[Closed] Dogs inside eating establishments

Question: if dogs/cats are so unhygenic then why isn't it clearly established that dog/cat owners suffer worse health?

(Answer: cos it's bollocks, that's why.)

8/10 with the potential to go higher. Put some more generalisations in, touch more hyperbole, perhaps go in on the cat owners a bit harder?

I blame the parents>teachers>police, in that order.

And all Cats are total *****

We have two fave cafes we use for lunch when feeling lazy. One is strictly no dogs (they claim their open kitchen and hygiene rules are the reason).  They are also no laptops.

The other has a 'dog customer' gallery on the wall, dogs get made a fuss of, they get their own small bowl of scraps, and they have an open kitchen too 🤷🏻‍♂️

Don't have an issue with either approach, they've decided what customers they want to attract, and we go to both.

I’d ban children from restaurants long before dogs.

speaking as a parent, and not a dog owner, I would second this.

I blame the parents>teachers>police, in that order.

You missed Thatcher.

Question: if dogs/cats are so unhygenic then why isn’t it clearly established that dog/cat owners suffer worse health?

(Answer: cos it’s bollocks, that’s why.)

again, speaking as a parent, and a cat owner, my cats have never made me sick (maybe a few flees once). The kids on the other hand…

let’s just ban humans. Much better idea.

Oscar causing even more chaos in the dog friendly area in a bar on Newcastle Quayside. He didn’t get thrown out but a gobby human did he thought the whole bar needed to hear his over inflated opinions.

scruff9252
Full Member
Hygiene issues aside, if you are scared of dogs, why do you expect the dog owners to do anything to accommodate your irrational fear?

No thanks for that statement.

This subject was brought up by two of my neighbours. They've both decided as have I that they won't be going into anymore of the small cafes we have in our small town that allow dogs. But, we agree that dogs outside, in pubs (where most of them are asleep) are fine.

I walked out of the cafe where the two dog owners thought it was fine to let their sopping wet dogs shake themselves off all over the customers, and unless you've been living on another planet, it's rained a lot lately.

Oh and Drac yes I didn't for one moment expect you to understand and yes I will 'pop' off somewhere else thanks.

It didn't help that a few weeks ago hubby and I were sharing a carrot cake with dog hairs in the cake and topping.

Oh and Drac yes I didn’t for one moment expect you to understand and yes I will ‘pop’ off somewhere else thanks.

I do understand thanks but there are options for those who don’t want to be with dogs. Thanks for your judgement though.

there are options for those who don’t want to be with dogs

Sometimes there aren't. Brighton vs Balachullish 🙂

8/10 with the potential to go higher. Put some more generalisations in, touch more hyperbole, perhaps go in on the cat owners a bit harder?

😀 great thread so far, cheered me right up on a wet winter.... spring day

I think stw missed a trick with the Gaza thread, should have made it a no holds barred free for all, anything goes, swearing, insults, death threats, but in that thread alone. Would make great lunchtime reading....

I’ve not got a dog (or child) in this race, but I’ve encountered more breaking of rule #1 from ‘regular punters’ in pubs than owners of dogs or kids. And I think you have probably too.

RM.

3 barks and you're out

a dog is no less clean than a human

Not sure about that, I don't know if any humans that will happily kick their own ass or genitals and then kick their owners hands/face etc

But at least indoors they are under control or on a lead unlike most times in the countryside

It didn’t help that a few weeks ago hubby and I were sharing a carrot cake with dog hairs in the cake and topping.

That Heston Blumenthal has a lot to answer for.

Dogs know no better.

There's a surprising number of men and women who don't wash up after visiting the bathroom and return to their meal, they do know better.

I walked out of the cafe where the two dog owners thought it was fine to let their sopping wet dogs shake themselves off all over the customers

Is that the dogs' fault? And, tbf, it does sound slightly like you are exaggerating there as it sounds like very unusual behaviour. But if that *did* happen, the fault lies entirely with the owners who would undoubtedly find ways to be equally obnoxious if without a dog.

This thread has restored my faith and love of STW…the forum had been a bit stale and boring for a while … and then bam 💥 this beauty drops in.

Please continue I have 15 minutes left of my late lunch hour

I'm sure there are some inconsiderate owners with badly behaved dogs, but I've not encountered any in our favourite local cafe which is dog-friendly. In deciding where to sit I'm more careful to avoid children who are more frequently a noisy nuisance. Luckily there's rarely more than one family, and two separate rooms to sit in. However I don't think the cafe owners should ban children either.

I don’t mind being in a cafe/pub with dogs. My son (9yo) has an irrational fear of dogs so he’s not keen but if the dog is behaving it’s not a problem.

I was recently in a pub/restaurant for lunch with friends lots of kids and a dog (not mine). The kids had lots of bowls of chips. At the end of the meal the dog owner scoops up all the left over chips into one bowl and places it under the table for the dog. I had a laugh about it my wife was disgusted 🤣

Dogs are awesome. People are dicks.

I found a human hair in my scone a few weeks back, need to ban anyone who isn’t bald from cafes. Even seen some one with wet hair dripping on the seats, disgusting.

Back in the day we had smoking and non-smoking sections of the restaurant - should we reintroduce that but for "dogs" and "non-dogs" - I'm sure there'll be some great comedy signs for that.

Also, I've no idea where this feeding the dog from the table is terrible has come from - I've had dogs all my life, as have my parents, as did my grandparents. I can remember my nan feeding the dogs bits from the table, and most of these dogs were ex-service dogs, so VERY well behaved, and to me, feeding bits from the table has always been normal.

https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/off_belay/annoying_idiots_with_dogs_in_pubs-230825

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4558458-dogs-in-pubs

https://forums.horseandhound.co.uk/threads/dogs-in-pubs.836878/

Dogs and fags stink just the same. We've been househunting lately, and jeez, you can tell a dog lives there the second they open the door.

**** dog owners

Dry your eyes😂

These cause sickness and diarrhoea in people. Human turds have roughly none, if you’re healthy, and sheep turds only a few tens of spores

So we can all start bringing our sheep to restaurants and let them shit all over the place? Happy days

Because, and this may come as a shock to you, some people are just dicks

And some of them own dogs.

Not sure about that, I don’t know if any humans that will happily kick their own ass or genitals and then kick their owners hands/face etc

Not many can reach tbf

Dogs in a restaurant?   I walk straight back out.  Used to be illegal and rightly so.  If i have ordered a meal its not being paid for.

Always astonishing how every stwers dog is impeccably behaved yet the reality is that very few are.  The reason fir this disparity is that actully what you think of as acceptable behaviour is not.

Munrobiker is correct about disease  dogs also stink.  You dont notice because your nose adapts.

Fortunately the vast majorities of eateries do not allow digs so its rarely an issue.

that’s why I’ve written that the DOG OWNERS let their dogs shake themselves over the customers.
So if the owners are responsible and the dogs are well-behaved, all is good then?

Well, I'm only ever eating in restaurants that allow dogs from this point onwards 😀

The more I meet people, the more I prefer meeting dogs. Especially on trains  or in public establishments inc... eateries.

Now if you can ban people from where I go, that would be great.

I'm sure I've had to ensure a lot more smelly unpleasant people than dogs in public in my life.

Just showing how selfish dog owners are.  🤣

Surely it isn’t hygienic either (after watching the serving staff stroke and let dogs lick their hands).

I suspect someone will have said this already, but that's the staff being unhygienic rather than the dog. It's not as if  the dog has forced them to pet it. They're probably quite capable of other unpleasantness when they're not in public view too. That's poor staff etiquette / training / behaviour.

I don't have particularly strong feelings on well-behaved dogs in restaurants and caffs  either way. As long as they don't bite me or race around causing havoc, I'm quite happy. Same goes for kids. But I'd rather waiting staff didn't stick their hands in their mouths during service, dogs or kids.

Cats on the other hand. And owls. No thanks.

** Used to be illegal and rightly so.**
I'm not aware of any law regarding this, but yes, establishments used to be stricter about it. Likewise, in the past, many bars wouldn't allow single females to enter or, if they did, they had to sit at a table and have their male companion buy them a drink and bring it to them.

Times change.

Fortunately the vast majorities of eateries do not allow digs so its rarely an issue.

Well thats end of thread then. TJ has spoken!

Because, and this may come as a shock to you, some people are just dicks
And some of them own dogs.

And some of them post on STW

(yes yes, hello Mr Pot, I'm Mr Kettle, pleased to meet you and all that)

Used to be illegal 

source?

🤣🤣🤣 you just knew tj would be along with a balanced and nuanced take at some point!

I’m in pubs a LOT more often than I should be but I can’t recall the last time I encountered a badly-behaved dog. Maybe the only pubs I choose are actually full of STW readers?

Scotroutes - interesting what defines badly behaved? Barking? Barking when waiter comes/goes?  Barking when another dog arrives?  Rushing up to every new arrival in the pub?  Wandering away from own table to say hello to other customers?   Sniffing around at people on the next table across?  Affectionately wiping its wet chops on the customer at the next table?  Putting paws on other customers?  Leaping around excitedly and knocking over drinks?  Getting in the way of waiters carrying hot food?  Ignoring its owners so that they are shouting at Fido constantly?

I've experienced all of those in my life - perhaps its only one bad experience a year - but enough to make me prejudiced!  Definitely worse if there's more than one dog in the place.   I think a lot of dog owners think that many of those things are part of the charm of their pet.  The "he's just saying hello" argument.  I quite like a dog and in a quiet country pub would enjoy patting the friendly local dog and some of the things on that list.  If I'm eating dinner - not so much.  Barking / growling not keen.   Its not a problem every time you go somewhere with dogs - but my gut feel is it is worse in the sort of place that campervans etc go - and is worse since covid (more dogs, more people taking dogs "camping").

As for certain people who call a dislike or fear of dogs irrational – well there were 9,000 people admitted to hospital in 20/21 in the UK for dog bites. Think about that, these are people actually admitted to hospital. 3000 of those needed reconstructive surgery. How many people went to A&E and were simply treated and sent home. How many didn’t even report it and treated themselves?

Winston - I think your point was reasonably but the numbers seem surprising IF "admitted" means kept overnight?  I wonder if that just means were treated at hospital? The 3000 needing surgery also seems huge - that's basically 10 a day somewhere in the UK - again I wonder if that means "got stitches" or similar?

Live and let live FFS. Unless they’re actually behaving badly in which case complain just like you would if they were kids of football fans.

Which being british means say nothing at the time and then grumble on the internet - hence the thread!

Ha! Tony Robinson will have the last word, he's quite adept at digging holes.

TJ who? Never heard of him....

<i>Glances at new patio....</i>

Edit: Doh! Threads moving too fast

Oh and just to call total and utter bollocks on anyone confidently posting facts/figures on dog bites etc.  There is no definitive or accurate data in this area unfortunately (currently working an a research project in this area).

*Oh and just to call total and utter bollocks on anyone confidently posting facts/figures on dog bites etc.*
Has anyone done that?

I'd happily go to an eatery that let owls in.  You'd be a twit not to.

See the quote in the post a few above mine

Checked the law.  Illegal where food is stored or prepared or handled.   This used to be taken as including restaurants dining rooms.   Now its not.

 dogs also stink.  You dont notice because your nose adapts.

I don't have a dog, so wouldn't have "adapted", but I encounter more smelly humans than canines - and that's before we get on to the subject of douche-flutes and stoners.

 but my gut feel is it is worse in the sort of place that campervans etc go

You campervanist ! Shame on  you

Just back from France last week. Ate in a few restaurants where they had their own restaurant dog! An absolute joy, no one died, everyone who likes dogs had a wee pet of them and the haters ignored them. One place even had a restaurant cat!

Neither my dog nor my children are very well trained, so I try not to assume everybody else wants to get too close, and frankly I enjoy my coffee more without them

I do sometimes have a muddy arse though

@poly - the only one of those behaviours I've seen recently* would be a dog barking when another enters and that was only for a few seconds. Of course, I also tend to go to the sort of places that campervanners go.

* and that I can recall given my advancing years 🙂

Dogs have been going to pubs for ever and day. A dog taking it's owner to the pub in olden times*...

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(*may be a modern recreation! 🙂 )

I love dogs... but no longer live with dogs.

That last point is important, because it means I can really smell dogs, in a way dog owners can't.

So, for me, it's dogs just inside the door in cafes (better for them as well), wherever you want in pubs (including head on my lap drooling at me... please, bring 'em over to say hello properly)... but anywhere people are out for a proper meal (curryhouse, Italian, whatever)... keep the smells out for the rest of us... pretty please.

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**** dog owners

Lol

What a strange thread

I’ll say this.

The world basically only works with tolerance.

This is a cycling forum. Lots of people hate cyclists. Lots of people justify this hatred by taking examples of poor cyclist behaviour to justify their views on cyclists. I rely on other people’s tolerance to be able to cycle on and off road.

I wonder if the stink is one of those things only some folk can smell?  To me all dogs stink like a pseudomonas infection.  Ie utterly vile and vomit inducing.  Some a little and some a lot but they all stink

Can't say I can recall the last time I saw a badly behaved dog in a pub/cafe, or even a pub garden. Owners round here seem sensible. One of the best local cafes round here is attached to a kennels next to a popular dog walking route, occasionally a dog will bark at another but they soon settle down.

Admittedly I'm not bothered by dogs.

Hygiene wise, I'd sooner staff stroked a dog rather than touched a high chair. Kids can be foul and I love mine.

Many cafes round us seem to have admitted dogs since lockdown - clearly they make more money from dog owners than they lose from dog haters, and several places are dog free if you want to avoid them.

Ate in a few restaurants where they had their own restaurant dog! An absolute joy, no one died, everyone who likes dogs had a wee pet of them and the haters ignored them. One place even had a restaurant cat!

There's a Cat Cafe in Leeds (with lots and lots of cats) and a Chihuahua Lounge in Harrogate. I am sure there are loads more all over the UK.

Liverpool and [del]Manchester[/del], for starters.

EDIT : Manchester one didn't survive covid. Shame.

tjagain

Full Member

I wonder if the stink is one of those things only some folk can smell? To me all dogs stink like a pseudomonas infection. Ie utterly vile and vomit inducing. Some a little and some a lot but they all stink

Lola smells of Doritos. Particularly her feet. Delicious