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If if says dogs on leads why can't the owners comply. Is it really that difficult, and if you can't be bothered to walk the 500 yards to the dog exercise area can you please pick up its faeces. No capitals no spellings cos I can't be bothered.
Dog owners being inconsiderate?
Surely not?
I’ll keep that in mind.
Campers are grumpy.
But my dogs well behaved....
They are when your friends daughter gets liberally coated in crap because another responsible owner couldn't be bothered to pick up. Thought better of you.
Disgusting paints dog owners in a bad name. You know those with well behaved dogs.
No. I'm sorry but I've had enough of the my dogs great brigade when he sneaks off and pisses all over someone's tent, and yeah ive seen it happening. On a lead means on a lead simple.
You never meet a dog owner who admits to leaving tu4ds, yet they're everywhere.. ...
Because you notice the bad dogs, well behaved dogs go unnoticed. Just like all cyclists jump red lights.
Not true. Several of my customers have well behaved dogs. That's not the point is it. One pile of crap spreads a long way and it's one pile too many.
I love dogs. You can forgive them laying the odd turd and pissing on tents. Tents are waterproof. And dogs are always smiling. Unlike grumpy campers.
The problem isn't genuinely responsible dog owners.
The problem is that there aren't as many of them as you think.
The amount of people who think it's fine to let their dog shit just off the path in parks is now totally out of control.
You can't let kids go running around in the woods in any park I know anymore.
Avenham Park in Preston is the worst - on a hot day, it stinks.
Retrieving a ball that's ended up in the little gullies either side of the main paths is just horrible - dog shit, bagged and unbagged, is everywhere.
Sorry, but the increase in dog ownership means that the rest of us have to suffer.
Sadly, human nature means that very, very few dog owners ever accept responsibility. They are all perfect in their own eyes and justify their selfish behaviour.
You can't forgive your little fur baby for pissing on someone else's tent. Keep it on a lead and it can piss on your tent. How hard is it.
I love dogs. You can forgive them laying the odd turd and pissing on tents. Tents are waterproof. And dogs are always smiling. Unlike grumpy campers.
No, you can't forgive them.
Sorry, but the increase in dog ownership means that the rest of us have to suffer.
Yes, we've reached peak dug.
The problem isn’t genuinely responsible dog owners.
The problem is that there aren’t as many of them as you think.
Most are responsible are we would be treading non stop in turds, tents would be floating down the field in a river of dog piss and no child would have a face.
Sadly, human nature means that very, very few dog owners ever accept responsibility.
Bollocks
It’s the sheep I hate. Just wandering around the fields, shitting and pissing everywhere. All while the owners are swanning about in their fancy 4x4’s.
OK.
Let's see how many on this thread do so.
Most are responsible are we would be treading non stop in turds,
Did you read my post?
The use of urban parks is being compromised by dog owners, whether you like it or not.
What about Hippos? Belligerent as balls and can spray shite.
A Hippopotamus yesterday.
Every dog owner is responsible when you talk to them. It's always someone else. Only its not. The crap comes from somewhere. And ive had to point this out to my own mates who's trail dogs have dropped one in the middle of the trail.
Did you read my post?
The use of urban parks is being compromised by dog owners, whether you like it or not.
Yes. Compromise really?
Yes, really.
The bits of woodland, where kids like to play, on either side of the main paths are no go areas for small children now.
We see dog owners failing to pick up from these areas every single day, as we like to use the park.
Very, very rarely do we see anyone venture off the path to pick up.
As the majority of people we now see in the park have dogs, the problem has grown massively.
It has become such a problem we can't let the grand kids go running around and playing in the wooded areas now.
Sorry, but that's the way it is.
My experience is vastly different to yours.
Ha, the tourists I met on my walk today couldn't give me a wider berth as I was picking up after my dog, I wasn't going to shake their hands 😉
Meh!
Had 5 dogs with me at the caravan this weekend. No issues.
Most annoying thing is campers with guitars.
As someone who remembers a childhood before the bag it and bin it era of dog ownership I am going with the view that substantially more owners pick up than don't but like RLJ cyclists of you don't like dogs and dog owners you only notice the numpties.
Generally there's less turds lying around on pavements and fields than there was when I was a kid - people MOSTLY do the right things.
Lots of dogs on our campsite in the summer. One was a bit prone to a runabout but I'd have rather had him urinating on my tent than the neighbors we had on the previous year's trip effing and jeffing at midnight every night about the electric pump and the airbed and the yelling at each other before breakfast or the T6 party circle of wagons with their stereos that would make a Disaster Area concert seem quite relaxing and no heed for social distancing.
Some people are not good at sharing space and don't get camping etiquette and some of them own dogs.
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My experience is vastly different to yours.
Yes, I know.
Just try and see things from a different point of view.
I love my daughter's dogs, and our friends' dogs.
But even they make excuses.
And it's now reached the stage where it's ruining urban green spaces for everyone.
Generally there’s less turds lying around on pavements and fields than there was when I was a kid – people MOSTLY do the right things.
In the 70's and 80's it was awful. As was littering in general.
Things got better, but the huge rise in dog ownership and the social acceptability of not clearing up mean it's now worse than it ever was.
Most annoying thing is campers with guitars.
This +10000000
Most annoying thing is campers with guitars.
I think it’s quite legitimate, if someone gets a guitar out on a campsite, to smash it into tiny pieces then burn them
And so in true STW tradition a dog shitting on a campsite is now the fault of the hippie playing a guitar. Really do you always excuse your personal faults by highlighting others.
Seems a bit lenient to be honest but I’d go with that binners
Really do you always excuse your personal faults by highlighting others.
What personal faults ?.
As it goes I was chatting to a dog walker this morning on the narrow path this side of Aberdour when an absolute penis lycra clad **** came past with inches to spare. Pretty common occurrence tbh.
Cool story bro etc etc
Anyway, top marks always go to guitar w*nkers
Just try and see things from a different point of view.
Some are terrible owners but it’s a minority.
Dog hating threads are becoming boring.
My dogs are Tories as well.
The bags of shit chucked into the bushes in Heaton Park near me are depressingly numerous. Dirty ****ers.
I think it’s quite legitimate, if someone gets a guitar out on a campsite, to smash it into tiny pieces then burn them
Hear hear!
Burn the smashed guitar too.
Some are terrible owners but it’s a minority.
Dog hating threads are becoming boring.
No one has said they hate dogs.
So well done for getting that one in, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
What's becoming very, very tedious indeed is the refusal of owners to take responsibility.
And your inability to accept someone else's experience as true, or even acknowledge the possibility that it could be a problem is telling.
My dogs are Tories as well.
I bet they play the guitar too. Badly. The bastards!
You should hear them murdering “Hound Dog”
inability to accept
Have you been on STW before ?
plus Dogs on Beaches - WTF!
Why are they entitled to run around pooing everywhere; pissing on sand castles; frightening children; kicking sand into and trying to eat the picnic, consistently yapping and barking at each other and fighting!
It really is awful, if I did it I would be arrested. What is the attraction of letting your dog run around wild and out of control over having it on a lead at your side? If you like something keep it close surely?
Most annoying thing is campers with guitars.
I don't often agree wholeheartedly with one of your posts, but have a +10000 from me. 🙂
“ plus Dogs on Beaches – WTF!”
+1
The only thing I can think is that when you get a dog you must have to sign some agreement to stop giving a rats ass about anyone but yourself and also to defend all other dog owners even if they are clearly in the wrong. Happens out in the countryside and on here too.
This reminds me of a few years back on the campsite at ardrock, one utter waste of spunk who had half a dozen huskies, ****in things howled constantly, chained up the whole time, and each one dug a hole you could hide Gemma Collins in by the end of the weekend.
Complete bellend. 😂
Dogs aren't the problem - it's the owners. So you can either moan about dog shit/litter on an internet forum or be the change you want there to be and go do something about it.
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Bert generally clearing up after human ****s
I recently stayed at a campsite in Norfolk where the campsite owner let his dog crap everywhere! Big bear like thing aswell.
The only thing I can think is that when you get a dog you must have to sign some agreement to stop giving a rats ass about anyone but yourself and also to defend all other dog owners even if they are clearly in the wrong.
Can you quote anyone doing that, let alone all dog owners?
I think we’ve established, beyond any reasonable doubt, that dog-owning, camping guitarists are worse than Hitler
I hate trail dogs.
*Just trying to spice it up a bit more.
trail dogs
Cringe.
My experience is vastly different to yours
Mine is dogs in kids play areas with no dogs signage, poop on the playing field, being chased and nipped when running in the park. Dare to politely challenge and you get abuse.
Dog hating threads are becoming boring
It's the owners not the dogs
How many times have you heard "he's never done that before"?
How many times does the owner scarper after their dog worries sheep, bites another dog in the street/park etc?
How many times that stick and flick is ok?
How many times do we just put up with the trail hound curling one out in the middle of the path?
They don’t even pay road tax
OP, did you have a bell? If not, it's probably your fault. Silly, I know, but that's dog walkers logic.
I'm amazed at how many dog owners are able to see into the future... "he/she won't ever bite" Maybe/maybe not true but I'm not going to find out. I'll just pedal off faster than you and your dog who's now chasing me. No, I won't stop and find out if it will bite me. I'll just continue my ride while you look for your dog. #keep it on a lead.
Humans make way more mess than dogs ever will ! I’ve seen more badly behaved humans too all over 😉
What is it with dog owners adorning trees with little blue bags of shit?
I'd assumed it was to pick up on the way back out, so as to not lug a poo about for the walk.
Actually being as they seem to be there the next day perhaps it's a small brown offering to the gods of leaving crap behind.
very slight preference for guitar over bongos
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Oh yes, I hate dogs and the dicks that own them.
Should be banned unless you are a shepard.
We camp a lot with our dog and the last thing I'd be doing on a camp site is letting him off, even if there were no signs saying to keep him on a lead. Like you OP though, see it at almost every site we visit and I've never, ever seen it enforced.
Most annoying thing is campers with [s]guitars[/s] children.
Ftfy. 😉
Humans make way more mess than dogs ever will ! I’ve seen more badly behaved humans too all over 😉
So much this. Humans are kin animals!
They have the ability to consider their actions, but you know. Don't.
I have two dogs.
Things got better, but the huge rise in dog ownership and the social acceptability of not clearing up mean it’s now worse than it ever was
I don't think it's worse than it ever was - I can remember in the 70s and 80s there was sh!te all over the footpaths as well as the woods and grass areas. You couldn't ride your bike without collecting at least one. And I wouldn't say it's socially acceptable to not clear up after your dog, at least not round our way. If it is in your area then you really do have a problem, but I find it hard to believe that that really is the case.
Round here lots of people don't clear up after their dogs, to the point where I have to stop the kids running on the verges for the first 500m of a walk (dogs have normally emptied themselves by this point). It's pretty disgusting.
If people you know have dogs and make excuses for not clearing up then you need to hold them accountable, same for people you see in public not clearing up. We sometimes walk with friends who don't clear up after their dogs, when they stroll past their dogs business I offer them a bag and tell them to pick it up. I'd also do the same to a stranger but oddly enough never see a stranger doing that - which is why I don't think it's socially acceptable.
End of the day, people will be people and there's little you can do about it so it's really not worth getting up tight. That said, if you see it happening and don't pull people up then you have no real right to complain. Moaning after the fact on the internet won't do any good.
Genuinely think there is a kind of Dunning Kruger style effect whereby dog owners consistently see their own dog as being much more of a 'good dog' than the reality.
Though it is very noticeable round here (Arnside) that most people are 'proper' long time dog owners who take their responsibilities seriously (and probs have the time/resources to do so). My experience elsewhere is very much different.
Oh yes, I hate dogs and the dicks that own them.
Should be banned unless you are a shepard
Aren't you the guy that claims everyone should be able to do whatever they want on covid threads?
We camp with our dogs and not a chance I'd let them off the lead (unless zipped up with us on a night). They'd be straight in to everyone else's tents to see what food was lying around!
We were away the other week and their was the typical fat, old bloke with an aversion to wearing a top with black lab never on a lead. Kept on wandering over to our pitch and around the windbreak winding our dogs up. Heard him shout over to someone else at one point "he won't hurt you". I was just psyching myself up to go and have a polite word and the torrent of abuse that I was about to get when I saw them packing up to leave. Got away with that one as I hate confrontation.
I suspect the thing is that the type of dog owners who let dogs off their lead at the park/beach/campsite knowing they will likely do antisocial stuff are the same ones who can't be arsed walking them enough, so letting them off the lead is the best way of getting them to run off some steam with minimal effort.
As a 'Responsible' dog owner that always has plenty of poo bags, if I see abandoned dog eggs where I deem them inappropriate, if i just tut and walk on does that make me as bad as the person that let their dog crap their or should I pick it up after them?
Ours is also always on one of those spiral ground screw things when we're camping as I know full well he'd wander off. Other folks dogs winding my dog up pisses me off, just because we have a dog doesn't make it ok for yours to come wandering into our van & awning. Sod Off!
(is that STW grumpy enough?)
Stayed on a campsite earlier in the summer. Spent the whole weekend plagued by the sounds of 90's dance music coming from a group of rotund sunburnt blokes with mountainbikes, a T5 and one of those massive "event shelters".
You're not F*** Tiesto you fat T.
They didn't have a dog, so obviously, all non-dog owners on campsites are ignorant B******.
They didn’t have a dog, so obviously, all non-dog owners on campsites are ignorant B******.
Whataboutery, cool.
a group of rotund sunburnt blokes with mountainbikes, a T5
What are their usernames?
Pfft, OP you think you have problems....
We recently had a group of campers arrive on our local football field. They decided to tow their caravan and tents up on the field with their shiny 4x4's and transits. They then started to discard their rubbish around the perimeter of the football field and defecate in the bushes and paths. None of them cleared up the rubbish they left and the human faeces they left was shocking, can you imagine how a friends young daughter felt after getting covered in the stuff?
Why can't humans and campers in particular clean up after themselves? None of them take responsibility for the mess they leave. Have we reached peak human/camper numbers and when will this insanity end?
Genuinely think there is a kind of Dunning Kruger style effect whereby campers consistently see their own as being much more of a ‘good human’ than the reality.
Whataboutery, cool.
Don't make assumptions and generalize my sarcastic argument, not all arguments are irresponsible.
Don’t make assumptions and generalize
You are very much on the wrong thread
I cant be the only one thinking these threads are an own goal for cyclists
As a ‘Responsible’ dog owner that always has plenty of poo bags, if I see abandoned dog eggs where I deem them inappropriate, if i just tut and walk on does that make me as bad as the person that let their dog crap their or should I pick it up after them?
You're worse than Hitler. Expect notification of your ejection from the association of pie themed usernames imminently
As a ‘Responsible’ dog owner that always has plenty of poo bags, if I see abandoned dog eggs where I deem them inappropriate, if i just tut and walk on does that make me as bad as the person that let their dog crap their or should I pick it up after them?
Moral dilemma! I wonder the same sometimes, especially when tip toeing through a minefield of turds to pick up after my dogs, but the sheer volume of unbagged crap deters me. I have picked up a few by mistake (cold and clammy) before finding the right one (warm and smelling of pot pourri)
Why can’t humans and campers in particular clean up after themselves?
I mean, I'm confused by all the layers of sarcasm going on now, but aren't there threads all the time saying exactly this? And no one gets all up in arms and says NOT ALL HUMANS
Isnt the real problem that camping is a bit shit in general? You have to mix with other people who may do stuff you dont like (dogs / guitars / techno). Either camp away from other humans or get a nice B&B.
There are all manner of inconsiderate people on camp sites, not just dog owners.
@blackflag yup pretty much which is why they’re grumpy buggers, as they try to kid themselves it was definitely worth it. Sitting in a field with noisy neighbours, people pissing in the hedge as it’s too far to walk to the toilet, “oooh the cloud will pass it’s just a shower”, “it’s only a few midgies”, “anyone for another pot noodle?”. All dog owners fault of course.
“it’s only a few midgets”
Did the supreme being make an appearance too? that'd be a camping trip to remember....
I think the problem is that most (not all) dog owners don't realise that the rest of us don't love their animal as much as they do. My son and his friends stopped playing in the local park for three months after an aggressive dog chased their football and burst it. It frightened the life out of them. Of course, when I went down with them and kicked it in the muzzle when it tried it again, I was the villain according to the owner.