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Whatever.
Shouldn't Dom Cum be plotting and scheming rather than posting on here under a pseudonym trying vainly to nudge STW opinion? He needs to put the overtime in following his two week holiday in the North East surely?
Daily Mail in playing the populist game better than the PM shocker!
exsee, your posts are tiresome.
The "we know better attitude" reminds me of Rees Mogg's obhorrent comments about Grenfell.
actually tomorrows papers are a riot
That guidance linked above repeatedly uses the word "must" where a person is symptomatic or living with someone symptomatic.
Perhaps it's a cognitive defecit on my part but that sounds like an absolute to me rather than a suggestion?
This is a pretty damning statement from one of the behavioural scientists advising the government on how people will respond to the lockdown measures:
Prof Stephen Reicher, of St Andrews University, tweeted: “I can say that in a few short minutes tonight, Boris Johnson has trashed all the advice we have given on how to build trust and secure adherence to the measures necessary to control Covid-19.
“Be open and honest, we said. Trashed. Respect the public, we said. Trashed. Ensure equity, so everyone is treated the same, we said. Trashed. Be consistent we said. Trashed. Make clear ‘we are all in it together’. Trashed.
“It is very hard to provide scientific advice to a government which doesn’t want to listen to science. I hope, however, that the public will read our papers … and continue to make up for this bad government with their own good sense.”
There is nothing in the non-exhaustive list of reasonable excuses (for not staying at home) that makes any provision for people to leave their homes (let alone drive 250 miles) to find the best childcare arrangements. What is more, at least one person in the car was certainly infected meaning that The Coronavirus Act comes into play which imposes further restrictions.
This was not a life or death issue for their child. It's preposterous to claim that childcare could not have been secured in London for a man of Cummings' means and stature, especially with an in-law and assistant close by.
Sure it wouldn't have been ideal, but it's not ideal that people have missed saying goodbye to dying family either.
What certainly happened is that Cummings didn't fancy spending the next two weeks being shut up in his London house; a person such as himself has every right to run off to the more pleasant surroundings of his parents' property in Durham. He's special.
The childcare excuse might well be made up and guessing there will be more to come in the next few days. Important to remember they are frontline workers who potentially had to make a tricky decision regarding a 4 year old. I think we should be fair regardless of who's neck is on the chopping block.
If the daily mail brigade are unhappy then I'm not going to cry about that👍
My email to my MP who happens to be the Sec State for Wales and a total Tory sycophant:
Dear Mr S Hart,
Could you please provide me with your view on the latest situation with the Prime Minister’s special advisor?
In particular I’d like to know if you agree and defend the argument that his travels to Durham were within the rules of lockdown at the time.
My parents live in Northumberland and are both in their 70s. They had planned a party for their 50th wedding anniversary over the Easter holidays which they had to cancel. We obviously didn’t travel for 9 hours to see them. If I’d been ill with Covid would I have been within my rights to travel with my children to see them and stay with them for the sake of my children?
Do you think Dominic Cummings acted legally and with integrity?
Do you understand the anger across the country about this matter?
As my M.P. I would also request a personal answer from you rather than a cut and paste reply from a assistant.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Matt Lister
The MP I wrote to, Jason "No Show" McCartney has come out on Facebook after the PM's speech to say Cummings' position is untenable. Incredible.
exsee
Important to remember they are frontline workers
No they are not in any way shape or form and even if they were "stay at home" applies if anyone in the house is infected - everyone in the house must stay there
No room for interpretation.
Incredible to see the Daily Mail turning on them.
If there are any further revelations I think both of them are at risk.
If they did stop at a services I wonder f footage of the visit has been mysteriously deleted or NVR had a fault?
I don't think any further revelations are needed, every paper in the land is putting on their front page that Cummings has to go.
Lose the press, lose your voters.
Dunno. I have a real sense the knives are well and truly out. Big Tory hitters are saying very little and I suspect they are waiting to see what else comes out.
If the cops are involved then surely the ANPR will be the thing to catch him?
I think this is interesting.... https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/05/exclusive-dominic-cummings-parents-defend-their-son-he-faces-demands-resign
In addition, see the secret barrister's twitter feed and follow the sub-threads.
The moment is coming.
Mail turns on johnson; torygraph sycophancy; all other papers pissing all over johnson and cummings.
Mary Wakefield can't be feeling comfortable about her disingenuous article which strongly inferred she and cumshot were confined in London.
Wonder if/when Andrew Neil will comment in his capacity as chairman of the Spekkie's parent company.
I've linked the gov guidance tj, read it👍 plenty of scope for a bit of interpretation in there.
Ajantom, step away from the keyboard.
Frankconway, now you know how I feel👍
This is a pretty damning statement from one of the behavioural scientists advising the government on how people will respond to the lockdown measures:
at least 3 SAGE scientists have now said on twitter that this is damaging the ability of the government to keep the people onside during lockdown
that app is going to be taken up by no one
this is going to end up costing lives
Pondo, it has been argued by half the world for months that UK guidance isn’t clear at all. Now when it suits it’s clear and unequivocal.
Gov guidance
It is clear to me that it allows an element of common sense and interpretation which is what I have been doing and what I would encourage those who can to do. If you cannot see past staying at home for safety then do that but I won’t be and neither of us are in the wrong.
There is zero scope for interpretation - "if you display symptoms, stay at home". Which bit are you struggling with?
If they did stop at a services I wonder f footage of the visit has been mysteriously deleted or NVR had a fault?
In a 5L V8 Range Rover, it's pretty safe to assume that he's had to make a stop or two in his two (known) round trips to Durham and back... 🤷🏻♂️
If the cops are involved then surely the ANPR will be the thing to catch him?
I worry about how much the police will suddenly come under the influence of this current government... Under the Coronavirus bill, the government has pretty much carte blanche to do whatever they want right now, including taking charge of the police and making exemptions for those it sees fit.
Of course, the public shouldn't tolerate this, but the government can and will make it happen, should they need to!
I don’t think any further revelations are needed, every paper in the land is putting on their front page that Cummings has to go.
Lose the press, lose your voters.
I find it absolutely staggering that the Daily Fail has turned on them, but there you go... The only way that the conservative party can come out of this, and hold on to power in any way, shape or form right now, is if the rest of the cabinet and party get together, and agree to throw both Johnson & Cummings under the bus simultaneously! Some 350 odd politicians all exclaiming "but Boris & Dom made us act this way, they threatened us with our jobs" and pleading immunity...
Cos if Cummings goes, and Johnson doesn't... Dom ain't exactly the kind of guy to let that slide! He's a sycophant and control freak, and has desired nothing less than the total destruction of the UK government as we know it since he was a teenager! He could well do it, unless the Tory Party stand together against their "leader" and his handler...
@kimbers that's my concern. I just can't see how another lockdown as effective as this one can be carried off now.
Quote from Cummings' father in the New Statesman article (referring to journalists) seems to sum up the sense of entitlement:
“I just want you to understand how annoyed with you people we are,”
Trying to hint that Cummings drove from London to Durham because his favourite uncle had sadly died that weekend is really scraping the excuse barrel.
UK guidance has been woeful, sorry English advice has been woeful, however using this as a defence is a bit rich when the cockwomble responsible for the advice is the arsehole that wrote the advice...
Kuenssberg is out of hiding and she's on the brink of turning. Until now the rightwing press have been aiding and abetting the trumpian distraction from the thousands of deaths and incalculable suffering of their families at the altar of the Boris cult of personality. I reckon that ended today. The floodgates are going to open now. Today it's about Cummings' double standards and Boris' arrogant defence of him. Tomorrow it will be about the tens of thousands of dead that they've caused. They're both finished.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1264655266718593026?s=20
This is what happens when a genuinely intelligent man (though totally without morals) confronts his own and far more encompassing arrogance.
FloBo and Dom have seriously misread public opinion with this.
Wonderful in its way but also tragic for a country that is fighting the virus and watching what little government we have do anything, anything to retain power/protect its messiah.
Whatever the cost to the nation.
dannyh - as we can all now rely on the domcum defence is it not time to organise an STW ride where we all have to drive a long long way to the start and have multiple stops in villages along the way.
Could invite exsee and others who've been online irritants.
The MP I wrote to, Jason “No Show” McCartney has come out on Facebook after the PM’s speech to say Cummings’ position is untenable. Incredible.
My MP too and also wrote to him earlier (first time since he got re-elected). I didn’t expect such a sharpish response and expected he’d use the bank hol to see which way the wind blew.
Who is this nugget that keeps telling everyone to sshhhh and calm down? Is it Rees Mogg’s nanny?
Nah the nanny already has a steady job.
Just someone trying to be picked up on the 'big data' radar as some kind of 'influencer'.
It matters not.
Dannyh, We can agree to disagree but cut out the insults and goading it spoils the thread👍
They’re both finished.
I don’t want to start counting my chickens, but if they do go - I’m straight out, dancing in the street!
It's increasingly looking like they're a package deal. PM unambiguously coupled his fate to Cummings today.
dannyh – as we can all now rely on the domcum defence is it not time to organise an STW ride where we all have to drive a long long way to the start and have multiple stops in villages along the way.
Could invite exsee and others who’ve been online irritants.
No problem with that. I'm sure I can find the letters 'S,T,W,G,R,O,U,P,R,I,D,E,I,S,O,K' in some official guidance.
All welcome. The more the merrier. Big group photo at the top of the first climb?
"No, no, I can't get you all in. Closer, closer".
If Bojo goes, who is in charge? As Jeremy Hunt was R/up in the leadership contest does he take control or is it Drabb?
Dannyh, We can agree to disagree but cut out the insults and goading it spoils the thread
Does "shhhhhh mate" count as goading?
In my interpretation it does.
Happy to stop, though, and just pick you up on specifics in a dispassionate way. Ok?
Just someone trying to be picked up on the ‘big data’ radar as some kind of ‘influencer’.
Dude’s posting history suggests he/she enjoys the political sparring on here more than the mountain biking. Not a crime I know but not necessarily the position of a rounded person taking a principled stance on an emotive topic.
Dannyh, that's all I ask👍 in fact it is what the forum rules require😁
dominic cummings has now precipitated a 2nd reformation
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY0XohEXYAgM05R?format=jpg
The source from Barnard Castle has gone to the police directly. From the wording he used there are CCTV cameras that could prove the allegation.
What's the betting that the cameras are now found to have been 'malfunctioning' at the time?
Still, Cummings and Johnson will have to call this guy a liar openly at some point. I'm sure there won't be a shortage of crowdfunding to get him some good representation.
This ain't going away. Joris may well have just shackled himself to a train wreck.
Shame.
Off to bed now. Big day tomorrow...
it is what the forum rules require
Well that could be interpreted in a number of ways.....
You get the drift. 👍
And the frogs all celebrated when they got rid of King Log,
and then came King Stork....
Scuttler, you do realise you've just insulted most of the regulars 😁
What I said about CCTV in the services
ajantom
Subscriber
That sounds like something from Urotsukidoji: Legend of the Overfiend (any fans of dodgy 90s Manga/Anime will now what I mean)
just seen this
respect
The police have in the past always been leaning towards the Tory’s
That’s all changed since they started treating them like they’ve treated all the rest of the public sector.
Now an official complaint has been made, I’d imagine that the Durham police would be absolutely delighted to investigate it and see if Me Cummings whereabouts coincide with where he said he was.
All the chickens are coming home to roost
Poop, given the recent swearies not picked up by either the filter or mods I think you're safe.
A glaring one that slipped through recently was ****ishness; let's see if it gets picked up this time - and acted on; that is not an invite for any of the mods to use their ban hammer.
Did Dom ask for advice and Boris said yes go ahead drive to take your possibly infected child to your elder grandparents.
Could it be Manslaughter if the parents die?
As we all have been told ‘ don’t go to grandparents, don’t go and see mothers on Mother’s Day, don’t go and see dying parents.
On what day was Boris made aware of Dom travelling.
He doesn’t want to answer.
He does know.
Reason why I have never ever voted.
The upper class are above us and no matter what we say they don’t give a shit about are all better than us.
Dear god! This afternoon they’ve actually managed to elicit this response from Tory stalwart Isabella Oakeshott 😳
When your hardcore support are Tweeting stuff like this, you’re truly ****ed!
https://twitter.com/isabeloakeshott/status/1264673594761773056?s=21
Somebody made the point this afternoon that Boris/Cummings gave always pissed off selective groups... ‘lefty’s, remainers’ but this time they’re taking the puss out of everyone, regardless of political persuasion. I doubt a true blue, Home Counties lifelong Tory voter who couldn’t attend a family funeral is feeling much sympathy for Cummings ‘boo hoo, poor me” bollocks
It’s increasingly looking like they’re a package deal. PM unambiguously coupled his fate to Cummings today
100% they're fates are now inextricably tied.
I'm stilll gobsmacked by Boris's defence, how are they going to react to the inevitable swarms of people gathering at beaches and parks today
I’m stilll gobsmacked by Boris’s defence, how are they going to react to the inevitable swarms of people gathering at beaches and parks today
They'll clap for all the carers on Thursday just in advance of ICU starting to fill up again the following weekend as the second wave hits.
Clapping always helps. Much better than funding a working health service or managing a comprehensive lockdown...
My local MP is Simon Clarke, a BoJo fanboy. I've just sent him a letter outline how my family feel about this. I don't think in itself he'll even read it but I'm sure he'll get the message if his mail box is clogged with folk complaining about this for weeks.
I'm struggling to think of anything that has united such a broad mix of society. He's managed to piss off everyone, basically. It's a rare feat and I can't really remember the last politician to manage it so quickly.
No idea why I’m posting this on an Internet forum but just this second I have no other outlet for my rage. My dad died from cancer in February and his funeral was planned for March. We delayed it until we could get the crematorium he wanted and the ideal venue for the wake. But then Coronavirus reared its head. Following the guidelines meant we told the 120+ likely attendees to stay away from his funeral, including pretty much all family; in the end we had only a handful attend who insisted. I’d have liked to have stayed at home with my mum the night before the funeral to help her; but I didn’t because that wouldn’t have been within the spirit of the guidelines. I’d have liked to have driven to the crematorium with my mum; but I didn’t, again because of the guidelines. Throughout the service I sat 2 metres away from my grieving mum who was saying goodbye to her lifelong companion and in spite of my instincts I didn’t give her a hug because that’s what the guidelines said. I wasn’t even allowed to touch the coffin to say my own goodbye to my dad before cremation because the guidelines for crematoriums said so. The service was 45 minutes long and that was it. Done. Finished. I’ve not seen my mum since, despite the fact she lives 20 minutes away. She still hasn’t met her 6 week old grand daughter. And I did the above willingly as it was what the Government asked of us in the wider interests of not just me and my family but everyone else in this country. And many, many people will have endured far more and will continue to do so, no doubt. So, Boris, your defence of an advisor feels like a stab in the back to the nation. So * off. And when you’ve **ed off, * off some more you utterly contemptible * of a man. You disgust me. You just lost any modicum of moral authority to tell any of us what to do. You treat us like we are idiots. Tomorrow I’ll visit my mum and I will hug her. I’ll now do what the **** I like for the good of my family.
I’m stilll gobsmacked by Boris’s defence
If he sacks Cummings, the very next questions are; "When did you know"? and "Did you authorise it"?
Johnson is v stupid, but he's not so stupid he can't work out his own future...
Sorry for your loss Alpha1653, and the way a usually shitty situation was made worse for you and your mum. Very eloquent though, you should write that as a letter and send it to Joris.
No point in me writing to my labour MP, so I might send this **** of a PM a message, theoretically he works for me too.
This is about Johnson's judgement now..not Cummings.
It's also about the medics/scientists on SAGE and whether or not they can continue to work with politicians who so bluntly trample on their advice.
Current defence for Mr Cummings goes to town seems to be - you could drive for exercise.
12th April - Mr Cummings goes to Barney
16th April - Police receive updated guidance saying it is alright to drive for exercise
Wouldn't it be fun if our Dom had awareness of the change a few days in advance and used privileged information. Or even more fun pushed for it. I seem to recall there being quite a lot on the local and national news about people being turned back from the Lake District. There was also that Derbyshire Police drone footage.
Ultimately we seem to have a man who believes in elites behaving like the rules don't really apply to him.
There is something very familiar about exsees' writing/trolling style!
It's Bank Holiday so the effect of DC's idiotic behaviour will be very apparent today, with the results only too clear in a week or 2 with a jump in cases. He won't care of course.
Total conspiracy theory, but could this be his own private way of seeding herd immunity to the nation?
The saddest thing about this is that many folks' reactions will be to take a second look at "the rules" and think, nah... I'll just do what I want now. An understandable protest reaction as it's not like you can actually do anything about Johnson and Cummings behaviour.
Sadly, these folks will just end up hurting themselves and the people who live around them. Like a riot trashing your own neighbourhood.
Sorry if it's up there ^ somewhere but regardless of CCTV, the police can trace location(s) via triangulating mobile signals n'est ces pas? There's been a credible complaint so they *have* to investigate it no?
ICU doctor threatening to resign if Cummings doesn’t go....
@Willard quite possibly and very much in line what the guy from Spike was saying on the news last night. I think DC goes much further than 'herd immunity' as his 'politics' are well documented.
Sorry if it’s up there ^ somewhere but regardless of CCTV, the police can trace location(s) via triangulating mobile signals n’est ces pas? There’s been a credible complaint so they *have* to investigate it no?
This and it would be great if he got shafted in the end with Data
The retired chemistry teacher seems credible but wonder if he has any idea of the shitstorm awating him in the coming weeks! Barney is quite a small place and a former pupil has already spoken and says he "wouldn't have a lie in him". For someone like that to put his head above the parapet in this way is interesting to say the least!
Aye, regardless of guidelines and any subsequent fudging of 'what any parent would do', the law on lockdown is really clear. If DC was not compliant with the law (i.e. outside for one of the 4 stated reasons) he's in breach of the law. In that case, the Police have a duty to act no?
5 or 6 Boris is also one for following his instincts, ask his exes, his putative kids, Darius Guppy and any Oxford street sleeper.
I dropped my (Tory) MP a letter yesterday to ascertain whether Cummings in No 10 can rely on her support. I also explained that we've had to cancel weekly trips to parents of 86 and 96, furlough their care workers and that with 3 kids working for the NHS we are very aware of the need for lockdown. I'm not holding my breath for a response, could be my last gasp.
The saddest thing about this is that many folks’ reactions will be to take a second look at “the rules” and think, nah… I’ll just do what I want now
Most people seem to be so outraged they are doubling down on staying within the rules. Any idiots using this as an excuse to break them would have broken them anyway.
There seems to be a group of people on here determined to see a collapse of lockdown and all it entails that I don't see on other social media pages
“No, no, I can’t get you all in. Closer, closer“.
🤣
His kid is autistic.
Which puts a rather different slant on the ability to palm off a nipper at short notice to the neighbours.
@Alpha1653 - I’m hugely sorry for your situation but:
The saddest thing about this is that many folks’ reactions will be to take a second look at “the rules” and think, nah… I’ll just do what I want now. An understandable protest reaction as it’s not like you can actually do anything about Johnson and Cummings behaviour.
Sadly, these folks will just end up hurting themselves and the people who live around them. Like a riot trashing your own neighbourhood.
Please listen to this and think of your mum, you’ve lost enough. Don’t lower yourself to the actions of someone so contemptible.
I do rather like the irony of Johnson commending Cummings for being a responsible parent. How the eff would Johnson know? Never taken parental responsibility in his life
Sorry for your loss Alpha1653. I have had to experience something similar so your comments were a tough read. Hope you and your family are OK.
There seems to be a group of people on here determined to see a collapse of lockdown and all it entails that I don’t see on other social media pages
‘Cos they are fing angry?
I’ve been on my own since lockdown. I live alone. I’ve barely spoken to another human being face to face until the other week. Social interaction has been limited to online calls. There have been times I’ve had to go & have a word with myself so I don’t go off the rails. I’m not kidding when I say the white noise that comes with loneliness has reminded me of what it’s like to be interrogated. Yes, I’ve been interrogated (for real - not a nice chat with the law BTW & certainly no tea or biscuits) & no I’m not going to tell you lot about it.
So, yeah, I can’t blame folks for being p1ssed & thinking F the law! I know I fing am!
‘Cos they are fing angry?
Would you excuse Cummings if he told you he was angry and fed up with lockdown then?
His kid is autistic.
Is there any evidence to support this claim other than it swirling wildly on social media?
Would you excuse Cummings if he told you he was angry and fed up with lockdown then?
Of course I fing wouldn’t - but I completely understand those who’ve sacrificed a huge amount & now think “F it.... why bother?”
It isn’t the right thing to do & I certainly wouldn’t do it myself, but I understand where they are coming from..
Alpha - sympathy extended.
exsee - there have been at least three people on here alone, apologies if I missed anyone, who have been managing to observe the lockdown in far harder circumstances than Cummings. Please stop being so offensive.
However as I said previously, I refuse to be weighted down by this.
My father always loved a good pun headline. My nine year old just suggested...
“Dominic Goings”
My father would have approved. My mother not so much I suspect.