[Closed] Does this highlight everything wrong with "professional" wendyball?

"allegedly" slept with a players wife while he was at another club.

he did push wenger around so not all bad.

Punching and stamping happens every week in rugby. Add in eye gouging and spear tackles and I don't see how rugby is any better. That's not to excuse Pardews actions yesterday,he will deservedly get the book thrown at him.

Can someone let me know who was on the committee that nominated football players, and now managers apparently, as 'role models'?

I think you'll find most kids can work out what constitutes a role model for themselves, without this patronising press twoddle. My daughter loves football, and is shaping up into a decent little centre back. Do you know who her 'role model' is? Paul Scholes. (She watches 'the Class of 92 repeatedly) and Paul Scholes is the absolute living embodiment of talent, commitment, loyalty, modesty and professionalism (though not tackling, obviously)

Alan Pardew is a dick. But he isn't a role model to anyone. My 9 year old can tell you that. So please stop regurgitating tabloid editorial style claptrap!

Alan par dew will face massive fines and probably be banned for the rest of the season. What would you like the FA to do? Have him publicly flogged?

Ok not role models as such but if you think the antics of the likes of Ferguson, Cantona, Suarez, Torres etc etc has no influence on kids, then you are deluded.

And Scholes (talented and loyal as he was), was one of the dirtiest footballers out there, and I hope your daughter doesn't follow him in that respect!

Alan Pardew should be sacked IMO but money always becomes the deciding factor - it will cost the club money to find someone else so they won't do it.

Eh? Paul Scholes was one of the dirtiest players ever? Get a grip FFS!

Mind you... You do seem to be struggling with a sense of perspective through your spluttering outrage. Do you write editorials for the Sun? Some football players are idiots. Some are consomethinge professionals. Pretty much like every other job or profession, I suppose.

But your insistence that kids regard them as role models is ridiculous. My daughter has the same opinion of Suarez's diving as I do. She thinks it's laughable. This is because she's in possession of a brain, and can reach her own conclusions. As can every other kid

Unless you want to have your approved 'role model' list handed out in all primary schools?

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/alan-hansen-must-be-putting-on-that-accent

The manager should know better, otherwise they become David Brent....

the fans are just as bad. had to divert to another tube station on my way home last night.
The intelligentsia from some grim northern outpost had drunk too much fizzy pop and got confused when trying to find their way home, so the police closed the roads and tube station to stop them hurting each other while they pooled their collective I.Q to solve their late night transport issues.

OTTheadline, but it does seem that wendyball does attract more than it's fair share....

Not only does Pardew have plenty of "previous" but there is an interesting recent precedent at Newcastle (a self-appointed "big club"!!). When their U21 coach Willie Donachie hit one of his own players he lost his job. But the manager headbutts another team's player and gets away with a fine. Hmmmmm......still what would you expect?

As for role models, my boys played rugby and football at school. At home, they would also play both. Funny that when the ball changed shape so did their behaviour in an utterly predictable manner. Instead of role models, perhaps we should say examples of how not to behave as sportsmen, unless the draw of financial rewards is too great!!!

Wendyball - meh, the whole thing is FUBARed.

The only ray of sunshine I've seen recently was the interview with (I think this was his name) Gus Poyet just now on R5 - nice guy, sounded brighter and more articulate than other managers and English is his second language.

When I read the word wendyball, it tells me more about the erudite person sitting the other side of the keyboard than anything else.

Yeah, premiership football is awful. That's why a global audience of billions watch every game

It's entertainment, as much as sport. More so, probably. Some people are idiots. Others are some of the most talented professionals you'll find in any sport. Is everyone involved in professional cycling a 'role model'. I'm sure a certain mr L Armstrong has been held up as one. Not least by himself

How about rugby? Swallowing blood capsules to feign injury springs to mind.

Like I said.... A sense of perspective might come in handy, as well as the thundering cliched disapproval

Sense of humour bypass chap?
Or are you a "serious" footy fan?
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EDIT - that was for sc-xc but Binners was a bit quick.
EDIT II - nice stealth edit there sc-xc, perhaps erudite may be a better word but not quite a direct replacement. 😀

Ha ha ha

Some stealth modding there. Bloody erudites 😀

No, not a serious fan (follow WBA, how can I be?). It's the whole forced wackiness of the words 'wendyball' that annoys me. I imagine users of the word to wear novelty socks.

Like Egg Chasers perchance?
(now that's erudite)

It wasn't me that edited it...it was a swiftly mod 🙂

Edit: I'm getting confused!
Edit 2: egg chasers is just as daft....

Read the article properly and it suggests he pushed his head towards the player's head, not quite a full on Glasgow Kiss.

If that is the case, his punishment is quite severe really.

As perspective has been mentioned I'll just point out that Ashley Young is the most prolific diver in the Premier league. Funny how Mancs always feel the need to mention Suarez and diving. (Yes he is bad but he is second to Young in the diving stakes).

I only called it wendyball as that seems to be the done thing on here - no idea what it means?!

Mind you... You do seem to be struggling with a sense of perspective through your spluttering outrage. Do you write editorials for the Sun?

That's a bit of a low blow. But at least you didn't say The Mail 😉

But your insistence that kids regard them as role models is ridiculous. My daughter has the same opinion of Suarez's diving as I do. She thinks it's laughable. This is because she's in possession of a brain, and can reach her own conclusions. As can every other kid

Actually it's your insistence regarding the 'role model' comment. I corrected myself by saying that if you thought kids weren't influenced by their antics, you are deluded. This might not be directly but certainly through the opinions of parents or other "die hard" fans.

What concerns me is that the behaviour is often brushed aside with a fine or a warning and forgotten about in a few months because they can score a few goals. "Yeah, that Suarez (for example) he's a bit of a nutter but he's such a talented footballer!" Well that's ok then - chomp away!

I'm not really a football fan (as you might have guessed). I accept there are dicks in every job. It just seems to me that in the world of football, you can be a bigger dick and get away with it.

The intelligentsia from some grim northern outpost had drunk too much fizzy pop

There are arseholes in every profession.

However, to be a professional sportsman you need to be particularly driven and generally have massive self belief. When you add in the money and the circus of the EPL, tends to produce massive egos and attitudes. This is going to distort reality just a bit.

Anyone who would suggest to their children that these people are "role models" needs to give their head a shake.

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Why does this post keep linking me to the William hill app?

Scholes was well known for his inability to tackle that would result in late challenges from behind, he was the third most booked player in premier league history when he retired. This will be partially due to his length of career but also how dirty he was. More premier league yellow cards than Robbie Savage. Scholes is also on record stating that he deliberately went out to get players back. Great player, professional in that his red card count didn't correlate with his yellow card count, like Savage, but not a role model. How about Didier Drogba, terrible on the pitch doing anything to win, ie professional in what he does, but has a foundation in his name looking to improve education and healthcare in Africa in which he has invested his own money.

Why does this post keep linking me to the William hill app?

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/admin-malicious-advert/page/7#post-5817309

Name me one high profile sport that doesn't have a wide variety of idiots, cheats, liars and gentlemen/women involved.

There isn't one. In fact there isn't a popular or important activity that takes place on this planet that doesn't have a broad spread of people exhibiting all of traits of the human race.

Singling out football is lazy, naive and delusional. It just highlights a profound ignorance of sport and the human condition.

As I said on the other thread if thats a headbutt I'll have one. It's not that bad, out of order but unless the other guy actually looks like he's hurt it's not much.
This is a better fight

for reference this is worth 9 months AP should get 1 week on that scale
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binners - Member
Yeah, premiership football is awful. That's why a global audience of billions watch every game

I don't get this.... The spice girls/Oasis/Take that/boy zone et al. Were all awful, but have held fan bases of millions for years... probably still do. Doesn't make them any good.

please take Oasis out of that list. The premier league is a great product, good players and teams add in some of the best local rivalry around and it's a good game. Compared to the pretentious drug infused farce that is cycling it's not bad.

Well said Mike. (Particularly the Oasis bit 🙂 )

Singling out football is lazy, naive and delusional. It just highlights a profound ignorance of sport and the human condition.

show me the F1, cycling, golf, tennis, lacrosse, squash, athletics fans and their hooliganism.
lets face it football attracts violent ignorant 'fans' more than any other sport.

mikewsmith has never heard of Operation Puerta, or Fuentes.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/tom-english-fuentes-doping-case-silent-on-football-1-2761603

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/la-liga/9847272/Spanish-football-shaken-by-drug-claims-made-by-former-Real-Sociedad-president.html

Football is still at the "don't spit in the soup" stage

no just putting one back on the Cycling is SOOOOOOO much better that football BS that comes out of the 5kg of spuds on the shoulder types in here

Pardew at least showed a bit of passion and commitment to his job, he was wrong quite clearly but at least had the decency to come clean and apologise straight away. He will get punished (already has been) severely but bleating on about role models and getting him sacked is just pathetic. It was a brush of heads for christ's sake - he didn't stab the guy.

I'm guessing any of the 'dads' on here moaning about how their children will be affected do a lot worse down the park every Sunday in the pub leagues. Then let their kids play Call of Duty at home...

The PL is entertainment and damn good entertainment most of the time.

show me the F1, cycling, golf, tennis, lacrosse, squash, athletics fans and their hooliganism.

Spectators
12 million spectators
65% men and 35% women
55% under 50 years old, including 12% under 15 years old
80% French spectators and 20% foreign spectators
38 different nationalities
6 hrs 45 minutes spent on the road-side on average, per stage, per spectator (6 hrs 20 minutes for flat stages, 9 hrs 22 minutes for mountain stages)
95% of people come with family or friends

Tour de france 2013

13,148,465 (barclays premier leauge 2011 total attendance)

i would say that was 'quite near' and would be fairly confident in stating that football fans are more prone to violence than cycling fans.

i find it sad in many ways that football (aka Wendyball) recieves such a huge following considering the antics of the players both on and off the field.....

view woth sound off!

^^^that isn't anything to be proud of or support, IMO. and kids do look up at footballers as idols/heros. if that is what they are looking up to and thinking "cool" then it doesn't do much for their idea of fair play and justice. cheat and you'll do well.

watch other sports and rarely will you see people arguing with the referee. look at rugby. how often do you see half the team run up to and shout at the ref for a decision he hass made?

rugby may be a thugs game, but football is played and followed by plebs. just look at wrightyson's vidoe post of the Sky commentators... clear, well thought out prose flowing from their mouths. not.

but football is played and followed by plebs

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but football is played and followed by plebs.

but football is played and followed by plebs

No, that's policing.

at least the football threads let us know who the pretentious cocks are.

Can you have a pretentious pleb?

rogerthecat - Member
Wendyball - meh, the whole thing is FUBARed.
The only ray of sunshine I've seen recently was the interview with (I think this was his name) Gus Poyet just now on R5 - nice guy, sounded brighter and more articulate than other managers and English is his second language.
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Have you listened to the one where he says Suarez didn't say any thing racist?

All these comparisons to Rugby. Rugby is tiny compared to football. International occasional matches people watch but league rugby what a joke.

Barclays pay around £40 million to sponsor the PL. Probably cost them more to get that much exposure by advertising elsewhere. Eddie Stobart who is the main sponsor of the Rugby league offered to put adverts on the trucks as payment.

 

and would be fairly confident in stating that football fans are more prone to violence than cycling fans

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Can you have a pretentious pleb?

I have a feeling they follow rugby

pretentious

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maybe i'm pretentious. i don't follow rugby, cycling, tennis or any other sport.

the only sport events that get in the way of my daily life are footballing ones. not the event itself, but the thousands of moronic cheering, mostly over-weight, scarf wearing plebs that converge on Munich of a weekend. shit loads more old bill about every where keeping an eye on the drunken fans and keeping the more passionate elements apart (German (or maybe it's just the Bavarian) old bill form columns of riot gear cops giving the place a bit of an armegeddon feel).

brilliant.

I love football, it's a great game and I take my 2 year old to play every Sunday morning but I have little time for the professional game and would question my kid getting into football too much because of the conduct of players, fans and the way the sport is portrayed in the press.
I played 11-a-side from when I was 8 until I was 23 but the modern game has put me off.

This thread is definitely running the risk of disappearing up its own precious, sanctimonious, pretentious, achingly middle class, preachy and amply-upholstered arse!

I do love it when the Hackett-wearing, upturned-collar brigade feel the need to comment on 'wendyball' threads to espouse their apparent superiority to the 'yobs and hooligans' who watch football. 😆

mostly over-weight

*rubs belly*

Step back a couple of steps Binners and ask how many professions would allow a manager of one "firm" to physically assault an employee of another "firm". What is so "special" about football that means we have to make excuses for this kind of behaviour? There's nothing precious etc about that.....

Can you find me the post where anyone has tried to excuse his behaviour? Because I can't find one.

His behaviour was absolutely ridiculous, and he'll be punished for it. I'll be gob smacked if Newcastle start next season with Pardew at the helm. But to try and say this kind of thing is exclusive to premiership football is ludicrous!

I find it hilarious that rugby is always held up as some virtuous model of sporting perfection. Talk about delusional! 🙄

Binners - never thought I'd see you using such class stereotypes!! 😯

alexandersupertramp - nope, so are you suggesting that this morning's interview was an aberration?

Also, am assuming the rugby point was aimed elsewhere as I have not commented or compared the two.

Rugby point was not directed at you. My comment about Suarez was meant to have a smiley attached 🙂

If rugby had anywhere near the exposure, fans or money that football has there would be lots more incidents like the Non head butt for haters to get excited about. Really can't understand the comparison between the two.

And I'm not a huge football fan, BTW

I'm working class, Northern & live not far from Binners.
I follow Rugby (not League) because its an infinitely better game. I can go to a game, buy a drink pitch-side, mingle with the oppo fans, go to a pub near the ground & not see a police officer all day.
I find football dull, but its the fans and their nasty tribalism that really puts me off the game as an entirety.

Hahaha! Defending football by saying rugby (or any other sport!) is just as bad.
Where's that img of the Simpson's character pointing and laughing?

ps. Leeds game yesterday - player goes off injured - crowd [i]laugh and jeer[/i] at him. I can't think of another team sport where that would happen.

Every rugby game ive been to where a player - from either team - goes off injured, he's been applauded off the pitch by the crowd.

rugby may be a thugs game, but football is played and followed by plebs. just look at wrightyson's vidoe post of the Sky commentators... clear, well thought out prose flowing from their mouths. not.

That is very true. The vast majority of players and supporters are common people and not members of the Royalty. I would imagine the same is true of rugby.

I can't think of any sport where the plebs are in the minority? Possibly polo? As not being a commoner yourself perhaps you could tell us where you and the other Royals have there fun away from us.

mid 17th century: originally as plural plebs, from Latin plebs 'the common people'. Later a shortened form of plebeian.

Where's that img of the Simpson's character pointing and laughing?

That's the kind of grown up thing that football fans do.

[i]Every rugby game ive been to where a player - from either team - goes off injured, he's been applauded off the pitch by the crowd.
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Of course. - it was the Leeds Utd game to which I was referring.

I think the Pardew incident says more about our media than it does about football:From the clip I've seen I think it has all been a massive over reaction. Yes, it was wrong, and he should be punished. Did he try and hurt the player? No. Was the player injured because of it? No. Should he be sacked? No, that would be going too far IMO. Once again the media goes wild over a relatively mild incident.

The other guy clearly had a go at him so he had every right to stand up for himself. Because of where the managers are located, they are as much part of what happens on the pitch as the players and sometimes get embroiled in situations with the players. The alternative is to make the two management teams sit up in a special booth in the stands, like rugby. To be honest, I wouldn't mind that.

I've seen egg chasers doing a bit of forehead jousting recently too. Weren't there some suspended because of it?

@ winston....

indeed, the majority of rugby players and supporters are also plebs, but their attitude on the pitch as players and off it as spectators is much more mature and respectable.

go to a pub near the ground & not see a police officer all day.

+1 same can be said for cricket, snooker, darts, cycling, ultimate frisbee.... just about any other sport.
why can the same not be said at a football match?

Of course. - it was the Leeds Utd game to which I was referring.

I know 😉

DD - wasn't a French player red-carded then dropped from the French 6N squad for that last weekend?

mikewsmith - Member
at least the football threads let us know who the pretentious cocks are.

"Hackett-wearing, upturned-collar brigade"
Chelsea fans? 😀

Not [u]everything[/u] that's wrong because the player didn't throw himself to the ground clutching his face and rolling over and over like a landed haddock. £300k per week is more representative of the ills that afflict professional football.

Can you have a pretentious pleb?

Actually, what's the name of the guy that owns the Sport and c5, and he's very aggressive and ignorant? He might be a pretentious pleb.

I think football at amateur level is even worse the 5 a side league I play in sometimes more resembles Fight Club. Only this year one of my team was punched in the face putting him in hospital over night, the offender got a whole 3 game ban, absolute joke. It's clear that from top to bottom there is no control in football.

As for Scholes a dirty, dirty player only a swivel eyed Man U fan could think otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_violent_spectator_incidents_in_sports
An interesting read, Aussie Rules doesn't come out that well...

Well thought out prose from a commentator you say?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y8_bky0Mr3M

It surprises me, the hate towards sportsmen.