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Old geezer down the pub just sank three pints and jumped in his flash Range Rover.
Hopefully the the old bill find him.
I would imagine you can have 3 pints of shandy and be OK.
Did you do in anyone else?
Snitches get stitches. No one likes a grass
Snitches get stitches. No one likes a grass.
I dislike grasses less than I dislike drink drivers.
Hopefully the the old bill find him.
They were all too busy yesterday arresting peaceful protesters.
Good and three pints of shandy would still put you over the limit here.
Three tonnes of range rover taking a corner a bit wide and fast could have devastating consequences. I grassed an ex-wife after she appeared at my door pissed and then drove away at 2am. Found her car parked outside my flat the next morning with two knackered front alloys and a lot of airbags deployed. She'd obvioulsy hit a curb pretty hard. (yes a Louise)
I think the issue is that drunk driving is a victimless crime until it’s not.
I do get peoples views on snitches but expect that that view would change if their family/friends were innocently involved in an incident.
It’s selfish to drink/drug and drive and isn’t culturally acceptable anymore,that times passed.
Did the same a few months back.
Was for his own good as his car was in the hedge and he was staggering around in the brambles.
If we'd been 30 seconds ahead of where we were walking he'd have taken us with him too.
Tough call - if it wasnt shandy or alcohol free he was drinking then he'd likely be over limit, but very unlikely significantly impaired.
In this instance I side with the snitches get stitches, and question if you had a pre-existing issue with this old fella anyway.
Good.
If it turns out to have been three pints of Guinness Zero then no harm done bar some mild inconvenience.
If it was three Stella's (do people still drink that?) then good service done.
As for snitches get stitches I'd rather a few stitches than someone's mum, dad, child etc ends up in the morgue.
but very unlikely significantly impaired.
I think your definition of 'significantly impaired' differs from mine!
but very unlikely significantly impaired
I know I would be if I tried to drive after 3 pints.
and isn’t culturally acceptable anymore,that times passed.
Unfortunately, from recent conversations with staff and students at work recently, this no longer appears to be the case for many.
Tough call
No it isn’t. It’s very easy. DUI is illegal for very good reason. I’m sure some people attempt to justify it by saying “there are worse sober drivers” etc but that’s irrelevant even if it were correct. It’s illegal over a certain one size fits all amount and everyone should comply regardless of how well they think they can drive after a few drinks…
very unlikely significantly impaired.
Compared to what? What a ridiculous statement. The law has already decided what the definition of significant impairment is and has imposed a limit so everyone is clear what it is.
Well done OP. Ignore the playground snitches get stitches bollocks, utter nonsense driven by bullies.
Drink driving kills.
Unfortunately, from recent conversations with staff and students at work recently, this no longer appears to be the case for many.
Disappointing to hear 🙁
If it turns out to have been three pints of Guinness Zero then no harm done bar some mild inconvenience.
As a regular drinker of alcohol-free beer (I don't drink alcohol at all) I would revel in the smug satisfaction of passing a breath test 🙂
Obviously a waste of police time though.
I am assuming that the old geezer that the OP shopped wasn't a stranger, after all who spends their time in a pub counting how many drinks complete strangers consume? I would have absolutely no idea.
So presumably they know that it wasn't low alcohol/alcohol free?
If it turns out to have been three pints of Guinness Zero then no harm done bar some mild inconvenience.
As a regular drinker of alcohol-free beer (I don't drink alcohol at all) I would revel in the smug satisfaction of passing a breath test 🙂
Obviously a waste of police time though.
I am assuming that the old geezer that the OP shopped wasn't a stranger, after all who spends their time in a pub counting how many drinks complete strangers consume? I would have absolutely no idea.
So presumably they know that it wasn't low alcohol/alcohol free?
I'd agree with most of that Ernie, except for the concept of "Obviously a waste of police time though."
The first thing that "old geezer" will do is tell his tale of getting breath-tested (assuming that he did) to all and sundry. At that point that breath test becomes an excellent use of 5 minutes in prevention on who knows how many others
All power to you alpin
Well done OP. I hope if I am ever in the same situation, I will do the same thing.
In this instance I side with the snitches get stitches, and question if you had a pre-existing issue with this old fella anyway.
Maybe it’s a generational thing (I’m mid forties), but to assume you’d only grass on a drink-driver (alleged) because you have an axe to grind seems odd.
Drink driving is illegal, it’s a public safety issue (baby robins etc if you like to minimise death and serious injuries), it has become increasingly unacceptable in most public spheres. If you believe someone is over the limit, challenge them, call them a taxi if needs be, but if they still get behind the wheel absolutely call the police!
OP shopped wasn't a stranger, after all who spends their time in a pub counting how many drinks complete strangers consume? I
He was. Having lived away for the last 18 years everyone here is a stranger.
I sat there nursing my two pints whilst reading the Economist. Halfway through the first this guy comes in and drinks three pints in quick succession. It's a really tiny pub with three tables and a 5ft long bar. Hard not to notice.
I'll admit that I didn't like his attitude nor his politics which he felt he needed to share with the other five people in the pub.
WRT to snitches get stitches.... Used to abide by that but then the people I used to know bitd who were worth dobbing in were right nasty Berks. Know at least a few people who ended up in hospital and one who had their house burnt down. I left the area as soon as I could at 18.
Snitches get stitches. No one likes a grass
This is so dumb. Would you have the same attitude if the OP had seen someone breaking into house or attacking a woman in the park?
Seeing as this is a bike forum, I would have hoped all of us would take a particularly dim view of drink drivers...
think the issue is that drunk driving is a victimless crime
I don't think anyone is saying that. Are they.....
Tough call -
It really isnt.
In this instance I side with the snitches get stitches, and question if you had a pre-existing issue with this old fella anyway.
Jesus wept. Amazing. Even the introduction of the word "fella" into the sentence to make him seem completely benign.
if he was drinking low/no alcohol or a very weak shandy then he’ll probably feel vindicated that he made the right choice in the pub and tell his mates that he got stopped and thus dispel the idea that your chances of being caught are tiny.I would imagine you can have 3 pints of shandy and be OK.
Did you do in anyone else?
anyone saying “snitches get stitches” needs to give themselves a shake, it’s not a school playground you are encouraging violence against people who are trying to make our roads safer for all of us. If you don’t want stopped for drinking alcohol and driving, don’t drive or don’t drink - if you can’t do that go see your doctor. There’s evidence that even below the English limit there is an impact on driving standards, but none on personal awareness of your abilities: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9671988/
Anyone saying drink driving is a victimless crime is asking for another view of that Aussie road safety video where they ask a chap how many road deaths is a reasonable number, then bring out his family.
but very unlikely significantly impaired.
Would it be reasonable to assume you are from an older generation? I'd hope so. I thought we'd moved on from those befuddled (incorrect) views and it's only a few entrenched old ****ers who are struggling to keep up. You could be high-functioning alcoholic I guess - they tend to say stuff like that too.
In this instance I side with the snitches get stitches
Oddly, I've found the sort of people who spout this are the same people that like to say "police these days...can't be arsed to do their job" bla bla bla...without appreciating the irony in their juxtaposed viewpoints. And coincidently....high-functioning alcoholics like a good 'snitches get stiches' accusation too as it's what keeps them able to do what they do in plain sight....
Drink driving older Range Rover driver.
Highly likely to be a racist Gammon too based on that profile. The country would be better off if they were the ones deported to Rwanda.
On a slight tangent, when did the phrase “high functioning alcoholic” become part of the conversation about alcohol dependent people?
I class myself as previously alcoholic, (sober over 18 months now), I never knowingly drove whilst under the influence, however, I’m functioning a lot better since I stopped!
Perhaps it’s a phrase dreamt up in some think tank to make middle class alcoholism sound better?
“Still stumbling, almost coherent alcohol dependent” doesn’t sound quite as nice?
Would it be reasonable to assume you are from an older generation? I'd hope so. I thought we'd moved on from those befuddled (incorrect) views and it's only a few entrenched old ****ers who are struggling to keep up.
TBH just checked my licence and id got it in ‘85 at that point it was def unacceptable to drink an drive and DoD-Dad had stopped doing it before then and he’s probably in his 80’s now and doesn’t drive anymore.
IMHO I don’t think age has been an excuse for decades 🙂
UK gov' figures.
Overall, an estimated 6,800 people were killed or injured when at least one driver was over the drink-drive limit.
Omg I am shocked at the comments against the OP! Imbeciles.
Well done OP.
On a slight tangent, when did the phrase “high functioning alcoholic” become part of the conversation about alcohol dependent people?
I think it just means they manage to hold down a good job somehow
I think it just means they manage to hold down a good job somehow
Not sure it was ever really defined, but I’d always taken it to mean people who are dependent on alcohol but manage to function, hold down a job etc. One of my wife’s friends was seeing a solicitor for a bit who managed to see off two bottles of wine a night in the week, which is probably into this territory.
Of course what we saw in the pandemic was ‘functioning alcoholics’ who had the structure of work removed, became ‘non-functioning’ in pretty short order, and not long thereafter presented to hospital with decompensated ALD.
Well done. Hopefully one more danger off our roads. I have done the same in the past. someone who habitually drove after several pints.
but very unlikely significantly impaired.
Aside from variances in individuals and the strength of alcohol, this is going to be heavily dependent on the time frame in which it's consumed.
3 pints of Stella inside a couple of hours would have me well on the way to feeling tipsy. Spread over 8 hours I'd feel pretty sober.
Either way, anyone drinking 3 pints and jumping in the car knows they're taking the piss. It's a bit worrying how many cars you see parked outside of country pubs these days.
Its been proven that you are actually impaired at lower than the 0.35 English limit. One of the things with alcohol is you have little insight into how much you are impaired. The only safe amount of alcohol is zero
Despite feeling sober in that position Butcher you would be impaired
Edit - not meant as a dig at you
OP - you are going to have to go there next week and see if he turns up and what he has to say…
Can't believe anyone has even tried to push back on the OPs actions.
If you want some actual numbers, you'll have to google. But we (company) were involved in some proper research on the impact of drink driving, in real cars. About 120 people of varying size, gender and drinking habits. All holders of advanced driving permits for track/test access. Spent the whole day getting pissed and then sobering up on company money (well, EU money anyway) and TBH, after the first pass of the results, no one should have been driving after about 9:45. The study started at 9.but very unlikely significantly impaired.
First person to pass the current (swedish) limit hit it at about 10 am, first one to hit the uk limit was about 11...
OP - you are going to have to go there next week and see if he turns up and what he has to say…
It would a long walk for him if he did get pulled.... From what I overheard he lives about ten miles away. And even if he were to say something I'll tell him that he's a prick for getting in his motor after three pints.
Not got time for dickheads.
And besides, I'm off on Tuesday and not likely to return for a couple of years (unless any unexpected deaths/funerals might scupper that idea).
On a slight tangent, when did the phrase “high functioning alcoholic” become part of the conversation about alcohol dependent people?
Oh, I don't know - it's a phrase I've used personally and professionally for a long time. 20 years maybe...not sure.
I think it's very useful. Most people's immediate image of an alcoholic is someone who's life has completely fallen apart. You think Oliver Reed or worse or the poor sod living the street. In reality they are the tip of the iceberg.
I'd have thought the bigger issue with DUI is not the absolutely mullered drunks, but the great wedge of high functioning alcoholics who have deluded themselves that what they do is perfectly normal and how dare anyone tell them otherwise.
If the police decide to stop him and if he isn't over the limit, then this will be a five minute stop, breathalyse, amd then back on the road for Range Rover Barry.
And FWIW i've worked in pubs on and off over the years and have grassed up/taken keys from a couple of dozen folks over the years. The only time i've got shit for it was when it was the landlord/owners mate and the guy who did the general handymanning round the building.
So the boss made me return his keys, i rang the police instead, they pulled him out of a ditch a couple of miles outside the village (he was also going in the wrong direction).
Was back drink driving in a week.
One of my teachers was described as a high functioning alcoholic in the papers when he was arrested and charged for public indecency, i was at secondary school, so 35+ years ago?On a slight tangent, when did the phrase “high functioning alcoholic” become part of the conversation about alcohol dependent people?
Snitches get stitches. No one likes a grass
We all know you have a grass aversion.
But yeah, far better to harbour criminals. That makes for a much more cohesive society and people getting killed on the roads is just collateral damage.
I have known "high functioning alcoholic" as a description for many years. I know some. It means folk who are alcoholics but do not have chaotic lives ie hold down jobs, continue with relationships etc etc
Imagine being a grown human adult, opening up your browser and typing the words ‘snitches get stitches’ in for everyone to read. Embarrassment levels off the chart.
it isn’t culturally acceptable anymore, that times passed.
I'd say that depends entirely on where you live. When I moved out to the sticks from the city I was amazed by the prevelance of the 'five'n'drive' attitude. The people responsible usually matched exactly the OP's desription. Generally mouthy, gammony gobshites in Land Rovers/Range Rovers who would drive to the pub, neck 5 pints then get up and drive home.
I have known "high functioning alcoholic" as a description for many years. I know some. It means folk who are alcoholics but do not have chaotic lives ie hold down jobs, continue with relationships etc etc
I had a manager who was one - the bottles of orange juice or cola he swigged in the office were topped up with vodka at home before he came in to work. In his company car. A couple of longstanding colleagues/friends got him to hand in the keys and go off on sick leave until he was in a better place. Luckily it worked.
Perhaps the attitudes of society to driving after alcohol consumption need to include driving after drug consumption?
Drugs stay in the body a lot longer than alcohol and can have the same impairment of cognitive functions.
"Its been proven that you are actually impaired at lower than the 0.35 English limit."
It has also been proved that lowering the limit from 80 to 50 does not reduce accidents.
https://iea.org.uk/media/the-case-for-a-lower-drink-drive-limit-is-weak/
IME most drivers that crash after drinking are well above the current UK limit.
Many many moons ago, I lost my licence for a year, having been stopped and breathalised for riding my FS1E erratically. Frankly I was pissed. I was also only seventeen.
Never had more than a pint of shandy and driven since.
Almost 50 years on and I bloody love a few pints , especially after a good day riding or walking in the hills. 3 pints in and I couldn’t even think about driving, I’m certainly not sure I could safely. Let alone legally.
As for snitches get stitches I'd rather a few stitches than someone's mum, dad, child etc ends up in the morgue
100% this. I remember a recent thread about whether someone shoukd dob in the owner of a car parked harmlessly a street without tax. I was like, no, it's doing zero harm at all
Drink driving is a million miles from this. There's plenty of times driving home after 3 pints woukd have been very convenient for me, but I wouldn’t dream of doing it, as im not a xxxx.
If you can afford a range rover, you can afford a taxi. We'll done OP, I hope he got stopped and if over limit loses his licence. Not that that'll probably stop him from doing it again. Should have his car crushed (or confiscated and sold off for charity)
It would a long walk for him if he did get pulled.... From what I overheard he lives about ten miles away. And even if he were to say something I'll tell him that he's a prick for getting in his motor after three pints.
If he got pulled up and failed a breathalyzer I wouldn't expect him to be going anywhere other than a police station, no?
Out of interest how did you report him, you took down his resignation and phoned 999?
The only time I have ever reported anyone was many years ago when whilst driving I saw a guy literally unable to stand up and on his hands and knees on the pavement next to a car.
I stopped and got out of my car to help him and the first thing he said was "are you a policeman?", that's when I realised that he was intending to get in and drive the car.
About half a mile along the same road in the direction I was going in I knew there was a police station so I jumped into my car drove up there and rushed into the police station explaining what I had witnessed.
There were about 2 or 3 coppers there and they seemed to treat it as if it was some sort of wind-up and they just appeared to humour me without showing any urgency in dealing with the issue. So I just left it to them feeling that I at least had done my bit.
In hindsight I should have taken the car keys off the geezer and that at least would have both stopped him and backed up my story with the police. But everything happened so quickly and I had never been faced with a similar situation before so it just didn't occur to me at the time.
Plus he was a complete stranger and I wasn't 100% that I had the legal right to "rob him" of his car keys. Although later when I thought about it I realised that I did have.
Hey Alpin didn't you get banned for pot in Germany 😉
If the police decide to stop him and if he isn't over the limit, then this will be a five minute stop, breathalyse, amd then back on the road for Range Rover Barry.
No necessarily so. After the initial police conversation with Range Rover Barry ascertaining where he'd been, they are at liberty to make him wait for 30mins or so before breathalyzing him. Probably for the sole reason of catching the speedy multi-pint quaffer and sprinter before it really kicks in.
Happened to me when it was safer to drive to the pub than walk on frozen and ice bound pavements for a pub meal. Yes, I blew under the limit as a shandy drinker.
Then, free advertising:
The first thing that "old geezer" will do is tell his tale of getting breath-tested (assuming that he did) to all and sundry. At that point that breath test becomes an excellent use of 5 minutes in prevention on who knows how many others
Fair call, OP
Re to the "He probably wasn't significantly impaired" comment, as someone who rode motorbikes for many years I can wholeheartedly say I could definitely notice a significant difference if I drank one pint and was definitely impaired, you don't notice it to the same extent in a car but you're impaired just the same.
And as for it being a victimless crime, well it is until it isn't, my friend's brother was hit by a drunk driver while walking home, he was seventeen years old, he spent the next eight years in a persistent vegative state until his death, it destroyed his family, she wrote a book about their experience, read The Last Act of Love by Cathy Rentzenbrink and come back and write that bollocks.
FYI, I do not condone drunk driving and I’m not a fan of gammony Range Rover drivers either. I do believe in karma though.
But why be a snitchy Karen? Mind your own and let the cosmos deal with it.
FYI, I do not condone drunk driving and I’m not a fan of gammony Range Rover drivers either. I do believe in karma though.
But why be a snitchy Karen? Mind your own and let the cosmos deal with it.
You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem. with drink drivers there is no neutral position. What the OP did is called being a good citizen.
So yes - you are condoning drink driving
But why be a snitchy Karen? Mind your own and let the cosmos deal with it.
Dear god. If something happened in your past life that has repressed your thinking to that of a slightly backward teenager; think of it like this.....
....in this case 'the cosmos' did deal with it, and it did it through the vessel of a grumpy old bloke supping a pint and reading the Economist.
But why be a snitchy Karen? Mind your own and let the cosmos deal with it.
And if you heard your next door neighbour beating up his wife or kids, you'd just shrug and say "not my problem"?
Can't tell if you're trolling or genuinely think this is an ok attitude to have...
I can’t see the cosmos approach working. Ours have had a terrible year themselves, just come into flower and the wind has blown them over.
Hey Alpin didn't you get banned for pot in Germany 😉
Yeah, wonder what Alanis Moressette what have to say about that..... Like rain on your wedding day.
However, I wasn't stoned at the time having smoked two days prior, but my THC levels were higher than allowed at the time. With Germany's new drug laws and revised tolerances I would have passed without issue. As it is, I now simply don't drive whilst in Germany or don't smoke whilst there.
@ernielynch 101 but that didn't work with my foreign number so 999, the guys reg and a description of the geezer.
On another note, he's not in the pub this evening, whereas, me being a functioning alcoholic, I am.
If you can afford a range rover, you can afford a taxi.
If you've bought a Range Rover, you're probably being crushed by a dozen mechanics' bills. But you still don't get to drown your sorrows before you climb into it.
I do believe in karma though.
This doesn't surprise me either.
In other news,
Drink driver.... Just dobbed him in
Coincidentally, I just have as well.
Middle of the afternoon earlier today, good visibility, road with a 50mph limit, I found myself behind a Yaris who was all over the place. Almost crossing the kerbside lines then almost crossing the centre lines a few seconds later. At the point where they ran wide on a gentle left-hand curve and almost caused a head-on with an oncoming Transit, I dialled 999. I had a good chat with Dispatch, gave them a description and the registration number, and they said they'd send a patrol to intercept.
Whether the driver was pissed, high, incompetent or something else I've no way of knowing. I just figured they needed stopping and sharpish.
Where do I go for my stitches?
Nice one Cougar. And also such driving characteristics could be as a result of a medical episode, so dialling 999 and requesting assistance is for everyone's benefit.
No stiches required. Or no jacket, if your name is Phil.
But why be a snitchy Karen? Mind your own and let the cosmos deal with it
A few years ago a clearly drunk neighbour of my parents, visited to shout at my elderly mother about them objecting to building a massive house overlooking my parents in the back garden of the shouty man’s listed building.
I was livid and felt I should do something, I didn’t know what, but it turned out he went out for Pizza one night and died behind the wheel.
So I didn’t need to do anything.
It’s not just about protecting other road users, you could be saving the drunk drivers life by reporting them.
On a slight tangent, when did the phrase “high functioning alcoholic” become part of the conversation about alcohol dependent people?
Every January, this forum throws up a few.
but very unlikely significantly impaired
I know I would be if I tried to drive after 3 pints.
A long time ago, before there were restrictions, I had three bottles of Grolsch, when it was still available in the flip-top bottles, and drove home. It was only from Lacock to home, which was about three miles or so, but as soon as I got out of the car park and onto the main road, I knew better than to do that again!
before there were restrictions
Blimey, how old are you?
Morally, there's no excuse for the drink driving element, but...
Rocks up to local pub after being away for 18 years, sits in the corner smugly reading the Economist, dobs in locals, leaves for another couple of years, posts about it on social media for congratulation.
I hope you weren't driving after nursing your TWO pints - you were probably over the limit too.
Have a word and please don't frequent my local 😘
That Institute for economic affairs survey outlined above. Hmm, if you read the article attached I would suggest that it wasn’t written in an entirely unbiased manner.