds of stupid its unreal. In my view both left and right are as equally retarded as each other. We need to move past the political left overs of the French revolution.
I'm a bit stuck here 3dvgirl. Are you saying you think the anti-nazi league were / are fascist?
OOH look we have a racist apologist here trying to justify that his brand of cultural racism is not really racist
When I hear that the skinheaded Engerlanders have to package their intolerance as being about religion and extremists I always chuckle
PC do gooders have won the battle to the extent even a racist organisation headed by a convicted football thug and assaulter of women cannot admit that it is racist and will deny it - what has the world come to when you just cannot be a racist with shame
Aye why can these Muslims not be as tolerant as what we are of differences
Imagine trying to impose your view of the world on other people ...nothing worse eh 😕
who take the bullshit koran to extrems,,,
EVIL RELIGION
EVIL BOOK KORAN
Idiots and hypocrits guilty of trying to impose their cultural view on others and some Muslims are no better.
char34 - Member
how is the edl racist they are against redical muslims who take the bullshit koran to extrems
anyone can become a muslim its a RELIGION not a RACE
edl have members from different races (indian ****stani chineese)
its the extreme muslims they are against not other races
get your facts right people
at least they have the balls to stand up to these terrorists these extreme muslims are the racists
EVIL RELIGION
EVIL BOOK KORAN
wow... Just wow.
how is the edl racist they are against redical muslims who take the bullshit koran to extrems
That is either a deliberate misrepresentation of them or a very naive undrstanding.
Have you seen the edl demonstrate their tolerance and acceptance of mainstream Islam?
anyone can become a muslim its a RELIGION not a RACE edl
It is still not ok!
have members from different races (indian ****stani chineese) its the extreme muslims they are against not other races get your facts right people at least they have the balls to stand up to these terrorists these extreme mu
slims are the racists
No they are not, they don't hate other races, they hate other religions they made up of people fromall races, north African, sub Saharan, Arabic, British, French any race can join!!!
EVIL RELIGION EVIL BOOK KORAN
That's what they say too. Hmmmm
char34, that would explain the nazi salutes they always seem to be giving in their marches then.
Either you're a troll (hope this is the case) or need see a bit more of the world and enlighten yourself a little.
but you'll have to remind me which historical cases of ignoring those with extremist views have ended badly.
Where to start?
We did a fair bit of ignoring of Hitler until it all got too late.
We're happily ignoring some fairly extreme views and actions in Syria because they don't have any oil
We did a pretty good job of ignoring Al Qaida until they few a couple of planes into a couple of buildings
We seem extremely good at turning a blind eye to Israel's extreme prejudice against the Palestinian people, which isn't going particularly well.
char34 - Memberhow is the edl racist they are against redical muslims who take the bullshit koran to extrems
anyone can become a muslim its a RELIGION not a RACE
edl have members from different races (indian ****stani chineese)
its the extreme muslims they are against not other races
get your facts right people
I can't see where anyone has accused the EDL of being racist. Perhaps it should be you that 'gets your facts right' ? 💡
What is perfectly reasonable to do is to lump the bigoted hatred spouted by the EDL along with other hatred peddled by racists, homophobes, and other pig-ignorant halfwits.
Are you an EDL supporter btw ?
char34 comes across as just a scared little kid, governed by impulse rather than reason, looking for someone to protect them from the nonsense stirred up by the media..
seems to be a spate of caps lock in this thread, if it degenerates further i think we will see random numericals taking the place of punctuation
omgwtflol ****s
The EDL are more diverse than you think
http://www.leftfootforward.org/2013/07/english-defence-league-lgbt-division/
Lawful peaceful protest is part of this society, going out for a fight although a legacy of our history arguably isn't the way forward
Give them the freedom to speak.... and to condemn themselves out of their own mouths
Give them the publicity they deserve (little or none IMO) rather than the publicity they crave
(and look forward to the wendyball season when we know where most of them will be come 3:00pm on a Saturday or whenever Murdoch decides the matches should be played!)
Quite simple really.
lol this thread is turning into a see who is more stupid competition.
The EDL are more diverse than you think
That's the oldest trick in the book. The BNP candidate in last years' London mayoral election was a Uruguayan immigrant who struggled to speak English.
I don't however think it would be fair to claim that the BNP celebrates and welcomes diversity in Britain 🙂
that is what happens when you try and defend daft views....thankfully you had the sense to decline this 😉lol this thread is turning into a see who is more stupid competition.
Well I never some LGBT people are racist ...who knew diversity existed amongst them and I for one thought they were all the same 🙄
The 'other' EDL seemed to be having a more enjoyable time:
And they have all the hot chicks! I know which demo I'd join. (mostly for the common sense opposition of hatred and bogotry, but the disco and attractive ladies is a significant sweetener... especially when compared to the alternate gathering of Orcs and Trolls)
Well played Junkyard. Perfectly pitched!
yunki iam 41
i do agree with the edl 100%
i have a right to have my own thoughts just like other people have a right to their thoughts its a so called free country
so dont knock people for what they think is right
i think radical muslim extremists should be thrown out the country end of
if people dont want to express their feelings for fear of upsetting muslims grow some balls
I think the disco lovers have the right idea. So there are two sets of protesters in that photo - the trad anti-EDL protesters and, in effect, the pi$$ taking dancers.. I am sure the actual EDL relish a bit of verbals and otherwise with the trad protesters but are more likely to be thoroughly confused and silenced (?) by a load of dancers in all the excesses the 80s could muster with great big smiles on their faces. What a brilliant way to trivialise the unpleasant message the actual EDL would like to give but without the aggression and violence. Now where was that spandex suit....?
i have a right to have my own thoughts just like other people have a right to their thoughts its a so called free country
so dont knock people for what they think is right
unless they're brown..?
char - I'm also against radical extremism in all forms.. but muslims in general are pretty inoffensive, a point which your lot are a bit too fervent and hungry for a kick-off to acknowledge
for you to imagine that a bunch of below average intelligence, bored and racist footie hooligans, and a few dispossessed violent kids with low self esteem are the answer, is in my mind either childish or stupid..
just my opinion.. 😆
I dont thinks Radical Muslim Extremists (who don't hold a british passport) shouldn't be deported if they've commited a crime. I just don't that Muslims, in general are coming to get us in our sleep.
As for the Koran, like all really old religious texts its got some nasty shit in it, have you read the bible, its pretty ****ing horrific in places. They were just the best wisdom of their time. People are free to believe what they like as long as they don't interfere with other people's freedoms, which reminds me...
After the Drummer Lee Rigby's murder the edl 'defended England' by smashing windows and throwing rocks at the police, who, in case you hadn't noticed, were pretty busy and had important stuff to do. That's the kind of defence we can do without.
I haven't got a lot to say about this, but I cannot believe with all the information there is that people can still believe in the complete rubbish that the EDL peddle.Really angry that they chose to have their hate-filled, prejudiced event in my home town today.
That's all.
For EDL substitute Protestants in the Northern part of Ireland.
Catn agree with any of their silly misguided demonstrations, but thankfully we still as a nation have the right to protest, even if its not acceptable to lots of residents of the towns involved.
I like some radical muslims...
i have a right to have my own thoughts just like other people have a right to their thoughts its a so called free country
Bless you so I can campaign for Sharia law then with your full support?
so dont knock people for what they think is right
The killers of lee Rigby thought what they did was right ...are you not knocking them then?
i think radical muslim extremists should be thrown out the country end of
Problem is you are are an extremist and neither brand is helpful.
if people dont want to express their feelings for fear of upsetting muslims grow some balls
As so that is what the LGBT branch do for their members 😉
Personally I would be afraid of looking like an incoherent babbling moronic racist with highly contradictory, inconsistent and stupid views.
More importantly, are tattoos mandatory for EDL membership?
I find Catholicism hugely offensive, Catholics at least as intolerant as the Muslimists and very very narrow minded. The Christian right in the bible belt of Amerka are dangerously out of control and wield huge power and Evangelical Christianity in large swathes of Africa have caused major issues with human rights, and have helped fuel the prolific spread of HIV and uncontrolled population growth.
If we are looking at those that preach extreme views and intolerance for others I think we need to include all these groups and not just the Muslimists (and for the record the Koran, depending on interpretation, preaches a pretty tolerant line).
Cheers
Danny B
The EDL defended my proud English hometown by spray painting 'EDL' onto a load of signs. I, for one, will sleep much easier knowing that these magical seals will act as a barrier against radical Muslim extremists who want to access the local park and football fields.
char34 - Memberi do agree with the edl 100%
i have a right to have my own thoughts just like other people have a right to their thoughts its a so called free country
That's not what the English Defence League do.
They get drunk and then throw their empty bottles at the police. Or anyone else they don't approve of.
This is not "a right".
Are you [i]sure[/i] you're not getting confused with the English Disco Lovers ?
No way would i buy my electricity from them!
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No way would i buy my electricity from them!
They are actually better value as angry electrons give more energy.
Yeah but they can be difficult to control and try to flow in unexpected directions, this can cause costly damage to equipment and property...
We did a fair bit of ignoring of Hitler until it all got too late.We're happily ignoring some fairly extreme views and actions in Syria because they don't have any oil
We did a pretty good job of ignoring Al Qaida until they few a couple of planes into a couple of buildings
So which of those organisations started off as pathetic as EDL?
Hitler must have started as a ranty man in he street or some such...
*I have no factually accurate idea the grass roots origins of the Nazi party, but they were pretty small time i think. Saw it on telly, er... once.
So which of those organisations started off as pathetic as EDL?
Does being a government funded database count?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development
A database of people armed by one country to fight a different country - yes that seems just like the EDL.
So which of those organisations started off as pathetic as EDL?
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Why not just ignore them?
Ignoring those who peddle hate has not historically been a hugely successful tactic.
He made a valid point
radical muslim.
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I, for one, will sleep much easier knowing that these magical seals will act as a barrier
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Char34. You've got to 41 and remained that narrow minded? That must take a shitload of effort - I applaud your dedication!
Is that recess in the cliff behind the skateboarder where a Buddha statue once was?
Is that recess in the cliff behind the skateboarder where a Buddha statue once was?
sadly yes 🙁
While I would not support the lunatic/hooligan element of the EDL, do you not think they do have a bit of a point?
I do not want my home country invaded by tens of millions of immigrants.
I think we should be able to speak up with a point of view without being branded as an ignorant Nazi/facist/racist.
Have any of you, that are getting a little kick out of posting on here with your liberal, holier than thou, comments ever lived in a Muslim country?
I do not want my home country invaded by tens of millions of immigrants.
Has this thread been secretly nominated as the place for moronic comments or something? If so I quite like the idea. Keep the idiots in here then everyone else can ignore them.