[Closed] Ed Who?

They're all Tories anyway really. We need a proper socialist labour government, renationalise major industries and hit the rich much harder.

renationalise major industries

Ha! 'Red' Ed.

Union puppet pips his brother to the post thanks to the union vote.

This combined with Labour opting for Ken Livingston as mayoral candidate rather than the immeasurably more capable Oona King and they really are setting themselves up for a long stay in the wilderness.

Which is right where we want them. And by 'we' I refer to the members of the sane community.

Maybe not as bad as I thought then.

- The last person to realise your insane, is you.

tinribz - Member

Maybe not as bad as I thought then.

- The last person to realise your insane, is you.

I disagree with you.

And so do I.

😉

White, middle class, Oxford educated male with no previous career outside politics.

Right on brother!

Milibastard! 😀

viva la revolution!
I agree with loddrik, they're all shit,

immeasurably more capable Oona King

Who, as MP for Tower Hamlets, oversaw the destruction of virtually all Further Adult Education in the borough, as well as much of the land grab in Docklands by greedy corporations, while doing nothing to address the enormous need for Social Housing.

Blairite stooge who supported the illegal invasion of Iraq. Career politician with little or no consideration for the vast majority of local residents, instead more interested in furthering her own career and using her position and influence to help out her own friends. Used her media connections to wage a dirty publicity campaign against her successor, George Galloway.

I've got the right to say all this as someone negatively affected by her selfish and divisive policies.

Dirty bastard.

And don't get me started on that racist hypocrite Diane Abbot....

And by 'we' I refer to the members of the [s]sane[/s] greedy selfish Thatcherite community

FTFY.

His lips remind me of Barney.

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And what's wrong with Diane Abbott?

She's a racist hypocrite.

tinribz - Member

........ are the Unions playing some game.

"The unions" had no say in this election.

It was decided by individual Labour Party members, Labour MPs and MEPs, and [i]individual[/i] trade union members.

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Elfinsafety - Member

She's a racist hypocrite.

Sometimes mate, you really do talk complete shite 🙂

Racist:

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Abbott#Criticism_of_Finnish_nurses ]

In 1996, Abbott was accused of racism when she suggested that [b]"blonde, blue-eyed Finnish girls"[/b] in her local hospital in West London were unsuitable as nurses because they "may never have met a black person before." Abbott's comments were supported by Bernie Grant, a fellow black MP whose Tottenham constituency borders hers. "She is quite right," he said. "Bringing someone here from Finland who has never seen a black person before and expecting them to have some empathy with black people is nonsense." Conservative MP Ian Bruce stated that he had "never heard such racist rubbish from a Member of Parliament in recent years." Abbott was also accused of ignorance by the Anti-Racist Alliance executive member Marc Wadsworth, who is half-Finnish, who pointed out that at that time the Miss Finland, Lola Odusoga, was black, of Nigerian and Finnish descent. "She's a black Finn like me," he said. Abbott apologised for her remarks and said her main priority was to ensure that her constituents received medical treatment from the very best people "irrespective of race".

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Abbott#Stance_on_private_education ]

Her decision in 2003 to send her son to the private £10,000 a year City of London School, [b]which she herself described as "indefensible" and "intellectually incoherent"[/b], caused controversy and was seen by some as hypocritical not least because she had previously criticised Tony Blair and Harriet Harman for sending their children to selective state schools.[13][14][15][16] It later emerged that Abbott had applied to three private schools for her son.[17][18] In June 2010 when questioned by Andrew Neil over the issue, Abbott defended her decision with the comment, "West Indian mums will go to the wall for their children." Neil replied, "So black mums love their kids more than white mums, do they?" and suggested that Abbott's comment was a racist remark, Abbott refused to reply.

I'll accept your apology.

I agree with Elfnsfty re Ms King, egotistical, Blairite, I've never heard her say anything clever or insightful: it's all about her, her background, black AND jewish (who cares?), lifestyle, infertility blah blah. Incidentally, I used to teach the current occupier of that seat, she's much nicer.

Incidentally, I used to teach the current occupier of that seat, she's much nicer.

Rushanara Ali? Really? Where did you teach?

Don't know much about her, but she is at least a 'local'; she grew up and has lived in Tower Hamlets, unlike Oona King what is just a yuppie who took advantage of the cheap housing before the boom. Perhaps making her better qualified to understand more fully the needs of her constituents.

Hell of a shame about Oona King, I used to think she was quite cute, well for an MP anyway. 🙂
Had no idea she was such a nasty piece of work.

Diane Abbot has been a laughing stock for years - it would appear that she's the only one who doesn't know it.

I'd like to see Shami Chakrabarti leading the Labour Party someday, but she appears to have too much decency and integrity ever to get involved in party politics. Shame really.

"The unions" had no say in this election.

It was decided by individual Labour Party members, Labour MPs and MEPs, and individual trade union members.

So, someone who was both a Labour party member and a Union member would effectively have two votes? Well, actually the equivalent one and a bit votes, whereas the vote of a Labour MEP would be worth about 600 individual member votes...

I look forward to [i]the usual suspects[/i] lecturing us how the majority of the electorate didn't vote for these [/i]tory cuts[/i] - but choosing to ignore the fact that the majority of their membership chose a different party leader

Whatever you think about Ken Livingstons policies and personality he clearly is quite capable.

As for bravohotels rantings - you really have no idea do you. Red Ed? He is a moderate muppet and no Union stooge. Dear Oh dear

[i][b]"In 1996, Abbott was accused of racism...."[/i][/b]

And of course anyone who is accused of being racist must be one. Specially when the accuser is a political opponent.

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[b][i]"Her decision in 2003 to send her son to the private £10,000 a year City of London School......."[/i][/b]

Abbot has voted against private education. By doing so, she also voted in favour of her son not receiving private education. As long as private education exists, I see no reason she, or anyone else, shouldn't use it. It would have been hypocritical to say "I am opposed to privileged education, but won't vote against it because I want my son to receive it"

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BillMC - Member

I've never heard her say anything clever or insightful: it's all about her, her background, black AND jewish (who cares?)

😕 you've never heard her say anything clever or insightful, and it's all about her being "Jewish" ?

I think you might not have paid attention. I don't know how much is goes on about being Jewish, but I'm fairly certain that she's not Jewish. Are you confusing her with Oona King ?

Ooh Shami Chakrabati...

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she appears to have too much decency and integrity ever to get involved in party politics

Tis true. She's also got stuff written on her face. Disqualified. 🙁

I taught RA A levels in Sociology and Economics in a TH girls' comp before she went off to Oxford.

Who's not paying attention, I was talking about Oonah King.

And of course anyone who is accused of being racist must be one

She is! Read that article ffs! The evidence is there for all to see! She's a ****ing racist! And that's just one example mate.

Abbot has voted against private education. By doing so, she also voted in favour of her son not receiving private education.

Knowing that the outcome of any vote would have no impact on her son! She even said herself that her actions were 'indefensible'!!!!!! CAN YOU NOT READ???!?!?!

So, far from me talking 'shite', it appears I'm right. Again. [i]AGAIN[/i].

So, where's this apology? I've done you, and you know it. Don't start all this blablahblah bollocks you're just digging a hole for yourself.

don't know how much is goes on about being Jewish, but I'm fairly certain that she's not Jewish. Are you confusing her with Oona King ?

HE'S TALKING ABOUT OONA ****ING KING YOU NUMPTY!

CAN

YOU

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READ??????

Cheeze I'm off down't shop. Anyone want owt?

BillMC; nice one. You possibly know people I do actually. Can't think who I know worked at Mulberry right at this very moment, but I do know someone from there I'm sure.

Mind you'd've been teaching there quite a while ago. I was probbly at TH College at the time.

BillMC - Member

Who's not paying attention, I was talking about Oonah King

Sorry mate.......indeed it was me who wasn't paying attention....what a tw4t 😐

In my defence, I got a little confused due to Effin's simultaneous hysterical slagging off of 2 black female members of the Labour Party. But yeah, I agree totally with your comments concerning Oona King in that case. In fact I'm stunned she managed to find 30 odd % who were prepared to vote for her.

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Effin - RE Abbot. You have the intellectual capacity of a Sun reader. I can't be arsed to argue with you.

Elfin, pick us up a bottle of Jamesons will ya? I'll see you right at the end of the month. Cheers.

Anyway, onto the fragrant Ms. Abbot. Staunch socialist who is against private education. Fine, I'm OK with that. Staunch socialist who then pays to send her own child to an institution she passionately disagrees with? In my mind that certainly smacks of hypocrisy to me.

The anti-racist Ms. Abbot who believes that [b][i]white[/i][/b] Finns can't look after [b][i]black[/b][/i] patients as they can't empathise. So, if I'm in hospital and request that no black staff tend to my needs as they wouldn't understand them, would that be OK? Racist may be pushing things but it would certainly be downright bloody ignorant.

Effin's simultaneous hysterical slagging off of 2 black female members of the Labour Party.

WTF have their colour got to do with anything? Did I mention it? No.

Proof that you are a racist as well. You'll get on well with Diane.

Effin - RE Abbot. You have the intellectual capacity of a Sun reader. I can't be arsed to argue with you.

I take that as a compliment from someone with the intellectual capacity of a Sunday Sport reader.

Just because I'm right and you are wrong.

Ed might turn out to be a good choice, it's hard to say since he doesn't really seem to have done anything at all til now.

Coyote - Member

"Anyway, onto the fragrant Ms. Abbot. Staunch socialist who is against private education. Fine, I'm OK with that. Staunch socialist who then pays to send her own child to an institution she passionately disagrees with? In my mind that certainly smacks of hypocrisy to me."

This is an old argument- the defence is that you can fight to change the system but in the meantime you have to deal with the system that exists now. I don't see any hypocrisy in this tbh.

She IS a racist though.

I once challenged Abbott on a few issues at a conference and I was surprised to find she was quite thick....and not just physically.

i have no idea who Ed Milliband really is, but i am happy to let him win me over.

i've been listening him speak to Mr Marr for about 15 mins, and he's doing an excellent job of convincing that he's an irritating idiot.

i don't talk about it much, but i can see the future, and Ed will never be PM.

bugger.

- it gets worse! - he wants to impose a graduate tax! - jesus wept. what a good way to encourage people to train as doctors, teachers, scientists, engineers, architects, etc.

Apparently, I went to the same school as him - he was a couple of years older. Don't remember him at all.

Rachel

Perhaps 'Mili Tant' from Viz would have been better than mili band....

not a fanof the AV voting system as you can end up with the least unpopular choice rather than the most popular hence why lib dems favour it.Mant Tories and lab voters wills wicth to lib dems to stop the other party rather thna because they support the Lib dems.

And by 'we' I refer to the members of the sane community.

I also noted that a number of labour MPs voted all the way down to 5 how can the Last vote ever be transferred .. Muppets.

Oi, Ernie; where's that apology?

😆 😆 😆

No but seriously, he can give it, but he can't take it. It's ok when he's up against lightweights like LabZulu or Spongebob or someone, but as soon as he comes up against real talent he shuts up shop. Accused me of talking shite, I produce evidence to the contrary, then he throws his toys out of the pram and insults my intelligence. Sooo mature.

Then, on the 'BadlyWiredDog has no sense of taste or style' thread, he calls me a 'racist'. 😯

I think the man's demented, quite frankly. Sliding inexorably into senility...

Poor bastard. 🙁

This is great! It's like watching all the lefty ferrets fighting in a sack! 😉

Dont worry your own lot will repeal it and you can fulfil your blood lust as nature intended...on horseback with a wide cross section of society and some hounds that dont terrorise or cause undue stress....ah you cant persuade your little brother..ahh so both sides have one as boss then 😉
This is a little like the scene from Life of Brian though you are correct

I think I recognise most of the words but the meaning is lost...

I agree with zulu-eleven the electoral system is not equal and should be one member one vote. I dont think labour party members and affiliated union members [ who do this by choice you can be in those unions and not be part of labour*] get more than one vote do they? Any link?I honestly dont know and google was not helpful. Anyone know for certain?
Think, given that Labour grew from the unions it is reasonable they get a vote but one person one vote is hard to argue against.

I don't think anyone needs a lecture in democracy from ratty, after all he has on this forum, dismissed democracy as "a silly little experiment". His objections are based on the fact that his preferred choice didn't win, which is a huge relief to me.

Note how ratty chooses to remain quiet about the voting power of Labour MPs (who voted for the candidate he preferred) [b]Each vote of one MP is worth the votes of 608 party members.[/b]

Yes, members of affiliated unions get a vote because they are affiliated members of Labour Party (unless they choose not to pay their political levy. The Labour Party did more than just 'grow' out of the trade union movement, it was formed by the trade unions to represent them in parliament.

When the Labour Party was first formed it had no members, just affiliated organisations (not just trade unions but organisations such as the Fabian Society and Co-ops). Then someone had the bright idea to create "individual party members" for people who had nothing to do with the trade unions and wider labour movement. That's when the rot set in, and the party which was created to represent ordinary working people, was hijacked.

Today, the organisations which first formed the Labour Party are still very occasionally allowed a say. And yes, yesterday affiliated members (there is no such thing as a "trade union" vote) had a say in the choice of leader. Nothing wrong with that, and in fact, I think there is something highly democratic that someone who might be in the LibDem Party, or even the Tory Party, had a vote.

So yes, if you happened to be an individual member as well as an affiliated member, your vote was worth more. But not on a 2 to 1 basis. Because of the complex nature of the electoral college, their vote would gone from being worth 0.2 votes to 1.2 votes. As I've already mentioned, an MP vote was worth the votes of 608 party members.

Is it fair ? ....well we could argue about that. What there isn't any doubt at all about, is that it is immeasurably fairer than the last leadership election, when the MPs refused to let the party have any say at all in deciding the leader, and stitched it up amongst themselves.

Finally, there is a lot of talk how Ed Miliband was the trade union choice - he wasn't. In the first round, most affiliated members (there is no trade union section) voted for candidates other than Ed Miliband. It just turned out that they backed David Miliband even less. And thank f##k for that.

Effinshitegob - Member

No but seriously, he can give it, but he can't take it. It's ok when he's up against lightweights like LabZulu or Spongebob or someone, but as soon as he comes up against real talent he shuts up shop.

Hahahahaha ! You're a ****ing comedian mate 😀

Yawn...

What? Did someone say something?

I'm off down the pub.

And don't you start Flashy...

Elfinsafety - Member

immeasurably more capable Oona King

Who, as MP for Tower Hamlets, oversaw the destruction of virtually all Further Adult Education in the borough, as well as much of the land grab in Docklands by greedy corporations, while doing nothing to address the enormous need for Social Housing.

Blairite stooge who supported the illegal invasion of Iraq. Career politician with little or no consideration for the vast majority of local residents, instead more interested in furthering her own career and using her position and influence to help out her own friends. Used her media connections to wage a dirty publicity campaign against her successor, George Galloway.

I've got the right to say all this as someone negatively affected by her selfish and divisive policies.

Dirty bastard.

And don't get me started on that racist hypocrite Diane Abbot....

Which left wing politicians DO you like then?

May I recommend one of these...... 😆
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i dont think an affiliated union rep needs a lecture on union/labour history either but as I said one person one vote is hard to argue against.

In the first round, most affiliated members (there is no trade union section) voted for candidates other than Ed Miliband

i dont think an affiliated union rep needs a lecture on union/labour history either but as I said one person one vote is hard to argue against.

Well apparently this affiliated union rep didn't know the answer to a simple question and asked if anyone knew :

[i]"I dont think labour party members and affiliated union members [ who do this by choice you can be in those unions and not be part of labour*] get more than one vote do they? Any link?I honestly dont know and google was not helpful. Anyone know for certain?"[/i]

And you might be surprised to learn JY, that the post was not only uniquely aimed at you. It was also aimed at ratty and other critics. Deepest apologies if it offended you, but tough sh1t

🙂

Which left wing politicians DO you like then?

Proper sincere Left Wing ones, not bloody charlatan career politicians like Oona King, Tony Blair and Diane Abbot who pretend to be interested in the needs of people yet are only concerned with lining their own nests. Bastards.

Ones who might get the Tube into work, rather than taxis/limos, and who might eat in a greasy spoon rather than some fancy poncy bistro or or-****ing-ganic vegetarian delicatessen ****y faux-fair trade coffee shop.

RED KEN CHA CHA CHA!

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That man should be leader of the Labour Party/next PM, not a Milibastard.

Can't recommend it, as I've not tried one, but you might like to:

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Ones who might get the Tube into work, rather than taxis/limos,

who might eat in a greasy spoon rather than some fancy poncy bistro or or-****ing-ganic vegetarian delicatessen ****y faux-fair trade coffee shop

A greasy spoon - http://www.lepontdelatour.co.uk/?gclid=CJ2wjsq8paQCFQGY2AodEA5H4g

A

Proper sincere Left Wing [politician], not bloody charlatan career politician

Ahem.

Ok then Flashy:

[url= http://www.****/news/article-1198201/Ken-Livingstones-16-000-dining-lavish-restaurants--paid-taxpayers.html ]

A spokesman for Mr Livingstone said: 'A central responsibility of the Mayor of London is to promote the city internationally, helping attract business and major sporting events to the capital. This requires meeting business leaders, politicians, the mayors of the leading cities of the world and sporting organisers in order to secure investment in London.
'Credit card expenditure was signed off by the director of finance and scrutinised by the Greater London Assembly's audit panel and open to scrutiny by the London Assembly.
'The GLA holds all of the detail associated with this and they are in a position to answer any inquiries regarding any details.'

From the Daily Fail too; a noted supporter of Mr Livingstone, eh? 🙄

So, he runs up a bill promoting London? Hardly feathering his own moat/duck house etc...

As for the taxis; helping support London enterprise. Got a problem with that? Probbly works out far, far cheaper than using a car + chauffeur (I'd imagine a car and driver would cost a lot more than £260). Prbbly cheaper thaan the train (assuming he had an assistant etc with him), and a hell of a lot cheaper than taxi + flight.

Work out how much a car + driver would cost per year, for the same journeys, then get back to me eh, there's a good chap.

What a rubbish attempt. That the best you can do? Don't get me started, or I'll start on your beloved Buffoon...

BTW my shoes are outside the door. I'd like a nice shine on them please.

The Labour Party, ever since it first became a successful electoral machine, has attracted of careerists and opportunists. The Labour Party's checkered history is characterised by betrayal after betrayal. From Ramsay MacDonald (are you paying attention Junkyard ?) to Tony Blair.

That its upper echelons attract those with strong bourgeois tendencies should surprise no one, other than a fool such as Effin. [i]All[/i] successful institutions within a bourgeois society attract ambitious bourgeois individuals.......business, commerce, the church, the military, and yes, even successful labour institutions.

No one, should imo, support the Labour Party for any reason other than, the fact that it is immeasurably better than the alternative choice - the Tories. Any support I have ever given the Labour Party has been based on that one fact. I have always supported it like a rope supports a hanged man. Give it enough rope/power and it will always hang itself.

And that is indeed, what has always historically happened. Give it power, and it always fails to deliver........it ends up hanging itself.

I like Livingstone. Yes ultimately he is a bourgeois member of a bourgeois party, but he is measurably better than the alternative. You are wrong Flashheart when you say "I do know that Boris has had higher taxi bills than Livingstone, but that's another argument". It is not " another argument" it is the [u]same[/u] argument, because that is what the alternative is.

And let's look carefully at what the alternative is. According to my Daily Mail, Johnson spends FOUR TIMES more in one year on taxi fares than Livingston did. One of his claims was for £99.50 for a return journey from City Hall to Elephant and Castle, less than 1.5 miles away - at £33 a mile. Loads more here :

http://www.****/news/article-1195456/Cycling-Boris-Johnson-racks-4-698-taxi-bills-mayoral-expenses.html

And let's not forget Boris Johnson's (failed) attempt to claim £16.50 for a Remembrance Sunday wreath. As reported in your paper Flashheart :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5431700/MPs-expenses-Boris-Johnson-claimed-16.50-for-Remembrance-Sunday-wreath.html

No, Livingstone is far from being perfect. But I still remain a very small fan of his. And I will enthusiastically vote for him next mayoral election. I stopped supporting the Labour Party electorally in 1995 because of Tony Blair/New Labour, but I have maintained my respect for Livingstone.

And just to put that 8 year old story that you dug up in context Flashheart, Livingstone as mayor of London, would undoubtedly have been entitled to first class train fare from Blackpool to London, I doubt whether it would have been much less than the taxi fare.

a fool such as Effin

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ernie WTF has got into you of late? Every single post appears to be an attempt at one one-upmanship and too belittle. You used to have things to say now you have insults to fling. You could try and answer the legitimate point I made about one person one vote and the weakens of the electoral system and whether ed won the affiliate vote each round or not. Suppose insults are more your forte than reasonable debate.
As you quoted me and answered my stupid question I strangely thought it was a reply. I feel silly now for being so confused and jumping to conclusions 🙄

pparently this affiliated union rep didn't know

I honestly dont know

Everyone stop fighting please. It's not nice. 😥

(Is upset)

I agree it is very upsetting when that villainous Mr lynch picks on you

He's very nasty and cruel to me. 😥

You could try and answer the legitimate point

You asked a question concerning whether party members and affiliated union members had more than one vote. I answered it by saying yes they did, and gave a historical background to why they did. In response I got something about you not needing a history lesson. Which is fair enough I guess, although as I pointed out the post was not aimed solely at you, it was also aimed at other critics of the leadership election process, of which there are many. Frankly I wish I had just ignored you, you appear to be a sensitive little soul, despite your predisposition to be often quite stropy. At one point I was going to refer to you as Junky, and then remembered just how angry you get with ratty for calling you that. TBH I'd rather engage in mindless and pointless banter with Elfinsafety, than try and have a serious exchange of views with someone as touchy as you. As far as one-upmanship is concerned, I'm more than happy to let "win" this argument.

Ha ha!

Ernie, Hook line and sinker mate!

Hook, line and sinker...

mindless and pointless banter with Elfinsafety

Oi!

No, actually...

Oh and BTW, aren't us 'Lefties' meant to be on the same side? All this bickering won't bring about unity, will it? Meanwhile, all the Tory Boys are laughing at you.

So come on, Solidarity Brothers! Let's drive the Tory bastards back into their stately homes!

Then eat them. BBQued Captain Flashheart anyone? And to add the final insult, serve him with chilli sauce, like a proper dirty proletarian kebab.

LabZulu would be inedible though. Too bitter. And it would make you sick. Bleeuurgh!

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mindless and pointless banter with Elfinsafety

[b] " Oi!

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Yeah I know mate .......whilst I'm pulling your plonka, you see it as your intellectual capacities being stretched to their very limits.

😆

it was also aimed at other critics of the leadership election process

was going to refer to you as Junky, and then remembered just how angry you get with ratty for calling you that. TBH I'd rather engage in mindless and pointless banter with Elfinsafety, than try and have a serious exchange of views with someone as touchy as you

whilst I'm pulling your plonka, you see it as your intellectual capacities being stretched to their very limits.

Don't pull my plonka please, it's not very nice and I don't like my intellectual capabilities being stretched to their very limits. 🙁

What about Virginia Bottomley? With hot Garlic Butter?

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Ooohhh.....

Might need to have a little lie down now.