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Fancy that..... I get that desperate times need desperate measures, but if it walks like a duck etc.....
BBC News - Government acted unlawfully over firm's £560,000 contract
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57413115
His failure to provide any actual evidence just makes the whole thing look like sour grapes, and is only going to contribute to the perception of him as being a liar. Unfortunately its probably only going to strenghten the position of the people he was criticising.
Unfortunately its probably only going to strenghten the position of the people he was criticising.
And he's such a scheming, untrustworthy, machiavellian shit that you are always left wondering whether that might have been (at least partly) the point.
Vladislav Surkov would be proud.
Government acted unlawfully over firm’s £560,000 contract
Ah... Gove... Gove... Gove...
I'm still not sure who's the bigger liar but not even Cummings would fake stuff that could easily be proven false would he?
Where does Boris go next?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57498845
Where does Boris go next?
A discrete little hotel in the Cotswolds with that Russian violinist?
Hell hath no fury like a lover scorned.
His failure to provide any actual evidence just makes the whole thing look like sour grapes, and is only going to contribute to the perception of him as being a liar. Unfortunately its probably only going to strenghten the position of the people he was criticising.
I think he's playing it quite well, he's let them dig a bigger hole for themselves and dropped some hand grenades in.
Drip feeding is the only way you'll damage them.If at all.
Yup, wait for denials and lies to be formed as a defence, and then undermine them one by one.
Can't see anybody caring that Johnson called Hancock ****ing useless in regards to the testing rollout that he was ****ing useless at.
I think he’s playing it quite well, he’s let them dig a bigger hole for themselves and dropped some hand grenades in.
Yes, I thought that too. Give them the chance to proveably lie in parliment etc.
Can’t see anybody caring that Johnson called Hancock * useless in regards to the testing rollout that he was * useless at.
You’d hope that any journalist worth their salt’s next question would be;
“You knew he was useless, you had the ability to get someone else in post, but you failed to do so. How many deaths do you attribute to your failure to act?”
I don’t know how to feel about this - Boris saying something true wasn’t on my radar.
Misread that first time....
LOL'ed second time.
It also makes Hancock unsackable for the time being at least....... which is a particular circle of hell for everyone.
I like the fact that Hancock ignored 3 calls from Johnson
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1405119214197919747
Just remniding hom whos the boss
I think he’s playing it quite well, he’s let them dig a bigger hole for themselves and dropped some hand grenades in.
Drip feeding is the only way you’ll damage them.If at all.
The thing is, he can't replace the government.
But he is, effectively, replacing the opposition. Starmer becomes less relevent by the day.
And, ironically, BJ's position strengthens.
“You knew he was useless, you had the ability to get someone else in post, but you failed to do so. How many deaths do you attribute to your failure to act?”
"Blah, blah, wibble", go into hiding for a couple of days and let it blow over and the news will have moved onto something else.
I don’t know how to feel about this – Boris saying something true wasn’t on my radar.
Not entirely sure how "Hancock is ****ing hopeless" registers as news really.
Next week, Cummings reveals what bears do in woods
But the PM's official spokesman insisted Mr Johnson has full confidence in the health secretary.
Thats the death knell right there. Soon as this phrase gets used its a sure sign whomever it concerns is getting dumped.
Cummings is 49. I don't really know much of his background - does he need to work again?
Who is ever going to employ him? What do you do for the rest of your useful years if you are Cummings. Anyone vaguely centre or left of centre will never employ him as he is a turd. Anyone to the right will not employ him because he's called all their wet dream fumblings a bunch of turds. And he's a backstabbing snark who has done the very definition of curling one down on the bosses desk as he left the building in the most public of ways. Who'd employ that?
He not very interesting to listen to, he can't stroke kittens, I don't see him dancing on ice - what's left?
I don’t really know much of his background – does he need to work again?
He is married into the aristocracy odd as that might be to believe for someone who loved railing against the elites and his family aint exactly poor either.
I lurk on a very long running twitter thread with 30odd Ayn Rand, Brexit & Tory worshiping forex traders & armchair economists, they are currently in love with GB news
Cummings was their idol- a genius who understands how dangerous the EU elite bureaucrts are etc , now they tweet that he should have an 'accident' if he releases any more Johnson whatsapps
now they tweet that he should have an ‘accident’ if he releases any more Johnson whatsapps
I am not overly opposed to that idea so long as he releases everything first or his estate does on his behalf.
“Blah, blah, wibble”, go into hiding for a couple of days and let it blow over and the news will have moved onto something else.
This. Maybe have a word with the chums in the media to do a story about illegal immigrants or something, to keep the pillocks happy in the interim.
Hancock won't go anywhere unless pushed. Remember this lot left self respect at the door when they chose to use a palpably stupid political act to advance their own careers, which would have, rightly, faded into obscurity if it wasn't for the collective stupidity of the audience.
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There's not a minister that hasn't broken the ministerial code, let alone Johnson himself
The culture wars Cummings help create mean that they're competence as a government is largely irrelevant
And, ironically, BJ’s position strengthens.
Dunno, the Brexit shield of invulnerability seems to be holding but I don’t think ‘his’ positions getting stronger.
He’ll hang in and skip off into the sunset with no 10’s silver cutlery one day.
Seems the price of Brexit was far greater than anyone originally expected in the real life & death terms
Hancock won’t go anywhere unless pushed. Remember this lot left self respect at the door when they chose to use a palpably stupid political act to advance their own careers
I think it’s worse they didn’t leave self respect, they wrestled control and are doing whatever they like.
I'm afraid that Newsthump have absolutely nailed it
That Newsthump link is spot on. Too many thickos about.
It Trump is still alive in 3 years time he may find Cummings and his 'ways' useful to him for his next campaign.
Who is ever going to employ him?
Trump, Putin, Bolsonaro, Erdogan, Al Assad...
Some of those prospective employers might be a little more prone to causing 'accidents' than Boris*, if he doesn't toe the line.
* well, the Team Leave money guys, I guess.
Who is ever going to employ him?
Many many publishers. He can make more money on the media circuit than he has as an adviser.
I think the Daily Star sums it up
BBC News - Newspaper headlines: 'Nuclear Dom' and return of holidays for vaccinated
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-57506466
Trump, Putin, Bolsonaro, Erdogan, Al Assad…
Labour 🙂
Can’t wait to see exactly what you have to do to be thrown out of this government tbh 🙂
Can’t wait to see exactly what you have to do to be thrown out of this government tbh
Disagreeing with the glorious leaders seems to be the main one especially if you announce it to the press that he is breaking his word on something.
Can’t wait to see exactly what you have to do to be thrown out of this government tbh
Well, 120,000+ dead barely merits a shrug of acknowledgment so god only knows.
Reading what Cummings has just published it just seems to confirm what you’ve suspected all along:
that this present cabinet is stuffed with total incompetents who would have been our their depth on a wet pavement, and who’s only priority seems to dodging responsibility, covering their arses and sorting out nice big juicy contracts for their mates
Can’t wait to see exactly what you have to do to be thrown out of this government tbh
Say something disparaging about Glorious Brexit and you'd be out on your ear in five seconds flat.
Embezzle billions and give it to your mates whilst letting covid mortality be +50%(?) of a 'sensible*', 'balanced*' level.... no worries.
*Difficult notion to put across without sounding crass, but there is a balance to be struck. Johnson and his rabble have just managed to strike the wrong balances at the wrong time - all the time. Always too late.
You only have to remember that Dominic Raab ended up deputising as prime minister when Johnston was in hospital, and he got the job entirely because he was an enthusiastic liar about brexit,That's it, his only qualification, took him instantly from back-bench mediocrity/endless reshuffle crab/that guy that voted down the brexit deal he helped negotiate, to being in charge of a G8 nation.
A discrete little hotel in the Cotswolds with that Russian violinist?
Hell hath no fury like a lover scorned.
Too much sex and violins?
Seems the price of Brexit was far greater than anyone originally expected
Project fear.
Too much sex and violins?
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hes a dog with a bone
He's a scheming shit.
But, for now, his actions align with my interests. So he is my bezzy.
The second he runs out of anti-government ammo, though, I will turn on him.
It's what he would want anyway. It is his entire MO.
I won't be watching his egomassaging interview tomorrow
But I will be chuckling at the WhatsApp he's going to release
I won’t be watching his egomassaging interview tomorrow
I am sure Kuenssberg will try her best to interrogate him about how he managed to push his baseless claims into the media. I have no doubt he will look an utter fool about his jolly last year and how one journalist looked even more foolish by happily providing his immediate rebuttal statement anonymously.
lisa o'carroll (@lisaocarroll) Tweeted:
Few bombshells there @bbclaurak interview with Dominic Cummings just now https://t.co/hkUGp9oymx https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1417231824904937479?s=20
Any vetting of those screenshots? Given its well documented that Johnson is known as Alex{ander} to those close to him the use of "Boris Johnson" seems odd.
I am sure Kuenssberg will try her best to interrogate him about how he managed to push his baseless claims into the media.
She may well be, but unlike Boris, Cummings has the capability of not only answering the questions asked, but will also be able to do so without fear of recrimination.
I have no doubt he will look an utter fool about his jolly last year and how one journalist looked even more foolish by happily providing his immediate rebuttal statement anonymously.
Cummings doesn't care, and rightly so. His trip to Barnard Castle served a higher purpose for sure, I can suggest why he might have driven 250 miles to a town where GSK's primary research facility was with a suspected case of the virus, but... Well... I'm sure we're going to find out from the horses mouth soon enough, and I don't like to spoil the surprise!
Any vetting of those screenshots? Given its well documented that Johnson is known as Alex{ander} to those close to him the use of “Boris Johnson” seems odd.
Only to those acquaintances who are also ex-Etonian, so I understand... Cummings is a pleb as far as Boris is concerned, so doesn't seem at all far fetched.
He’s a scheming shit.
But, for now, his actions align with my interests. So he is my bezzy.
The second he runs out of anti-government ammo, though, I will turn on him.
It’s what he would want anyway. It is his entire MO.
Touche!
The enemy of my enemy is my friend though... At least until he has served his purpose, and becomes my enemy himself again!
Shall I summarise and save 4 pages here? Dom's let rip again. Boris denied all... Again, some here will get over excited and feel Boris will topple before the day is out, others will call Dom an attention seeker. The media frenzy will be... Half hearted. Boris will laugh and ignore it, story forgotten by Friday.
the Sun are running with paedo premiership player. Doms in the side bar. Though the Daily Fail are going with PM tried to kill the Queen.
Though the Daily Fail are going with PM tried to kill the Queen.
Not that I would lower myself to buying or even reading it, I am finding it quite gratifying just how the Daily Fail has turned its readership against Boris of late even if only primarily because its loyalty is to the Royal Family over and above everything else!
Shall I summarise and save 4 pages here? Dom’s let rip again. Boris denied all… Again, some here will get over excited and feel Boris will topple before the day is out, others will call Dom an attention seeker. The media frenzy will be… Half hearted. Boris will laugh and ignore it, story forgotten by Friday.
C'mon mate... Don't piss on our chips! Everyone knows you're right, no need to ruin the moment... 😉
She may well be
I was taking the piss. She reliably regurgitated all the lies he fed her as "a downing street source" so its going to be about as friendly an interview as you can get.
She's wringing the last drips out of her main source. Sideways move into a different reporting job on the way.
She reliably regurgitated all the lies he fed her as “a downing street source”
Arguably, that was her job. To tell the public what she was told by the government. It's not a journalistic role, she's just a reporter. Ultimately though, it's a slightly sad, slightly sordid little revenge drama, it's all a bit pathetic.
She’s wringing the last drips out of her main source. Sideways move into a different reporting job on the way.
I hear GB News have some vacancies...
Some of the stuff was new (though not surprising). With suporting text. We probably have to wait a bit to see how Johnsonites respond, so far it has been a bit limp.
It is depressing that we have a (recent ex) senior government advisor dropping bombshells and the papers and opposition are not bothered. This government has no one holding them to account
Surely there's a whole bumper pop up annual in this for Cummings, why's he giving freebee interviews?
It's a bizarre implosion for him, where does he go from here? Untrustworthy bitter snitch for hire?
"Johnson's a lying arsehole"
"Yeah, we know"
"Oh"
Dom is not after money, he is wealthy by Marriage. He likes to be a disruptor and thinks he is uber smart.
He is a disruptor but also a bit of a one trick pony (vote Leave get brexit done) he is observational but that's hardly difficult with our electorate and Boris.
He really believes that him and his cohort have the answers for a post brexit UK, his mistake was believing that the Tories would allow him to do stuff because he won brexit and an election, this misjudgement demonstrates his lack of understanding of the realities of the Tory party.
He remains a bit non plussed about why he wasn't allowed to just crack on.
where does he go from here?
Agreed. I've said it before in this thread but it become more relevant after every interview......not only is he not the person you'd want to employ in your corner as you'd fear the knife in the back but who would show to his after dinner speech circuit? Not the gammons because of his Marcus Brutus routine on their beloved Boris, and no one left of centre because Cummings is still an utter ****.
He may currently be excommunicated by virtually all political movements....
but he will be back.
I think he believes he's the reincarnation of Machiavelli.
He is not machivellian dont make that mistake, if anything he is the opposite- give him a bone (that he wants) and watch him go.
He struck a deal with the Tories to help deliver a general election which he thought would allow him to deploy his "schemes" and tear the heart out of the Civil Service/Central Gov etc. He was conned (suprise) and yet he still hung around.
I dont like the bloke (actually was in a meeting with him back in 2014) and he has *ed up my life considerably, but he is not Right Wing, not a Tory, not disloyal and not particularly greedy (in comparison to most) applying labels to that little *er is a bad idea and will get you into trouble.
He has Maoist/Anarchist traits but in many ways he is the opposite of a career politician as he views politics, referendums, elections simply as tools to help him disrupt.
The trouble is his pact with Boris was as close as he will ever get to deploying his schemes and he probably knows it.
nickc
Full MemberArguably, that was her job. To tell the public what she was told by the government. It’s not a journalistic role, she’s just a reporter.
She literally "reported" Cummungs version of his trip to Barnard Castle from a "source" which he's confirmed was him. And also repeated verifiably false claims from "sources" (Matt Hancock and Cummings) about the fake attack on Hancock's advisor.
She's the political editor not "just a reporter" but she's also effectively a government press agent.
I think he believes he’s the reincarnation of Machiavelli.
I read on quote on Twitter that neatly summed him up. "He's like a man who plays video games all day, who thinks he's talking to other people who play video games all day too"
I don't think he gives the slightest single shit about the consequences of what he did in the Leave campaign, outside of just wanting other people to realise that he's clever. Same with the campaign to get Johnson elected, and then coming clean about the fact that he "knew all along" Johnson is unfit for office...It's an interview I think he'll come to regret.
While I agree it doesn't make DC look delightful, I am very disappointed how Boris just ignores it and no one holds him to account about the allegations. Do people think DC is making it all up?
Do people think DC is making it all up?
Do people care?
Sadly, I think we're more or less at the point where Johnson could pop the entire cabinet into a nice castle somewhere, divide the country up into 13 tribunes and watch it all play out.
Sadly, I think we’re more or less at the point where Johnson could pop the entire cabinet into a nice castle somewhere, divide the country up into 13 tribunes and watch it all play out.
I think Alex was recently asking for suggestions on his levelling thing, have you thought of suggesting this 🙂
Do people think DC is making it all up?
But it would have been worse under labour,they did their best,no-one knew.
But it would have been worse under labour
See that boatload of immigrants the other day? Labour would have given them a 3 bed detached! Each!
Etc. Etc.
And the pillocks will buy the lie. Over and over and over again.
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don’t think he gives the slightest single shit about the consequences of what he did in the Leave campaign, outside of just wanting other people to realise that he’s clever. Same with the campaign to get Johnson elected, and then coming clean about the fact that he “knew all along” Johnson is unfit for office…It’s an interview I think he’ll come to regret
He certainly doesn’t give a shit about the consequences of what he did in the leave campaign, but arguably neither do a millions of people who voted leave. I think the whole NHS money thing on a bus, Turkish EU membership opening doors to refugees and terrorists etc. Was debunked as soon as it appeared; google isn’t difficult to use and was available to anyone to fact check such claims at that time. To focus on these things like LK did totally ignores the big issue of how and why we ended up with a referendum. It’s simply attacking the straw man to divert away from the actual issue. EU membership was essentially a Conservative party argument and hardly affected us plebs.
Simply put, he didn’t give a shit because he was merely doing a job he was employed to do by a cynical and greedy right wing. To do anything else would’ve lost him his job. To specifically blame him for all the shortcomings of Brexit (which is the leap some people seem to make) is like a bad workman blaming his tools for the shit job he’s done.
If anything it should prompt people to examine their own choices in recent times. We ALL knew Boris would be unfit for office, just as most Americans knew Trump was unfit for office, but the slow burn of Nationalist & Populist rhetoric enabled this. I’m sure we can all remember all of the anti-EU stories in the press (straight bananas etc.) the slow burn of such anti stories have a habit of sticking in peoples’ minds. What was surprising to me was how much of a surprise it was to many that the leave campaign won and weak politicians like the current crop emerged from the wreckage. It wasn’t a surprise it was an inevitability; to lay the blame on some bloke like Cummings is to totally ignore how we got here; it’s just lazy (ironically, predictably so).
Simply put, he didn’t give a shit because he was merely doing a job he was employed to do by a cynical and greedy right wing. To do anything else would’ve lost him his job
Nah you are letting him off lightly there. He was doing the job since he had a dream that he could use brexit to do his "reform" of government. He was using the tories as much as they were using him.
Fair enough.
Oddly, unless I’ve misunderstood him, he has previously talked some sense when on about the North & how politicians from all sides should reconsider their respective attitudes.
This taken from Wikipedia:
Cummings has frequently criticised what he sees as a London-centred political system that failed to countenance the UK's voting to leave the European Union.[115] He has expressed his dismay that many voters' concerns, particularly in Northern England and the Midlands, have been ignored by both the Conservatives and Labour and 'taken for granted'.[115] He criticised New Labour's attempt at re-balancing inherent structural deficiencies within the British economy following de-industrialisation with a system of tax credits.[115]
He essentially told Labour how they lost yet has been vilified for this by Labour (I suppose nobody likes to hear an uncomfortable truth). He basically told BJ how to tap into Labour’s “red wall”, which was, after all his job. That he did it whilst believing BJ wasn’t fit for office is neither here no there; again, he was merely doing what they paid him to do. I think this is why he often appears bemused by people like Laura Kuenssberg and her bizarre way of making a blatantly biased statement and then acting as though she’s just posed an insightful question.
he was merely doing what they paid him to do
I think characterizing Cummings as a 'paid for stooge. misses the point of the man entirely; he's a true believer. In so much as he desperately wants things to change. He's sees a dysfunctional system (I honestly think he regards "dysfunctional" as anything not designed by him) and wants to mend it, but that's all he can do. He sees a problem and throws effort at it to fix it, but I don't think he takes any notice of the collateral damage he creates because of that action. Hence his bewilderment at the reaction to Brexit. He sees the lies of Turkey joining the EU and the £350 million on the side of the bus as "means to an end" I don't think it all crossed his mind that because of these lies, the losing side would regard the outcome as illegitimate...He really (I think) doesn't get that at all. All he can do when faced with that is shrug, smirk and mumble.
Then next we see him "working very hard" (his words from the interview) to get Brexit done and we're in the Whip withdrawing, illegally shutting down parliament, phase that sees (eventually) May and Corbyn defeated and Johnson elevated, a man he knew all along (apparently) was completely unfit for the role, so now has to set about solving that issue (that he helped create)
The man is tactically a genius, his ability to solve immediate difficult issues is truly astonishing, only matched by his ability to only ever destroy utterly the thing without replacing it with something better. He's supposed to be (and thinks of himself) as this great strategic thinker, but has so far yet to build anything worthwhile.
Nah you are letting him off lightly there. He was doing the job since he had a dream that he could use brexit to do his “reform” of government. He was using the tories as much as they were using him.
Indeed. He's a very dangerous character. A devious shit with a messiah complex and convinced he is the reincarnation of Machiavelli. He gets off on his 'powers'.
If I had my way he'd be sitting in a dock on charges of treason for accepting foreign money from 'bad actors' to deliberately sabotage his own country.
Is everyone enjoying his brainfarts on twitter
Hes already admitted they signed the deal in bad faith & prioritised brexit over peace in NI
Brexit being a shitshow really has him rattled!
https://twitter.com/ExStrategist/status/1448184403088261120?t=zWbw_F8el5fdZmx9urYDPw&s=19
That's what I don't get. They were showing news footage the other day of the aftermath of the Omagh and other bombings, and MrsMC and I commented on how that kind of horror was a weekly occurrence, mainly in NI but also here on the mainland sometimes. I was in Manchester a day or two before the big bomb there, army recruitment officer was shot in Derby.
How can politicians who are my age not remember growing up watching that and think peace in NI was an acceptable thing to gamble?
They know full well what’s at stake, they just don’t care.
It’s just bad stuff that happens to other people, not them
Belfast might as well be on the other side of the planet as far as these ****s are concerned
As for Cummings… is their anything left that he passionately campaigned for that he hasn’t subsequently renounced?
He seems to have been very busy absolving himself of any responsibility for anything
They know full well what’s at stake, they just don’t care.
Yep. Just like when they drive past a food bank, walk past a homeless person, happily reduce benefits and so on and so on. All things they could fix in the position they are in but they focus and prioritise anything else above it.