[Closed] Done for speeding last night..

I think you may have missed my point, by about 180 degrees.

I think you are clearly still missing my point.

Your clearly to smart for me then.

[b]mrmo - Member[/b]

Don't usually do this but far too many incorrect uses of "your" and then a "loose" in the last post.

[b]May i offer my humblest apologies for the lapse. I shall take leave from this discussion, withdraw to the drawing room and there, shoot myself. I do trust that such an action will be acceptable?[/b]

I not i.

F-me is this stil going on?

[i]a really poor driver.[/i]

Yep, I am an absolutely shit driver - I hate driving, so why would I think I'm any good at it? I'm safe (these days), but I'm impatient, irritable and easily wound up by other drivers. Shame I don't drive in STWland where everyone is so perfect.
Its surprising how many cyclists are such perfect motorists. Well, it should be surprising, but as wrightyson said, I've been on this forum long enough not to be surprised.

I didn't start the thread to whinge, as many dicks have suggested, I posted for a laugh, which is what I got, especially from the, oh so predictable, judgemental pricks.
So cheers all.

[i]I think you are clearly still missing my point.[/i]
That's rare eh?

*when I say "for a laugh", I don't mean it wasn't true.

Yep, I am an absolutely shit driver

This is a good first step - recognising your faults. However, having accepted this fact, you should probably just accept that public transport is a safer option for you, for everyone's sakes.

@singletrackmind:

I'm sorry to hear that, however after several months in hospital, nearly losing my leg, I can vouch that the car/human interface is best experienced behind the wheel!

20%??!! I admit that my speedo error is about 10%, but I can't see how I'd get 20.

@Dez. I can't see whats so funny about this. You wouldn't think drink driving is funny, but in a residential area going 10mph over the speed limit, you're playing with people's lives. I hope you now understand the strength of feeling there is against careless and inconsiderate driving. I cant see what's surprising about that.

It seems as if your attitude is at fault; maybe a speed awareness course will do you good. If, however you adjust your driving style as a result of the opinions expressed here, then that's a good thing. Just drive safely; barely anyone is in need of rushing/speeding. Getting to work on time, when you've been delayed isn't worth it; just accept you'll be let that day! Leave earlier next time.

going 10mph over the speed limit, you're playing with people's lives

the strength of feeling there is against careless and inconsiderate driving

PP: bull$hit! You'll kill someone at 40. I was lucky I got hit at 25mph. I would not have survived a faster impact.

You'll kill someone at 40

Only if you hit them, and not necessarily you won't, even then. See what I mean - Hysterical bullshit.

You chose -

A) Some one doing 30mph, not paying attention, mind on the kids in the back, playing with the satnav, on the phone

B) Somone doing 40 who's paying attention and on the ball

Who's more likely to have the accident?

PP, that's why there's a 30 limit!!!!!!

The two examples aren't like for like. One is driving without due care, the other is a speeder. By keeping speeds below the limit you mitigate some of the effects of an accident, regardless of cause. A 40 mph driver will have less time to react anyhow, regardless of how ' switched on' they think they are.

Judging from your arrogance, it'd be better it those speeders who choose not to undergo the awareness course, lose their licence.

Would keep a few cretins off the road 🙂

You chose -

A) Some one doing 30mph, not paying attention, mind on the kids in the back, playing with the satnav, on the phone

B) Somone doing 40 who's paying attention and on the ball

C) Someone doing 30 who's paying attention and on the ball

By all means play about outside of built-up areas where there's less chance of your actions affecting someone else, but it's 30 for a reason.

And I'm usually the first one to defend speeding on NSL roads using your points above.

PP, that's why there's a 30 limit!!!!!!

What? so people can drive how the hell they like, hit what they like, break whatever laws they like..... And as long as they stick to 30 that's fine with you, because you believe the bullshit?

Judging from your arrogance,

And you dare to call me arrogant? Phhhhhhhh

but it's 30 for a reason.

Yeah, we know, but that's not the point. 🙂

double post

Yep

I might not be the best driver out there, but if I reduce one risk factor by keeping to a speed limit, then I'm ahead of the driver at 40mph who thinks he knows what is going on.

What? so people can drive how the hell they like, hit what they like, break whatever laws they like..... And as long as they stick to 30 that's fine with you, because you believe the bullshit?

Yep

I rest my case.

EDIT from your edit

then I'm ahead of the driver at 40mph who thinks he knows what is going on.

You really are showing how little you really know now, how much you've been suckered in by the 'statistics' and how blinkered most people are.

I'll ask again, you know you could improve, so will you go and do some extra training, please?

PP, I'm afraid you can't argue your point, evidence is against you. Goodbye!

Edit: in village/built up areas, people make their judgements to cross roads, reverse out of spaces etc, in the knowledge that traffic will have time to react. If some tool comes round the corner at 40 and finds a stationary car blocking the carriageway who has pulled out of a drive, he/she might have nowhere to go than the other lane causing a head on, for example.

You'll argue that the car pulling out is at fault, but there may have been plenty of space for a slower driver to stop. That kind of thing is ANOTHER reason for lowered limits.

Get over yourself.

...... Or stick your head in the sand and refuse to improve, in that case. 🙁

Hey, I'm happy to improve AND stick to the limit.

Why are YOU so special?!

In the ideal world, each driver would have their own speed limit, based on ability. So the nervous driver would be limited 20MPH, and driving gods like PP would be able to drive at 60MPH.
Until that happens we all stick to what the law (in all it's errors) has decided. Which is 30MPH.

I reiterate:

C) Someone doing 30 who's paying attention and on the ball

By all means play about outside of built-up areas where there's less chance of your actions affecting someone else, but it's 30 for a reason.

And I'm usually the first one to defend speeding on NSL roads using your points above.

In the ideal world, each driver would have their own speed limit, based on ability. So the nervous driver would be limited 20MPH, and driving gods like PP would be able to drive at 60MPH.

So where does that leave me as a humble pedestrian then? PP would run me over 🙁

Dez you claim to think you are a good driver then list a number of irrelevant factors impatience irritation other slower drivers etc that you allow to negatively impact on your driving. From your own post you lost control of your speed could not tell how fast you were going and failed to see a large glow in the dark object that a speeding driving god would perceive as a threat. Poor driver with delusions of skill or troll.

The obvious good safe driver has already been identified switched on alert and with the skill and experience to stay within the speed limit.

For me one of he most dangerous driving types are the constant speed merchants. I was stuck behind one yesterday - 40mph along the A road with a 60limit with a tail of frustrated drivers stuck behind him but then when we got to the village with a 30 limit he kept up the same 40mph dropping the rest of us. I'll admit I do tend to drive faster than advised at times when I feel its safe in open country but make a point of kerbing it when needed and always sticking within the 20/30/40 limits in built up areas.

So where does that leave me as a humble pedestrian then? PP would run me over

Because of the way that cars isolate their users from the outside world with their comfy seats, air conditioning etc. people seem to fail to realise that the object they are behind the wheel of is potentially a killing machine, and feel safe in their little metal box. This feeling of safety means that they're more prepared to take risks that have the potential to cause accidents. If driving was made much more obviously dangerous, then perhaps people would take more care?

I'm a firm beliver that cars should have a 6" steel spike coming out of the steering wheel rather than an air bag. People might be a lot better behaved on the roads if they will get impaled if the car stops suddenly. 😀

If speeding is so awfull, why do the police not prosecute evryone who actually has an accident ?
They will happily prosecute speeders all day long , but heaven forbid if you have a car / car interface , thats OK is it .
Big points for people who crash 'should' mean people drive abit more dilegently .

Some people who post about speeders must live in a 1950's bubble . Where everyone drives a Morris Oxford at 27mph and waves to Ms Marple as they trundle round .
Reality check . The majority of people break the speed limit everyday .

And I am the only person from here who can comment on Dez's driving , as i have been in a car with him . The rest is just conjecture and keyboard semantics .

ffs, some people come on here trying to show how smart they are. if they were actually as smart as they think they are, wouldn't they[i] read what I say [/i]and actually [i]understand[/i] it?

on this page, i'm referring to mikertroid and crankboy.

Pp you comments for me do not have value as people expect cars to be driven at around 30 in 30 zones. What makes you think you are such a great driver? You come across as the usual boorish male who likes driving fast. For myself i enjoy the challenge of riding to speed limits whilst making progress. Only really go over limits when overtaking in 60 zones.

Dan1980

Bit of a flawed argument there re safety and easily disproved by citing the number of motorcyclists who are prepared to speed with none of the protection you mention.

I don't believe it's a feeling of safety which contributes to drivers taking 'risks', in fact I don't believe many drivers would be properly able to evaluate a risk if it slapped them in the face. I believe it is the fact that modern cars are virtually armchairs on wheels, where exterior sensory input (other than visual) is a driver option and the basic operation of which requires little more than pointing and steering.

Some drivers will actually drive their car properly, taking account of the conditions and hazards and drive accordingly. The others primary concern is if the heating is at the right temp and the right tunes are playing.

If speeding is so awfull, why do the police not prosecute evryone who actually has an accident ?
They will happily prosecute speeders all day long , but heaven forbid if you have a car / car interface , thats OK is it .

It's down to cost effectiveness. Speed camera prosecutions are almost automatic. Very little police or court time involved as most people plead guilty. If every speeder plead NG the system would grind to a halt within 3 months.

As for speed traps. That involves two cops taking perhaps 10-15 minutes per speeder. Doing a careless driver involved in an accident means far, far more time getting statements from the other driver and independent witnesses. Then when it reaches court (which is more likely because carelessness is more subjective) rather than two cops giving evidence using an hour of the court's time it might take a whole morning or a whole day. Too expensive. A simple speeding case is really cheap and easy to prove but most people plead guilty anyway.

I can't comment on everywhere but I worked in one city where there was an unwritten rule that it was usually a waste of time reporting non injury road accidents as a careless driving. The courts were too busy dealing with junkies, shoplifters, assaults etc. So the police report would just get marked "No Proceedings" by the Procurator Fiscal.

Obviously there were exceptions and really bad bits of driving would get taken to court. In general though more speeders (potentially dangerous) were dealt with (whether by Fixed penalty or through the court) than careless drivers where bad driving (actual danger) had caused an accident - or crash as it is called these days.

IMO the best way of dealing with bad driving, whether speeding or not, is more traffic cars. Drivers can't argue with on board video showing their driving. With cutbacks though most traffic depts are getting smaller not larger.

Seems to me the argumnet for speed awareness courses has been well and truly made by some of those posting on this thread....And staying within the speed limit is easy-if you're finding it difficult then perhaps you need more training....?

An average family car travelling at 35mph will need an extra 21 feet to stop than one travelling at 30mph.
It is not safer to drive faster at night. Casualty rates are double that during daylight hours due to higher speeds because of less traffic, higher alcohol consumption, tiredness and darkness.
If you hit a cyclist or pedestrian at 35mph rather than 30mph, the force of the impact increases by more than a third.
Traffic is the biggest single killer of 12-16 year olds. In 2002, 35 teenagers aged 12-15 were killed as pedestrians on the roads and statistics show that they are twice as likely to be knocked down as toddlers.
Motorcyclists represent 1% of traffic but suffer 19% of deaths and serious injuries.
Pedestrians represent 13% of all road casualties and 23% of all road deaths. 40% who are struck at speeds below 20 mph sustain serious injuries, but this rises to 90% at speeds up to 30 mph.
A change in the mean speed of traffic will affect collision risk and each reduction in mean speed of 1mph will reduce collision frequency by about 5%
Seven out of 10 drivers admit to regularly breaking the 30mph speed limit.
Around two thirds of all accidents in which people are killed or seriously injured happen on roads where the speed limit is 40mph or less.
If a driver hits a pedestrian at 20 mph, the pedestrian has a 95% chance of survival. At 30 mph the survival chance is 80% and if a driver hits a pedestrian at 40 mph, the pedestrian's survival chances fall to just 10%
In 2003, 37,215 people were killed or seriously injured in road traffic collisions in Great Britain, of which 4,100 were children under 15 years of age.

Source: Department for Transport - Think website - www.thinkroadsafety.gov.uk

Excess speed (above the speed limit) is a frequent contributory factor, but inappropriate speed (too fast for the local road conditions) is just as important. Tackling the issue of excess speed is only part of the problem. Fatigue, lack of attention (driving whilst using a mobile ‘phone, poor driving conditions, adverse weather conditions and failure to wear seats belts all play their part in keeping the annual casualty figures at an unacceptably high level and a wide range of agencies are working to address those issues.
If you hit a cyclist or pedestrian at 35mph rather than 30mph, the force of the impact increases by more than a third.
Injury frequency also rises disproportionately with speed. At 30 mph a belted front seat passenger is 3 times more likely to suffer serious injury on impact than at 20 mph. At 40 mph the likelihood is 5 times greater.
Every driver can make a difference just by slowing down a few miles per hour and observing speed limits.
Safety cameras are not of use where the problem is one of inappropriate speed rather than speed in excess of the limit.

I got two speeding fines within a week, both on roads i don't use often and quite late at night with little traffic on them, 34 in a 30 and 46 in a 40, shi! happens. 😀
What sticks in my claw though is the police did sweet f.a when i was run over when out on my bike by a hit and run driver. 👿
P.s. hit and run happened within half a mile of a speed camera.

Dez,

I clearly aren't as smart as you as you've totally lost me; I haven't been playing the 'smarter than thou' game. Merely my view is that speeding is unacceptable, and personally I don't find it a laughing matter.

Get yourself on a course, I'm sure you'll benefit from it 🙂

Ah, glad I've got a chance to reply to you mikertroid.
So, I post a clearly pissed off message about a speeding ticket and you make the assumption that I find [i]speeding[/i] a laughing matter?
Have another read mate, it's not speeding that's funny it's YOU. (ie. Singletrackworld)

In case I still have to ****ing spell it out to you. I posted to get a laugh out of the people on this forum, not out of the fact that I had to pay a £60 fine and get 3 points on my license.

I really can't believe I had to explain that.

That'll be the De(Z)fence. 🙂

🙄

Ha ha ha ha! Maybe the next person caught drink driving could post here so we could all have a right royal laugh too.

Ain't STW brill? 😆

You really have trouble with comprehension don't you? WTF has drink driving got to do with it? Don't bother answering.

DezB - this thread has probably been a worse punishment than the speed awareness course - it's certainly lasted longer 😉

Dez, seriously, if you have the chance to do the Speed Awareness Course, then give it a go.

Go to a car insurance quote website, and get quotes for your current situation, one set with the SP30, one without. If there's no financial difference, then maybe the course isn't for you. Also, bear in mind that there may be problems renting cars abroad with points on your license (this could be an urban myth though) so if you're likely to need to do this over the next three years, then again, the course might be a good idea.

As for getting the points in the first place, as Effin would say, oh whell. Suck it up. Many of us have been there...been caught twice myself over the years and taken the course each time...just felt better with a clean license and the cost was the same anyway. No condemnation from me but at the same time, no sympathy either. 🙂

glitchy bump

I have sucked it up mate. Paid and took license in the same day I started this thread.
All this judgement about my attitude and way I drive just from one speeding ticket in 30 years is pretty pathetic really. (Although some of it has made me laugh.)
(Apart from he bits where people just don't [i]get it[/i])

Speeding is both big and clever. And it is a well documented fact that anyone who disagrees is a paedophile.

I don't think anyone can really come back against an intelligent argument like that!

pretty pathetic really

Well done, you've just described speeding in a built-up area

which all of us have done at some point

Zokes, show me a driver who [i]hasn't[/i] speeded in a built-up area and I'll show you a liar.