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He was lying in the statement he gave from number 10
If he lied about editing his blog, why would you believe anything else he said?
Truth only matters if you can't afford to be caught lying.
Cumstains is untouchable.
He sat there in that 'briefing', looked the nation in the eye, smirked, and told a pack of utterly pathetic (almost deliberately ridiculous) lies. For no other reason than he could.
He is protected from on high (higher than Joris) so he can deliver No Deal and turn the country over to venal profiteering.
Worth following this guy on twitter…
https://twitter.com/reicherstephen/status/1292049460185436160?s=21
And, seriously off topic, but… drool…
https://twitter.com/reicherstephen/status/1291439727007211522?s=21
Every time I see this thread on the front page I hope that the bellend had been sacked or has come to a sticky end.
Disappointed again
Every time I see this thread on the front page I hope that the bellend had been sacked or has come to a sticky end.
Disappointed again
Ha, my thoughts exactly.
And now yours again, I presume.....
I always regard wishing bad things to happen to other people is a line that I shouldn't cross in my own head - down that road lay dark places.
But I am really struggling not to in the case of Cumstains. I really do hate him for what he has done to this country.
I feel the same way as you danny.
Don't feel too bad about it. When ypu live in a democracy and there are figures that have more power and influence than our elected politicians it is only right that you should reserve for them a special place in hell. Same with Murdoch.
Cummings will last one second longer than Bovis.
Even with the organ on fire, the monkey will continue to dance until the grinder says stop.
As soon as we crash out with No Deal, Cumstains's job is done. His payout from the outsourcing firms will be enormous. He can then wander off into the sunset whenever he chooses. Maybe even a Russian sunset.
He will probably stay around to satisfy his ego (and a raging boner) by dismantling the Civil Service or such like, but after No Deal he is set for life, so he will feel free to do whatever he likes. The man is a dangerous nutter and yet 'we' elected his sock puppet Joris, so he is basically Prime Minister.
Wait til the working gammons realise the are going to get **** all paid holiday in future then we might see some lamppost action.
Wait til the working gammons realise the are going to get **** all paid holiday in future then we might see some lamppost action.
They'll be told to blame the EU/immigrants/muslims/shirkers etc and they'll believe it. Again.
Lamppost action maybe, but not where the blame really lies.
What is a gammon? I know gammon is a type of pork product but still don’t know what it means in these circumstances..
And, what is meant by lamp post action? Is it to something to do with dogs?
Certain dictators have ended up hanging from lamp posts once the populace realise they have been duped.
Thank you both for the explanations, I’m of the opinion that such derogatory language is not helpful in a reasoned debate? Lots of people who voted for Brexit did it for lots of reasons (I didn’t vote for it) and the lamp post reference is just vile. Come on Singletrack, raise the bar on standards!
I’m of the opinion that such derogatory language is not helpful
The term 'gammon' is a reference to angry white men going gammon-coloured with rage. Whilst I completely agree that it's not helpful, would you suggest that it should be a status worthy of protection?
Lots of people who voted for Brexit did it for lots of reasons
Well, this is a) absolutely true and b) an argument put to bed three years ago. You're a bit late to the party I'm afraid.
(I didn’t vote for it)
What did you vote for?
wheelsonfire1
SubscriberLots of people who voted for Brexit did it for lots of reasons
Yes they did, and that's a huge part of the problem. There was a tiny majority for brexit, and only because people could vote for lots of reasons, for different, incompatible, or impossible brexits. Promised everything, and then all those votes for lots of reasons suddenly became a mandate for whatever brexit happens no matter what. There was never a majority for any one brexit that could ever happen.
You’re a bit late to the party I’m afraid.
Almost suspiciously so.....
🤔🤔🤔
My favourite is still people voting for more visas for chefs for curry houses... or the banning of bull fighting... or to save our cuppa tea... or to save the polar bear... oh, alright, there's so many good ones I can't choose a favourite.
Actually, the number of people who told me in 2016 that they were voting to "do right by our NHS"... that has to be the favourite, if only for John Major's failed attempt to debunk it.
History will judge this man, and he ( along with Bannon) will be put down in the same chapters as some of Stalin's, and Hitler's shady men in the shadows.
History will judge this man, and he ( along with Bannon) will be put down in the same chapters as some of Stalin’s, and Hitler’s shady men in the shadows.
Goebbels would be most upset at being described as 'in the shadows'.
Johnson is just an opportunist bellend along for the ride (Von Papen in this little re-run). Who is going to play the lead, though?
Well, they've been at it again. The Good Law Project seem like the only viable organisation to hold this bunch of ***** to account. They have already started a lawsuit against the government for the PPE scandal.
If you feel strongly about this (and you can afford it) try to donate a little to help the cause:
A lobbying firm run by allies of Dominic Cummings was handed a contract worth £900,000 to conduct public opinion polling on the coronavirus pandemic. The contract was awarded to Hanbury Strategy without any advertisement or competitive tender process. And it was awarded to Hanbury despite the fact that - as our sworn evidence discloses - Hanbury was ill-suited to do the bulk of the work and would have had to subcontract it to others. That sworn evidence also suggests that the price paid by Government was “absolutely off the chart”.
Two of three active directors of Hanbury Strategy are Mr Paul Stephenson, a former Conservative advisor and Vote Leave alumni, and Mr Ameetpal Singh Gill, a former advisor to David Cameron. The Government has ignored the law which requires them to publish details of the contract. However, media reports state that the contract came to an end after four months, with Hanbury Strategy having run up a bill of more than half a million pounds. Without details of the contract, we have no way of knowing how they arrived at this huge sum of money.
Ignoring proper procurement practices to hand lucrative contracts to your mates is unlawful. We have issued judicial review proceedings to challenge this award. More details of the claim can be found here.
These aren’t the only long-time associates of Dominic Cummings getting rich from COVID-19. We have already issued judicial review proceedings over a contract awarded to Public First, a small polling company owned by former colleagues of Mr Cummings. Again, the contract was not advertised and no other companies were invited to bid for it.
The Government does not contend its actions are lawful. It says only that we cannot bring these challenges because we do not have standing. They argue only companies who could have bid on these contracts have that right. But other companies operating in this space will not speak out for fear of losing other business.
So it falls to us. We cannot, and will not, stop in our efforts to hold this Government to account.
Thank you,
Jolyon Maugham QC
Director of Good Law Project
Been paying your council tax? Of course you have. We all have. Cummings hasn’t been… and doesn’t have to pay any of the past council tax he’s been avoiding for years…
“It just proves there is two sets of rules: one for them and another for everyone else. It is not right.”
Very old news there!!!
A link from that page threw up this story:
The spitting image portrayal of domcum is great, freakish, evil, oddball Mekon. And baby eater. "Why don't you fire me?"
"To understand him fully, we need a general view of how revolutions work. The determined reformer has to decide at what point to make peace with morally ambiguous methods for bringing about the desired changes. What is at stake at this moment is the very idea of a “rule of law”, something that insists on what is due to citizens, irrespective of their convictions or of the convenience of government. Once it is granted that someone has the right – in the language of some modern political philosophers – to declare an indefinite “state of emergency” in which the rule of law is suspended, no person or institution is safe.
And there is another aspect to this. Revolutions need a variety of political personalities; they need theorists and managers, but they also need enforcers, people with less intelligence or conscience than their colleagues. To some extent one can assess the moral jeopardy of revolutionary movements by the ease with which such figures rise to the top."
Not actually a quote referring to anybody of our time, but to master political manipulator Thomas Cromwell's tactics in the 16th century.
No parallels with modern times there then. Didn't end well for Cromwell though.
Sorry, long boring nightshift 🙂
At last, the news we all wanted. Every time I saw this thread surface I hoped it would be news that he was leaving.
They should have sacked him after his trip to the country, keeping him in did untold damage.
Good riddance
I would be glad, but can't help thinking that "leaving Downing Street" doesn't mean the end of his tampering in UK politics. Anything stopping him still advising without an official role? All the fun with none of the accountability (not that that's really ever a been a concern for him)?
He had said in January that he hoped to be redundant by the end of the year, maybe once Brexit is past the point of no return he will go
And last night it was reported Cummings would vacate Downing Street by Christmas – according to the BBC, who cited a senior source at No 10.
Even if he goes today it's months too late. By Christmas his work will be done.
As long as the police know where he is once the dust finally settles.
****ing good news for a Friday...
Trump out, Covid 19 vaccine and now Cummings out. 2020 may end on a high yet.
On the surface this should be seen as a good thing. My concern is what he does next and which dangerous individuals see an opportunity to fill the power void created by Cain and Cummings leaving.
What is a gammon?
Well, here in Germany its something that attracts LadyPeople. Probably won"t sell too much in the UK... when brands don't transfer across cultures too well...
He's said he'll resign before and hasnt
He should have gone 6months ago
The vote leave narcissists rode the Populist wave & got elevated way above their abilities
Cause the mayhem but make sure you are not around for the fallout?
At first glance this seems like good news, but it must be tempered by the realities:
1. He is only going because it is 'job done' from his point of view. He has delivered an irreversible shock to the economy. The aftermath of which will be erosion of workers rights and the sell off of large parts of the public sector. He will be counting the billions in kickbacks and retainers from the people who really back him.
2. He is doing it to be out of the public eye when it all goes tits up early next year. He will continue to manipulate and influence from behind the scenes.
3. It is of his own volition. I'd much rather have seen him being chased down Whitehall in his socks by a pitchfork wielding mob. But he's too cunning to be publicly visible when people's lives are trashed by Brexit.
To be honest, I'd like to see him in court charged with treason. Money given to Leave was from dubious foreign sources. In effect he has acted against the interests of his own country and been partly paid by malicious state actors to do so. If they're looking for a judge or jury member I'd like to put my name forward now.
dannyh +1
It's like watching an episode of the thick of it. In the office Dom is shouting at his PA.
'Right get onto the PM, tell him in that case I'm resigning.
Call comes back 10 minutes later
'PM says that's fine'
The vote leave narcissists ride the Populist wave & got elevated way above their abilities
Sums it up nicely for me, Lee Cain used to dress up as a chicken and follow Cameron about, that's probably the limit of his ability. Cummings writes a wordy blog that no-one reads, he should probably go back to that.
So far the best Friday 13th ever on the face of it, with Sutcliffe dead too. But DannyH +1
I'm mostly with dannyh, and the treason argument, though I fear it wouldn't get past the CPS.
I do wonder if - now Brexit is done - enough of the Tories have got one eye on re-election to want to get rid of the man who has delivered what the people supposedly wanted, but who can be the bogeyman figure to blame going forward. Although to any right thinking person that just shows how spineless and opportunistic they are.
I think this picture contains the fall guy and the aspirant leader, once the fall guy has been suitably blamed.
It does seem rather like he's going away just as the full extent of what he's done will start to be seen.
It also seems to me like Boris will be left, somewhat rudderless, for another year whilst Brexit goes tits up and the economy crashes. Let him take the blame and then bring someone else in to preside of any kind of recovery. It's just if they can make Gove even vaguely palatable to the public by then.
Remember the rumours of him going have been spun several times in the past by his pet journalists. Mostly when he has screwed something up and so it acts as a nice pressure release valve and consolation prize to those wanting to get rid of him now.
That said it might be that after a year of trying to put his fantasies into action he may have found its a bit harder than simply being a professional negative campaigner.
Maybe with the hardliners on their way out and Biden on the way in, Johnson (who I believe is actually pro-Europe) will soften and sign some sort deal.
Gove?
Not a chance, universally disliked within and without the Tory party, utterly lacking in charisma...
But I can believe some of them will coalesce around Rishi perhaps in a year or two if he can remain moderately gaff free and keeps on periodically subsidising the great unwashed's Maccy-D habbit...
Dom never really belonged as part of the No10 bubble, it's far harder to steer the narrative when you keep popping up as part of it... Plus I think deep down he knows it's more fun to stand on the outside lobbing stones at those in power than having to fend off attacks and cling on to power...
I remember an article that he wrote saying (paraphrasing) “Brexit was the easy bit, what comes after will be the challenge”
well, it appears Cummings isn’t up to the task. All mouth and no trousers
All mouth and no trousers
Well-lined pockets, though.
It's not really that he isn't up to it, it is that he never had any intentions of trying. He's done his bit. The bit he was paid for.
I’ve just done a bit of scratching around to see if I could find any outcomes to the “Hard rain” that was coming to the civil services. From what I can tell, it amounts to a shuffle of a couple of FCO fast track candidates , a change to the BoE Gov from the Former head of the FCA and a review by Francis Maude.
Gosh, civil servants up and down the land must be quaking in the sleep...
A couple of the points he made about senior civil servants were valid - not enough knowledge of their departments as they kept moving around, dabbling with projects in areas they didn't understand and then being moved on to another department to make the same mistake. I've seen it happen.
But he was too keen on attacking the civil servants on a personal basis and not addressing the biggest barrier we have to delivering better public services, which is quite often down to rubbish legislation and regulations being brought in by people who don't listen to the people on the ground. That's not just a Tory problem, btw.
If you want truly to make us more efficient and effective, give us efficient and effective regulations to carry out
Can he not be done for leaving the scene of a crime?
He's getting out to watch from abroad as Kent becomes a lorry park and the economy collapses in January. Boris will be gone then too, as the full scale of the disaster unfolds and we'll be left with whichever muppet the blue rinses and retired colonels land us with next
To be honest, I’d like to see him in court charged with treaso
Whether it is treason or not really rather depends on who is running the country. Bit of a "I don't like you" charge for the kings and queens of yore to excuse their execution orders.
Last used in 1945... don't hold your breath.
A couple of the points he made about senior civil servants were valid – not enough knowledge of their departments as they kept moving around, dabbling with projects in areas they didn’t understand and then being moved on to another department to make the same mistake. I’ve seen it happen.
Ironic for Cummings of all people to make these accusations, though, don't you think?
Especially when the current average period in tenure for senior cabinet positions is probably better measured in months than years. And that is without mentioning aptitude....
These snouts aren't in need of any porcine perfume.
Whether it is treason or not really rather depends on who is running the country.
A lot of (entirely appropriate) damage can be done to a person's standing just by having all the evidence laid out in court. The verdict isn't everything.
Ironic for Cummings of all people to make these accusations, though, don’t you think?
Yes
How much vetting do the Tories do of party members? Is it worth joining to get a say in who is leader?
The government over last few years and in particular their handling of Brexit reminds me of a giant "The Apprentice" task, but one that's playing out in real-life. Lots of confident 'management' speak from people whose opinion of themselves far outweighs any actual ability, blindly making 'strong decisions' and rushing from one panic to the next, before the whole thing collapses in a heap of steaming dog-turd.
And now Cummings is swanning off just as it gets really shitty, just like Cameron had this great idea of a Brexit referendum & then sodded off as soon as it went a bit pear-shaped.
Cameron had this great idea of a Brexit referendum & then sodded off as soon as it went a bit pear-shaped.
He was bounced into it as his 'confident and assured' act was just an act. When push came to shove he bottled it at the threat of Farage and UKIP leaching away the more xenophobic and hard of thinking Tory support and not ever giving it back.
The Nicotine Toad repeated the trick with 'The Brexit Party' setting the Tory agenda.
Cameron should have slapped him down properly and said "If you split my party enough, you'll get a Labour government at the next GE. Your move Nige".
His job will be done. Also having done his job of delivering the "will of the people" and saving us from COVID, Johnson will follow shortly afterwards having served his purpose as useful fool.
Boris gone and Rishi I'm his place by about April I reckon!
Who are the contenders;
Gove?
Sunak?
A leftfield unknown?
His job will be done
Only partially done. Sure he has trashed the UK but that was supposed to give him the opportunity to rebuild the civil service in his own image (or at least the false one he has of himself). He has mostly failed in that.
A leftfield unknown?
Right field more likely.
In the sick, twisted political world that Brexit has created, I reckon the headbangers would like a remainer like Hunt to be forever tarnished as he tries to repair the damage and largely fails.
Betraying the will of the people on the one hand and not fixing things for remainers on the other. The serious players are now nailed on to get their billions. The true blue Brexit Believers are going to get screwed over along with everyone else.
It was never about ideals it was about cash.
The government over last few years and in particular their handling of Brexit reminds me of a giant “The Apprentice” task, but one that’s playing out in real-life. Lots of confident ‘management’ speak from people whose opinion of themselves far outweighs any actual ability, blindly making ‘strong decisions’ and rushing from one panic to the next, before the whole thing collapses in a heap of steaming dog-turd.
Excellent description
Hunt has been playing it cool recently and sounding rational by Tory standards. Sunaks predecessor whose name escapes me has also been keeping his powder dry.
Boris gone and Rishi I’m his place by about April I reckon!
Nah, Boris is going to have to try and cling on for at least another year I reckon.
A lot of planning and effort went into positioning him in No10 (and Dom as well actually) and those that backed him will want their slice of the pie, CV19 has yielded some contracts for chums no doubt, but it's also stood in the way of them blazing through Brexit and carving up a few national institutions, shredding some pesky regulations and awarding the odd contract for national infrastructure projects to another Bullingdon boy's company...
Nope, he's got debts to repay...
Crikey! The relentless propaganda war has finally achieved its objective.
I bet Kier, MTV maxheadroom, starmer must be salivating at the prospect of being the next No.10 occupant.
Will Sajid Javid return? He's been keeping a low profile through all of this so far.
Will Sajid Javid return? He’s been keeping a low profile through all of this so far.
No mention of him in the drama yet.
Don't think Gove (with DomCum in the shadows) will be in any rush. Let Boris take the immediate hit, then install someone like Hunt or Raab to make a temporary hash of sweeping up the pieces before our glorious saviour Pob takes the reins to lead us into those glorious post-Brexit uplands that Blowhard lost his way guiding us to...
Boris gone and Rishi I’m his place by about April I reckon!
Great, the continuation of incompetence. What is it, 17% of covid related infections due to eat out to help out?
Cummings is running from view before the sh*t really hits the fan in January, he will still be around, also remember history tells us that when someone appalling falls, there is always the possibility of someone far worse filling the vacuum. Cummings will have left many Mini-me versions of himself in Government to continue the work.
Ultimately it will still continue to be a sh*t show without him, as this last year has proven, people who know how to campaign(by campaign, I mean lie, cheat, corruption, acting against the interests of the country etc,) mixed in with those who sit at the cabinet table due to loyalty to Brexit, turned out to be totally sh*t at Government.
Gone, today!
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Woohooo! As above, BBC say gone WIE.
I've always been surprised by the idea that DC was some kind of Machiavellian genius, pulling strings behind the scenes.
He's crap at it.