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God they are tight over there!
106kmh in 100kmh limit and a fine.
No 10% allowance in Holland. 🙁
no 10% anywhere, you have a speed measuring device fitted?
Still, £45 euros is much more palatable than the £100 & 6 points you get here.
[b]Not condoning speeding!! Before anyone suggests that. The OP is a very naughty boy.[/b]
I'm all for appropriate speeding, but if you're going to have a limit, you might as well enforce it rather than an arbitrary allowance over it - otherwise why not just have a higher limit?
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Do the dutch not do kmph?
They do, and they're in "that urope" n'all.
Do pimpernels not do reading the op? 🙂
Hit a tight man where it hurts. Probably designed to teach you a lesson......
The 106 has the margin built in, which means that you were really going faster, but the speed they quote is in your favour.
€45 is a lot. Used to be only €30 if you pay within 14 days (for exceeding the limit by about that amount). In NL, it really is revenue raising. At prices like that, there really is no point contesting.
That'll dig into your drugs and prostitute money.
I got done for 120 in a 130kph limit in france a couple of years back. Go figure? Well apparently when it's raining the limit drops to 110kph. And by the time the hire car company had dealt with assigning the ticket i had no recollection and certainly no means of proving whether it was raining or not.
Just been on holiday in Italy, and they have little orange boxes everywhere. I'm pretty sure I stayed within the limit mainly, and on several occasions had people actually overtaking as we drove past them, seems that the Italians still don't care much for the rules.
Well apparently when it's raining the limit drops to 110kph
It's like literally on every signpost dude
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If you knew the limit was 130 you should also have known it was 110 when its raining
In NL, it really is revenue raising. At prices like that, there really is no point
sme in Germany... you have to be going some to get given points otherwise it's 10-40€ a time.
can't recall the number of tickets i've picked up over the years. mostly on motorways doing a tick over the limit (they state your speed and then deduct an allowance).
i have been given points for riding my bike 20m along the wrong side of a bike apth. one point and 80€ fine for that one!
Person breaks law.
Person gets caught breaking the law.
Person gets punished for breaking the law.
Person has a moan about it.
Utterly predictable, dull and pointless.
At least four pages, then.
It's like literally on every signpost dude
I did and I'm pretty bloody certain it wasn't 'raining' (it was near Nice in June), but a. define raining, and b. I can't prove it was / wasn't.
How long after rain does the speed limit go up again? Is there a mm/hour limit? Or does one random miniscule shower affect that stretch of road for the next how long? etc.
Isn't it something like if you're using your wipers, it's raining?
cheers, but I was talking about an incident from some years ago, and even then by the time the ticket had been issued, through the hire car co, and out to me was several months later. Like I say it was Nice in June, the point being it shouldn't rain!!
a. define raining
STW in a nutshell, right there.
The rest of you can have the week off...
I had a mate today complaining on Facebook about how the police should 'go and catch proper criminals' rather than pull him over for doing 67mph on a stretch of road that is an accident blackspot and has a 50mph limit.
And some people had the temerity to agree with him!
I'm not complaining BTW (beyond a mild bit of 'Cah! The french!) - obviously I broke the laws as they interpreted it and paid the fine.
But a quick google does indicate there seems to be a lack of explanation of 'raining', and it clearly wasn't 'proper' rain because I wouldn't have been doing 120 if it was.
sme in Germany... you have to be going some to get given points otherwise it's 10-40€ a time.can't recall the number of tickets i've picked up over the years. mostly on motorways doing a tick over the limit (they state your speed and then deduct an allowance).
IMO its quite a good system (I don't think you "have to be going some" in my experience it is in the area above the speed limit that you would be generally ignored in the uk), I have had a couple of 15 euro fines, it basically covers the cost of the speed trap and administration to let you know they are checking, while not unduly punishing you for a minor indiscretion. I think that if you get 3 in a 12 month period then you start to get points.
It's like literally on every signpost dude
yep, you would have to be blind not to notice...
And in Holland, on the Snelweg (motorway), if in a 100 zone rather than the general limit (120 or might be 130 now?), it has a 100 km/h speed limit reminder on every bollard at 100 metre intervals. Just in case you forget, or if you think you missed the sign indicating the end of the 100 zone.
not unduly punishing you for a minor indiscretion.
Hang on lads, I haven't brought enough popcorn for everyone.
It's like literally on every signpost dude
yep, you would have to be blind not to notice...
I know. Did you read on or just run to the end to continue the argument?
Do you know what the definition of raining is?
and on several occasions had people actually overtaking as we drove past them
Huh?
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Isn't it something like if you're using your wipers, it's raining?
So if you leave your wipers off you can do 130? Even though your visibility is reduced, the one with his wipers ON is only allowed to do 110 and the one with them OFF can do 130. That's the sort of stupidity you get from smoking weed all day.
The Italian version of a speed camera:
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usually on single laned roads in villages with a 50kph limit. Which I'd dutifully slow down to, to only be then passed by someone who obviously felt my speed camera roulette-fu was lacking (roulette because they're not all loaded)
a. define raining
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=24691
En vigueur depuis le 01 juin 2001LIVRE IV : L'USAGE DES VOIES.
TITRE Ier : DISPOSITIONS GÉNÉRALES.
Chapitre III : Vitesse.
Section 1 : Vitesses maximales autorisées.
I. - Hors agglomération, la vitesse des véhicules est limitée à :
1° 130 km/h sur les autoroutes ;
2° 110 km/h sur les routes à deux chaussées séparées par un terre-plein central ;
3° 90 km/h sur les autres routes.
II. - En cas de pluie ou d'autres précipitations, ces vitesses maximales sont abaissées à :
1° 110 km/h sur les sections d'autoroutes où la limite normale est de 130 km/h ;
2° 100 km/h sur les sections d'autoroutes où cette limite est plus basse ainsi que sur les routes à deux chaussées séparées par un terre-plein central ;
3° 80 km/h sur les autres routes.
Daft isn't it.....
so, 3 drops of light drizzle, limit = 110kph
post deluge, but without anything actually coming out of the sky = crack on
I'm with you on this. Bloody ridiculous rule.
What about say, if there was a cloud not directly overhead, slightly off to the left... but being a windy day means a raindrop has been blown on to your car. A 'passing squall' if you will. What then?!
thegreatape - MemberSo if you leave your wipers off you can do 130? Even though your visibility is reduced, the one with his wipers ON is only allowed to do 110 and the one with them OFF can do 130. That's the sort of stupidity you get from smoking weed all day.
That's the sort of conclusion you'd come to if you smoke weed all day.
The rest of us would clear our screens and slow down a bit.
Or speed up. The wind factor should clear the water from the screen via the top of the car...
Seems a bit of a bargain, I'd imagine that barely covers the admin.
Man speeds, man gets caught speeding, man pays fine. In other news bears poo in the woods.
Do you think you got charged too much?
Maybe they could limit the amount that they charge for speeding.
Perhaps it could be known as the Dutch Cap
The rest of us would clear our screens and slow down a bit.
Then you would spend longer in the danger zone - madness!
My assumption is that 'sur le continent' they don't have these kind of endless circular discussions, just pay their fine, try to drive a bit better in future and get on with their lives. In the UK, we tie ourselves up in knots over a perceived injustice and indulge in a whinge-a-thon. Then commission a government study into trying to define the term 'raining'.
Up until now I have been puzzled about how 'we' could have voted for Brexit.
Now I know.
Actually, I'm probably being a bit harsh there. Obviously the locals don't pay the fines - they just nip down the police station and pay a little bribe whilst only the fine upstanding Brits pay the full amount....
We liberated half of Europe, don't you know - surely we should be able to drive how we like on the continent.
@geetee well when speeding tickets are outsourced to a "for profit" organisation your mate will wish for the police to take it back
The Fench are really tight on speeding, look at all the speed cameras on motorways to enforce the 130. They also have many more mobile units inc on the motorway - I imagine that's how jonv got done as the permanent cameras don't adjust for rain afaik/ime
OP I think the Dutch are one of the countries that will crush your car for really serious speeding !!
So if you leave your wipers off you can do 130? Even though your visibility is reduced, the one with his wipers ON is only allowed to do 110 and the one with them OFF can do 130. That's the sort of stupidity you get from smoking weed all day.
Errr, nope. Not quite, Officer. 🙄
speed up. The wind factor should clear the water from the screen via the top of the car.
The irony is that I don't use my wipers when it's raining if I'm driving at more than 40mph.... Had a nano coating put on the windshield when I had a replacement. The water justs beads up and runs up the screen.
Still find it a novelty to drive along in the rain without my wipers (partly because now I don't get to drive so often).
The autoroutes are deadly in light drizle after a period without rain.
If you don't want to get caught it's simple, don't overtake the gendarmes beacause they go out and cruise at 110 then nick you if you overtake.
A firend got an 80e PV with 51kmh (vitesse retenue) in a 50kmh zone on the ticket. They quote the speed with the error margin deducted so he was really doing 54. He's police national, he paid up.