[Closed] Dogs biting

"Vocal" discussion with the owner about muzzling her precious little darling!

Either take picture with camera phone of dog and owner then alert rozzers or else kick the dog and spray the owner with your water bottle

Depending how angry you feel

stamp on it's head, the owners that is

A water pistol filled with isopropyl alcohol should do the trick.

Squirted into the eyes it should work on the dog or the owner.

If a dog can attack you, next time it could take a chunk out of an innocent child.

Since no serious damage done, just a stern talking to (the owner) would seem to be the proportionate response.

Maybe kick the dog.

What happens when it's your own dog!! 😳

Mine does that for the first half mile of every ride before he get bored with it!

Not sure what you can do really, a guy I ride with had some rigid carbon forks 'punctured' by a mutt a while ago!!

OK, as a dog owner, I'd say you'd be right to give the dog a good kicking. If my dog bit someone while out, it certainly wouldn't go unpunished from me and I'd perfectly understand it if the 'bitee' kicked the dog!
Any dog that bites someone should be reported as they are not suitable to be out unmuzzled or off the lead and the owners aren't suitable to have them out that way.

kick the owner and then tell them why you kicked them instead of the dog. Seems fairly obvious to me.

I took our dog for a walk today in a nearby park. There was this woman walking a lurcher and a mastif (on leads) and then this old chap with a collie (not on a lead) came through. The collie saw the other dogs and the mastif went bonkers and dragged the woman half way across the park while the old fellah tried to catch the collie who thought this was the best game ever.

Eventually the old bloke caught the collie and leashed it but the woman ripped into him like mad, she was properly screaming at him.

here's my take on the matter.

If you can't control your dog, it's not the right dog for you. So by that reckoning the mastif was too much dog for the woman because it was stronger than her and the collie was too much for the old bloke because it was a zillion times faster than him. They were both wrong and I am right. Bingo.zippo. alu numni bang!

samuri - you ROCK, factoid.

They were both wrong and I am right. Bingo.zippo. alu numni bang!

thanks for the info people. seems like give the dog a kick and the owner a shouting. good stuff.

I would suggest that it would depend on how you overtook the dog and its owners. Slow and steady is best. Not saying you did but if you went tearing past and the dog bit you out of fear its partly your fault. No point kicking the dog after its happend, kick it whilst its happening, then kick the owner after.

I like dogs so usually stop and say hello to them, never been bitten

If the dog is off leash and 'out of control', there is probably an offence being committed. If the dog attacks you (which it did) then it is pretty damned clear and you'd be well within your rights to call the police. Mitigating circumstances might have been if you rode by close and quick without warning. However, the dog should be under control if this sort of thing startles it.

carry on riding

Not under owners control, needs action, certainly while it has shown the ability to be aggressive.

I hate numpty dog owners whose "pets" are uncontrolled. They're (the dogs)as dangerous as the so called "dangerous dogs". Lots of dogs don't like bikes, bikes generate noises which disturb them, and that we can't hear, but if an animal is in a public place, then the owner needs to have it under control.

I'm not anti dog, I own a dog (a staffordshire bull terrier) but have the dog trained to return when called, and get thoroughly sick of those fückers whose rats are not trained, and come nipping at my dog when she's on a lead. Whereas if I let my dog roam around, they'd be onto the police pretty quickly. Double standards of fücking daily fail readers.

I know it doesn't make a difference, but what make of dog was it?
In my experience, its collie's who seem the worst . Been barked at , 'herded up ' and nipped at by collie's. They seem clever and some are very, very friendly. something about bikes seems to make them angry. Had words with the last owners about controlling their dog , children on bikes etc .
NB. Not saying all collies are dangerous, biting anti-cycling dogs.
I have had the most trouble with them, thats all.

Lots of dogs don't like bikes, bikes generate noises which disturb them, and that we can't hear, but if an animal is in a public place, then the owner needs to have it under control.

which is all true but if you dont want to get bitten its best to hide behind common sense rather than the law.... not suggesting this applies to OP.......i wasnt there

[b]Missingfrontlobe[/b] - Couldn't have put it better myself.

I too have a Staffie well trained, great with people, kids & bikes. Always walked 3-4 times a day, well behaved and on a lead (Not leash - You Americans..). It's the irresponsible owners, who let their dogs roam free that cause the trouble, the moment they run up to Moses (my dog) he puts himself between them and either the wife or the kids.

In all walks of life there are irresponsible, dumb folk - most of which shouldn't be allowed to have a dog, or kids for that matter......

If a dog bites you, bite the owner. It's their fault 😯

[i]off leash[/i]

It's a LEAD. (unless you're American)

Kick the dog, then kick the owner if they complain.

Report it to the police. Give as much identification as you can regarding both the dog and the owner. They may well be regulars in the area.

Kick dog until it's put off, try and get name / address from owner, report to police. If it's done it before they may put it down and do everyone a favour.

If a dog starts nipping at you while riding just stop suddenly, put your feet down and don't look at the dog, just ignore it. They very quickly loose interest in you. Most dogs that I've come across aren't nipping at you because they actually want to hurt you, they just get very over excited by cyclists for some reason. Kicking at it will just make them even more excited (I've tried many times with my dog who loves trying to untie my shoelaces on every ride, a habit we are slowly getting ot top of I'm happy to say!) Stopping will also make it easy to have a word with the owner if you feel that you have been scared by the dog or the dog has done some damage to you or your bike and/or let the owner catch the dog to put the lead on. Trying to pedal faster will just make the dog even more tempted to follow you!

I've had to get past some very nasty threatening dogs while riding in Italy and getting of the bike, walking past slowly looking the opposite direction has worked very well so far!

A friend of mine was riding along, and got nipped by a dog 'oh that's the first time he's ever done that' says the owner.
'you said that when he bit me last week, too'

Look into my eyes, look into my eyes, the eyes, the eyes, not around the eyes, don't look around my eyes, look into my eyes, you're under.

say that to any dog and you'll be fine!!!

If not run to the hills 😉

I heard a theory once that what pisses dogs off about bikes is mainly to do with the noise a spoke makes as it turns through the air, could be why No Discerning tastes suggestion of stopping may help, removes the nasty stimulus that the dog doesn't like.

I subscribe to the ride faster method of evasion myself.

I'm a dog owner and love the things. But if a dog goes for me whether I'm on or off the bike I'll hoof the f**cker in the chest and shout at the top of my voice at it. If the owner's any sort of owner they'll agree with you. Dog obviously needs boundaries.

I think being the human we need to use the grey matter here and use some common sense, as said before don't think its OK just to fly up and past a dog and think its OK to do so! some dogs get angry when startled etc and if your going slower and say excuse me the owner so they can get a hold of the dog before you pass them then no harm done. Yes some dogs should not be off the lead in public or rural pathways, but if a dog tries give you a nipp stop and don't be confrontational, let the owner get hold of the dog and then have a proper word with the owner. As always some people wont want to know and just tell you where to go or worse.

Having said that I have a friend who sometimes comes biking with me and his attitude stinks to all dogs and other trail/path users in general and thinks everyone should get out off his way regardless of any situation and that includes cycle paths. He will swing a kick at a dog just for walking past him, a real disgrace/embarrassment!

I have and like dogs and my dog comes out with me when I go MTBing. Its the owners who need a good bollocking at when there dog is out of control! And don't get me started on the stupid parents that let there children go nuts and let them scare, hit and chase dogs sometimes and then say oh that dog could eaten my child!

Hmmmm, TBH I don't really care why a dog goes for me or what I can do to put it off. The owner should keep it under control and not let it attack other trail users.

Dog bites = Dog booted. No questions it will be kicked if I have to chase it till I get it. Little stinky sods!

Well in Scotland the country access code says that all trail users should be courteous and slow, stop or dismount if appropriate when passing others and that includes dog walkers, seems like good sense to me and its the LAW. Not sure what other parts of the UK's policy's are but manners cost nothing and the trail does not belong to any one user.

We have two big-ish dogs and I really like dogs (not sure that I love them!). I run and cycle most days and come across dogs all the time. I also did did a short course in the services on dealing with dogs. The dogs seem to know this so I get very little trouble. But my experience is that a proportional approach is usually appropriate. I agreed that stopping is the right thing and then I turn to the dog and if appropriate/possible go to it in a pretty firm manner get over it (by now nearly all are backing off) and go for its head/neck only once have I needed to get it by the scruff and knee/kneel on its head neck whilst raising my voice! Apparently what a dominant dog would do. Good luck

If anyone kicked my dog, I'd thump them.

waynekerr - Member

If anyone kicked my dog, I'd thump them.

If your dog was out of control and bit me, it would deserve it - and so would you.

Think of a dog as a reincarnated roadie cyclist, as they hate us mountainbikers as roadies,when they come back as dogs they still remember.

Or,

Carry a larg brightly coloured bin bag,when dog attacks you,pick up dog, and place in bag,pulverise dog and then throw the bag containing brown coloured dog into nearest tree, it will then save the owner years of throwing dog turd bags into the sanme tree.

Sherry - and it also says dogs should be under control.

If a dog bites me its getting booted until it stops. Depending on the situation it might well get reported to the police for destruction

As for the suggestion that you should stop if a dog bites you to avoid frightening the dog - how ridiculous.

I had a puppy off the lead try to bite me. I booted it under the chin - enough to make it yelp but not enough to damage it. The owner could not control it despite calling it and the dog chased me - I looped back round to the owner so she could catch the dog and gave her a right mouthful - telling her she was lucky it was a pup or else it wpould be being reported and that she should train it properly. I would have been perfectly within my rights just to ride off and the dog would have been lost.

We all have the right to go about our business unbothered by dogs. if the dog chases bikes or anything else or cannot be trusted to behave then it should be on a lead.

A dog owner who allows their dog to bite can be and has been prosecuted. Think carefully dog owners - dog under control - its a non issue. dog chasing and barking and biting - you are breaking the law and could be prosecuted and the dog put down

I see the usual braindead internet hardmen are in the house....

Sod it, I'd call the cops and then sue the owner-I enjoy taking money from Dog owners and car drivers who injure for being stupid.

I sued a dog owner 5 yrs ago as her huge dog went for me while I was on the road and made me crash then jumped on me-the thing weighed a ton.

My bike was brand new so I got a new £2000 bike and claimed injuries from the crash and took her to the cleaners. I have no regrets.

Shouldnt dogs have some sort of Union representation,to defend them from malicious humans.

Wheres TJ when you want him.

I have a bruise on my shin at the moment as a result of a leg/pedal interface after a dog chased after me and tried to nip at my ankles and I had to do an emergency stop to avoid running it over. Sadly I think these incidents are on the increase and it becomes on all too regular occurance to be hunted down and attacked by some idiot's pooch.

I find it grossly ignorant and insulting on the part of the owners.

I've yet to see an owner discipline a dog which has had a go at me. Apologies are rare (the ower of that last dog above did actually do so), abuse from the owner quite often follows and on one occasion one of these idiot owners even tried to punch me after I tried to ward off his Jack Russel's attacks by clocking it with my front wheel. The dog had been trying to bite me for about a minute without him doing anything to stop it.

I do not like killing things but I think it would provide me with some personal satisfaction if I were to shoot one of these bloody things whilst it was launching an attack.

Has anyone tried a deliberate policy of running them over when they do attack?

Never been bitten, but have been chased once and on that occasion I used the go faster method 🙂 I don't think I'd be comfortable kicking a dog in the face intentionally, but in the heat of the moment you can see why people might do it to stop the attack - especially if they are afraid of dogs.

For the people recommending stopping and asserting themselves; you know how to behave with dogs, that response just isn't going to happen from someone who's scared. A riding buddy hates dogs (but isn't cruel to them) and ironically has been bitten several times while riding. There is no way on earth you'd get him to stop when there's a dog about.

Edit for matey above, the same bloke has actually run over a dog as well, totally by accident. We do tell him that the bites are some kind of organised retribution 🙂

Thinking about it.............

In a different life I was once running after a criminal who had crashed a stolen car into somebody's house. I was with several others and we were all doing our bit to catch this man when a less than bright police dog handler unleashed his dog behind us. I was told later that this dog had a bad/good?? reputation for biting people. The dog came racing into the middle of us eyeing us up and ignoring the criminal sprinting ahead of us. The dog was definately looking to bite someone, but was obviously confused by the number of potential targets to bite. One of my friends had the good sense to yell "Sit" and the dog did so immediately. The humans then succesfully retrieved the criminal.

Maybe yell "SIT" is the order of the day

I have never been biten by a dog and would think most of you just need to man up and face down the dog rather than posting on internet forums about your prowes at kicking dogs, whilst no doubt sipping on warm milk whilst mummy tells your its all better.

Our kitten bites people. I haven't kicked it yet though.

Another Collie attack yesterday. Was out on my local loop when these 3 girls with a youngish collie walk across prob 50 meters away. I am not aiming at them , as I am on a parrallel track. Collie drops its haunches, tail drops, body drops and comes straight at me. I unclip . and come to stop, as the collie circles.
The girls had to come and grab it in the end as it stayed just out of boot range, barking. I told them if it is disobediant and won't come when called it should be on lead.

druidh - Member
Report it to the police. Give as much identification as you can regarding both the dog and the owner. They may well be regulars in the area.

+10

the next time it could be a child.

AA - you are the one being ridiculous - I have been bitten twice by dogs when out cycling so wtf do you know?- get off your bike and face down a biting dog - don't be absurd. If the owner has not controlled and trained the dog then a swift boot might do so. No way on earth am I stopping and taking the risk of being bitten more. Boot the dog and it may learn that biting cyclists hurts.

Note several dog owners on this thread agree with this approach. I am not talking about maiming the dog but making sure it know who is boss and that biting cyclists hurts

billyboy - Member

Has anyone tried a deliberate policy of running them over when they do attack?

Might depend on size of dog (or owner), this labrador type dog caused chaos in the TDF a few years ago

Admittedly dog hit bike, rather than bike hitting dog, but there is another incident where bike hits dog, and rider doesn't come out that well either.

Fat knacker labrador compeltley pretzels the front wheel, must have been made out of stone - little fücker gets up unhurt and walks away too!!

 

Collie drops its haunches, tail drops, body drops and comes straight at me. I unclip . and come to stop, as the collie circles.

So in other words dog ran towards you and nothing bad happend, who gives a ****, a disobidient dog isnt great but its not a huge drama. From your description the collie genes kicked in and it wanted to round you up as long as your dont start acting like a sheep and try to get away you'll be fine.

I have been bitten twice by dogs when out cycling so wtf do you know?

I know I havent ever been bitten by a dog and that includes separting dogs fighting in the park on a number of occasions recently. Your current actions seem to be driven by fear and dont seem to be working for you too well.

If the dog bites can we bite back? or bite the owner?

😈

AA - bollox - both times the dog attacked without warning. No chance to do anything - no warning no barking or growling - just one moment cycling along the next a dog fastened to my ankle.

I wouldn't kick the dog until it bit

What you dog owners fail to understand is the rest of us have a right to go about are lives unbothered by your dog. Control it or accept the consequences - of which a booted dog is the least. Want to be in court? Want the dog put down? Want to be paying dsamages?

You are responsible for your dog.

AA = Cock .
FACT

TandemJeremy, you quite clearly don't have or like dogs and that's up to you. I do feel your approach is all wrong though. My dog has never bitten anyone but she can get a little exited as dogs do but is under control. I have had people swing kicks at her when she's been out biking with me for no other reason than her going up to them and even try to mow her down because they don't want to slow down. This is completely unacceptable and I make sure I get an apology even if that means chasing them down!

I have been bitten myself very recently of some Jack Russell's and while it is annoying, kicking it would just be over reacting and it is the owners fault anyway. I would only ever kick a dog as a last resort in self defence if I thought the dog could inflict some serous damage.

I have to say kicking a pup is pretty low its hardly going to savage you is it? If people slow down/stop when approaching dogs and owners (which is what your meant to do) it can make a big difference to the dogs behaviour and preventing anything silly happening. If you don't slow/stop then get a nipp you are part to blame and have no right feel aggrieved. If someone actually did kick my dog and it would need to be a very very good reason, if not I would be aiming a kick straight back at the person who did it. Thankfully this has never happened though, maybe being 6'5" has something to do with that? lol

You are responsible for your dog.

I'm well aware of that, but the point your apparently tiny mind cannot cope with is that I am not able to be reposnible or control other peoples dogs and so insead of trying to kick any dog that runs up to me uninvited or wave a letter from my solicitor under its nose or scream and swear at the owner, I take steps to prevent it biting me. Waving my foot at it isnt the best way of doing this.

AA = Cock .
FACT

singletrackmind = internet hardman, gosh I'm trembling in fear.

AA - you are the one being the internet hardman and a complete cock. No one has said the things that you claim they are. Your dog has no rights and I have a right to go about my lawful business without your dog bothering me in any way.

sherry - the pup drew blood before I did anything to it - and I had warned the owner I was riding past. Because it was a pup I merely gave the owner a bollocking - I didn't report it for destruction.

My dog has never bitten anyone but she can get a little exited as dogs do but is under control. I have had people swing kicks at her when she's been out biking with me for no[b] other reason than her going up to them [/b]and even try to mow her down because they don't want to slow down.

That is not a dog under control - this is what you fail to see. A dog should not be going up to strangers uninvited. Get your dog under control or on a lead or accept the consequences. If it was under control then people would not be swinging kicks at it.

No one has said the things that you claim they are.

Any chance of saying that in english?

Your dog has no rights and I have a right to go about my lawful business without your dog bothering me in any way.

Of course you do, but the at the risk of labouring the point that you seem unable to understand, my dog has never and will never bite you so I couldnt care less about your macho bluster. However you do seem to be having a disproportionate number of problems with dogs which is not suprising if you act towards them the way you describe here.

Your dog has no rights

not true, she is my property so if someone damaged her it would be illegal

You are saying people have made statements that they have not made. is that any clearer?

its not macho bluster - I am trying to get into your head that your attitude is is wrong - morally and legally

You accept I have the right to go about my business unbotherd by a dog - but you also state that people should stop and get off their bike if a dog is around.

The dog should be under control - bottom line. Damaging a diog in self defence is not offence at all - infact tits the other way round - allowing your dog out of control is an offence

she can get a little exited as dogs do but is under control. I have had people swing kicks at her when she's been out biking with me for no other reason than her going up to them

If your dog comes up on me, then either you let it or it is out of control. If I haven't invited the dog to me, then it is out of control. I don't know whether your dog is friendly and, frankly, why should I have to? It is your remit to keep it under control.

You are saying people have made statements that they have not made. is that any clearer?

Yes much clearer, care to give an example though.

You accept I have the right to go about my business unbotherd by a dog - but you also state that people should stop and get off their bike if a dog is around.

care to show where I said that?
You can do what you like of course, however I expect dogs will carry on biting you.

I have the right to go about my business unbothered by horses also, however if one is around I slow down or stop and show a bit of consideration to other people. You can run about complaining to the the law about dogs bothering you all you like. It wont stop dogs bothering you though.

I have never been biten by a dog and would think most of you just need to [b]man up and face down the dog[/b] rather than posting on internet forums about your prowes at kicking dogs, whilst no doubt sipping on warm milk whilst mummy tells your its all better.

so insead of trying to kick any dog that runs up to me uninvited or wave a letter from my solicitor under its nose or scream and swear at the owner,

Both from you AA. The first to me means giving way to the dog everytime, both contain a load of hysterical twaddle that none of the posters who want you to control dogs have said.

You clearly think that I should slow down or stop everytime I see a dog - on one of my regular routes I will pass 20 or 30 dogs in a couple of miles

I do not insist every dog be on a lead. I warn every dog owner in plenty of time that I am about to pass. I just want the dog under control.

Any dog is dangerously out of control if:
• it injures a person, or
• it behaves in a way that makes
a person worried that it might
injure them.

DEFRA.GOV.UK "http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pets/pets/cruelty/documents/ddogslawyouleaflet.pdf"

The first to me means giving way to the dog everytime,

and you said I misquoted you and I talk twaddle, do what you like mate but you'll keep getting into bother. Most people would look for reasons and maybe take some friendly advice, you clearly dont want to, so dont come hopping to me crying next time a dog bites you :lol

You also seem to be trying your best to make out my dog isnt under control, I dont remember anyone on this thread complaining about my dog.

'Dangerously out of control' is defined as being 'on any occasion on which there are grounds for reasonable apprehension that it will injure any person'

reasonable would seem to be the key term here. Getting in your way as you ride your bike I wouldnt expect is covered.

A - we appear to be rather at cross purposes. I have not said you dog is not under control.

You completely miss the point however. It is not up to me to take avoiding action, to slow down more than I would to pass anyone else or anything else - it is up to teh dog owner to control the dog or face the consequences.

I use a bell, I warn everyone I pass dog owner or not, I give them plenty of space.

being bitten twice in decades of riding is not a lot.

Getting in your way as you ride your bike I wouldnt expect is covered

I don't say anything about getting in my way. However if the dog does get in your way after I have given the owner a warning in plenty of time it clearly is not under control

no your right you clearly were not referring to my dog

What you dog owners fail to understand is the rest of us have a right to go about are lives unbothered by your dog. Control it or accept the consequences - of which a booted dog is the least. Want to be in court? Want the dog put down? Want to be paying dsamages?

You are responsible for your dog.

However if the dog does get in your way after I have given the owner a warning in plenty of time it clearly is not under control

I'm no legal expert (thank god) but I dont think the dog is dangerously out of control its just out of control.

You completely miss the point however. It is not up to me to take avoiding action, to slow down more than I would to pass anyone else or anything else - it is up to teh dog owner to control the dog or face the consequences.

My point is the consequences are far more immediate for you ie face gravel interaction. The law will only become involved after you have been injured.

Dunno if you are being sarcastic there but that was written in the general case - "you" plural as in the class of people that are dog owners

I haven't been bitten by a dog but if I am being chased I slow down enough for the dog to catch up and then encourage the dog to run along with me away from its owner. Then when I think am far enough away I speed up and leave the dog behind.
So far the furthest I have managed to get is about half a mile. It's funny to hear the owner shouting at the top of their voice trying to call their dog back whilst it's quite happy running alongside me wagging its tail.

If enough cyclists did this I'd bet we'd start to see a lot of dog owners start to call their pooches to heel at the sight of a cyclist approaching!

Brilliant tyke and what about the cyclist following behind?

TandemJeremy, Yes my dog is under control at all times but if let her of the lead and she wonders up within a few feet to someone and does nothing what's the problem? she does nothing reckless. I call her to heal and give commands and she does it every time, therefore she IS under control. I don't feel the need to constantly have her right at my side at any given moment when off the lead as I can control her. If I see someone visibly uncomfortable around dogs or children are around etc I call her put her on a lead. My dog has NEVER jumped up on anyone or invaded their personal space, the fact you fail to see is dogs like to run and walk around when off the lead which is perfectly normal and legal, and I don't mean on the street.

You sound like your looking for an excuse/opportunity to hit animals? If my dog walks past some idiot who thinks its OK to kick her because she came "to close" then I will be making my point very clear to them. And if you mean face the consequences by hitting an animal that has done nothing to warrant such an attack ie by walking near or past you, you would be the one breaking the law. What is to close by the way, is a few feet OK?

I get the feeling that you would only kick a dog and shout at an owner if they were a woman, old or vulnerable, I can guarantee that you would never do it to me. This may come as a surprise but the world does not rotate around YOU and your self righteous attitude. Other people and animals use this planet as well!

Animals do have rights by the way. They have the right not to be abused by idiots. That's why they have things called animal rights and welfare? You may not have heard of them.

Sherry - fair enough then. You initial posts sounded like your dog was not under control.

My dog has never bitten anyone but she can get a little exited as dogs do but is under control. I have had people swing kicks at her when she's been out biking with me for no other reason than her going up to them and even try to mow her down because they don't want to slow down.

Edit - so which is it - you allow it to come cles to people as in your earlier post or it never invade peoples space?
If it comes too close to me I will call to you to get it under control. If it bites me I will kick it

Stop being so precious about your dogs.

I wonder what would happen if I was walking my leopard and it tore your leg off as you went past? Technically cats are classed as wild animals and you don't actually own them, they just choose to live with you until a better owner/offer comes along. Who would be liable?

Lighten up chaps, weather is getting better, trails are drying out, it's all good!

you let it come up to me it is not being controlled properly and is in breach of the law - that is clear

No it isnt, the law says the dog must be "dangerously out of control" and the worried person must have a "resonable apprehension" that it will injure them. So someone is dog phobic and runs about screaming because my dog is near them thats not illegal, just imoral on my part.

Thats only under the dangerous dogs act there is other law on this both statue and common.

I think a lot of you are missing the point a dog will not stop biting you if you kick it, it is far more likely to see other riders as an agressor and try to bite them. Its down to the owner pure and simple their in the wrong for not keeping the dog under control, problem is finding out who the owner is and where they live, if they came to walk the dog and parked up you may get the reg number. I stop if I see a dog off the lead or slow right down until the owner gets the dog under control if they don't then I have a word with them.

is there, really? could you point me towards it?

In Scotland at least, it an offence for the owner of a dog to let it cause

danger or annoyance to any person

Note the "annoyance" bit. Whether or not someone is in danger from the dog is irrelevant.

Yup for sure there is - I can't find anything but oblique references to other bits of law - same as for definitions of "under control" Need a legal database I guess with access to all the case law.

So your sure yet you cant state what laws my dog would be breaking if it was sat next to you licking its arse?

Links are broken but looking into them on other sites I cant see anything that says the dog cannot wander freely amongst people.

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/397

a_a - that list is NOT comprehensive. In fact, it says at the top...

On the following pages, you can read about the laws which affect you and your dog the most.

For example, I can quickly point out that both the Countryside (Scotland ) Act 1967 and the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 are missing.