[Closed] Ed Millibands Labour 'Relaunch'

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The Indy did ( and nailed it ).

Heard something about it, but I attributed the noise to this...

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What happened? Was it on the news?

Jeeze he's utterly useless. I say scrap the Labour Party now, and start again.

A proper Labour leader would be kicking Cameron up and down the corridors of Westminister. It's as though the Tories elected a total spineless dick of a leader, so Labour had to try to go one better.

I'd love to see Red Ken (cha cha cha) as Labour leader. That would properly terrify Middle England...

... but he seems so dynamic.....

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We can do better than that Fred. Elect Bob Crow as Labour Leader!!!!

The Daily Mail would go into total meltdown! Their offices would literally be covered in blood from their editorial writers heads exploding from outrage-overload 😀

Ah he's proper shit, in't he? Jeeze... 😆

Looks like young versions of Oona King and Diane Abbott with him there.

Elect Bob Crow as Labour Leader!!!!

Nah, Minister for Transport. 😉

It's quite sad seeing someone so obviously out of his depth and floundering. I think it will be amazing if he pulls this one round. If Labour were really ready they would administer the coup de grace now but probably favours the big hitters (sic) to lay low for a while as no politician will come out of this crisis smelling nicely. Good time to stay in the shadows?

The sadness quickly goes when you think back though......!

that mouse pic is fantastic 😀

Damn it Dan, I have just choked on my coffee. 😀

The girl on the left is priceless

He's Labour's IDS. Strong, principled (whether you agree with him or not), social convictions, zero political nouse, zero charisma.

Whenever I see him on PMQs I'm always reminded of the lad that played Pitt The Younger in Blackadder.

Like the Tories before them, Labour need to go through a few leaders until they get to one not associated with the BlairBrown years beofe they'll win an election again.

he's not useless, he's gritty and strong. he said so. anyone who makes cameron look OK, must be a total vacuum.

Dan that pic is amazing! 🙂

I had to laugh at the Radio 4 interview yesterday morning, as when they compared him and John Humphreys to Jedward, just so funny that a political leader is being laughed at in the studio, so not a good sign for a dynamic leader inspiring people.

Yvette cooper will kick him in to touch and then the Tories will start bricking it.

It's unbelievable really isn't it. Party elects the wrong brother and nobody has the sense to shout 'stop! mistake!' and sort it out. I actually can't listen to his speech impediment, oil slick of a mouth delivery. Listening to him on the Today programme yesterday was beyond sad, it was pathetic really. In the meantime Cameron is puffing out his cheeks and getting comfy... blah... 😐

That picture is indeed class Dan. The girl on the left, with that look on her face, represents the British electorate.

All that's missing is the 'I'm with Stupid' t shirt 😀

All that is missing is him having the same tie as the girls, then I could easily believe they go to the same school.

I reckon he'll resign before the year is out.

According to the gossip column he'd still easily beat ElfNsafety in a fist fight which I find really, really funny. 😆

Yvette cooper will kick him in to touch and then the Tories will start bricking it.

Definitely the funniest post of the year.

Yvette Cooper may be better than the rest, but she's as scary as a stack of waffles to a hungry Belgian. Cameron is clearly a weak leader, but if the hardest opposition is Clegg and Cooper, he'll be looking to not just the next election but the one after that.

Hmmm...

Labour governments of old did some really great things, like creating the NHS and privatising the railways. But thats a distant memory.

The only thing that would entice me to vote Labour again would be if they held a public show trial and subsequent life imprisonment of everyone who was involved with the New Labour project. Maybe it would help too if they had some policies too instead of trying to out Tory the Tories.

According to the gossip column he'd still easily beat ElfNsafety in a fist fight which I find really, really funny.

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You're actually Not Very Well, are you?

Bless.

I think the electorate will like Yvette Cooper, and stir echoes of Maggie etc, could be very electable.
Still being in a relationship to Balls, is not a good omen.

It's as though the Tories elected a total spineless dick of a leader, so Labour had to try to go one better.

I'd like to see someone with a bit more maturity and life experience lead the country. Currently there isn't a single party that interests me enough to vote for them.

and stir echoes of Maggie etc

can't wait

and stir echoes of Maggie

And

instead of trying to out Tory the Tories

If that's the level of confusion around the opposition; DaveCam must be chuckling into his Champers

Who?

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Is the term BLESS your attempt at being patronising or are you a Holy Elf boy? And do you wear robes in front of your congregation or prefer your normal full frontal stance?

Eh, ElfBwoy (Reverand Rambler)?

I am still laughing at the photo now!

Is the term BLESS your attempt at being patronising or are you a Holy Elf boy? And do you wear robes in front of your congregation or prefer your normal full frontal stance?

Are you aware that help is still available on the NHS? I'd get in quick if I were you though, cos CallMeDave's lot will put an end to that soon...

Incidentally, one of the girls in dan1980's photo later recalled her meeting with Ed Milliband in visual form. The Labour leader, it appears, did not come across well:

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I suppose i’m a potential labour voter; i’m not rich, i like public services.

there are lots of people like me.

But I guess many of us couldn’t bring ourselves to vote for Ed and Ed.

Is the crap labour leadership our fault? – i’m not a labour party member, i have no say in deciding the leadership.

Is it a bit like ‘not voting and still complaining about the result’?

Camo, that's ace! 🙂

Is that it?

tut tut

Trades union throwbacks elect a totally useless geek to lead their host cadaver of a party, shocka...

It's pathetic really, but we're the losers ffs our country is being lead by a bloke you wouldn't trust to hold your bike and opposed by t.wats that would only serve us best bent over as bike racks..

I mean it seriously would you go on a ride with any of them?

No, but I don't think I'd go on a ride with you either. 🙂

The reason the tories were in power for so long in the 80's and 90's is that Labour had leaders who were unelectable as a PM.

Deja vu?

ScottChegg - Member
No, but I don't think I'd go on a ride with you either.

The reason the tories were in power for so long in the 80's and 90's is that Labour had [b]policies that[/b] were unelectable

So, in order to get into power, NL had to become Tory. That rather leaves Mr Miliband with few cards to play.

He'll have to rely on his charm and winning smile.

God help him.

Good time to stay in the shadows?

That rather leaves Mr Miliband with few cards to play.

He could declare himself a Jihadist convert, bent on the destruction of western society, and I doubt anyone would even notice

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Miliband earlier.

"oh man, not pan..."

We should call him Ed Miliwatt.

Moderate performance on Marr this morning.. Started with usual inane grin - doesn't he have any media advice?!? But it is bizarre that a Labour leader defends providing benefits to all and no means testing in the face f lack of resources ie, welfare for disabled after 18 and that he was proud of Labour allowing the banks to run riot thereby providing the income for labour to spend on public sector.mmmmm. Marr led him straight into that trap!

Lots of references to Ed and I - keep your friends close and your enemies even closer?

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Lots of references to Ed and I - keep your friends close and your enemies even closer?

Possibly. Or maybe 'if you go down, be sure to take some other bugger with you'...

teamhurtmore - Member

.......he was proud of Labour allowing the banks to run riot

You just can't help yourself can you teamhurtmore ? ........ making stuff up to suit your own personal political agenda.

Not only is your claim false but it's the complete opposite of the truth, ie, Miliband [i]specifically[/i] said that the last Labour government “got it wrong” on bank regulation.

And I'm not the only one to have heard him say that, Matthew Sparkes of the Daily Telegraph, also heard him say it :

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9015947/Ed-Miliband-we-got-it-wrong-on-bank-regulation.html ]Ed Miliband: we got it wrong on bank regulation[/url]

[i]Appearing on the Andrew Marr Show this morning he said: "We got it wrong on bank regulation."[/i]

I am no supporter of the Labour Party, I was no fan of the last Labour Government, and I'm certainly no great fan of Ed Miliband, but I have sufficient confidence in what I believe not to have to make stuff up.

If "the truth" didn't sit comfortably with my political/ ideological/philosophical beliefs, then I would change/adapt my political/ ideological/philosophical beliefs until it did.

I suggest that you consider doing the same, rather than relying on the messy and rather risky strategy of making stuff up.

Although to fair to you, you are hardly unique......the history of modern British politics is the history of enduring myths and false claims. Which it has to be said, have had a stunning and quite remarkable level of success. So maybe just try to avoid contradicting "the glaring truth" 💡

We need better opposition at a time like this...
I reckon Labour are in the wilderness for the next Parliament, just like Tories were for 13 years, running through a series of inadequate leaders...
Keep an eye on David. He knows his brother. I think he knew his brother would screw it up and is waiting for his moment and will jump back in. Sometime in the next 12 months for sure, very possibly sooner after this weekend's shenanigans. If I were a Labour MP I'd be working out how to get rid of him now.
Essential problem with Ed is he manipulated his way into power by playing the way the voting system worked. He is not representing the views of his party members and has no support underneath as a result so now he's struggling he has no allies to back him up/counter the negativity. Who wants to be led by someone who tricked them?

Earnie. I can help myself very much thanks. But Ed made an error in his effort to get back on script this morning. Marr was gently probing about the difference between Ball's new appetite for admitting errors and Milibands greater reluctance. So he summarised Labours track record as being light on banks, enjoying the taxation on banks and the ability to spend that money in the public sector. Now either EM wasn't listening carefully or he wanted to get his pre-determined tagline too quickly, but he replied immediately by saying that he was proud of the record as Marr had described. Not sure how this is making it up?

The we got it wrong came later.

To be fair to EM I thought the summary of his words used in the news bulletin was particularly one- sided and harsh

it is sad sign for politics when we care more about his lack of charisma than what he stands for
Obviously he is very weak on both fronts but I yearn for the days when a politician stood for something and then did it[CLEGG FFS the man should be hounded out of political office by everyone for what he has done and yet Milliband gets the grief for being weak in opposition - he is in the govt and is just a nodding poodle- anyone any idea what he stands for - like we would believe it anyway- he must be delighted at milliband stealing his ire.

Cameron is a PR man , Blair was a PR man and Thatcher was a PR person - she was the first so she managed to sell the principled stance much better than the last lot.

Opposition leaders always look weaker than PM's as they lack the gravitas the office gives.....I suppose we can look fwd to some nice media friendly fop with huge charisma charming his way into office with nothing of substance to offer the people

the return of the King [shudders]
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miliband was ok on marr this morning
he is particularly uninspiring though and very poor at getting his point across,

remember that up until xmas ed was ahead of cameron in the polls!!!
showing just how unlikeable callmedave is- and as for clegg.....

all this leaves the 'other' milliband with a glaring opportunity should he wish to come back and can oust his brother in a relatively painless manner

JY, Even sadder when political needs/media etc confuse or obscure rationale debate.

Of course my comments on EM are a tiny wind up - he made a slip and Marr trapped him a little mischievously. He recovered by the end with the we got it wrong stuff.

Far more interesting was the reaction to Ed Balls both from within his party, across the benches, from the unions, The New Statesman etc. you wonder if they actually listened or read his speech. I do not like the guy's persona but actually found his speech extremely interesting. He is a lot smarter that his media persona and his behaviour suggest (first in PPE Oxford and Harvard Economics). His comments on Keynesianism and the Labour party were particularly interesting and relevant especially in relation to how it is so hard to debate policy correctly because of the mis-understanding of Keynes and the Labour party's position. It should be a must read, especially before commentary!

We got it wrong on bank regulation.

If [b]only[/b] he had come to this realisation whilst in government, working as special adviser to the Chancellor of the Exchequer... what an amazing thing that when the political wind magically blows the other way he can shed crocodile tears for the errors made in office (wasn't me everyone, a big boy did it and ran away...)

Darling's memoir stated that Brown thought all the banking crises would 'blow over'

With a clot like that at the helm, it's a wonder Cameron didn't cruise the last election.

Ed Millibands forever ... LOL!

If only he had come to this realisation whilst in government, working as special adviser to the Chancellor of the Exchequer... what an amazing thing that when the political wind magically blows the other way he can shed crocodile tears for the errors made in office (wasn't me everyone, a big boy did it and ran away...

Would you respect him ore if he did not admit that he made mistakes?
Did i miss anyone ranting about bank regulation, predicting the demise prior to the sub prime crash in the USA? Did dave- in fact you have admirably pointed out he has never ever blamed the banks

Did i miss you post on relentlessly about how the markets needed regulating and this was hampering the economy? I am sorry but I never knew how much you were seriously into market inteference but at least now you are pleased the left has joined you on the right in wanting market regulation.

Whatever he had done you would be slagging him off and attitudes like this gives up politicians who use newspeak, dont ever admit failings or difficulties in the decisions they make and reach and we get lovely presentation and not much substance on all sides.

THM balls just shows again that we need spin and presentation at least the same as skill and wisdom...its a tragic loss as we want good politicians not good spin doctors who could win a celebrity vote off as they are nice

[url= http://yepwecan.co.uk/celebrity-mind-raid-ed-miliband/ ]http://yepwecan.co.uk/celebrity-mind-raid-ed-miliband/[/url]

JY - read that last sentance as a dig at first!! Took a couple of reads because of the "b"!! Did you read his speech? I put the link on the European thread.

There's a few of these bright people who try there best to hide their real intelligence - Rachel Reeves seems to be one of them. At least that blonde Tory bird plays it as she is - barking!!

Balls unlikely to win a celebrity vote off, I doubt his better half would either.

He is my MP and is a 2 face waste of space infact everything that is wrong with new labour you can see in him.
It was a sad day for the working class ( not middle class income people who kid themselves they are still working class )when Blair killed off the labour party to form new labour and they became Torys all but in name.
The unions must take some blame for still backing them after all these years but i quess when your a full time offical on £70,000 a year upwards you have more in common with the MP,s than the people you are suppose to be looking after some earning less than £12,000 pa for a 40 hr week .At least with the Torys you know they will tax the poor to look after the rich or get rid of load of puplic workers so the money saved can pay for tunnels for the new railway so the torys can look out on to there land without seeing the trains.

read that last sentance as a dig at first!!

Oh dear. Its really not going well, is it?

[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jan/16/ed-miliband-leading-labour-destruction ]the muppets who backed you have realised their mistake[/url]

It took them long enough!

LOLitics!

I'm still unsure as to the exact reason the Labour party chose the weaker of the two brothers. One can only assume that the union vote pushed him as they believed the "Red Ed" hype about him.

As above, they seem to have rather come unstuck!

So Ed's teed up by re-launch, new strategy and armed with econ data that can only put CMD on the ropes and he.......blows it again at PMQ. How long can this suffering be allowed to continue? It's cruelty?

No matter how catastrophic the economic results are, CMD bitch-slaps him around the place week after week. Its even worse than watching 'the Quiet Man' trying to land one on Blair

It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so utterly and completely depressing. They say the Tories are out of touch, but not half as out of touch as Labour if they think this useless half-wit is playing well anywhere, never mind with their core vote.

Its actually getting really bloody annoying now! CMD knows full well he can pretty much do anything he likes as the 'opposition' is so feeble. In fact, even using the term 'opposition' is laughable at the moment!

Even the New Statesman headlined its report, "Cameron can't believe his luck"

I liked Ed Balls speech but then on Newsnight last night he went back to his annoying alter ego that is hard not- to-hate!

In deselecting the other brother/Andy Burnham, the unions ensured Tory rule for the foreseeable future.

Ed and Ed....Jesus, could they be less appealing as politicians?

It's just not working is it TBH the Labour leadership was always going to be a poisoned challace...

But they did pick the most chinnless gonk, I mean he doesn't exactly exude competance does he...

For the current Labour leadership not to be making any noticable headway in oposition at the minute seems barely believable, when you consider they are faced with - a coalition government that seem pretty much set on "slash and burn" public sector policies and and some bumpf about Dave's vision for a "Big society"...

I think if t'other Milliband is more shrewd he would probably be wise to keep his name out of the running as next Labour leader, simply because I don't think he would have a hope of undoing the damage caused by his Brothers weak leadership before the next election...

Sadly the job is no longer just about policy but presence, charisma and presentation, Eds not really doing the business on any front at the minute...

a coalition government that seem pretty much set on "slash and burn" public sector policies and and some bumpf about Dave's vision for a "Big society"...

the interesting counterpoint to this being that the 'slash and burn' isn't 'slashy' or 'burny' enough for some (more than you might think) of the tory supporters.

(at least, that's what reading some of the tory politico-blogs leads me to beleive)

it seems possible that CMD and 'call me George' really are trying not to be too nasty...

It's just not working is it TBH the Labour leadership was always going to be a poisoned challace...

This - if you had any serious chance at leading a major political party the time to run for leadership is not right after a major defeat, it's leaving it for a couple of years and then going for it. The Spanish socialists are doing the same thing right now.

but it wasn't a major defeat - hence the coalition.

labour lost because everyone hates Gordon.

Dave M should have had 4 or 5 easy years kicking tory arse all around the commons, followed by a landslide victory.

but Ed, Ed, and the unions ***ked it up.

ahwiles - Member
but it wasn't a major defeat.

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Oh, and that picture on the first page still cracks me up.

but it wasn't a major defeat - hence the coalition.

Wasn't a resounding success either though was it...

Especially when the Lib-dems, in theory Labours more natural allies, chose to get into bed with the Tory runners up, who (again in theory) they lack any real common values with, but were still seen as more palitable than Lib/Lab coalition...

i thought all the tories on here would be happy that red eds not so red after all, hes just another capitalist pig dog , like dave, nick, gordon, tony etc etc

the Labour leadership was always going to be a poisoned challace

On the contrary - it's being PM at the moment which is the poisoned chalice - leader of the opposition should be about as cushy a number as it's possible to get. Yet still he's incapable of doing the job properly. CMD can't believe his luck - at the last election I was confidently predicting he'd only last one term, but it looks increasingly likely he'll get voted back in.

I think if t'other Milliband is more shrewd he would probably be wise to keep his name out of the running as next Labour leader, simply because I don't think he would have a hope of undoing the damage caused by his Brothers weak leadership before the next election...

Interesting thought. It's hard to see big brother putting his name forward as part of a coup in any case, and being out of frontline politics isn't likely to help his cause if he did run. I wonder what the odds are on DM becoming the next Labour PM (following somebody else having a go - under whom he could re-enter the cabinet - and another election loss)?

Not a bad shout that aracer! Post the odds when you find them.

Especially when the Lib-dems, in theory Labours more natural allies, chose to get into bed with the Tory runners up, who (again in theory) they lack any real common values with, but were still seen as more palitable than Lib/Lab coalition...

You appear to still be in denial about the number of seats a Lib/Lab coalition would have had. I note your interesting use of the term "runners up" - remind me who the winners were?

Post the odds when you find them.

http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election/british-politics/next-prime-minister

10/1 - behind Boris, George and Yvette at 8s and Ed at 6/4 (you can get as much as 9/4 on Ed, which means they think he only has ~30% chance of becoming PM).

I liked Ed Balls speech but then on Newsnight last night he went back to his annoying alter ego that is hard not- to-hate!

He seems to have the special ability to annoy even those who agree with him

remind me who the winners were?

That is so funny in so many ways!!! None of them intentional I'm sure.