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Sounds daft I know!
Got some damp bike clobber despite it being hosed and drip-drying on the line after a wet muddy ride last night. On the cold rad in the utility but it’s too early to fire up the boiler! Wife spotted this online…
https://www.lakeland.co.uk/53200/dry-soon-mini-3-tier-heated-airer-and-cover-bundle

Any experience of this or similar or any tips on drying stuff on the cheap?


 
Posted : 19/10/2023 11:30 pm
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Spin it to death, then spin it some more. I hang everything outside under a car port, the wind does the rest.

In the bleak mid winter I use a dehumidifier which is excellent, really versatile too. Gets used in the car and for the damp cupboard under the stairs.


 
Posted : 19/10/2023 11:34 pm
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I don’t have a car port 😉


 
Posted : 19/10/2023 11:37 pm
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Listening to the wind right now, I might not either!


 
Posted : 19/10/2023 11:43 pm
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1/ Head to the local stables and hang the wet bike clobber over some horses.
Go back the next morning and it will be dry.
Or
2/ Hardwire a tumble dryer up to a streetlight.
Or
3/ Turn on your heating.


 
Posted : 19/10/2023 11:45 pm
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My dehumidifier was the same price as that dryer, more or less


 
Posted : 19/10/2023 11:48 pm
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It's that in between time when not warm enough to dry in the house but not cold enough for heating. Too bloody wet or windy outside to dry it.

I have horses and generally hanging stuff on them results in it being covered in hair/poo/snot so I've resorted to using the tumble dryer when I'm on my cheap overnight tariff at 7p per kWh. Thankfully I'm an owl rather than a lark so dishwasher and tumble dryer both went on at 11.30.

Dryer looks good but quite pricey.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 12:01 am
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Dehumidifier, simple clothes horse, a few hangers, and a Renogy shoe drier.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 12:02 am
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I’ve got a similar thing to that from Aldi, except it’s small and horizontal with ends that fold in. Someone on here recommended it, but it had sold out. Took me three attempts to get hold of one. Prior to that my partner had an unheated one that sat up on the landing during winter, or if it was wet, but the heated one does speed things up a bit, maybe by a day or so. Cost about £39.95 You might have to keep checking, they sell out very quickly; I got down to the store for opening time, and there were three others waiting for exactly the same thing. Listed as Aldi Heated Clothes Airer/Drier I think it’s going to get used quite a lot this winter, even with just my washing.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 12:10 am
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Airing cupboard?

You might not have the CH on but if you've got hot water and a tank in there then there's a heat source...


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 7:13 am
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same as @bikesandboots, my heating's not on yet. and mine's down in the cellar, mostly dries overnight. For really wet stuff, spin the shit out of it, and just hang it up


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 7:16 am
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Our stuff usually gets hung over the banister at the top of the staircase, where it levels out. Only enough room for 4 large towels though


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 7:25 am
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We've got two, one in more or less constant use. They're good, load it up, cover, then unload dry washing the following morning. 


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 7:28 am
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we have one of those heated airers.  works really well.  can fit quite a lot on it.  don't have a cover for it though.  would have thought that would trap moisture in it?  we use ours all the time, i never tumble dry lycra surely that kills it fast.

I plan to have a covered over area in the garden at some point where I can hang things like wetsuits to dry.  doesn't need to be fancy.  probably make it out of an ikea clothes rail with a some left over wood and shingles.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 7:28 am
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We've had one of those for about eight years now and I really rate them. We cover ours with an old double duvet cover, definitely speeds up the drying process and doesn't trap moisture in.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 7:32 am
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Be careful drying your clothes inside routinely if your house made from breeze blocks, as it can make them crumble over time. I'm sure you can Google info on this. Maybe the odd time, but not for main laundry duties. You may come to regret it.

When I find cycling gear that fits, I buy two of everything so I can wait out drying time in winters. It stops me being tempted to dry stuff inside and deal with long term issues with decorating, or worse.  Dehumidifiers? how much do they cost to run?


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 7:35 am
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Ebac 15 dehumidifier currently £195 direct from ebac + £10 p&p.

Just replaced our old one after 10 years of almost daily use.

Ideally used in a closed room (we use the "drying" room) - does your utility have a door?


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 7:35 am
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Dehumidifiers cost to run.

Quick look at typical Meaco - 165watts.

Using the hydrometer setting at 50%, our dries washing well, and isn’t running the fan/compressor continuously.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 7:40 am
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We've got a drysoon heated covered airer and it really does a good job. I was sceptical when my wife bought it a few years back, but I was wrong, it's definitely earned it's keep.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 7:43 am
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I use one of those lakeland things, bought it when the kids started to generate a bit more laundry (have no tumble drier).
Works well. Takes a medium load of laundry, tend to switch it on for 4 or 5 hours then switch off and everything is dry after another 6-8 hours except for jeans and heavy stuff.

Pair it with a dehumidifier (that i already had) and it'll dry everything in 12.

It sits in the service room in the basement, so it never gets below about 18 degrees in there.

(a normal clothes airer and no dehumidifier takes 24+ hours to dry a load)


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 7:44 am
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one downside of the heated airer is they are massive even when folded up so not easy to hide away somewhere.  ours is taller than the larder cupboard I had hoped it would go in.  so it's just proped against the wall unless we have people over and I hide it upstairs....

might look into a cover for it


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 7:52 am
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@rascal we bought our daughter a drier from Lakeland, not the one you’ve linked to. It’s a tall structure with a heater/fan at the bottom with a zipped cover that has vent holes through the top. Clothes are hung mostly on hangers but it does take long items like frocks. The timer version is useful as it avoids wasted energy, the remote control is unnecessary! It can dismantle for storage. My daughter is pleased with it and has been in use for well over a year. Hope this helps.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 8:08 am
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Tumble dry what goes in the tumble dryer.

Heating on for an hour in the morning to help stuff on airers and take the chill off towels/the bathroom.

We are lucky we don't have to watch every penny but even with three of us at home, there's usually sports kit, work kit, Guiding uniforms most days, it needs drying.

Though I don’t know what the ladies in my life do that requires a hoodie to be washed after just one day sat around the house/college.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 8:10 am
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5 adults in the house, washer on everyday, try and dry as much on line as possible & then finish off in tumble dryer or use dehumidifier - get condensation issues in the loft, so try to keep moisture down but with all of us showering and unbacked plasterboard ceilings it's a losing battle 😕


 
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Careful with dehumidifier if you go that route. There's 2 types : I think it's the condenser type that works well at very low temps. I went for this in my office-shed but it does rather limit it's use at other times.

That said, small room, clothes horse, sheet over the top and dehumidifier blowing in works wonders for me


 
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.. Or just by 3 lots of mtbing gear! 🙂


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 8:36 am
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any tips on drying stuff

Watched a youtu.be video recently of 2 folks cycling in Scotland. Method for drying gear was wrapping in a hand towel and twisting to get as much moisture out as possible, then hanging on a hanger. Seemed to work for them.

Edit: Mrs Fazzini was given one of those electric clothes horses by her friend. It's a strictly emergency use only as the heater/fan eats electrical money


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 8:44 am
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Remember that hanging clothes up on a radiator or a heated airer is not 'drying' its just 'warming up. and your moving all that moisture into the rest of your house. Steamy windows here you come.

Careful with dehumidifier if you go that route. There’s 2 types : I think it’s the condenser type that works well at very low temps

Woah woah, dont say that!

Refrigerant/Condenser type Dehumidifiers NEED warmth to work efficiently. They are the most common type, and the reason people historically used to say they didnt work well and cost a fortune.

You want a Dessicant type dehumidifier. What you want - is one of these:

https://www.meaco.com/products/meaco-dd8l-junior-dehumidifier

I've posted on here before but its one of the most useful things I own. Honestly. So many uses.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 8:45 am
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Since getting our condensing dehumidifier, we've hardly used the tumble dryer.

It also makes the house feel warmer for any given temperature when the air is a little dryer in the house.

Maybe I'm over simplifying things but drying is the process of things containing less water so surely the best way to dry is a device that removes water. Lots of devices just vaporise the moisture and let it spread around the house.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 8:45 am
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A simple fan increasing the flow of air to wet garments helps.    Desk type fan or something.
More gentle on them too, drying a bit more naturally this way.    Desk fans often turn up in charity shops in winter !  Bag a secondhand one!

Hang in front of air flow over night.

Great for wet shoes.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 8:47 am
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What's energy usage difference between a dehumidifier and a tumble dryer?


 
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Move north, Scotland is a great place.

It's cold enough to put your heating on.

Job done.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 8:51 am
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Since getting our condensing dehumidifier, we’ve hardly used the tumble dryer.

It also makes the house feel warmer for any given temperature when the air is a little dryer in the house.

Maybe I’m over simplifying things but drying is the process of things containing less water so surely the best way to dry is a device that removes water. Lots of devices just vaporise the moisture and let it spread around the house.

100% this. Its so easy to skirt around trying various options of heat, fans, etc, but the aim is 'dry', and thats different. Seriously, the little Meaco I linked above is superb. It makes the house so, so much more pleasant.

Its 200w on low, which is the same as the heated airer linked by the OP. Therefore, for the same cost, you can either remove and capture the moisture, or just blow it round the rest of your house...?! Seems obvious to me.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 8:54 am
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We’ve had one of those driers for years. It’s great. Tend to put it on in the afternoon when the solar panels are running at max so draws v little. We don’t have a tumble drier (well a tiny ancient one that only has the odd towel through it). 


 
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Yeah meaco junior. Super bit of kit, small and unobtrusive


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 9:06 am
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Dehumidifier, simple clothes horse, a few hangers, and a Renogy shoe drier.

+1

Currently got the dehumidifier running on the landing to dry a blanket, and warm the upstairs a bit at the same time.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 9:09 am
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We bought a dehumidifier a couple of years ago. I really like it for drying clothes.
We've also got a tumble dryer in the garage, but I find by the time you have separated out the stuff that shouldn't go in it, you end up with half the washing still to dry.
We've got 2 large airers in a spare room with the dehumidifier. The only slightly annoying thing is that there's no way to set a delay timer on it. It would be much cheaper to run it overnight.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 9:28 am
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Yesterday it was raining and we did a load of washing. I just hung it in the spare bedroom, opened the window and left a fan on for most of the day. Was bone dry by the evening. Fan is only about 20 Watts.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 9:29 am
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It'll take forever to dry clothes that haven't been spun dried. Hose off the mulch and leaves, then wash and spin as normal, THEN hang out to dry.


 
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Dehumidifier is about 200-300w, dryer can be 2-3KW, but you can dry a lot more washing with a dehumidifier. We rarely use the dryer now - it's noticeable when the household get lazy and stuff everything in the dryer in terms of 'bills'.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 9:57 am
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I googled dessicant dehumidifiers, and the article says they need an external vent; however the one @snotrag mentions seems not to need one...?


 
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My commuting cycling gear goes in the wash each night, then is hung over an airer in the kitchen, with the dehumidifier on, everything dry by the morning. It's also great for drying shoes quickly.


 
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I googled dessicant dehumidifiers, and the article says they need an external vent; however the one @snotrag mentions seems not to need one…?

Mine doesn't.


 
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Move north, Scotland is a great place.

It’s cold enough to put your heating on.

Job done.

Tried that, but Scotland is generally so damp that everything just goes mouldy.

Then moved to the Alps. Problem solved - humidity gets down to 20% sometimes in the winter.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 10:07 am
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If I can't peg out washing (and it has been mild of late). Then it goes on a maiden in the box room which is south facing, windows on breath in the day and humidifier on at night.


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 10:09 am
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Speaking from the perspective of maintaining student houses please use a dehumidifier. Students dry everything with heat and airers which leads to condensation which leads to black mould.

Or you could use a dehumidifier which extracts the water into a tank or down a drain.

(Simplified and generalised to provoke someone into explaining at great length why I'm wrong).


 
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@snotrag.  Sorry, I had a 50:50 chance of recalling the correct one that works well in low temperature....and got it wrong!


 
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Presumably all the people recommending Meaco dehumidifiers are not the same people in a recent thread detailing all the faults they'd had with them!


 
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A simple fan increasing the flow of air to wet garments helps. Desk type fan or something.
More gentle on them too, drying a bit more naturally this way.

That's what I do, easily dries a whole load of kit in a night just on an airer and with a 12" desk fan running on it's lowest setting. Costs about 20p to run all night too according to the Smart Meter. The fan cost me nothing as it's main use is for Zwifting, shifts a decent amount of air considering it's size. I air out the flat every morning for 20-30 mis so that takes care of the residual humidity.


 
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Presumably all the people recommending Meaco dehumidifiers are not the same people in a recent thread detailing all the faults they’d had with them!

twas my thread.  in the end i admitted defeat and have binned it now, altho it gave us around 12 years of decent use.  meaco offered me 20% off the latest model so just got that yesterday and am currently drying the latest batch of washing with it.  im guessing its cheaper to run than one of those jobbies in the OP altho i dont know for sure.

A simple fan increasing the flow of air to wet garments helps. Desk type fan or something.<br />More gentle on them too, drying a bit more naturally this way.

interesting, not heard of that before, i'll have to try it sometime.  and then use the dehumidifier to get rid of the moisture afterwards 😎


 
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I have dehumidifier and while it works it's slow and consumes 3250watts for many (10+) hours to dry a load . I think a simple fan would actually be more useful

The condenser drier does the same amount in an hour for 1.8kwh reliably.

Residual heat into the room then drys the items that can't go in the drier (mainly sports gear)


 
Posted : 20/10/2023 12:36 pm
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My white knight vented tumble dryer has 2 heat settings, high 2kw/h and low 1kw/h. I start the tumbling process on high for around 10 minutes then switch it to the lower heat setting for the rest of the drying. I separated the heavy materials from the synthetic materials and only throw the synthetic stuff in when on the low heat part. 

Does a good job and pretty quick usually less than 30 minutes. Pity the excess heat is in a well vented cellar. Moisture is vented outside. Clothes then get hung on a maiden if there is any dampness remaining. 

I do have a heated air-dryer but that is 900w/hr and is a chore to load up. Excess heat would stay indoors though. 


 
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I know the answer to this one!
Insulated airing cupboard+ dehumidifier+ fan to move air around+ shoe dryer. A bit of work but brilliantly effective.
I always find the tumble dryer takes an age to dry - this works amazingly

Airing cupboard


 
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@stonster You may have looked into it, but advice I've seen is not to have dehumidifier running in an airing cupboard due to potential overheating?

On a related note, but slight thread hijack, house humidity - what are people's current experiences?

Right now, ours appears to be hovering between 65 and 75% which suggests upper end. Bathroom (where we dry clothes) with dehumidifier is easily controlled, and we open windows regularly for a recirculation of the air inside. But rooms still naturally return to 65-75%. Central heating been on low for a couple of weeks.

Assume it's just the weather and it'll drop in months ahead. Don't really want to be running another dehumidifier all the time on an endless battle.


 
Posted : 27/10/2023 2:30 pm
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When we were in temporary accommodation we picked up one of those Lakeland Drysoon heated cabinets as the washer dryer in the rental was total crap. I was expecting a 60w light bulb hidden in a box at the bottom of a disposable Argos wardrobe. I was 90% right, except the 60w light bulb is actually a 1.2kW fan heater! I can run at least three of our heat pump dryer cycles for the cost of one session in the sh!t cabinet. Utter pish. 


 
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Right now, ours appears to be hovering between 65 and 75% which suggests upper end

a few weeks ago when it was warmer we were at 70% humidity, and the wooden front door had expanded and was starting to stick, but now its gone cooler we're at 58% . we dont use a dehumidifier


 
Posted : 27/10/2023 2:40 pm
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I've got a Drybuddi. I've been mocked for this, but have nowhere for a tumble dryer, no car port and certainly not a cellar.
It works ok. Clothes don't smell of damp when they come out of it, like they would if the whole drying process was done in the airing cupboard.


 
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On a related note, but slight thread hijack, house humidity – what are people’s current experiences?

ours at present is 75 with no heating/dehumidifier on.  its been up to 90 on occasion first thing in the morning.  dont like those figures but dont particularly want to run the dehumidifier constantly either, i prefer it to be for just drying clothes altho that may have to change.


 
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I have dehumidifier and while it works it’s slow and consumes 3250watts for many (10+) hours to dry a load . I think a simple fan would actually be more useful

The condenser drier does the same amount in an hour for 1.8kwh reliably.

Residual heat into the room then drys the items that can’t go in the drier (mainly sports gear)

3.3KW for 10 hours, WTF?!
Mine uses about 300w (measured with a smart plug) and it takes approx 4 hours for a completely full airers worth of clothing or even towels to dry.
It's an Inventor Atmosphere XL.

 
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We have a dehumidifier, it needs a base level of heat to operate, around 18c. We also have one of those electric drying racks, but without the cover. It spot drys the clothes so you have to move it around a but. I'm pretty unimpressed TBH. It may be better with a cover, but assume it's breathable to let the moisture out.


 
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3.3KW for 10 hours, WTF?!<br /> <br />Mine uses about 300w
yep! Is it an industrial one for drying floods?! I have a one that's 300W and another that's 185W I think! Both dry clothes fine.


 
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On a related note, but slight thread hijack, house humidity – what are people’s current experiences?

Rooms in the house at this moment varying between 63 and 72%*. I find this time of year is always the worst - damp, cool weather, but not cold enough to really get the heating cranking. Also, one of the disadvantages of per-room heating control is that rooms I don't heat all the time, as they are used sporadically, tend to get much colder and damper than when I was on a 'dumb' heating system.

*The outlier to that range is the 'damp' cellar where I have a humidifier running set to keep the humidity at nominally 55%, yesterday it varied between 53-60%.


 
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Our dehumidifier is about 300 Watts, takes a few hours to dry a machine load hung in a spare bedroom, so not exactly the smallest space. All the energy goes as heat into the house, so you don't actually loose anything, we get an extra 300W of CH from it...


 
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3250watts is the total for 10 hours that it seems to take to dry a load

i wont be spending another 200 quid for a new dehumifier to save 400watts a load + all the residual heat from the drier goes into the house also.


 
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It spot drys the clothes so you have to move it around a but. I’m pretty unimpressed TBH. It may be better with a cover, but assume it’s breathable to let the moisture out.<br /><br />

I used mine earlier this week, I had a load consisting of lots of socks, pants, teeshirts, vests, shorts, etc. I put them out on the washing lines, which did most of the real drying, but I couldn’t leave it out past sunset because weather, so it went on the airer with the cover on.

Turned it off when I went to bed, turned it on in the morning and left it all day, then left it turned off the next day, because I couldn’t be arsed to put everything away, but it had all dried by the second day. The cover is just thin nylon/polyester, but there are several vents along the top that you can feel warm air venting from. I have no other option but to use it, I can’t use the airing cupboard because it’s now got my gas boiler inside, whereas it used to have the hot water tank, and I was instructed not to stuff washing in there. 🤷🏼

I do open the top vent of the landing window to allow air to circulate, because that’s where the rack is. Works for me, which is good ‘cos I’ve got no other practical options.


 
Posted : 27/10/2023 5:36 pm
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http://www.pekodryingcabinets.co.uk/products/peko-ed-1900r-drying-cabinet-new-model/<br /><br />

These drying cabinets are amazing for drying clothes and riding kit without needing the heating on. They’re not cheap by a long stretch but I picked a used one up a while back on eBay for about £100. They’ll dry a full wash of bike and running kit in about an hour and according to a smart plug thing it costs about 50p to turn for an hour. <br />Works well with normal clothes as well and unlike a tumble dryer, they don’t shrink things. <br /><br />


 
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have dehumidifier and while it works it’s slow and consumes 3250watts for many (10+) hours to dry a load . I think a simple fan would actually be more useful

All of these dehumidifier/tent/whatever solutions see to be a more expensive, less convenient and to take up more space  than a heat pump tumble dryer (but with a lower upfront cost)


 
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There was an article online recently comparing drying with a heated airer and a dehumidifier. The dehumidifier won on time plus less hassle as you needed to keep rearranging the stuff on the airer to get even drying.

The best was he dehumidifier in conjunction with a normal fan which served to move the air about to replicate a breezy day outside - cut the drying time nearly in half.


 
Posted : 28/10/2023 10:28 am
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All of these dehumidifier/tent/whatever solutions see to be a more expensive, less convenient and to take up more space than a heat pump tumble dryer (but with a lower upfront cost)

Assuming you have space for one. We don't. Drying in the winter means using the small room my wife uses as an office, when she's not using it as an office a few days a week. Atleast the drysoon can foldaway out the way behind a set of shelves when not in use.


 
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IME, it depends on what's actually keeping your stuff damp. Is it lack of heat, or is it too much humidity? The room I dry mine in is very dry, but it's also very cold, and so stuff just takes a long time to dry regardless. Dehumidifier makes no noticable difference (and gathers little water, for the same reason obviously). Whereas a heated dryer probably would work really well in there as it'd just help the water evap off. But ymmv, probably a lot of people have warmer but more humid rooms?


 
Posted : 29/10/2023 1:09 am
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If you wrap your wet washing in a hand towel, how do you dry the hand towel? We've a 20l Meaco turning up today, if it lasts 12yrs it's paid for itself.


 
Posted : 29/10/2023 8:35 am
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Dehumidifier and large desk fan.

Fan blows from one end of clothes horse with dehumidifier at the other end.


 
Posted : 29/10/2023 7:52 pm
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I looked into getting one of those electric airers last winter but too many negative reviews put me off. So, we started putting clothes on 2 normal airers and a shirt hanger airer in front of a radiator, then draping a duvet cover over them and the top of the rad. The heating then goes on for an hour or so here and there and is enough (because it's contained to that space) to dry everything either overnight or within 24 hours.

Simples.


 
Posted : 30/10/2023 10:40 am
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2 hrs in the Dribuddy yesterday and all my riding gear was dry and smelling sweet. 🙂


 
Posted : 30/10/2023 11:52 am
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Probably said already but putting t-shirts, shirts and sweatshirts on hangers and hanging them from a shower pole or pull up bar seems to do the job for me overnight.

Same with trousers, hung from trouser hangers (tk maxx type) with the pockets pulled out. Well spun beforehand obvs.


 
Posted : 30/10/2023 1:20 pm
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We've had one of those heated drying racks for donkeys years and it's fantastic. Ours is kept on top of a washing maching in a small utility room. Clothes come straight out the washer and onto the rack.  We have an extractor fan to get rid of the damp air but have never needed to turn it on as the room has no condensation to speak of. I highly recommend them.


 
Posted : 30/10/2023 5:13 pm

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