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If that's true you really need a think, when you consider any number of scumbag politician examples yet they're all above the media?
In fact, with that one statement frankly it negates any of your other ones as worth listening to. Or marks you as a troll. Either way....
the media have been at it for ages and it has negated much of what they say in my view
You are entitled to hold that view.
I am, but seemingly according to the poster above you, I'm not.
I guess some people cannot accept others views without resorting to insults.
Marks them out as a certain kind of person anyway.
Any interest I did have has been overshadowed by the media demanding to run the country and tell parliament what to do.
Move on. especially the scummy BBC.
Ahahaha! FFS Boris and his chums have used the media to stir up a culture war which has so far worked out very well for them. I've got no love for the likes of Kuenssberg and Peston but the media culture that exists now is a direct result of the actions of Cummings and his boss. You lot had no problem when it was used to brand Corbyn a racist and mercillessly abuse Diane Abbott, but now it's the other sides turn to experience the same you whine about 'scummy media'. it's ****ing pathetic quite frankly. Here's a tip though, if Boris and Cummings and their loyal zombie acolytes go to war with the media then bring it on, it'll be very amusing watching them be turned inside out and ridiculed on a daily basis like Trump is in the US.
You called the BBC scummy.
That's an insult isn't it?
Your daughter's not called India by any chance?
The media are scum in my opinion.
@brads, you do know that “the media” are Johnson, Gove, Gove’s wife, Cummings’ wife… etc… yes? Journalists and column writers, all of them.
You lot ?? who the hell are you lot ?? fairly ranty there dazh no ?
As an aside why the hell can't I get quotes to insert in the posts.?
It's probably Diane Abbott's fault.
I blame the Daily Mail, and their left wing anti-Brexit agenda.
Edit: I’ve reconsidered… it’s more likely all the fault of the relentlessly anti-Johnson Telegraph.
I am, but seemingly according to the poster above you, I’m not.
I guess some people cannot accept others views without resorting to insults.
Marks them out as a certain kind of person anyway.
Didn't say you can't hold it, I just said it makes your views irrelevant if you really believe that. To say you trust the media less than ANY politician is palpably rubbish, and if you hold that then why would I bother listening to anything else you say either?
Either that, or you're just taking that position to cause an argument, aka trolling.
No insult, just an opinion. Sorry if that marks me out.
fortunately the majority of people dont agree with brads
even Leave voters think he should resign, 52 to 48%, the magic ratio!
Ps . That’s the first time I’ve been properly rude on STW in 10 years. Congratulations.
If you want some credibility, tell us what is so wrong in this Guardian article
hmmm..... I recognise most posters on here and Brads rings a bell.
You're the bloke that posted the 'Evans going bust' thread based on what - an 'Industry Newsletter'. Isn't that a form of media, albeit specialist journalism? You trusted them enough to post potentially damaging 'rumour' then I see (but never actually cited a source?)
Media you say? Nope, don't trust them just like I don't trust politicians.
At least you lot in the west have some forms of "control" over the media, in the far east people just simply read them for fun. When a lockdown was announced the govt has to reinforce them with army coz not many people take them seriously ...
Oh ya in the far east we have clowns in the govt as they can easily switch side with monetary incentive.
How anyone could watch tonights 6 o'clock news and come away thinking the BBC are the problem I have no idea. Clive Myrie's segment from Royal London's intensive care unit was one of the most honest and sobering segments you will ever see on a news broadcast.
That’s the first time I’ve been properly rude on STW in 10 years. Congratulations.
A man in your position amongst many others in here With issues is absolutely vindicated in the context to do so IMO, and on the contrary I’d like to congratulate you on managing to keep it so polite. I suspect it wasn’t easy.
Yeah, but....Lefties......Corbyn, Remoaners.....
How did we end up with this bloke being the most powerful man in the country
Just look at him!
If you bumped into him in the street, you’d assume he was on his way to the offy to buy more cider so he could spend the afternoon shouting at buses
Thanks Kryton. I honestly hope Brads comes up with some reasoned arguments. I’m all for debate. But you take on STW with half truths and bravado at your peril!
It’s a bit like trying to argue with AA over ruck laws on the rugby thread! 😆
Binners - he prefers shouting with a bus instead! A big red bus with a slogan.......
It’s a bit like trying to argue with AA over ruck laws on the rugby thread!
Now that would be really stupid, we all know AA is right. 😉
I think he's a bit too excited by the cameras too. Either he's playing pocket billiards or his undertrousers are shrinking.
Dirty sociopathic pervy lying twunt
I honestly hope Brads comes up with some reasoned arguments. I’m all for debate
Hmmm, don't hold your breath; having looked back at the Evans thread he turned up, dropped a (false) bomb, and then didn't respond to any requests to show his working out. Troll, IMHO.
Brads, presumably you would like to ban a free press? Or put limits on their output? Allowing governments (of either side of the spectrum) businesses and individuals to do as they wish with impunity?
Dirty sociopathic pervy lying twunt
I am going to borrow that 👍 👏 🤣
Oh dear Brads.
that scum media!
Just received a reply from Bill Wiggin, the relevant bit after explaining how hard he and the govt. has been working to help his constituents and thanking me for the sacrifices we have all made was
I have had no dealing with Dominic Cummings and know nothing of his family circumstances. Therefore, I believe it inappropriate to comment directly on those circumstances.
During this unprecedented time we have seen large and often painful reductions in our usual freedoms. Those making the laws must of course show leadership and follow the law.
I have contacted the Government regarding the strength of feeling I have observed in my mailbox on this issue, and I will of course share with you the response I receive.
It is regrettable that this weekend has been such an unhelpful distraction from the genuine needs of my constituents.
As I said, sitting on the fence- one interpretation is an implied criticism of Cummings, but the ‘regrettable’ part could refer to Cummings or the media, or indeed both
That star front page is excellent...and so is the tone on newsnight 👍👍👍👍
Nick watt is paraphrasing ministers off the record again. c'mon!!!!!!
Cummings self isolating.
Emily Maitlis on Newsnight tonight worth a watch. Why don't Laura K and Robert P have this kind of quality questioning? They need to go for re-training.
Emily maitlis is currently pulling down Andrew Bridgen's trousers and is making fun of his johnson a la miss cherry forever in Porkies 👍👍🤭
The redtops - that Star front page is a perfect 10.
As for Brads' view that the media are scum - palpable bollocks of the highest order; as a small counter to his/her idiotic view - thalidomide, trafigura, jimmy savile, cyril smith, cambridge anaytica in the UK; watergate in the US.
None of these would have been ever/properly exposed without the media poking about where they weren't wanted.
Our world would be a much poorer and more dangerous place without that poking about.
They also provide a much needed counter balance to fake news promulgated in the online world.
What about the concept of being held to account?
The media could do better but, without them, what would we have? 21st century version of the wild west.
Andrew Bridgen MP is not covering himself with glory on Newsnight.
Craig Shittaker almost appears to be a human (it's just a ruse though, he's still a nasty git who hates the poor, women, disabled people, ethnic minorities etc.)
Oh dear - apparently I was too rude & was moderated!!!!!!
Emily is good though.
My views on Andrew Bridgen would get me moderated again!!’
Why don’t Laura K and Robert P have this kind of quality questioning? They need to go for re-training.
Indeed, the quality of questioning was very weak. Peston did appear to want to have an effect, Kuenssberg appeared to be just stalling. The BBC, on the whole, have been incredibly poor over the whole issue.
dantsw13 - also moderated earlier; don't know which particular adjective prompted the
tut-tut, don't do it again message.
As for Emily Maitlis, she's shown herself to be a sharp interviewer; having said that bridgen isn't exactly the brightest.
BBC news is basically now Newsround, it's embarrassing.
cheburashka
Member
BBC news is basically now Newsround, it’s embarrassing.
John Craven is back?
If only.
Sadly most people who would watch Newsnight would already understand the whole shambles.
Didn’t say you can’t hold it, I just said it makes your views irrelevant if you really believe that. To say you trust the media less than ANY politician is palpably rubbish, and if you hold that then why would I bother listening to anything else you say either?
Well it is a very common view, politicians and journalists are generally vying with each other (and Estate Agents and Advertising execs) for the relegation places in the Trustworthy league. Pretty dumb to write off people with commonly held views.
It's the kid's middle name, but even so...
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As for Emily Maitlis, she’s shown herself to be a sharp interviewer
Maitlis is the Diamond in amongst the rough when it comes to the UK press right now... She's what the others should aspire to. VERY good on Newsnight tonight I thought, but then she always is.
Heard back from my MP Robin Walker FWIW, having emailed him with the cut and paste posted earlier on this thread... What I received was a load of non committal bullshit, culminating in the "if Dominic Cummings had broken the law I'd be clear that he would have to resign"... 🤦🏻
I have followed up... With a much more assertive email, highlighting the double standards and the potential undermining of the government that standing unequivocally behind Cummings exhibits!
cummings son is 4 so approaching school age - may already be there.
As any parent knows, kids can be and are cruel to each other with verbal taunts and insults.
They should consider the effect on their son.
Has cummings FIL - Sir Baronet etc - commented on how this effects his family/name?
As drac is a local to chillingham castle - what do you know? what's in the local media?
As an aside to this, here's how cummings could have have been wrongly identified as being in Barnard Castle....
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18473526.barnard-castle-antiques-expert-david-harper-mistaken-dominic-cummings/
I didn't suggest all journos / media are trustworthy; I agree there are plenty disreputable. Just as there are plenty (ok, some) trustworthy politicians. But all media are worse than politicians is clearly neither remotely true, nor a commonly held belief.
As drac is a local to chillingham castle – what do you know?
I’ve met Sir Wakefield he’s a very nice gentleman had long chat with him and he invited me and my family for tea and a private showing of his home which the public don’t see. Never did take him up on the offer.
Another thought about cummings - he's probably accustomed to being insulted and, possibly, hated; now he's being laughed at, sneered at and that, I think, is much more difficult for him and his family to handle.
This is not just about him; his wife was 'economical with the truth' in her spekkie article so she has now placed herself in the firing line.
His time is over - that's clear; it's now only about whether he walks or is shown the door and when it happens.
johnson's 'loyalty' to him is transient as will be seen.
drac - you slid past that one nicely; I would have been surprised if you hadn't met Sir Humphry (sounds a bit like Yes, Minister but spelling is different).
Anything in local media or your network about his view of his daughter and son-in-law's behaviour?
His time is over
No, it is not. He’s running the country. The question is what happens once enough people realise that he is, and don’t want him to be… I think the answer is… nothing much. He’ll still be running the country this time next year… people won’t like it… they’ll be told to lump it.
Quick question… Is he still not even a member of the party that won the most seats at the last election? Not a politician. Not a Tory. Not elected. Not a civil servant. Not answerable to parliament. Shows contempt for the select committees of MPs. But he makes the decisions that effect us all.
No, it is not. He’s running the country. The question is what happens once enough people realise that he is, and don’t want him to be… I think the answer is… nothing much.
We can only dream...
But all media are worse than politicians is clearly neither remotely true, nor a commonly held belief.
I think you would be surprised, 20% of the population dont trust the BBC at all and they are by far the most trusted news brand. Journalism is in a death spiral.
kelvin - you are wrong; his time IS over - as johnson's will be by year end.
History shows so many examples; cummings is nothing new. Robespierre for the 21st century.
He is now a busted flush - as is johnson.
My concern is who will fill the void; in fact, there has been a void since those two teamed up.
Just got round to reading marina Hyde's piece:
Cummings is the talking car to Johnson’s Hasselhoff 🤭🤭🤭
Having installed bernard jenkin as his tame chair of the Liaison Commitee, johnson has condescended to appear on wednesday afternoon.
That will be a case study in obfuscation; hope Yvette Cooper is on top of her game.
his time IS over
Cummings is going nowhere. I’d love to see his time at the centre of government come to an end, but I don’t see even an outline of a path to that happening. Johnson sack him? Don’t make me laugh. Johnson replaced by MPs and Party Members?! No, way. Not happening. It’s just wishful thinking: understandable, but not rooted in reality.
I've just deleted a long post about our families Covid-19 life as it just sounds a bit ****y. I was going to email the MP for the Derbyshire Dale's, but when I did the Google fu for her contacts I found her her Facebook post just blaming the press for hounding DC. I would like to be more enraged but the Dale's is such a safe Tory seat they could just put a blue rosette on a dried walrus cock and it would hold the seat and accepted that Sarah Dines MP is probably of less moral worth than said dried walrus cock.
Just goes to show, if you have a job that needs doing, but don’t want to do it, there is someone else you can pay to do it for you. Look after your kids, cook your food, look after your garden, be prime minister...
Would an FOI request be able to find out how much DC is paid? And how it compares to the PMs? Outside ‘bonuses’ notwithstanding, obvs.
kelvin - my views ARE fully rooted in reality.
cummings on his way out.
johnson's credibility is shot; out by end of year.
As you're so confident, I offer you a gentleman's wager of £500 - exact details to be defined; proceeds to a charity to be agreed between us.
tomhoward - I recall something about cummings salary being c£100k so nothing special but it's clear he's not in this for the money; for him, it's ideological.
20% of the population dont trust the BBC at all and they are by far the most trusted news brand.
Reuters and the University of Oxford have numbers. BBC news is by far the most popular news source, but the FT, The Times and Channel 4 are most trusted (by their readers).
I was basing my comment on a Yougov survey, they didn't separate out ITV, but I have seen plenty of surveys agreeing with what you say. I personally think ITV actually do the best job of being impartial, although I am not a big consumer of TV news.
Re your edit: not sure how useful a readership/viewership views, but the yougov figures do suggest the quality newspapers have slightly fewer people who don't trust them at all. However fewer people trust them as well - the numbers will be lower through lower exposure of course.
... I offer you a gentleman’s wager of £500
Can I join the bet?
Just to clarify ...
If I win the money go to my pocket for my own use.
If you win then do as you wish.
We can consider a different amount and does not have to be £500.
Just for a bit of fun.
continue to do well this year
Do they have to start to do well first?
Just spoke at my parents funeral, so feeling pretty jaundiced about entitled, privileged rule breaking establishment elite types like Cummings.
Not helped when they proudly proclaim the virtues of breaking the rules, make the rules, break the rules in spirit as a minimum, then claim they didn’t break the letter of the rules - like Cummings.
Mefty - are you also put off by the BBC’s centre right to rather more than centre right bias? I’d agree that LK with Boris is sickening.
drac – you slid past that one nicely; I would have been surprised if you hadn’t met Sir Humphry (sounds a bit like Yes, Minister but spelling is different).
I don’t think he mixes with the locals that much that everyone has met him.
Anything in local media or your network about his view of his daughter and son-in-law’s behaviour?
I’m not sure what your expecting to hear news sources all share stories now. I’m not even sure why your brought me into your weird little discussion.
I'm not arguing or defending that there is less trust in media than there was, or that some of the media are absolute scum. When you think how people have been hounded, some to their suicides, to have another opinion would be stupid*
I still don't agree that all media are worse than politicians though. Picking two at random - Emily Maitlis (as I just read about her on Newsnight above vs - let's choose at random - the ex- Chancellor of German in the middle of the last century whose name escapes me.....)
* when that happened to Caroline Flack - a fluffy entertainment TV presenter - didn't we say that it was a disgrace and should never happen again? Now DomCum is being hounded from pillar to post over an entirely reasonable explanation of his need to go for an eyetest. Do we now want it to happen again?
There's no way either Bozz or Dozz are going anywhere as Donald Trump has seen to it that populist politicians (and their aides) no longer apologise, and certainly no longer resign. All his policies and what not will fade into obscurity but the long lasting damage DT will have done to global politics is to create an environment in which the echo chamber is louder than reality nowadays.
Now DomCum is being hounded from pillar to post over an entirely reasonable explanation of his need to go for an eyetest.
This post needs sarcasm tags....
I assune it's sarcasm anyway.
Frank
Make the bet for baked goods or a forfeit. £500 is much too much
I did also note the rather nice touch from Cummings when he asserted he had predicted that Coronavirus would happen in a Blog past last year. Actually what he did was mention a pandemic in general terms and then EDIT the Blog post sometime between March 9th and April sometime to specifically mention a Coronavirus. Nice touch that one except the internet never forgets and pure lies like that need to be outed and punished publicly.
mboy
Member
“if Dominic Cummings had broken the law I’d be clear that he would have to resign”… 🤦🏻
The fact that the government are going to refund fines for people who were charged for doing similar, must mean that (in the eyes of the police) Cummings broke the law.
you are wrong; his time IS over – as johnson’s will be by year end.
I'd be surprised. Johnson is now where May was. The hole he's dug in the last few months coupled with the fact the situation isn't going to improve in the short term, and Brexit new year means I find it hard to see anyone who would want to jump into his shoes until everything that can be blamed on him, has.
The fact that the government are going to refund fines for people who were charged for doing similar, must mean that (in the eyes of the police) Cummings broke the law
Except they’re not.
Yup, Johnson is firmly entrenched. He has backed his Cummings horse and that won't change. To do so would be tantamount to admitting poor judgement, which is obviously not going to happen.
His huge majority means his party won't attempt to shift him on and the country can't budge him for another 4 years.
The question is, how much damage can Boris and Cummings do in the next 4 years, emboldened by surviving this.
No deal Brexit. Sell out the NHS. Abandon workers rights. Align the country to US style of capatilism. Sell any remaining national assets. Increase debt. Build vanity projects.
Nothing is beneath these shameless ****ers now.
My views on Andrew Bridgen would get me moderated again!
His constituency is next to mine.
He is the kind of 'Self made man on the make' Tory that are the worst. Finger in every dodgy pie, using his position for financial and political gain. Reading through his wiki entry always makes the bike rise in my throat. Have a read if you want to see full-on, two fingers up, "It's not my fault you're a pleb and I'm an MP" contempt. Anyway have a read.
I do particularly like this one when he was currying favour doing a bit of local dirty politics. Note the emphasis on the intransigence of unelected officials. FFS.
"In May 2009, he intervened in the "dirty tricks row" involving a councillor who had offered Conservative backing to ensure a village hall was built if an independent election candidate stood down.[6] Bridgen blamed "intransigence of certain unelected individuals at the very top of the county council" rather than the individual councillors involved.[6] Both Labour and Conservative council leaders criticised his intervention and the council solicitor wrote to ask for an explanation.[6] A police investigation followed and Cllr Nicholas Rushton temporarily stood down. Rushton denied wrongdoing and went on to become leader of the county council."
Anyway. He's basically a crook and is nasty enough to act like the loud-mouthed boor he is without a trace of compunction. That's why they trot him out to be abused. He has no morals and no shame.
The Paddy McGuinness tweet from the last page is brilliant it looks like it may keep the momentum going in the right direction. Only problem is I couldn't get the tune of my head when I was supposed to go to sleep