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Does anyone has first hand experience of this. My mum has been diagnosed with fibromyalgia along with all her other ailments. The drugs she is on don't seem to do much so thought a bit of natural may help. Can't imagine her smoking it so how would it be best administered?
I've never used any drugs but would know someone who knows someone as to supply.
I would recommend seeing a reliable medical professional first, before getting your mum stoned.
It can be used in chronic pain, but so can lots of other things, with better researched effects, and more reliable dosages...
All right straight shirt!
Bake it into stuff, brownies cakes what ever. Tried and proven!
my old next door neighbour was retired from the police force due to injury (back in a car accident), years of pain killers had given him some very un-pleasant side effects - he asked me if i could get him something herbal, which we then baked into treats. Made a massive difference to him
as for knowing someone to supply, ask around friends 😉
I have been using weed for CFS (similar to FM) and its helped me immensely. It chills me out, helps me sleep, and relieves the aching.
Prescription drugs are evil, I was prescribed antidepressants which did more harm than good, the side effects were awful.
Weed is natural with hardly any side effects, although I'm sure that depends on the user, still way less than the crap the doctors give you.
If you can't see her smoking it, what about a vaporiser? They heat the weed up and you breath in the vapours. Because you aren't actually burning it, you aren't inhaling any carcinogens. This is the preferred way to "medicate" in California where they can get weed on prescription.
I have always found that cannabis can relax muscle and relieve tension which can as a result reduce pain. I have never found it effective as a pain killer. If that makes sense.
It can be taken in food, brownies and baked goods being the most common, but can be used in other foods. You just need to have the cannabis cooked in oil or alcohol to dissolve the THC.
Weed is natural, hardly any side effects
The more negative side effects of marijuana intoxication include:
Nausea
Short-term memory loss
Racing heartbeat
Agitation, anxiety
Dizziness
Confusion
Paranoia
Depression
just because something is natural, never assume it's not harmful
zippykona - MemberCan't imagine her smoking it so how would it be best administered?
[url= http://www.storz-bickel.com/vaporizer/volcano-vaporization-system.html ]Volcano[/url]
This will vapourise the THC and other cannibanoids [b]below[/b] the combustion point of the organic material, making it a much healthier way of ingesting your favourite medicinal herb. You also have fine control over the temperature...lower temps = a lighter, more functional 'up' effect and a higher temperature will be a heavier stone. This is relative, depending on strain...speaking if which, there are roughly a bazillion strains out there and their suitability for treating any particular ailment will vary strain to strain and person to person.
The more negative side effects of marijuana intoxication include:
Nausea
Short-term memory loss
Racing heartbeat
Agitation, anxiety
Dizziness
Confusion
Paranoia
Depressionjust because something is natural, never assume it's not harmful
Ahhh, so it has all the side effects of coffee then....
You need to look at medical papers, ones from California will probably be more realistic as they use it for medical purposes.
Californian medicinal use of cannabis is hardly going to be an objective set of studies is it? much "medicinal" use is just an excuse to get stoned
Cannabis is not a painkiller.
It may relax muscles and alter the sensation of pain or just mean you don't give a shit about it but it does not act as a painkiller in any conventional sense.
For teh OP plenty of conventional routes to go down first
Cannabis is not a painkiller.It may relax muscles and alter the sensation of pain or just mean you don't give a shit about it but it does not act as a painkiller in any conventional sense.
You sound convincing.. but you're totally wrong as usaul.
That doesn't mean I would ever recommend cannabis, purely due to the proven long term psychotic effects.
Cannabis is not a painkiller.
Yes it is.
Californian medicinal use of cannabis is hardly going to be an objective set of studies is it?
Why not?
If you want to find out what medical uses there are for it, it kind of makes sense to read papers from countries where it is used for medicinal purposes.
For teh OP plenty of conventional routes to go down first
Just because they are legal and given to you by a doctor, doesn't mean they are any safer. The companies who make prescription drugs only have one thing in mind, money.
As an example when Valium first came out they said it wasn't addictive, and (which I'm sure you know) it turned out to be highly addictive. Then when its "replacement" came out, Zoplicone, they said the same about that. Turns out Zoplicone and the "Z drugs" are just as, if not more addictive than benzodiazepines.
You don't hear of many people in rehab for Cannabis addiction, plenty for benzodiazepines though.
What's your point, Swiss?swiss01 - Member
ah yes, vaporizers
http://www.ukcia.org/research/pipes.php
I smoked for 20 odd years.. wouldn't recommend it as a painkiller..
maybe the effects of the drug that fall into the hypnotic spectrum can help displace the pain to a certain degree in some cases..
out of the hundreds of users I knew when I was using.. only a handful remain regular smokers.. most have given up citing the adverse side effects stated above as their main reason..
that said.. it can certainly expand your psychological horizons and encourage you to explore areas of creativity and parts of your psyche that otherwise may have remained undiscovered.. though this process can be unpleasant..
You need to look at medical papers, ones from California will probably be more realistic as they use it for medical purposes.
I'd say tazzy has more actual experience with weed than you've had hot dinners. 😉
Weed is natural with hardly any side effects, although I'm sure that depends on the user, still way less than the crap the doctors give you.
Hmmm.....
Afraid I have to disagree with you there, but will leave it at that.
DrP
I have nothing but contempt for modern so called medicine, that focuses so highly on treatment that involves the prescribing of drugs but not on the healing of body or mind.
As long as there are individuals who stand to make a fortune from the sale of such drugs and as long as the drugs are time and time again proven to be harmful when so called clinical studies have shown they are safe, that contempt will remain.
The issue and subject of this thread is the use of cannabis or grass etc as a usefull form of pain management, which it has been proven to be in the case of people suffering from pain.
If those suffering from pain are varifying that it is effective, perhaps that should carry more weight than a bunch of studies carried out by researchers.
No offence gentlemen but this blind adherence to facts and figures that are funded and produced using money that is contributed by third parties is questionable, just as the motives, procedures and findings are also questionable.
This thread has a topic that does not involve products manufactured by multi billion pounds global companies, is there any chance you can set aside your inflexible perspectives and simply stick to the topic ❓
Well said Kaesae
Hmmm.....
Afraid I have to disagree with you there, but will leave it at that.DrP
So you can name a more effective painkiller that is as safe to use on a daily basis as Cannabis?
I doubt you can.
If those suffering from pain are varifying that it is effective, perhaps that should carry more weight than a bunch of studies carried out by researchers.
By the same merit, I would prescribe/suggest mayonnaise to rub onto muscular aches and pains (placebo effect - an effect taken into account massively when conducting studies in clinical trails.)
No offence gentlemen but this blind adherence to facts and figures that are funded and produced using money that is contributed by third parties is questionable, just as the motives, procedures and findings are also questionable.
This is why I'm in my job - I have learnt to critically analyse medical papers and clinical trial conclusions and outcomes, not just believe anything printed in the sunday papers....
DrP
If those suffering from pain are varifying that it is effective, perhaps that should carry more weight than a bunch of studies carried out by researchers.
if science has taught us on thing it why we should not listen to subjective accounts of anything but seek objective measures of everything
How can anyone want anecdote and self report above actual studies done by researchers 😯
I prescribe a broad spectrum placebo for your ails kaease
Like anything you put into your body it will have effects you want and effects you dont want
this is as true of cannabis and it is true of prescription drugs or coffee.
As the former s illegal unfortunately the quality will be far more variable than the later two and the consequence of us far more reaching [ it is illegal you may get done ]
Well said KaesaeHmmm.....
Afraid I have to disagree with you there, but will leave it at that.DrP
So you can name a more effective painkiller that is as safe to use on a daily basis as Cannabis?
I doubt you can.
Flow - no offence meant as I'm sure you're a nice chap, but [url= http://www.simonpreacher.com/blog/success_journal/never-argue-with-a-fool/ ]this [/url] is a principle I try to stick to rigidly in life...
Good luck with your problems, but this is where I leave the thread...
DrP
Cannabis is not a painkiller. Whatever yo may think this is certainly so. It can have a use in the management of chronic pain however the side effects it has are certainly not safe. there is a strong link with psychosis for example.
I am for a very liberal drugs policy and I understand cannabis is less harmful to society than alcohol but it is not without side effects and it is not a painkiller.
I am not sure there is a strong link TJ strong correlation yes but link ?
The evidence is at best inconclusive- those who experiment with drugs
It is not risk free but strong link..what percentage of users develop psychosis?
Volcano is to dry for the throat, plus the bag system is wasteful, better with a Dutch Verdamper if its for medical purposes, or the Vriptech system.
correlation would be better perhaps yes Junkyard, NO known causal link - 3 hypothesis - trigger, cause, coincidence - none proven.
Certainly a significant number of cannabis users develop psychotic states
What percentage though- not trolling I dont know
I agree it may well be a trigger and I think it is unlikely to be a cause as i would guess the % amongst users is so low that this would be hard to prove- coincidence again a possibility
I dont think it will help you re your mental health whatever the research proves
I live in Colorado where medical marijuana is also legal. I have a prescription/license to use it for chronic pain. I broke my back and although the bones have healed I still get a lot of pain and the weed helps a lot. The alternatives were oxycodone and percocet, both heavy pain killers that have a lot more dangerous side effects than cannabis.
I like to smoke it in a little pipe but the dispensaries sell it in all forms imaginable. Tea bags, butter, brownies and cakes. They even have an oil in pill form.
I would also say that just because you use cannabis does not necessarily mean your stoned out of mind, just like you can have a drink and not be hammered.
Simple junkyard, we should try for ourselves and then embrace that which works and reject that which does not.
If sufferers of pain are saying that for them cannabis has worked, but researchers who have never taken it for pain are saying it does not, what logical person would listen to those who have no hands on experience, without varifying the facts for themselves.
In this day and age more weight is given to simulations and research than is given to hands on experience, that is simply madness!
Flow - no offence meant as I'm sure you're a nice chap, but this is a principle I try to stick to rigidly in life...Good luck with your problems, but this is where I leave the thread...
DrP
No offence DrP but most of the fools I have met in the past year have been doctors, maybe thats why you can't answer my question?
Cannabis is not a painkiller. Whatever yo may think this is certainly so. It can have a use in the management of chronic pain however the side effects it has are certainly not safe. there is a strong link with psychosis for example.I am for a very liberal drugs policy and I understand cannabis is less harmful to society than alcohol but it is not without side effects and it is not a painkiller.
I'm afraid you are totally wrong TJ.
Sativex, one of the many cannabinoid based pharmaceutical drugs is licensed for use with MS to to relieve neuropathic pain, spasticity, overactive bladder, and other symptoms.
It is also licensed for use for cancer pain.
Studies on psychosis are pretty unreliable. They can't decided if its cannabis that causes it, or if people susceptible to it are drawn to using cannabis.
Ahhh, so it has all the side effects of coffee then....
Well I was wondering where I was getting my confusion and paranoia from ..... thanks for the tip.
Kaesae - actually its about evidence and science. Yes rightly research is given more weight than anecdote. Thats evidence based practice
There is good evidence of it having beneficial effects in a number of chronic conditions.
No flow I am right. As I said earlier
It can have a use in the management of chronic pain
It is not an analgesic - those uses for it are like the way drugs such as amytriptalyne and gabapentin are used in chronic pain. Its subtle and important difference in how it works.
A relative uses weed for pain relief and says it has given him more relief than any precription drug he's been given.
He's also a non smoker and uses high fat milk (gold top) to absorb the THC from his drugs. Boil the milk and pour into a thermos(type)flask put the weed into the thrmos and leave to steep for at least 1 hour , use in tea or coffee.
thats a method i've not heard of before carlos.
*puts pan of milk on hob*
It has to be high fat milk , normal blue top doesn't have enough fat.
It doesn't smell great either ,vegetable(y) milk .
kaesae, sometimes (Post Office thread) I struggle to understand you, then others like now I very much agree wiht your POV. Of course same as almost any drug it will work better for some than others. For musucalar pain for me it works, however if you come off your bike and cut your head open I don't think it will have much affect. If it works great, if not don't use it but you can be certain it is far less harmful to mind and body than a myriad of legal prescription drugs that make some well placed people a LOT of money.
is weed actually weed these days ?(as in good ol fashion green stuff with seeds) isn't it all skunk which is rocket juice and cant be good for man nor beast...
what about the legal side?
what logical person would listen to those who have no hands on experience, without varifying the facts for themselves.In this day and age more weight is given to simulations and research than is given to hands on experience, that is simply madness!
i suggest you read up on the efficacy of self reported evaluations of whether a treatment is working.
I suggest you look at why we stopped doing it [ it is unreliable to the point of worthless being the main one.
For example the placebo effect is more powerful if you inject someone than if they just take a pill...should we trust the opinion even when we know we are giving them nothing?
Anywone who gives a quick glance at subjective reporting will see why it is relatively worthless.
In medicine, given the placebo effect, this is exacerbated.
Some people will swear by homoeopathy or spiritual healing or exorcism as a cure for their ails. I suppose we give them all equal weight as they did it and ignore the objective research that says these ideas are bunkum....yes anything else would indeed be illogical and madness in these days and ages of enlightenment.
is weed actually weed these days ?(as in good ol fashion green stuff with seeds) isn't it all skunk which is rocket juice and cant be good for man nor beast...
It just means you need less of it for the same effect.
No one can responsibly offer medical advice to your Mum without a proper consultation and understanding of her medical history. How do the people offering advice about treatment know whether she has conditions that might make their advice ineffectual or even dangerous? See a professional.
(this is not a hypothetical issue by the way - I've seen someone on here blithely accept a recommendation to dose their toddler with a drug which the manufacturer advised should not be used for under twos because of the risk of death)
Not all pain management treatments involve drugs, so it might be worth finding out if other approaches are available for your Mum, if she is not satisfied with her current regime (e.g. Psychological therapies).
Whatever you do, get qualified advice from someone who has actually seen the patient.
Jesus, stoners talking 'bout weed; nothing duller...
Well done TJ and DrP. Agree with your posts.
Its amazing the shit that gets passed around the stoner world.
As a medic I agree that cannabis has no analgesic properties, but that is not to say that it is not useful in palliative medicine.
I don't recommend the OP get his mum stoned - I don't think its the answer to her problems.
Jesus, stoners talking 'bout weed; nothing duller...
What tyre threads are way duller
My brother self administers cannabis. He suffers from crohns disease. He says there isnt much else that deals with the pain he gets. I was going to ask him to repsond in person, but apparently "its missions".
skafan- yes - bowelspasm type pains its good for - as its an antispasmodic
As I sit here my mum is flinching in pain. It would be nice if she could have a cup of herbal tea to take the pain away or anything for that matter.
She will be fine, just don't get her too stoned the first time, it might put her off altogether. Also be prepared to see her laughing uncontrollably at the slightest amusing thing 😉
Zippy
Get proper medical treatment. there is no reason at al she should be in pain. Modern pain management is very good indeed with a whole range of treatents available. Its often trial and error to get it right. Go with there to the docs if she is unwilling to make a fuss. To often I have seen older women downplay the amount of pain they are in and get inadequate relief as a result
unfitgeezer - Memberis weed actually weed these days ?(as in good ol fashion green stuff with seeds) isn't it all skunk which is rocket juice and cant be good for man nor beast...
Nah, not at all.
FM medication information
http://www.ukfibromyalgia.com/treatments/medication.html
So you may be given one OR a combination of:Painkillers to help with pain
Anti depressants to help with depression and sleep
Muscle relaxants and sleep medicines to help you sleep
Novel medications to help with pain and sleep (developed as anti-epileptics)
The good thing about weed is it treats all of the above, it lifts mood, relieves pain, relaxes muscles, and helps you sleep.
The side effects from the drugs they list for these symptoms are a hell of a lot worse than smoking weed, hence the self medication.
My step sister is fairly clued up on her medical stuff being an raf medic (wing commander). So im pretty sure my mum is getting what is available. Just wondering if anything alternative will help.
My dad had chronic back pain for the last 15 years of his life. He spent years going to the doctors, many different kinds. When they couldn't help he saw physios, accupuncturists, homeopath medicine people, chinese herbalists, all sorts. None of it helped. He really wanted each treatment to do the job. He was desperate.
When we suggesting cannabis he was dead set against it. Very anti-drug. But we eventually convinced him to try it. That took a couple of months.
We made him a spliff.....Did the job. Very quickly too. Relief within minutes. He kept it for the bad days only but seeing his face relax was tear jerking.
I don't care if it was a placebo, muscle relaxant or whatever. It provided an almost instant relief from chronic, debilitating problem that was otherwise driving him insane.
zippy - I wouldn't bet on it. Certainly worth getting a referal. If she was on the right / best drugs she would not be in pain
TJ - There is not a drug on the market that will stop the pain of FM, I can guarantee you that. Even the licensed FM drugs don't stop it.
If you are interested Zippykona, here is what I have been going through for getting on a year.
http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/post-viral-fatigue
I'm sure your mum can relate.
🙄
Flow how much have you really looked into FM?
Do you actually know what it means?
You will be disappointed when you find out.
😀
TJ - I know you like to always think you know best but for the past 9 months I have been suffering from CFS (very similar to FM). I would like to think I know what I'm on about after spending way too long researching the conditions.
I am giving advice as a "patient" and a self mediator of the MJ, thats who zippykona wants to hear from surely? Not someone who thinks they know, no offence.
CFS and FM are heritary! Wow!
I'm out of here now. Good luck.
Hugor - what the hell are you on about?
FM and CFS are fictitious. At best they are psychiatric diagnoses.
Ok, go on [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/post-viral-fatigue ]this thread[/url] and tell everyone they are making it up 😆
Sativex has not yet been assessed by NICE (the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence) but is being included in the review of Clinical Guideline 8, "Multiple sclerosis: management of multiple sclerosis in primary and secondary care". A decision is expected in 2014.
Until then, funding decisions are made locally by the relevant NHS authorities according to local priorities and budgets. This means that funding is not always available.
Good night!
Flow wheras Hugor, crikey, me, DrP are all trained medical professionals.
Mr Overshoot - I think it will prove very useful inMS
Flow - cannabis for CFS - 😆 🙄
TJ no offence but I have dealt with my fair share of "medical professionals" in the past 9 months and I can safely say that means nothing.
Being told what something is like at medical school is nothing like going through it yourself. Most general practitioners have very little knowledge about CFS/ME/FMS.
I'm glad you find it amusing, I don't.
I hope you don't ever have to find out what its like.
I have lived with "cfs" for all my adult life with exacerbation and remission. I believe I probably actually have lyme but its not clear at all and by no means definite that there is actually anything "wrong" with me.
I think here are many things all lumped together under these labels, that there is a huge psychological component and that for a large number of people with "CFS" there is no physical component at all ie its all psychological.
Using cannabis to self medicate for "CFS" is crazy. Were you using cannabis befoer you developed it? the first thing I would suggest is you stop.
I stopped reading and commenting on that CFS thread due to the nonsense you were writing on it.
TBH if you believe these are somatoforms as it seems many do, then surely practically anything can be an effective or ineffectual treatment? (I have no opinion on whether they are or not- not qualified to hold one)
Since we're talking personal experiences though- for me weed had no analgesic effects at all, in fact it was pretty unpredictable- sometimes increased pain awareness just from the mental state changes. But I still found it useful purely as a diversion from constant pain and general ****ed-offness. Not a physical benefit though.
I don't even remember you commenting on the thread TBH TJ, my bullshit filter must have been on.
Using cannabis to self medicate for "CFS" is crazy. Were you using cannabis befoer you developed it? the first thing I would suggest is you stop.
I started using it for CFS, why is that so "crazy"?
Like I said it lifts my mood, relives the aching, and helps me sleep, whats so "crazy" about that?
What were you using it for NW?
So you're a recent cannabis user - its common for recent cannabis users to be evangelical about it.
Cannabis will exacerbate your "CFS" symptoms. Thats why its crazy to use it.
It was clear from that "CFS" thread that you simply wanted somone to validate your "illness" and like on this thread you simply refused to listen to anything that you did not want to hear.
flow - MemberWhat were you using it for NW?
Recreation tbh. More distracting than watching a movie. But it was of no medicinal benefit.
So you think I just thought "I know, I will just start smoking weed" without researching it?
I think you will find there are a lot of people that use it for CFS.
It was clear from that "CFS" thread that you simply wanted somone to validate your "illness" and like on this thread you simply refused to listen to anything that you did not want to hear.
So because in the beginning I didn't know WTF was happening to me you came to that conclusion.
I listened to everyone in that thread that put forward any information. I would and still am willing to try anything to relieve the symptoms, why wouldn't I listen?
I don't see why you always come across the way you do, are you that rude and miserable in person?
So because in the beginning I didn't know WTF was happening to me you came to that conclusion.
No because I read what you wrote and noticed the way you rejected everything that you didn't want to hear.
I am sure loads of people think taking cannabis is good for CFS - loads of people use homeopathy.
I have no problem with you doing daft things to your own health but I have a huge issue with you giving bad advice on health related matters
Anyway - you clearly have no interest in listening to anyone whos view does not agree with yours. Obviously your reading on the internet trumps the decades of professional experience from a range of medical professionals and in my case my own personal experience of "CFS"
Yale University Press publication.
Worth a read, it details controlled trials using cannabis and the effects cannabinoids and THC have on various conditions and ailments.
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I think there is a section on CFS.
No because I read what you wrote and noticed the way you rejected everything that you didn't want to hear.
I didn't reject anything, I started the thread to get peoples opinions and listen to experiences.
I have no problem with you doing daft things to your own health but I have a huge issue with you giving bad advice on health related matters
I am sharing my experience, its not up to you to decide if I'm right or not.
Why is it bad advice exactly?
Do you think using prescription medications, some addictive, with hundreds of side effects is fine, but using MJ isn't?
Because its not legal in the UK?
Edit: I read the NICE guidelines, about 8 months ago.
YOu rejected loads of things on that thread - anything that you didn't want to hear
If you give bad advice on health matters I am going to say so loudly and clearly