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I saw a listing for some MTB shoes & the listing had them down as size 8 & further down UK men's size 8. As I'm a size 8 I bid on them & won.
The shoes turned up & I try them on - well I couldn't get them on as they are a size 7 or 7.5 at the most. I then checked the label against another pair of the same make of shoes I have & although the label says UK 8 it also says EU 40 rather than EU 42 if they were a genuine UK size 8 - see pics.
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I contacted the private seller & pointed out that the shoes are not a UK size 8 as described, I will send them back to them & I wanted a full refund.
The comedian then comes back to me saying the eBay listing states - Please research if you require further details.These were a gift, wrong size, worn once...near new ! "
plus - Shoe Labels say 8, basis of bidding, questions welcomed !
Also, eBay option policy option of ' no returns' !
I should point out the the listing did not state ' Shoe Labels say 8, basis of bidding,'. After looking @ eBay's site I've drafted a considerate reply pointing out that the item was 'not as described' the shoes being not a UK size 8. I am asking for his/her return address for the shoes & a full refund.
I'm a little concerned that he/she had the 'No returns' option on the item & as such I'm shafted.
Any experiance, thoughts & humour appreciated on this issue. Am I in the right or do I have to suck this up & sell them on again myself?
Contact spesh
"No refunds" doesn't stop you from returning them if they were wrongly/falsely listed. <edit>
But they are size 8, it says so on the label. It might be the EU 40 is wrong
Hmmmm says uk 8 on the shoe so I would say the seller is right. link to the ad?
The Ebay shoes are womens'. The sizing is different...
Taho WMN Mtb
Hi mate
I think it's tough luck on you. The listing said UK men's 8, and the label on the shoes says UK mens 8. It's not the vendor's fault that there is an inconsistent conversion between US and UK sizing.
I certainly wouldn't think that the vendor is trying to shaft you - what would his motivation be for dishonesty here?
Sell them on (clearly stating the sizing info!) and chalk it up to experience.
CharlieM - they are not a size 8 mate believe me. The EU size is correct the UK size is wrong.
If you look @ the code at the top of the label my correct size 8 shoes are 6116 - 6342 the eBay shoes are 6115 - 6240. The last two figures are the EU sizing.
How was the seller to know? And if they did, they would have sold them at size 7. Certaily don't think he was looking to shaft you.
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Nothing appears to make any sense on any of the labels.
27 cm= size 9 (for me a size 9 would be 43 in Spain).
Then again I think Spanish numbers are different from other European sizes. They could be Spanish.
Chop yours Toes Off
What do you want for nothing !
Were they listed as womens shoes?
Druid - they were listed as UK men's size 8.
Assuming that the seller wasn't aware that they were not a size 8 surely now that I have demonstrated to him/her that there are not a UK size 8 as per his/her listing then he/she should have them back & give me a refund?
They are a size 8, just not a size 8 which fits you (as they are Womens fit).
What you do have on the seller, is that they are Womens shoes, not mens, which has made a big difference on the sizing.
As this was the case of, open up a resole a problem with eBay, the they are normally in the buyers side, so you should be able to get your money back as the seller was wrong.
See, if you'd gone to a shop (remember them before Ebay and Amazon closed them all down) and got some advice, fittings, you'd have all the pleasure of correctly fitting shoes, and possibly not even the ones you decided were right, but ones stocked in the shop that *were* right.
I am not being critical or pitching an easy shot at you personally, but just reminding you that internet shopping is cheaper for a reason - theres no customer "service".
I would "Never" buy shoes off the net. Most people know that size varies from maker to maker, no two size 8's are going to be exactly the same.
I bought some Northwaves last year and they were 8.5 yet my work shoes (DM's) are considered a large size 8, and I could get in to a 7.5 in someone elses range. Shimano neede to be a size 9!
There is a point to be made that going to save a couple of quid online, is not always a worthwhile thing, for a fairly low value purchase that will be used for years.
I know these were probably s/h - but used shoes? You dont know about athletes foot, or whatever. If you are cycling at the level that you need expensive shoes, you probably have a decent bike, and recession notwithstanding, probably need to reconfigure your priorities. The saving s/h for a dodgy set of untried fungus ridden footwear is probably not what you spend on a decent dinner for two or a big round of drinks in a bar.
they are a uk size 8, its just that they are a WOMENS uk size 8. send them back.
Which they're not. What you have there is a womens shoe, which will not fir you.crispy bacon - Member
Druid - they were listed as UK men's size 8.
Raise a dispute.
OP - It's a Specialized thing. They fit small as well as having international size conversions slightly out of kilter with the "norm".
I've got three pairs of Spesh all UK 11, when in every other pair of shoes I'm 9.5.
This is exactly why you should try before you buy. Where fit is so important (shoes, lids) you should always buy in a shop.
EDIT: yes I see they are also womens which might be the technicality that allows you to return them. Point being, even if they were mens there's still a good chance they wouldn't fit.
Mate, you're obviously an expert on Specialized's sizing codes, but you didn't take the opportunity to check with the vendor before buying. I'd say that the vendor hasn't knowingly mislead you, it's caveat emptor.
To be fair to the OP, I've also bought shoes on t'internet - when I know they'll fit me (like all my trainers and walking boots are Salomon). he has Tahos in a size 8 and he's bought another pair. That's a fairly safe bet - if what's delivered is what's advertised.
I'd give it a go on the understanding that the seller had made a mistake, an undestandable one at that, but the shoes are women's and not men's and although you agree they are an 8, they are a women's 26cm long size 8 and not a man's 27 cm long size 8, I imagine he knows that already though.
Good luck.
You could always stick them back on Ebay as I believe women also buy shoes and they are not unuseable, are they?
I'm a size 8 normally but always a size up in bike shoes
I bought some size 8's years ago from Halfords that were too small but kept them as couldn't be assed to take them back.
Seems you bought size 8 as described but should have really bought size 9, seller doesn't offer refund so just bang them back on eBay for sale and don't worry about it
OP - was it an auction or a "buy-it-now"? The seller can say what he wants on his ad but is still bound by the Sale of Good Act.
Funny enough Crispy, only today I bought a pair of Tahoes! 🙂
I think that might be mis-labelling not sure. Thought mens and womens were the same, just that womens ones are a bit narrower?
No it was not a BIN a straight auction.
Looking at the shoes can anyone confirm whether womens Spesh shoes have a blue spesh 'S' ? I have 2 other pairs of mens tahoe shoes with the red spesh 'S'.
I have been using Tahoe's for the last 5 years I've always bought an 8 & they always fit perfectly, these I couldn't even get on as they are a lot smaller.
Elfin - I may have a pair size 7 or 7.5 going cheap 😉
+1 for what druidh says.
Put in a PayPal dispute if the seller won't "play ball" with returning them. Incorrect description etc - you will win. Although may cost you original postage + return postage.
Looks like seller thinks they are mens - he even states they are the wrong size for him.
Sounds like an honest mistake, but they are clearly listed incorrectly.
[url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Specialised-Taho-Riding-shoes-/120825368707?pt=UK_Sporting_Goods_Athletic_Shoes_ET&hash=item1c21c0d083 ]ebay ad[/url]
This is quite clear.
Seller listed these shoes as Mens' UK Size 8. Actual shoes are UK Womens' Size 8.
They have not been described correctly and you are entitled to a refund.
If the seller refuses, raise a dispute. eBay will find in your favour and force a refund.
Cheers guys - I'll bat off my polite email explaining the goods are not as described & that I want a full refund.
I'll let you know how I get on.
Cheers Crispy but I'm also a 42/UK Mens 8.
Tried them on in a shop but they woon't discount them like other places so I bought them online instead. 🙂
Very comfy, I have to say.
Elfin - I've bought a few pairs off the net with no problems at all except for this one - Grrr.
What anoyed me the most was his/her 'tough t!ts mate' email with the I put 'No returns' on the listing so jog on!!
druidh - Member
OP - was it an auction or a "buy-it-now"? The seller can say what he wants on his ad but is still bound by the Sale of Good Act.
POSTED 28 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
Are private and second-hand goods covered under that act? I don't think they are.
A UK men's size 8 is the same length as a UK women's size 8
MF - from eBay site
Sale of Goods Legislation
The most important piece of legislation relating to the sale of goods through eBay.co.uk is the Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended).
The Act provides that wherever goods are bought they must “conform to contract”. This means that items sold through eBay by business sellers must be:
• of "satisfactory quality";
• "as described"; and
• "fit for purpose".
Therefore goods sold by business sellers must not be inherently faulty at the time of sale, must match any description given to them and, allowing for factors like price, they must be fit for their purpose, defect free, safe and durable.
Where the seller is a private individual, the goods must be “as described”. The goods are not legally required to be of “satisfactory quality” or “fit for purpose”.
So the OP bought goods as described (unless he can prove the seller knew they were women's shoes and deliberately mis-sold them.
That's a shitty trick IMO fredTried them on in a shop but they woon't discount them like other places so I bought them online instead
(ed. Unless you're trolling of course!)
As most others have noticed, the label is different to your other pair of shoes, the label states WMN on it which your original pair doesn't. The shoes are a womens size 8, totally different to a mens size 8.
Still it's better than my daughter she bought a cheap pair of pink converse shoes from ebay, she bought a size five and was so excited at getting them so cheaply. They arrived and turned out to be a childrens size 5 ie baby size, she now has them hanging off her bedroom mirror as an ornament!
Ask for refund on this basis. It looks like the seller has done exactly the same as yourself, "worn once wrong size"!
If you raise a dispute with ebay and payed by paypall. then paypall will prob give you your money back and pull it out from his account.
'No returns' on the listing so jog on!!
But bare Footing
Clear misdescription. As he's already tried to reason with the seller, dispute is the right course of action. He'll win, obviously.
Grantway - if you bought a medium frame bike on ebay and a totally different size bike turned up, would you 'jog on' just because the ad said 'no returns'?
Grantway - if you bought a medium frame bike [i]that had a ruddy great M stamped on it denoting size[/i] on ebay and a [s]totally[/s] slightly (1cm is hardly totally,is it?) different size bike turned up, would you 'jog on' just because the ad said 'no returns'?
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'No returns' on the listing
I can write on my lisitng that I am the King of England, doesn't mean its true or has any validity in law does it.
No returns generally means you cant send it back if you dont like it or bought in error etc.
Sale of Goods doesnt apply to non-business sellers selling second hand goods, but via eBay there is either an express ebay contract for sale (ebay rules) and/or an implied contract for sale.
Simply, you bought Size 8 Men's shoes, that is clear. They arrived
Size 8 Women's.
This would appear (regardless of sellers bullish answer) to (in legal parlance) be an innocent misrepresentation. Clear enough because it took STW to point this out to OP himself. You should maintain dignity and point out the unfortunate error to the seller, if that doesnt work stop communicating with him and raise a dispute in ebay that's what its there for.
How have you been shafted? If I was the seller (and yourself if you were selling something) you'd think how the **** is it misdescribed?!!!
Are women's sizes really different from men's?
Are women's sizes really different from men's?
They might be narrower etc... but a womens EU size 40 is still NOT a womens UK size 8.
I am a size UK6 which is approx an EU39. As far as I am aware an EU size 40 is about a size 7 - mens or womens - its just the fit (width) that is different. I would say that the label is wrong to equate an EU40 with a UK8 and that would make me wary of the shoes...
Looking at the spesh sizing charts, they do look to be the correct size for what they are... listed as mens & actually womens - the sizing conversions are different for each, according to spesh.
Looking at the spesh sizing charts, they do look to be the correct size for what they are... listed as mens & actually womens - the sizing conversions are different for each, according to spesh.
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Not sure which chart you have seen? The chart [url= http://www.evanscycles.com/product_document/file/239/2d7/162/260/specialized-womens-shoe-sizing-chart.pdf ] HERE [/url] shows that even with Spesh womens sizing a EU40 is only a UK6.5 😕
What they are is a US women's size 9. Whilst UK sizes are the same for men and women (ish - some charts show half a size difference, but I think that's more down to conversions than any inherent difference), US sizes aren't. What they've done when printing the label is convert from US men's 9 to UK size - which would equate to an 8. That is clearly wrong. They're not a UK men's 8 as listed (so you have grounds for dispute right there), but they're not actually a UK women's 8 either - just labelled as such, which might be an honest mistake on the seller's part, but still sufficient for mis-description.
When I was rebuying my Spesh Sport BG shoes again (I've owned only them since 2004)...but I've gone through three pairs in that time.
On the second pair I had to go down a size as the sizing went 'weird'. Google it- I also asked spesh UK who confirmed this.
They might be narrower etc... but a womens EU size 40 is still NOT a womens UK size 8.
^ This, EU 40 is equivalent to a UK women's size 6.5/7 - I know because that's my size. Not sure what that label in the women's Taho is going on about. :S
On Specialized sizing, I take my normal shoe size - then again I take my normal shoe size with the AM41s I've just bought (contrary to everybody's advice, grrr!) Had to go a size up with Sidi, Northwave and when I last owned Shimano shoes.
This is partly the fault of Specialized, as they messed up the sizing labels.
I received this email last year, from Alex Boyle in Customer Support:
"Thank you for your email, yes you are correct the Euro sizing is spot on but the UK size seems a mile out, this should be all sorted with our new range."
Not sure what that label in the women's Taho is going on about
As I said, somebody's made a b*lls up when converting - I assume the base size is the US one, and they've mistakenly converted from US men's 9 rather than US women's 9 (which comes down to the incredible stupidity of having different men's and women's sizing).
Not sure which chart you have seen?
From the Spesh UK website... even though they don't show UK sizing, they do show differences between mens and womens & are bang on the money for the shoes in the OP's pictures.
There is always variation in manufacturers in how they convert UK-US sizing.
http://www.specialized.com/gb/gb/bc/SBCTechPopup.jsp?pid=Shoes2008_SizeChart
From my experience and from folk in the running show industry I know, US sizing is the most consistent way to compare one shoe to another across shoes whether they be different brands or not.
Grantway - if you bought a medium frame bike on ebay and a totally different size bike turned up, would you 'jog on' just because the ad said 'no returns'?
But they are the correct size advertised Just I think they are a Female size
Best contact e-bay and complain to them
That's a shitty trick IMO fred
Yeah well, life's not always fair, is it?
They claimed to price match, but then start spouting all sorts of caveats, so I said 'thanks for leting me try them on, I know what size I need now, I'll buy them online and save the money, ta'. 🙂
It's a twenty pound difference. You think I'm that bothered about a pretty successful looking bike shop losing my business? It's my twenty pounds at stake, not theirs.