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So Brexit means Brexit but Stay at home means drive 300 miles to see your folkes, and then another 30 for a nice day out at the castle. Right, got it.
At least with Brexit we will have got rid of all those pesky unelected bureaucrats..
Hmm, Land Rovers Disco Sport MPG seems to be missing from thier web page…
I have one and can confirm he'd have had to fill up at least once as the tank is tiny. 350 miles at best if brimmed, low 30's mpg (providing it's 4x4).
How would I make a police complainant about a man who went on national television and admitted to having vision problems and going for a 30 minute drive to test his eyes?
I saw a headline on a forum earlier that said that "everyone who received a fine during lockdown could now ignore it" . . . .
I saw a headline on a forum earlier that said that “everyone who received a fine during lockdown could now ignore it” . . . .
Don't limit yourself. Caught riding cheeky even though there may be 'no cycling' signs up?
"Sorry, I decided I had to ride my bike to test my eyesight. You say it is no cycling here, but I haven't seen any signs to that effect. Maybe my eyesight is iffy after all. By the way, where am I?"
I'm very very tempted to go for a provocative daylight cheeky ride in my local NIMBY country park just so I can trot that line out if challenged by the NIMBY gammons who roam it.
Chewkw do you do stand up?
I’m surprised he can, from his posts it sounds like he’s had a stroke.
Maybe not the kind of 'stroke' you think. What with the dodgy eyesight and all eh Dom chewie?
Chewkw- post some banal video where you kill* grey squirrels. It will make you more popular
*my video showed no grey squirrels, just a humane trap deployment but I am glad the **** Cummings has taken the heat off me
So… had to leave London, against government guidance, because they thought they both had the virus and were worried about childcare if they both became more ill… but they didn’t go against isolation instructions when leaving London, because they didn’t “know” they had the virus? Is that the defence?
He had that prop scoot bike sticking out of his backpack this evening.
So Brexit means Brexit but Stay at home means drive 300 miles to see your folkes, and then another 30 for a nice day out at the castle. Right, got it.
Be fair. Dominic, as chief advisor to the government,realised that the meaning of 'stay at home' was confusing and had the government change the message to 'stay alert.' He also got Boris to issue a statement encouraging people to drive and visit beauty spots and to rely on the common sense of the British people.
All done after his visit to Barnard castle.
Wait... Land Rover make a 2wd Disco? That's the craziest thing I've seen in 1000 posts.
Also, URL to Chrome killfile please?
hatemail arent buying it, but not attacking him quite so directly
Wardee i’m with you on the timing of those message changes.
Bollocks, the Mail are toning it down aren't they? He'll survive and Binners will get his steak bake...
I'm assuming his reg is out there so folk can check dashcams/CCTV etc? Goddamn that surveillance state.
Reg number blurred out on all recent broadcasts.
Mr Photographic memory retired teacher has it!
So, the second trip on 19 Apr - are we now accepting that was a mistake & didn’t happen? That seems to be the only inaccuracy if so. Well, apart from all Cummings lies anyway.
So… he tells us to read his blog where he warned about a Coronavirus out break… and assumed that people were too stupid to check to see if his warnings had been retrospectively added after the event…
[check the whole thread]
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1265036654823251970?s=21
Anyway… had to leave London because they had the virus… wasn’t breaking the isolation instruction because they didn’t have the virus. Which is true?
And if leaving London was the “safe” thing to do, why the instruction for (all other) people not to travel?
Can anyone confirm whether Cums child it's autistic?
I'm seeing this come up a lot as a defence for his actions? A Google certainly didn't shed any light on the matter and I think it highly unlikely Cums would have not made a big deal of that fact if true.... Given the guy is now carrying kids toys to his car every day since this kicked off.
I’ve now heard “telling people to quarantine” being key to the next part of this response to the medical emergency several times on the BBC this evening. A lot of work to do there, if people aren’t going to just “use their instincts” and carry the virus around the country with them.
A partial transcript of Dom’s road trip below
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.
Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can, which in this case was Durham.
@Kelvin
Thanks for the Cold War Steve link. Lots of other excellent stuff on his twitter 👍
I think my favourite thing about this whole debacle is that the entire country now feels like the DUP or one of Boris' exes. Everyone knew he has an MO for screwing people over, but all the tories etc thought "yeah, but that was all those other stupid assholes, he wouldn't do that to ME - I'm too important!". Forgetting that everyone else in the past thought the same thing.
I wonder if this will work as a wake up call for the true blue before brexit happens and they (and us) are left with Boris' seed dripping down our legs while he wipes it off on the curtains and borrows a £20 note to go out and fetch breakfast from Greggs and never comes back, leaving the country holding his love-child. And when we we try to call him to tell him we missed our last two periods, realising he fake-numbered us so we can't even get the CSA to chase him up.
I have just emailed my MP Jacob Ree-Mogg (Cock).
I would urge anyone who has a Tory MP to do the same.
Emailed mine, Andrea Jenkyns. Her record shows that she seems actually quite concerned about measures put in place to protect people, so might get some action.
I think he might still ride this out. If both of them simply don't care about the backlash they will just continue as they are until people get bored of the subject. Unless something more drastic happens. Plenty of the right wing papers leading with the shops opening. Looking through the comments people are framing this as a Brexit revenge tactic as well which will put gammons in a quandry.
Plenty of the right wing papers leading with the shops opening.
I bet the original intention was not to announce that last night.
If both of them simply don’t care about the backlash they will just continue as they are until people get bored of the subject.
They don't care. They don't have to. They are sitting on an 80 seat majority for the next 4.5 years.
The thing that pisses me off most about all of this stuff (Brexit, Trump, etc) is that they have finally figured out that UK and US citizens, taken as an average, are too lazy and thick to care. Maybe it was something added to the water from the 60s onwards.
But they have figured out that enough of us have an attention span of roughly the number of hours from one episode of Eastenders to the next.
They despise normal people, look down on them. But can convince these people that they have their best interests at heart.
It really is quite awful.
**** Boris
**** Brexit
**** Cummings
But they have figured out that enough of us have an attention span of roughly the number of hours from one episode of Eastenders to the next.
This they are just waiting for this next thing to come along... oh wait, the shops are open again in 2 weeks? Whoop!
dannyh, I couldn’t have put it better myself. Apathy and stupidity.
Where is Starmer in all this with a wide open goal and half the country expressing outrage at this unelected lemon? He must have some special secret strategy for completing doing them over with his laser silence. Maybe Sainsburys want more people in the shops and the landlords want people back to work.
I think the Tories will sit this out and it'll degrade politics further, encourage cynicism, deceit and pessimism and that's the Trumpian-type environment they feel most comfortable in.
Where is Starmer in all this with a wide open goal and half the country expressing outrage at this unelected lemon?
He’s been tweeting and giving interviews? That’s as much as he can do, as parliament is in recess.
I think the Tories will sit this out and it’ll degrade politics further, encourage cynicism, deceit and pessimism and that’s the Trumpian-type environment they feel most comfortable in.
That was obvious from the start. Cummings will then still be there in 5 years time to get them elected again with more lies and catchy slogans. If for some reason he is sacked then I imagine Trump will snap him up for his campaign
encourage cynicism, deceit and pessimism
Exactly. Maybe I should read the writing on the wall and start trying to ingratiate myself with them? I could be a 'rabid convert', even more extreme than those with single digit party numbers. There's still a chance for me.
Do I start by sharing 'nudge-nudge not quite openly racist' tweets?
If I work my way up quietly, I might get an important behind the scenes job. Maybe organising rail timetables for 'resettlement' schemes?
The depths we are sinking to are scary. Is it time to start thinking the unthinkable?
KW69 GBY
I’m disappointed to see that (with the exception of this thread) the media (and social media) seem to have gone quiet and forgotten about it already. That’s exactly what the Tories wanted us to do. I feel very disheartened 😕
I’m disappointed to see that (with the exception of this thread) the media (and social media) seem to have gone quiet and forgotten about it already. That’s exactly what the Tories wanted us to do. I feel very disheartened
Credit where it is due. Cummings and his ilk figured out before anyone else how little respect 'we' are actually due. They figured out how to manipulate an unquestioning and pliant herd.
The combination of utter disdain dressed up as concern over 'legitimate concerns of ordinary people around things such as immigration' is enough to push me close to actual vomiting.
I think Starmer has made some very clear points - I guess it depends from where you get your news? And anyway, PMQs next time around should be cracking.
PMQs next time around should be cracking
It will be excellent.......
For those who listen to it, or even know what it is.
That is not their audience. They don't care about that.
It really was a master class in management by apparently reasonable pronouncement.
Hang on:
In the middle of a international emergency a key advisor goes AWOL and doesn't tell anyone. No one thinks to ask where he is. If that is true the government would appear to be totally asleep at the wheel. Maybe the government practices what it preaches on employees - they just don't care.
I'd have thought someone wired the way Mr Cummings brain is will remember what conversations were had.
Leaving home for to care for vulnerable people was explained in terms of when the vulnerable person doesn't live with you. Guidance at the time also seemed to be very clear on not going to second homes to self isolate / countryside to self isolate.
Going for a drive to see if you are fit enough to drive on a motorway involves driving 30miles on minor country roads and through small towns with the family. He was staying five or six miles from a motorway. A quick trip to Scotch Corner and back with the Mrs leaving the child with his sister / family might have been a sensible option. These being cited as the key reason for travelling to the farm for child care. He was clear of his quarantine period was over; not an infection risk and they could have left their house under the vulnerable individual care exception.
Poopscoop
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Can anyone confirm whether Cums child it’s autistic?I’m seeing this come up a lot as a defence for his actions? A Google certainly didn’t shed any light on the matter and I think it highly unlikely Cums would have not made a big deal of that fact if true…. Given the guy is now carrying kids toys to his car every day since this kicked off.
It looks to have been made up by the usual far-right brexit trolls
Im sure cummings is happy to let that bit of fake news fester though
https://twitter.com/jamiemcleod02/status/1264731537913925632
Being the complete w***** that he is, Cummings does need to check his eyesight every now and then.
I really hoped this wouldn't just go away, but it seems I'll be disappointed again.
Well played, I guess but, unless there's another bombshell to be exposed (oh, please...), we'll all have moved on in a week.
dannyh
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PMQs next time around should be cracking
It will be excellent…….
For those who listen to it, or even know what it is.
That is not their audience. They don’t care about that.
So true and even if they did stumble upon it they would cherry pick the bits they wanted to hear
Didn't he carry his child out into the middle of the media scrum at the weekend?
The Sun is now leading with a comment piece in support of Cummings, "Dominic Cummings has emerged triumphant — leaving his political enemies & media critics floundering". Comments are mixed. Some people are definitely buying the bullshit.
I really hoped this wouldn’t just go away, but it seems I’ll be disappointed again.
It really needs some high profile figures to come out and state the obvious, that the government are protecting their staff at the expense of public health.
It's astounding and genuinely a bit frightening what we've seen from the current government under Boris Johnson. I'm not sure there's been anything like it before? Certainly not in my lifetime. And even more frightening that people not only buy into it, but readily defend it, like they want more of it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52802057
Tory resignations begin....
Edit - posted earlier by numbers.
It's time for Starmer to stand up and get ripped into this lot, the Cummings issue is a deflection away from the rising tide of questions regarding the government's handling of this, the Times double page spread was bang on, this has been pushed into the background.
The Tories have a large majority and it's over 4 years before the next general election. The public and the news media don't have the attention span for this issue to last long enough for it to be a real problem for the government. Trump will do or say yet another egregious thing in a day or two and that'll grab everyone's attention, or something banal will happen involving a celebrity or a TV show or something.
The only way it'll affect Dominic Cummings in the long run is that it'll be remembered when he makes a mistake that pisses off the Tories, in which case his behaviour during lockdown will be used as another piece of pressure to get him sacked. But that won't happen until internal pressures within the Tory party start pushing against him, not because of what the public thinks.
Good for Douglas Ross, must be a very difficult decision.
@butcher not surprised at The Sun, absolute scum publication.
First domino? I guess this is partly a Scottish dimension to all this. The tories in Scotland were absolutely strident about Calderwood and made a huge fuss. They are now under attack for hypocrisy over this.
This is not going to go away. Commons in recess may actually make it go on longer as there will be fuss in the house over this once it returns
I fully expect a greater drip drip drip effect over this including action over the second visit
I applaud any MP or official who hands in their resignation over this.
It always concerns me too though, that in the long-term they will only be replaced by someone who is willing to accept it, tipping the balance and reinforcing the government's position.
I’m disappointed to see that (with the exception of this thread) the media (and social media) seem to have gone quiet and forgotten about it already. That’s exactly what the Tories wanted us to do. I feel very disheartened 😕
edit: hadn't refreshed the thread.
respect to Douglas, how unusual to have a minister with a spine and a conscience.
It really needs some high profile figures to come out and state the obvious, that the government are protecting their staff at the expense of public health.
You mean like the various scientific advisors who have? 20 Tory MPs? Virtually all the broadcast media?
Best thing my MP (Douglas Ross) has ever done. Good on him!
Rats deserting the ship springs to mind though, I can't see Boris lasting long 😆
Gove (arsehole) on R4 earlier repeating the 'some aspects of the story are palpably untrue' line without being specific which ones.
The reason for that is obvious. Cummings is lying. Gove know Cummings is lying. Gove is trying to avoid specifics that could trap him.
The refusal of the interviewer to go after his and ask 'which specific allegations are untrue?' means the beeb have been told to let it go. Probably via Keunssberg.
Death of democracy.
First domino?
Christ no. Did enjoy the Stalin-esque quality of all the top cabinet members tweeting almost exactly the same message this morning, obeying orders no doubt, and having the text pre-prepared for them as they clearly can't be trusted to write their own version of the message.
Edit: there was a member of the 1922 committee on the radio yesterday hinting darkly that they're not massively impressed. Whether it amounts of anything other than a private ticking off remains to be seen though, as annoyed as they might be, it's not really in their best interests to do anything other than help it go away...
Oh, the beeb news team are letting it go… the LK voiceover (it didn’t sound like reporting to me) on the piece about him last night was deeply creepy.
Anyway, he comes forward, admits that he did break all the rules as accused… and offers up an unrelated story about taking his child to a hospital 250 miles from home to gain sympathy.
[good Twitter thread]
https://twitter.com/sturdyalex/status/1264974282905587712?s=21
More Tory MPs calling for him to resign. Its still rumbling on and will continue.
Note also he has been caught lying over edited blog posts
Tory MP William Wragg, chairman of the influential Commons Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs select committee, has added his name of to a growing list of Conservatives revolting against Dominic Cummings.
From the grauniad
they are prising his fingers loose one at a time
This is a slight coincidence, out of all the parts of the country to have a multi national pharma company.....
I disappear from STW for 3 days and the poison dwarf spawns near 1200 posts over his antics.
He's made himself distinctly unpopular, that's for sure.
Thing is, if he does get pushed, Boris promptly collapses like a flan in a cupboard, and then what steps into the (4 more years of this awful party) vacuum?
Gove
This is a slight coincidence, out of all the parts of the country to have a multi national pharma company…..
GSK have bits and pieces dotted all over the shop. So you get the possibility of living in a gorgeous area (Upper Teesdale) with a high-tech, well paid job just down the road in your sleepy market town.
Bit precarious if the company decides to up sticks though - not many pharma jobs to walk into in that area.
I used to live up that way. If you can make it work, quality of life is through the roof.
Apparently the bit in the guidance aboout special circumstances involving children was put in so that children in danger of abuse could be removed from the home, but DC pretends it is for the übermensch to make whatever choice they want.
I know GSK has facilities all over the place, making it more of a coincidence, along with the date of the article being published a day or two after Cummings visit to the same town....
This is a slight coincidence...
Already discussed. GSK HQ is in Brentford. Barnard Castle is a manufacturing site. A teleconference is a lot easier than driving to the other end of the country if you want to organise a conspiracy...
Cummings has broken the rules for his own convenience, lied about it, and is getting away with it by spreading a confusing mess of outright deceit, half truths and dead-cat distraction nonsense (the eye test). We don't need to help him by adding more noise.
I wonder if Gove is doing any stealth scheming with an eye on the top job?
eskay
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I wonder if Gove is doing any stealth scheming with an eye on the top job?
Ive no doubt that every day he wakes up & considers who he has to backstab/suck up to, to further that goal
I wonder if bears shit in heavily tree-covered areas?
During that press conference on Monday, Dominic Cummings claimed that he had been worried about a pandemic for some time and that last year he had written about the possible threat of coronaviruses and the urgent need for planning.
Jens Wiechers, a data scientist, put Cummings’ blog post mentioning coronaviruses through the Wayback Machine – a digital archive – and found that the relevant paragraphs had been added on 14 April – the day Cummings returned to work after the trip to Durham.
Ive just written a letter to my MP
Im still pretty angry
what is really getting to me is the unbridled ****ing narcissism of the man
he went & changed his own blog (the day after returning from Durham) to say that he forewarned about a pandemic
his boss was in ICU, he himself had been very ill
the country was skyrocketing to the top of the list of deaths in Europe
and first thing he does when he gets back is alter his blog to make himself look smarter than he is and whilst spinning out a load of lies yesterday when millions were watching he felt the need to slip that untruth in with all the rest
FFS!
I'm hearing that Starmer is having to lie low because the press know Stephen Kinnock was been playing the same game.