[Closed] Dream car an Aston DB9, would a Ferrari 458 or Lambo be a disappointment ?

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Not a Maserati then ?

However, she's always gone on about Astons... not sure why or from where, but her dream is an Aston MArtin DB8/9/whatever...

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Open your eyes my friend you have competition !

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Damn you!

458 out of that lot will be the nicest and easiest to drive if she has no experience of driving that type of car before.

Macan

Aston most 'normal' to drive (along with Maserati). 458 can be a little hyper but has a full auto mode and is happy pottering around. Dash ergonomics and steering wheel mounted indicators etc can take some getting used to which may be tough in an hour. Lambo is hardcore and would be quite intimidating I think with poor visibility etc.

Have they got a Ferrari California? Most Aston like of all the 'raris and aimed very much at the GT market rather than supercar.

All bar the Speciale may feel tame after an R1 though!!

My wife did a lap in both a DB9 and a Ferrari 360.

Sure said the Aston was a lovely place to sit but just felt like a fast luxury car. The Ferrari properly scared her (she was taken round by an instructor each time).

So depends what wifey looks for in a car and what experience you're wanting to give her.

Have they got a Ferrari California? Most Aston like of all the 'raris and aimed very much at the GT market rather than supercar.

They have the California yes, this would also give the abilty for me and our 8 year old to go out. I was thinking of the Mountain tour or the Panoramic tour which is an hour or so driving tour.

No real point in doing it on track as we've been there and done loads of trackdays so not sure she'd get anything out of the track side of things in honesty.

I'd go with the Ferrari or Lambo option personally, just think it would be more exciting in a 1 hour experience - even though the DB9 would be the one I'd buy (if I had the cash...) out of the three.

weeksy - Member
Have they got a Ferrari California? Most Aston like of all the 'raris and aimed very much at the GT market rather than supercar.
They have the California yes, this would also give the abilty for me and our 8 year old to go out. I was thinking of the Mountain tour or the Panoramic tour which is an hour or so driving tour.

No real point in doing it on track as we've been there and done loads of trackdays so not sure she'd get anything out of the track side of things in honesty.

Your 8 year old might get in the back but unsure you would for an hour anyway! If she hasn't driven any/many sports/super cars then the Cali will steel feel pretty special and in Italy I'd far rather drive on their mountain roads than on track. That is very much on my bucket list.

I suspect the Aston is more about the way it looks and the 007 connotations as although they are very pretty, they're not all that to drive bar the noise the make, when compared with Italys finest at least.

If you were taking me I wouldn't find an Italian supercar a disappointment in Italy. In fact it would be very appropriate.

Choice between track and mountain roads is tricky. Having done loads of bike track days it was interestingly different to have a go in a car but I found the fun rather reduced by the additional restrictions I had imposed on me (not much overtaking) so check just what you'd be getting. I'd head for the mountains with the start of the Italian Job in my mind....except the bit with the JCB.

I'd def go mountain roads.
On a track you're pressured into going faster than the lap before and this does not suit [s]me[/s] many people.
On the open road you can go at your own pace, taking in the scenery and pretending you're back in the 60's!

OK, right... we're settled on that then 🙂

Will be either the 458 or the Scuderia

I guess the next things to work on are flying/driving and locations afterwards.

Ideally we'd for example fly into Bologna, spend the first night in the Maranello village hotel, do the Driving experience on the 2nd day along with the Ferrari and Ducati tours

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Then it's a question of whether we head west to Pisa/Livorno for a week or head East to Revenna/Rimini. The next 6-7 days will be more relaxed and just chilling really. Bit of beach, bit of sun, bit of playing with my lad etc while the wife relaxes

So any ideas on that side of things are appreciated... I can't ask on the other forums I frequent as Mrs Weeksy also looks at them, so I'm stuck with you lot 😉

DB9 is a GT car. If she rides a motorbike, it will likely feel a bit of a (luxurious and very handsome) letdown.

If you are in Italy and visiting the Fiorano, I'd defy anyone not to get a little bit swept-up in the whole Ferrari myth and legend, so the 458 gets my vote.

I'd head for the mountains with the start of the Italian Job in my mind

I was thinking exactly that. And the Lambo.

If I had the choice I would pick the Ferrari. I had a drive in a Lamborghini Gallardo and I was very disappointed. At the time I had a new mk5 Golf GTI with the leather Recaro bucket seats. The Gallardo had very similar seats and steering wheel and just felt like a faster version of the golf. It felt far to normal to drive even when you put your foot down. The engine sound was very good though. I can imagine a Murcielago or Aventador would be a different beast though.
Aston martin's do nothing for me. I live close to an Aston Martin dealership so there are loads around and rows of them outside the garage. They are very nice but they don't seem very special anymore. I only want to see cars like that once or twice a year so they retain the wow factor.
I also decided that if I ever get a super car I want a savage animal that wants to kill me instead of something more civilised like a Gallardo or Audi r8 that you could quite happily drive to work everyday.

@weeksy I see you've decided and I would agree, you are in Italy and visiting the Ferrari museum so a Ferrari it should be. A California allowing you all to share the experience esp little weeksy would be cool.

As an aside I would second the comments about the DB9 its a wonderful car but a grand tourer not a "go kart" style sports car. I have a friend with one and he likes it as he can use it every day and for longer journeys.

On the rest of Italy tour I haven't visited the coast much aside from Almalfi which is wonderful and very romantic. Otherwise you have Tuscany, Florence, Siena and a country hotel with a pool option. Or you could go to Como or Garda.

Cyclists ride along mountain roads. Be careful, please.

I drove the Gallardo 570 last year on one of these gift supercar experience days.

I was all set to drive the Vantage V8 as I thought that was the only car available, but then when I turned up there was a wide choice of cars.

I was still going to drive the Vantage as a bloke at work has one and I thought it would be funny to goad him about having taken one around a track when he barely takes his on the road, let alone round a track.
But, one of the guys running the event reckoned that the V8 vantage would be a disappointment and is a bit weak compared to the other cars there.

I opted for the Gallardo 570 in bright yellow.

It was lovely to drive, but very easy - I was hoping to be mildly scared but at no point did I feel that it was anything other than a fast car with tons of grip. I'm sure if I'd have been really going for it, I might have found it a bit more intimidating but I wasn't hanging around it and it never felt anything less than sure footed.
Flappy paddles & power steering meant it was easy to drive at low speeds and visibility was fine for driving on a track. I'm sure parallel parking it in Tesco car park would take some concentration but it was all a bit....erm, refined. Oh, apart from the engine note. It sounded absolutely gorgeous!

After driving that, I got a driven lap in an Aerial Atom - the one with the supercharged Civic Type R engine in it - 300bhp. Jesus, that thing was fast and the bloke was wringing it's neck.
If I won the lottery & wanted something to give me thrills, it would be that over the Lamborghini.

Anyway - none of that answers your question which you seem to have answered already. Ferrari, I reckon. In red.

Mrs Weeksy showing she's gelled with the R1 pretty quickly ! The best lean angle we've seen on any pics of her ever !
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Italian car with a soft top would be best IMO. I drove an Alpha Spider around Lake Garda and it was blooming brill. The car doesn't need to be very fast as you are on roads with traffic, but it needs to be fun to drive and you need to feel the wind on your face etc. It is about driving as enjoyment so its the whole package, the sun, the scenery and car coming all together, it is not about how fast you can go. Chalk and cheese compared to a track day.

She's got an R1 for track work.

Surely any car would be a bit ho-hum. 🙂

weeksy

Mrs Weeksy showing she's gelled with the R1 pretty quickly ! The best lean angle we've seen on any pics of her ever !

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Fixed that for you, you're welcome 😀

@weeksy lets get it out in the open, your wife is cool 8)

Surely any car would be a bit ho-hum

But that isn't the point of driving mountain roads in Italy, it isn't a track day. It's about enjoying the whole thing. Oh a defo take the kid along.

Jambalaya,

I thought so right up until lap 7 on Friday.... where she came past me and sodded off into the distance !

This was her just before the overtake she pulled up the straight on me.

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A 2CV, the kid and two sick bags for the win.

A guy in my MTB club was found in a ravine next to a bend on the Col de Soulor. He was knocked out and suffered memory loss so had no idea what happened. All that's known is that he was riding up the Col (so riding at about 12km/h) with the most likely explanation being he was forced off the road by a car.

🙂

It must be just me that thinks £400 for an hour pootling in a Ferrari is bonkers ? Why not put the £400 to a bit more to hire a nice car for the time you are in Italy ? You could hire a very nice car quite cheaply in SW Germany and then drive over the Alps and back to Italy
(beware that hiring from Munich Airport for example is 20% more than getting a taxi/bus into Munich centre..both with Avis)

dave661350 - Member

It must be just me that thinks £400 for an hour pootling in a Ferrari is bonkers ? Why not put the £400 to a bit more to hire a nice car for the time you are in Italy ? You could hire a very nice car quite cheaply in SW Germany and then drive over the Alps and back to Italy
(beware that hiring from Munich Airport for example is 20% more than getting a taxi/bus into Munich centre..both with Avis)

I am not convinced there's such a thing as a 'nice' car in that sort of budget.. Hell I could hire an Audi RS4 or something I bet, but it's not going to be like driving a Ferrari... it's going to spend 99% of it's time then sitting outside our accommodation for the duration of the trip.

p.s I'm not going to Germany... nor is it a driving holiday.

£400 for an hours drive is a bit nuts but isn't that the point for your 40th !

I would go with Ferrari out of those, however I'm not convinced I would want any of them for 1hr. Just long enough to think you understand the car, and then its time to finish.

I would be hiring something like a Porsche Boxter for a couple of days for the same money. No one telling you to slow down, change up early, keep the traction on etc.

Can you get a bank loan? Buy the cheapest private sale Aston Martin V8 Vantage/DB9 you can, run it for a month including driving down to italy and then sell it when you get back and pay off the loan. It'll likely cost you £2k at most if you buy smart. MUCH better than £400 for an hour.

It'll likely cost you £2k at most

+ all the break down & repair bill costs.

dave661350 - Member

It must be just me that thinks £400 for an hour pootling in a Ferrari is bonkers ?

jambalaya - Member

£400 for an hours drive is a bit nuts but isn't that the point for your 40th !

I have a 911 turbo for high days and holidays and, last month, went to the Porsche Experience Centre at Silverstone and paid about £300 for 90 mins of track time and tuition in [i]their[/i] "cooking" 911. Anyone can book this - you don't have to be a Porsche customer - and TBH it set me thinking that for not much more than the price of annual road tax, it might be better to sell the car and do a couple of these each year.

A Ferrari in Italy .... blooming brilliant.

Just my two pennies worth on this ....

Ideally we'd for example fly into Bologna, spend the first night in the Maranello village hotel, do the Driving experience on the 2nd day along with the Ferrari and Ducati tours

Now I don't know how long the tours are at those factories or how close they are in location to each other, as well as to the driving experience's location..... But that seems a lot to pack into one day (if I've read the above right?)

If you pack too much into a short time you'll be rushed and might not be able to enjoy what you've just done..... Maybe spread this part out longer ? Sounds like you have enough time.

But anyway... hope you enjoy it, sounds fantastic

Now I don't know how long the tours are at those factories or how close they are in location to each other, as well as to the driving experience's location..... But that seems a lot to pack into one day (if I've read the above right?)

If you pack too much into a short time you'll be rushed and might not be able to enjoy what you've just done..... Maybe spread this part out longer ? Sounds like you have enough time.

True true... THe hotel in Maranello seems nice enough and also cheap enough that it wouldn't be a major hardship doing it that way and making it into a 2 day, we could in theory leave on day 2 afternoon then for the coast.

Can you get a bank loan? Buy the cheapest private sale Aston Martin V8 Vantage/DB9 you can, run it for a month including driving down to italy and then sell it when you get back and pay off the loan. It'll likely cost you £2k at most if you buy smart. MUCH better than £400 for an hour.

That's RIGHT up there in terms of crazy insane ideas that is...

My son and I did the Ferrari museums just before Christmas last year. Both were very good. Not huge but well laid out with lots of stuff, plus info in English which helped. The factory tour was ok, but you have to stay in the bus.

Sounds like you've a fairly full itinerary - if you do however find yourself with a couple of hours to spare, the Panini Motor Museum is amazing - it's in the middle of a dairy farm outside Modena & has the most amazing collection of vintage sportscars (mainly Maserati) & memorabilia i've ever seen - even in random pics on the tinternet.

It looks like this - there's a Maserati Chubasco upstairs too...

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FWIW Maranello and Ducatti are in easy commute of each other but the latter is not far from the centre of Bologna (or was last time I was there) and so you'd want to pick and choose to avoid commute traffic.

The Ducati tour and museum is brilliant, pretty cheap too I seem to remember it was only 12Euros. Bolonga is not the best place to stay though.

We rode over from there to Maranello and stayed in the Ferrari hotel. To be honest its more like a Travel lodge than anything posh. Cheap though 🙂

But can't recommend the Ducati factory your and museum enough !!!

I can't believe someone thinks you can buy & sell and Aston for the same price after owning a month

I have a 911 turbo for high days and holidays and, last month, went to the Porsche Experience Centre at Silverstone and paid about £300 for 90 mins of track time and tuition in their "cooking" 911. Anyone can book this - you don't have to be a Porsche customer - and TBH it set me thinking that for not much more than the price of annual road tax, it might be better to sell the car and do a couple of these each year.

weeksy - Member

That's RIGHT up there in terms of crazy insane ideas that is...

Why?

I've actually done this a few times, though admittedly not with an Aston, but the principle's the same.

bologna, lovely place. Enjoy yourself.

oh yes, and all along the road by the museum are garages renting out Ferrari, with people dragging you in to sign up.
If you've ever been to Cambridge it's the same as the punt operators looking for custom.

It must be just me that thinks £400 for an hour pootling in a Ferrari is bonkers ?

Once in a lifetime experience for many people. Fulfilling lifelong dreams. I'm the tightest person going, but I'd be tempted. Hell of a lot less commitment than owning one!

There will be a hefty deposit - I hired a classic Alfa in Italy, probably worth around 30k and the excess was 3k. Typically supercar hire places want 10-20k excess, and will want to see that you've got the cash / take a swipe of a credit card.

I'd personally go for a classic - when you're in a hired motor that costs as much as a house, with a big excess, you don't tend to go bonkers with the loud pedal.

Is it just me that's fed up that she's only going to be 40?
That's just whipper snapper age and she should really be driving a Nissan Micra or something else with a black box and cheaper insurance.

So, onto phase 2 then guys...

I need a Gite/house, somewhere quiet, tranquil and nice, ideally with a pool, but if not it's kinda OK. Somewhere within 100 miles ideally of Bologna.

Plan B if we can't find anything is to make it into a bit of an adventure which would look a bit like this.

Day 1. Drive to Folkstone, train to France, drive to Riemes (or nearby).
Day 2. Drive to Geneva
Day 3. Drive to Bologna/Maranello
Day 4. Ferrari day and museum
Day 5. Ducati factory tour, maybe MotoGuzzi too, drive to Morzine.
Day 6. Chill in Morzine
Day 7. Drive to Burgundy.
7-14. Holiday home in Burgundy.
14, drive back home.

Is day 4 both Ferrari museums?

There are much much much nicer places than Morzine in the Alps!

Rich, I don't know. Neither of us are into cars as such so it's more for our 8 year old. Just thought it would be an idea as we're local.

Dunc, elaborate please. Ideally with pool/somewhere for the boy to have fun etc.

Back to the cars .

can you fit in a trip to the Alfa Romeo museum in Milan ?

Are the 4c and *c available to hire as alternative ?

Not sure Milan is really for us with a small child. Especially was we'd be driving too. Been there twice flying and liked it, not sure I'd want to drive.

I have no idea what them cars are lol.

That should say 8C

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The museum in Modena has mostly road cars, plus lots of engines (which we found interesting). Mostly in a new building that's pretty impressive.
Maranello is mostly racing cars, with some road as well. It's about a 30 minute drive from one to the other, or you can book a bus.

I did a track day for my 30th and drove a 458, DB9 and Atom - in that order, which kind of spoilt the DB9.

It was like driving a tanker compared to the 458. Unresponsive, heavy, slow... (relatively)

The two cars are totally incomparable - take the 458.

Not sure Milan is really for us with a small child. Especially was we'd be driving too. Been there twice flying and liked it, not sure I'd want to drive.

Junior cycled from Paris to Berlin at 7 and loved the city (well the McDo's, curry wurste rowing a boat on the Spree bits at least).

Choose an interesting route and driving there could be the most interesting part of the holiday. More interesting than driving an unfamiliar, idiosyncratic, lh-drive car for an hour.

Potential plan change, which would involve heading to for exampler Verbier on the way back and then stopping there.

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The only downside of the plan is possible weather issues compared to the Italian coast.. But the plus side is that me and my young lad will have more stuff to do whilst Mrs Weeksy sits by a pool/balcony etc.

Moving back into this thread then as it's now getting time for booking/planning.

We're onto the debate of "what's the plan after Maranello/Bologna.

Do we go west to the coast, do we go east to the coast, do we go north to Como. Some ideas/thoughts around Como, Lecco, Varenna, Locarno would be most appreciated. I'd imagine a few of you guys have frequented these sorts of place. Ideally somewhere to sit in the sun for Mrs Weeksy, something interesting to do for me and my lad for a day or two.