[Closed] Driving While Banned. Not me.

fake DVLA letter telling him that they believe he is driving and if found to be so would face a lengthy prison sentance and/ or huge fine?

Police, it's probably a good thing if he never finds out it's you.
I'm guessing you don't have a friendly local copper?
Why do you think he was banned? Probably easy to check up on - court records etc?

I'd be inclined to suggest the rozzers also...

Why do you think he was banned? Is he a danger to others?

Personally I'd have it out with him then shop him

http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org

You could have a word, and say if you've noticed someone else will have done. Even if he denies it does it matter? May get him thinking about it.

Or Crimestoppers.

Could be for his own good in the long run.

Shop him. I know it's your brother and that but honestly, better he gets caught not doing it if you know what I mean..

He's your brother why not just talk to him about it...

Get drunk with him and have a driving license comparing contest.

[url= http://www.drivingban.co.uk/drivingban/banneddriving.htm#I_am_already_banned_but_cannot_recall_the_period_of_disqualification._How_can_I_find_out_how_much_longer_I_need_to_serve ]Find out about my ban....[/url]
Although technically devious I'm sure you know enough about your brother to get the info....

If he's a danger to others, then think about the potential consequences of not doing something....

local traffic depts get lists of recently banned drivers and often pay them a visit on the off chance, a high number of people continue to drive and get caught out, so if you don't stop him the rozzers may well do.

Ffs, he's your brother. Talk to him. To all above suggesting shop him, are you serious? If you'll do that to your own brother you're a bunch of dicks.
I think that's the final nail in the coffin. It's time to flounce. Wonder what real people look like...?

Driving whilst banned is an imprisonable offence 😯

Tell him, if that doesn't focus his mind, nowt will.

He's your brother why not just talk to him about it...

This.

It sounds really simple.

But that's because it is.

I think he has been banned because he already has 3 points for speeding and drives like a ****. He has had his licence for less than 2 years so if he gets 6 points he gets a ban.

He put a picture on twitter of his fuel gauge being empty and his mate commented that he thought my brother had been banned. He didn't specifically say banned from driving but that was the gist of the comment. My brother replied yea man txt me I'll tell you about it.

He is 20 and is developing a really bad attitude towards life in general. I can imagine him thinking that a ban wasn't he's fault so he should keep driving. He would deny everything if confronted about it.

Luckily he can get the train to work so wouldn't lose his job with his licence. But I guess he would if he had to serve a prison term.

Ffs, he's your brother. Talk to him. To all above suggesting shop him, are you serious? If you'll do that to your own brother you're a bunch of dicks.

If I approach him he will deny it, he would also deny it to our parents. For the record he is 20, lives at home and has recently got a girlfriend who is bad for him and encourages him to be a knob. I don't want to shop him to the police or dvla but I will if I have to.

Sounds like a shock may be required, the friendly local copper route is the best one, not shopping him but
a)confirm he is banned
b)stop him doing anything stupid

Can't believe people on here suggesting you shop your brother in without knowing the details. Talk to him, If its a totting up thing for minor offences, explain to him the likely consequences but let him get on with it. If it was a D/d and he's still drinking and driving, lots more serious and would need a major family intervention.

Ok. Speak to the friendly local copper- if you have one...
If you do that, he has a word and your brother isn't receptive- well you've shopped him already anyway..

Driving whilst banned is an imprisonable offence 😯

The people I met in prison who had been caught driving on a ban were really very surprised and very upset at where they'd found themselves. Unlike the armed robbers and the drug dealers its wasn't a risk they realised they were taking

From what your saying he's likely not just been banned but had his license revoked which means he'll have to take all the tests again. It this is the case he's could well be burying his head in the sand about it.

If he were my bro, I'd just help him through it, maybe lend him the cash for the retest. I wouldn't lecture him though.

Depends what your relationship is like really. If that's a no go, have a word with his mates and girl friend.

Someone being a family member doesn't make them above the law

If I so him and he isn't banned nothing will happen, if he gets caught it might mean a few weeks inside and an even worse attitude than he already has.

I think I might have to aggressively confront him. That won't end up with us being best friends but it just might save his life from going down the shitter. He used to be a nice lad until a year or so ago. Bloody family.

PatriotPro its not the brother of mine that you have met fwiw.

Exactly Mac', i don't think it's well known really is it...

Better the bomb shell from your bro than a traffic cop.

I realised that when you said he was 20 buddy 😉

Hope it gets sorted for all concerned.

Yea hadn't thought of that. He does own that red 456 so maybe he does deserve locking up.

It invalidates his insurance, so a minor shunt can leave him srewed money wise.
Driving while banned is a dumb thing to do.

Grab him, shake and shout at him.

people are seriously saying you should annoymously call the police on your own brother?! good god some of the people on here are unbelievable.

how about just telling him to stop being an asshat?

Personally i'd ask him first before taken out the usual stw righteous justice middle class angst on him, this forum is full of sanctimonious cocks these days.

people are seriously saying you should annoymously call the police on your own brother?! good god some of the people on here are unbelievable.

how about just telling him to stop being an asshat?

How about reading the OP? Especially the bit where he states that he doubts a talking to from the OP or parents would have much effect.

Personally i'd ask him first before taken out the usual stw righteous justice middle class angst on him, this forum is full of sanctimonious cocks these days.

And also morons who can't read, it seems. See above re: OP.

Yep...Don't fret Zokes.......I read it but i doubt i'm a moron, personally speaking i have been brought up to have a very healthy distrust of the police and court service in this country, unless you have money or power/influence on your behalf you will get screwed over every time without fail as they have one purpose in society and that is to convict without compassion or true justice. I dunno bout you but i tend to keep family problems within the "family" so to speak, i guess i've been brought up differently to most of the folk on here though so you can freely make your own mind up over my personality (re-moron) without having to worry about myself giving a passing thought to how you or others view my behaviour over the years.

Breaking the law and deciding what's wrong or right for myself over the past 40 years without discourse to web forums

Somafunk:

1) Ironic for you to be complaining about me suggesting you're moron when you're happy to throw about insults such as "sanctimonious cocks". Perhaps in your case the cap fits?

2) How's your tin foil hat? I'm sure the polis are really out to get everyone who doesn't pay them off.

3) It stops being a family problem as soon as his brother drives on a [u]public[/u] road without a licence. That would be a criminal offence - ergo a matter for the police. What justice would you prefer if the OP's brother knocked you off your bike whilst driving unlicensed? I'm sure you wouldn't mind because he's someone's brother and it should be kept in the family, right?

Breaking the law and deciding what's wrong or right for myself over the past 40 years without discourse to web forums

Let's just float the notion for a second that what you view as 'right' might not agree with everyone else's view. Ditto what's 'wrong'. I suppose it's a good job we have laws in that case.

How about reading the OP? Especially the bit where he states that he doubts a talking to from the OP or parents would have much effect.

Or perhaps the bit which says : [i]"I think I might have to aggressively confront him."[/i] ?

I would rather aggressively confront my brother than phone up the old bill and get him nicked.

And yes, because he's my brother.

Somafunk, lets imagine it's your brother, you have a 'quiet word' and it still ends up like this, http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/377994/Sad-farewell-to-tandem-couple-killed-in-hit-and-run-crash
because, as the OP says, he's developing a real attitude... 🙄

In simple terms if he is banned then there is every chance he will get caught and recieve a decent punishment. Especially if he lives in Somafunk's world

i have been brought up to have a very healthy distrust of the police and court service in this country, unless you have money or power/influence on your behalf you will get screwed over every time without fail as they have one purpose in society and that is to convict without compassion or true justice

There will be some reasonable coppers happy to pay him a visit (not nick him) and explain what he faces if he is caught driving banned.

i honestly cant believe anyone would be so low to shop their own brother in to the police. i honestly cant believe people could be that low. i would walk out in front of a bus for either of my brothers without a second thought. you should all be ashamed of your selves

i honestly cant believe anyone would be so low to shop their own brother in to the police. i honestly cant believe people could be that low. i would walk out in front of a bus for either of my brothers without a second thought. you should all be ashamed of your selves

But would you let him drive without a license?
What if he wouldn't listen to you?

(1) The process of loosing your license at 6pts for new drivers is different from the usual totting up ban. You aren't technically disqualified. You "simply" reapply for your provisional licence and take your test again.
(2) Because you aren't disqualified I *think* you would be prosecuted for driving other than in accordance with a license rather than driving whilst disqualified and so a prison sentence is not a possible outcome.
(3) If you don't know he's got to six points then he may only have 3 but be sitting on a NIP etc, so knows it is coming. Or he may be stalling sending back his licence. Or perhaps he's planning to go to court and fight it to try and keep his license. He may wrongly believe that if he spins it out beyond 2 yrs it won't apply. It does the points are applied at the date of the offence not the date of conviction.
(4) Perhaps he has his provisional back and was driving under L-plates.
(5) Its possible he doesn't actually understand (or will claim that). If you 'tot up' to 12 points, you have to go to court to get the points added and are normally DQd in the court face-to-face. Under the new driver rules there is no such requirements and so he may have sent back his license to get the points added and expects a letter telling him he can no longer drive and thinks until it comes he is OK (he's not - and there is no requirement for anyone to write to him, he is supposed to know the consequence of getting to 6pts).
(6) His 6 points will remain on his new license when he gets it. Therefore if he picks up another 6 he will be looking at a 6 month totting up ban, expensive insurance etc etc. Driving without a license will get him 3-6 pts. No insurance 6-8pts - so if he is caught he is probably looking at a proper ban.

You need to talk to him (or get your parents to). Probably best not to rush in assuming he's been banned though if he might not have been...
If he won't listen then the police is the only way (DVLA won't help). A friendly chat with a local officer might (?) get a stiff warning rather than waiting for him to commit an offence and catch him in action.

i would continue trying different tacks until he did

jt+1

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Don't shop your own brother.
Either sort the problem yourself, or don't.

If the age difference ain't too big, and he looks near enough, then how about making sure he's memorised your address and lending him your license?
Should keep him out of nick, which sounds like the first problem solved. And with you having helped sort that, he's more likely to respect what you say and sort his life out .

Perverting the course of justice is almost guaranteed for both of you to go to jail. You might not get caught... but people do get caught...

Even then why would you let someone who you think is a really bad driver use your license and run up points in your name...

unless you have money or power/influence on your behalf you will get screwed over every time without fail as they have one purpose in society and that is to convict without compassion or true justice

just complete and utter bollox

jonah tonto - Member
i would continue trying different tacks until he did

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loum - Member
jt+1

edit:
Don't shop your own brother.
Either sort the problem yourself, or don't.

Make sure that when you offer a character witness statement you say you tried very hard to stop him....

If you ask him and he doesn't care then

A friendly chat with a local officer might (?) get a stiff warning rather than waiting for him to commit an offence and catch him in action.

i honestly cant believe anyone would be so low to shop their own brother in to the police. i honestly cant believe people could be that low. i would walk out in front of a bus for either of my brothers without a second thought. you should all be ashamed of your selves

Don't shop your own brother.
Either sort the problem yourself, or don't.

i would continue trying different tacks until he did

And in the mean time, what if he's involved in an accident? For those of you who clearly can't see past the end of your own nose, forget for a second anyone else's lives which may be ruined by the accident your brother has caused, and just focus on his:

1) The accident wouldn't have happened if he had been obeying the ban
2) That being the case, he wouldn't have been hurt
3) He won't be insured
4) Look at a judge throwing the book at him for the accident - which would be a lot worse than getting the police to remind him of the law before he has an accident

just complete and utter bollox

Not in my opinion but as this is an internet forum and as i have no interest in what others think i'll take myself off to bed

ok zokes, how about if tack number one (after making sure he is actually banned since this is all wild conjecturer based on half a conversation on ****ter) is taking his keys off him? no hypothetical person has been maimed and your brother doesn't have a criminal record or as some are suggesting a history of prison with him for the rest of his life?
the boy is 20, he needs guidance not to be stuffed every time he tries for a job.
this world is hard enough without your own brother turning on you

Not in my opinion but as this is an internet forum and as i have no interest in what others think i'll take myself off to bed

If you have no interest in what others think, why do you use a discussion forum ❓

i would continue trying different tacks until he did

What tacks for car tyres?

same reason as most of us probably. a mix of boredom and insomnia 😉

aracer - chapeau sir 😆

same reason as most of us probably. a mix of boredom and insomnia

Oh, I come here for intelligent discussion and entertainment, quite often with success. I suggest you try harder.

you forgot humour

I dunno bout you but i tend to keep family problems within the "family" so to speak

You lot are such a complete bunch of tossers. The more i read here, the more I realize what a bunch of curtain twitching, hand wringing saddos you all are.

Shop your own brother to the cops for driving while on a ban? I wouldn't even do it to a friend.

Have a quiet word if it concerns you...because it seems to. But other than that, it's his life. Let him get on with it.

...Also love the way you ask here if you should shop your own brother to the police...before you even know if hes been banned. Hang your head in shame.

Maybe I'd understand if you knew he was banned for drink-driving or causing death by dangerous...but he's 20 and has totted up 6 points?

Christ. Glad you aren't in my family.

But other than that, it's his life. Let him get on with it and potentially ruin someone else's.

FTFY

but he's 20 and has totted up 6 points so has already been deemed a danger to others on the road

FITYA

Y'see - family issues are fine to be dealt with by the family whilst they stay within the family. Unfortunately for your little utopia, the public roads, and ton of metal the OP's brother may be illegally driving around aren't just a family matter, they affect the general public.

He could have been banned for receiving favours from his girlfriend whilst driving for all I care, but the fact he's been banned means that there is enough evidence to brand him an undue danger to the public when behind the wheel. Driving is not a right, it's carried under license - something that the OP's brother may no longer have, and probably for good reason.

Talk to him. Explain sods law and a criminal record that lasts 5yrs. Hes not a child. If he ignores you ignore him.

Ronnie & Reggie would feel at home on this thread

There may be almost no Police cars on patrol nowadays but it's only a matter of time before he gets spotted by a car equipped with ANPR and stopped, assuming the car is registered to him.

If he isn't actually banned, the police will find this out before (or when) they go knocking on his door, and then nothing will come of it.

For those that 'wouldn't shop their own brother', where do you draw the line?

Stealing a purse?
Fraudulent use of a credit card?
GBH?
Drug dealing?
Or worse, would you protect him against a murder charge?!

For a 'one off' you may ignore the lesser offences, but continued stealing of peoples wallets? How about continued driving without a license?!

Thanks for all the replays guys, even the ones calling me a bad person.

The first thing I need to do is somehow find out for sure if he is banned. If he is a bollocking is in order and the removal of his keys. If I can't find out about the ban I have a couple of 'friends' on facebook that were and I think still are coppers I might be able to ask them to look into it and pay him a visit to scare him.

To all those saying "how could you shop your own brother?"...

Suppose said brother knocks you off you or your child off a bike and kills you/them? In the subsequent investigation, it turns out that the whole family knew that brother was banned from driving but continued to let him?
How do you think your family would feel?

If he [b]has[/b] actually been banned (and the OP should make absolutely certain he has befroe doing anything), it's because he was driving like a ****. There are far too may ****s on the road, getting one off it is good for everyone, I'd have thought that a cycling forum might just recognise this fact? From the OP, he's aleady said talking to his brother won't work - next step is to arrange a warning visit from the police...

To all those saying "how could you shop your own brother?"...

Suppose said brother knocks you off you or your child off a bike and kills you/them? In the subsequent investigation, it turns out that the whole family knew that brother was banned from driving but continued to let him?
How do you think your family would feel?

Because if it turns out that he has been banned he is more likely to knock a child off a bike and kill them? Lets hope he's got away with it and hasn't been banned, which presumably will mean that he is driving around very safely and won't kill a child on a bike.

BTW well done for bringing in both a child and a cyclist into the argument, although I think there is probably more scope for suggesting the horrific consequences of not immediately contacting the police. What if.......knowing that he will be acting illegal and determined that the police should never arrest him, he arms himself with several assault rifles and ends up going on a killing spree which results in the greatest mass murder in UK history, and that's on top of killing a child on a bike, how would all those who now saying "how could you shop your own brother?" then feel, eh ? .......knowing that they had helped commit such a horrific crime. They don't think of stuff like that do they ? 😐

That's quite an impressive paragraph of bollocks, even for you Ernie.

Thanks zokes, I was worried that it might not match the previously posted bollocks, so you can imagine how much I appreciate your kind words 8)

ernie applause from over here too, there was a few high standard ones above to live up to 🙂

Maybe I'd understand if you knew he was banned for drink-driving or causing death by dangerous...but he's 20 and has totted up 6 points?

How about just shopping him for being a dickhead then? Stupid enough to lose your licence through totting up? Dick. Stupid enough to just get your licence taken off you in one hit? Also a dick.

Apparently I'm feeling very eloquent on this Sunday morning!

Maybe I'd understand if you knew he was banned for drink-driving or causing death by dangerous...but he's 20 and has totted up 6 points?

New drivers loose their license at 6 points for a reason - because if you manage to tot up 6 points in two years you are either incredibly unlucky or incredibly stupid and the roads are safer without unlucky / stupid people on them.

I'd be surprised if the police just gave him a talking to if he is banned. Driving with a suspended licence is an absolute offence. Like speeding, having an unregistered firearm etc. There is only guilty.

The thread needs some South Australian road safety campaigns....

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teethgrinder - Member
I'd be surprised if the police just gave him a talking to if he is banned. Driving with a suspended licence is an absolute offence. Like speeding, having an unregistered firearm etc. There is only guilty.

Seen these ones Zokes
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For my brothers own protection, I would speak to him, I would ask for proof he is OK to drive, I would probably shop him.
I say this as I helped stop my grandpa from driving when he became a liability - the family ended up ganging up on him for his (and the people he could have hit's) safety.
I also know of someone I grew up with who was hit by a suspended driver, and the insurance company then disowned the driver. Cue a chap in a wheelchair for his whole life with no compensation.
Sorry, but if my brother is being a c*ck, I would not stand by him and assist him down that road (literally).

Or more fitting for both the thread, and the forum:

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The helmet the Helmet is wearing will offer no protection... 🙄

If he is banned, unless they (police) catch him driving the most they can do is give him a lecture. Unless they've gone minority report all of a sudden.

I also know of someone I grew up with who was hit by a suspended driver, and the insurance company then disowned the driver. Cue a chap in a wheelchair for his whole life with no compensation.

I don't think that could happen anymore. Hasn't the rules been changed so that the insurance company still has to pay out to the third party but now the insurance company would claim it back from their insured driver if he has done something that would normally invalidate the insurance.

First step - establish the facts. This entire thread is based on social media hearsay.

IF he is banned, man up and be a proper big brother. Tell him you are taking his car keys and keep them at yours. Explain to him that this is a better option than turning him in. Secondly, make time for him. Try and wean him away from the bad crowd he's falling in with, by providing an alternative. Don't lecture him, it will have the opposite effect.

And lastly, remember this is your little brother. Be a big brother to him. Do right by him, not the easy 'shop him and wash your hands' that some on here prescribe.