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I, for one, am utterly sick of the things, but I feel slightly trapped as it is a work-supplied phone, and I think that if I deliberately down-graded, my superior would notice and buy me a new one.
In any case, the fact that all of my kids of high school age just assume they should have one, when in fact all they and their friends seem to use them for is the purpose of distraction, makes me wonder if we haven't all just succumbed thoughtlessly to some Dawkins-esque cultural meme. I mean, if I stop and think, do I need a computer in my pocket that gives me more computing power than my laptop did a few years back, and makes me always 'on' and permanently 'available'? No, I don't think I do. But do any of us? Really?
A few weeks ago, I had a bit of a rant about cars, but I think that the mobile phone culture is getting almost as bad, insofar as even otherwise responsible people seem to have given themselves over to this new culture of walking down the pavement mindlessly talking or texting or browsing facebook; of checking their phone at the pub in the middle of a conversation when out with friends; of taking selfies in front of monuments instead of actually looking at the monument. The list could go on.
In any case, I'm just wondering if I am alone in feeling like we really need to re-evaluate our use of the smartphone, and therefore just a curmudgeon, or if there are others out there thinking the same thing.
If so, shall we start a revolution?
Nope, I need mine (home and work emails, maps, Strava, googling for anything, most rides out are organised thru FB etc).
Be interested in what phone you have, I'm still on an iPhone 4 and previous to that non-smart Nokia's going back +20 years.
I, for one, am utterly sick of the things, but I feel slightly trapped as it is a work-supplied phone, and I think that if I deliberately down-graded, my superior would notice and buy me a new one.
....or you could just switch it off when you're not at work.
I have a work smart phone and it gets switched off as soon as I get in the car to go home at night and then switched on in the morning.
Don't blame the technology...
It's not the phone that's at fault it's usually the eejit holding it.
I don't own one, have resisted even though every man and his dog have one. Just seems like another massive time and money drain when I don't have enough of either already.
It's not the phone that's at fault it's usually the eejit holding it.
🙂
Not really need, I can get by with just a mobile and laptop. The other half was a sales rep for a huge multinational and even this time last year they still had old school Nokias and laptops.
iphone 4 here 2. Music in the gym on the ride 🙂 I like they way it keeps me in touch with people and integrates all my information, data banking etc. As with everything its how you use it.
Its a tool to be used. Im an adult I can make up my own mind what I use and how I use it. Its you that feel under pressure. I dont. So no need re-evaluate anything. Maybe you need to work out why you feel under peer pressure with modern technology, is there something a miss?
Just ahd a new battery and home switch fix. I cant see I need to upgrade.
We don't need 90% of the crap we choose to buy!
Does any one of us really NEED a smartphone?
Well no, of course not. We got on just fine for millennia before they existed.
The things we [i]"really NEED"[/i] are surprisingly few.
Doesn't mean they aren't nice to have.
But yeas, I'm as guilty as anyone of disappearing into it when I should really be interacting with the world, playing with my kids, talking to my wife, driving, finding the g-spot etc etc
I wouldn't be surprised if not having a smartphone becomes fashionable amongst those types who choose not to have a telly but insist on reminding you of this fact at every available opportunity (if it isn't already).
+1It's not the phone that's at fault it's usually the eejit holding it.
I certainly don't [i]need[/i] a smartphone. I have one as it's handy having the internet on tap whenever you like.
I'm not a Fb or Twitter user though either but it's still dead handy having a smartphone.
finding the g-spot
You've got an app for that? 😯
What do we actually really need though?
Whilst I can see that it could become a significant distraction and also allows work (if it's a work phone) to creep into your out of work life unless you monitor yourself, I see them largely as a release. In my pocket I now have 90% of the computing and online access I need as well as access to music, audiobooks and radio as well as a notebook and memo pad and a camera. Handy and convenient- provided you can regulate your use.
I spend a fair amount of time on a train / tube in the week.
For me it's a convergence device to do stuff (or consume media) on the move that frees up my other time and also means I don't have to bring with me:
An A-Z
A diary
An address book
A phone
An iPod
A newspaper
etc etc
Back in the dark ages, I used to read a paper. But seeing as they are mostly opinions on yesterday's news now I'm quite glad of the change.
When I'm commuting by bike, it's also able to ping back to my wife to let her know I'm just late - not dying in a ditch somewhere...
Arghhh apps the worst thing about smart phones. S*t dumbed down versions of the internet just **** off. Also due to smart phones we now have those dreadful websites from the likes of BBC and Guardian that work gash on 'proper' computers.
I know where your coming from but mine amongst other things allows me to work from home and the lifestyle improvemnt that comes from that is significant.
You're not alone no, clearly they'll be other people interested in similar views. It's only too clear now that this will become the the only way to communicate in the near distant future. It's happening now, I see folks actually text each other in restaurants, giggle, then carry on eating. But then if you have little to say to each other texting is the best way to communicate No?
As far as walking in the public space whilst one eyes on the phone and you are charging along at a rate of knots into other pedestrians, you deserve all the lack of politeness and consideration normally handed about at will. It is all to common to find blame one gadget or it's intrusive nature in our new world, but for a lot of people it's the only way to communicate or be communicated too.
I don't think there is a balance in this for the future, we'll be absorbed by it and our ability to communicate/talk will cease and yet we'll all know what they other person is thinking/feeling.
Whilst I hate selfies, for some it's only a simple snap of a time and place. If one day that person was to take a look and recover the image to memory then I'd be happy with selfies, I do feel they are lost in a fragment of time, shared once, forgotten long.
Smartphones in general are a good thing IMO, I wouldn't want to be without mine now. I use 40% of it's capability, it uses 70% of my application towards it.
😀
Just use mine for strava and instagram.
Agree they are the devil but there are worse things out there really.
Just try avoiding using it during social situations, it is possible, I know, I've tried it.
I'm quite a phone geek, but I'm also aware of the problems with overusing them.
Simply having the ability to easily check my bank balance and credit card statement at anytime and from anywhere are worth it alone in my view. It's such a move on from phone banking or worse still - having to go to a branch for a statement printout!
I don't need one as such but I also don't need electricity, running water or central heating. They are just things that make my life easier.
I am not about to rip out the central heating because it makes my house too hot if I have it on all the time, just the same as I am not about to bin a smartphone because I use it too much.
Just get into a good habit about using it.
Weeell, for ages I just wanted a fone that you know, made calls, received texts and had a decent battery life. Got PCs/tablets/PDAs that can do "smart" stuff much better.
Got a moto G and since that I've hardly used my ipad. A properly clever smart phone, does pretty much all the stuff I want it to do and not too terrible battery life.
But the everyone sitting in a room looking at phones ignoring each other thing really bugs me. Anyone doing that at my house will get grief for it.
I can make up my own mind what I use and how I use it
This is theoretically true but, as with cars, if anything is made culturally normative in terms of use, then no matter how self-controlled you fancy you are, you are still going to be susceptible to the pressures of your environment.
With the advent of the affordable car, did people consider the long term implications and effects? Possibly. But did that stop them from becoming so overused as to have changed the very fabric of Western culture itself? No.
I know that I 'could just turn it off', but I also know that if I did, the fallout would be difficult to manage for a long-enough time that it still makes me feel bound to it.
I think GrahamS, in his comments above, sort of nails it.
Do any of us really need this forum?
Anyone doing that at my house will get grief for it.
At dinner time, make everybody put their phone in a pile on the side before they eat. First person getting their phone has to do the washing up. 🙂
I constantly remind myself ( and others) of how life was in the 70's.
If someone phoned and you weren't there, if it was important, then they'd phone back.
If you had something important to say in a business capacity, you'd write a letter and post it.
The world still turned. Things still got done.
People were more organised and independent as a result.
When I wanted to arrange to meet my mates I'd speak to them and arrange to meet at a certain place at a certain time. Everyone generally showed up, wearing an outfit of their own choosing and if they didn't then they were left behind.
Compare this with my 12 year old daughter who was unable to get ready for school this morning without sending and receiving 50 odd whatsapps and selfies with her friends so they could agree what clothes to wear, how to comb their hair and to update each other on the progress of their journeys. They're developing a hive mind mentality where nobody is confident enough to make their own decisions or organise their own lives.
but I feel slightly trapped as it is a work-supplied phone
work phone + own phone works for me, especially as my phone was bought on the basis of being the smallest available & isn't particularly smart either :-), work dedicated landline & mobile get diverted to head office when I'm on holiday so I don't have to go through that "oh sorry I'm on holiday" conversation - don't know how people manage if they don't have separate phones to be honest
I am not about to rip out the central heating because it makes my house too hot if I have it on all the time
Good analogy, except that the manufacturers and sellers of central heating never meant to insinuate their product on your whole life. They merely sought to provide you with a single piece of equipment with a specific task.
If your boiler manufacturer had it in mind that all your thermic needs should, winter or summer, personal or external, be at all times taken care of by their equipment, then I would be wary.
I do. Not the phone bit of it obviously, but the rest of it means I don't have to lug a laptop around.
It's not the phone's fault 🙂
We are in the first flush of this kind of ubuquitous social technology. Before long, we will be able to do so many things that we are going to have to make conscientous and proactive decisions about what we WANT to do, and such choices will become part of our upbringing and society.
Our parents and peers gave us advice and wisdom growing up about how to live our lives, but they told us nothing about social media, of course. We as a society have had to deal with this all on our own; our kids are entering this world as we are still exploring it with the excitement of kids ourselves.
Take control of the situation - decide what you want and make technology do it. Or not, whatever you decide 🙂
They're developing a hive mind mentality where nobody is confident enough to make their own decisions or organise their own lives.
Or, they are bonding closer than ever and sharing more joy in more situations than we were able to. Depends how you look at it.. and how THEY look at it..!
I dont NEED one, much like I dont need a TV, or a remote control, personal music player, watch, alarm, calculator, calendar etc etc.
Oh hang on, if i do need any of them i'd have to replace my smart phone, plus it's a work one, without it i'd have to stay at home when i'm on call, and that would suck.
I have dumbed down my smart phone GPS? Blu tooth,Data etc all off battery now last days and i have switched to a 2 euro a month contract, I have put on my Xmas list "filofax".
I hate the way our family soirees have become phone staring competitions with little convesation.
NEED - no. But does it make life a lot easier and interesting, are they incredibly useful? YES?
Do other people assume I have one, YES. Does that mean at times it's close to essential to have one, YES IMO - for e.g. I can't imagine how I'd manage my finances now without online banking and my mobile app.
Does that mean that the way some/a lot of people use them thoughtlessly/irresponsibly is good, NO. But that's user error, not the phone itself. e.g. if you walk into the road in front of a car without looking up from your phone, you're the stupid one, not the phone.
There's a few case studies how low cost smartphones are transforming lives in third world countries, supporting healthcare, education and banking/commerce which nicely undermines corrupt/autocratic regimes and increases standards of living without waiting for government investment in infrastructure.
Also remember the trouble Erdogan had in Turkey when he tried to shut down revolt against his control-freakery...
I've just read a case study how RAC are working with telemetrics supplied by EE in their patrol vans to improve driving standards and fuel use... Not quite smartphones, more internet of things, but a win for everyone.
Some interesting comments ^^ about how we're having to make up how we use them as we go along. Inevitably we'll make some mistakes which will have consequences for some people, until we learn from experience what limitations there are to them.
I guess all new tech has this happen - nuclear fission for e.g. CO2-emission-free power when used and controlled sensibly. Meltdown or bombs when not. In the early days there were some major screwups - Enola Gay and Chernoblyl. Most of the time now it's limitations are managed ok. I'll admit Fukushima is an exception...
Or, they are bonding closer than ever and sharing more joy in more situations than we were able to. Depends how you look at it.. and how THEY look at it..!
I'd love this to be the case, but my recent experience suggests that it's not really "look at my outfit, it's awesome!" as much as it's " what are you wearing so I can wear the same?"
They're constantly seeking external validation from their peers for everything rather than making an internal decision and risking being seen as different.
It worries me that the supremely self confident, high achieving, 11 year old with no phone is rapidly becoming a 12 year old drone who is dumbing her considerable talents down so as not to stand out from the hive.
or maybe ... je suis un dinosaur 😳
They're constantly seeking external validation from their peers for everything
That's always been the case. It's just that now they can do something about it proactively rather than stress about it and feel horribly embarassed all evening, which is what we used to do.
As for arranging meet ups - I remember many hours spent waiting for people at pre-arranged meet-up points, with no idea of what was going on, then going home again.
I hate the way our family soirees have become phone staring competitions with little convesation.
Again - that's your family's fault, not the phone's.
We seem happy on STW to blame people for being fat, lazy and unfit, rather than blaming cars or TV or McDonalds. In fact, it's frowned upon to blame external influences for things which are within our control. So let's be consistent 🙂
I remember many hours spent waiting for people at pre-arranged meet-up points, with no idea of what was going on, then going home again.
....thats coz they all showed up on time, wearing an outfit of their own choosing and when you couldn't be arsed being on time, they all pissed off without you and you were left behind.
As it should be. 😀
That may have happened on occasion 🙂 One particular bugger though just didn't come because it was cold, and even though I knew I was a mile or two from his house I didn't know specifically where it was so I couldn't cycle there myself.
He was a bastard though.
yes I do need one, if we're watching TV and there's an actor who we've seen on something else then I need to find out who he is and what else we've seen him in, this is essential. Remember the time before smartphones where that conundrum would haunt us for like 3 or 4 minutes, thankfully that's no longer the case.
Need.
i use it a lot for transport updates on twitter or with apps can check buses at any stop and know if i will make a tube/train connection, diary integration and email plus a bit of mapping use.
also odd things like a VAT calculator and being to remotely fire my camera while on shoots.
i just missed the pre mobile days when photographers while out on shoots would ring back to their answerphone and use a key code generator to access their messages to see if anyone was trying to book them for work, thankfully things have moved on a bit since then.
Arghhh apps the worst thing about smart phones. S*t dumbed down versions of the internet just **** off.
You are using the wrong apps.
(Or possibly you have a Windows phone)
Good apps offer a LOT more than just a mini-internet.
Also due to smart phones we now have those dreadful websites from the likes of BBC and Guardian that work gash on 'proper' computers.
Now you really are being silly. Do you remember what the BBC News site looked like before smart phones??
to see if anyone was trying to book them for work, thankfully things have moved on a bit since then.
yep, now people just nick stuff off the web for free and cut out the photographer 😉
yep, now people just nick stuff off the web for free and cut out the photographer
i thought you just bought a smartphone, snapped away and posted on instagram and that made you a photographer? 🙄
finding the g-spotYou've got an app for that?
Gmale
Need, no, there is only a short list of needs.
However, my phone lives in my pocket as it gives me access to those I love, it is my camera, I keep notes and shopping lists on it, quite often it is my clock as I forget my watch. My family live abroad so being able to log into skype wherever I am and catch up with them for free is nice.
I do hate zombies walking along the street staring at them, it is now more than 50% of the commuters I pass in the morning, sad. I generally only use my phone when alone, catch up on life then, if I have company the phones go in another room, if I am walking the phone goes in my pocket. If I use it to check the time or take a photo it goes back in my pocket. So not a need, but it does come in useful and I don't let it rule my life. I deleted Strava and other tracking apps as they were too all-consuming.
EDIT - I also use it as a sat nav, both in the van and on foot, thats's kinda handy at times when I get lost on my bike!
These kind of complaints have been happening for [url= https://xkcd.com/1227/ ]centuries[/url].
Conversation is said to be a lost art ... good talk presupposes leisure, both for preparation and enjoyment. [b]The age of leisure is dead, and the art of conversation is dying[/b].Frank Leslie's Popular Monthly, Volume 29
[b]1890[/b]
[b]Our modern family fathering, silent[/b] around the fire, [b]each individual with his head buried in his favorite magazine[/b], is the somewhat natural outcome of the banishment of colloquy from the school ...The Journal of Education, Volume 29
[b]1907[/b]
Fantastic technology. Wouldn't be without it.
Camera, Contacts, Facebook, Met Office forcasts, Bank, Rail TTable, Texting, Email, Clock timer alarm, not to mention all the entertainment options. Chromecast!
What's not to like?
perchypanther - Member
finding the g-spot
You've got an app for that?
Apparently so.
[url= https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/understand-g-spot/id385779883?mt=8 ]Ooooh.[/url]
Woppit + 1
Yep smartphone is great to have a handheld pc in my pocket... fortunately I'm grumpy enough that no-one calls on it.
Sadly I can't find a decent contract with minimum tel calls & txt with max download. They all seem to think I want to use it to [i]communicate[/i] ❓ with people when I thought it's purpose was the exact opposite 😀
I had a call out of the blue to do a gig last week, they wanted sax and trumpet - I got the names of some trumpet players from a mate (from a phonecall on said smartphone), then found the name of a guy and facebook messaged him to agree availability, then got someone from the band to put the set list on drop box check the key of the songs and to listen to the tunes on youtube of the ones I didn't know, then found the venue via google maps
pretty useful things really
[quote=molgrips ]As for arranging meet ups - I remember many hours spent waiting for people at pre-arranged meet-up points, with no idea of what was going on, then going home again.
For which a conventional non-smart phone works fine.
I'm a late adopter here - have only had a smart phone for ~18 months, and agree with the OP to some extent - I could quite happily go back to where I was before. Yes it might be down to the people using the things, but then to do another analogy with things discussed on here, we don't generally suggest it's because Americans are somehow different that they have lots of gun massacres. The trouble with them is that they enable the sort of behaviour we dislike.
Personally the only reason mine comes out most of the time is to play CoC, and I don't play that very much. Useful to have the internet, a satnav, email with me all the time, but TBH I rarely use most of those and still browse STW from a normal computer (I get the impression most here now browse on their phones).
[quote=DaRC_L ]Sadly I can't find a decent contract with minimum tel calls & txt with max download. They all seem to think I want to use it to communicate with people when I thought it's purpose was the exact opposite
I never get anywhere near using my phone calls and use 0% of my text allowance* every month, but then I don't get close to my 500MB data allowance either! Currently with Virgin on their cheapest contract and looking to switch to Post Office PAYG as they have cheaper monthly bundles - they do a good selection of high data low call bundles if you need a lot more data than that.
* infinite texts
[quote=GrahamS ]Now you really are being silly. Do you remember what the BBC News site looked like before smart phones??
Substance over style?
Unfortunately people are generally sheeple. Yes phones are inanimate objects and people should be able to control themselves but they don't (in the main). Whether it's four round a table in a restaurant staring at phones, people wandering down the street staring at phones or texting during dinner at home, they're habit forming and people are easily led. The absolute worst for me is someone breaking off mid conversation to look, s****, reply and then re-engage. They can ferk right off.
I used an old Nokia 3110 for a few weeks a bit ago and it didn't really stop my world turning.
For which a conventional non-smart phone works fine.
Er yeah.. got my debates mixed up there 🙂
My smartphone comes out generally to look stuff up on the internet. I have a lot of thoughts and ideas, most of which I'll forget quickly, so I'll use my phone to check something out there and then and make a note (on One Note). Also, I look stuff up on Wikipedia a lot.
Wikipedia + smartphone = Hitchhiker's Guide
[quote=bikebouy ]It's only too clear now that this will become the the only way to communicate in the near distant future. It's happening now, I see folks actually text each other in restaurants, giggle, then carry on eating. But then if you have little to say to each other texting is the best way to communicate No?
Which is very sad. I realised that I get most of my social interaction on here, and it's not the same as interacting with somebody face to face which I wish I had more of - it seems daft to me that people are deliberately giving up such face to face interaction to spend time with their phones, it's not a choice I'd make given the option.
Which raises the fundamental problem, which is that because this stuff is still so new we don't have the correct social "rules" in place - rules which were handed down to us from our parents for other things. If we're having a face to face meeting with somebody, why is it acceptable to ignore them whilst we answer the phone - personally I normally turn off the ringer and let it go to answerphone? (and yes I know that's a non-smartphone thing)
Stop saying "hive".
That screen shot is not of the BBC website design that pre-dated the recent 'responsive' design, that screen shot is over 10 years old!! Mind at the time I seem to remember BBC used to regularly win website design awards.
I don't need it but a smartphone is about the closest I'm ever going to get to doing magic and I like being a wizard.
I don't have a smart phone, life goes on!
I don't want to be one of those people the OP mentions, plus my current mobile is only 8yrs old so is still going strong!
Smartphones are a useful tool that are misused, or used pointlessly most of the time.
I don't want to be one of those people the OP mentions,
You must realise that having a smartphone in your pocket doesn't MAKE you into one of 'those people', surely?
If we're having a face to face meeting with somebody, why is it acceptable to ignore them whilst we answer the phone
It's not, nor is it acceptable to chew with your mouth open or talk to other people whilst serving someone in a shop. Still happens though, just like bad manners have always happened since forever. All you moaners about things going to hell in a handcart these days must realise that people have always wanted to do the same things, it's just the means that's changed.
You must realise that having a smartphone in your pocket doesn't MAKE you into one of 'those people', surely?
Unfortunately I believe they are habit forming and addictive, so I think they do.
I don't own a TV, don't like watching lots of TV, yet put me in a pub with a TV on and I find myself constantly distracted by it.
I know plenty of mobile phone users that are not constantly glued to their phones.
I do not know plenty of smartphone users that I can say the same for.
They're developing a hive mind mentality where nobody is confident enough to make their own decisions or organise their own lives.
Not like this place eh?They're constantly seeking external validation from their peers for everything rather than making an internal decision and risking being seen as different.
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There used to be a joke that some folk couldn't dress themselves in the mornings without seeking advice on here.
Then someone really couldn't 🙄
i thought you just bought a smartphone, snapped away and posted on instagram and that made you a photographer?
Photographers are as relevent as typists, lamp lighters, town criers...
I've only had a smartphone for about 3 months. Whatsapp to organise rides and Instagram/Snapseed are the only things I really use on it. I've tried to fiddle with it in the pub when everyone else is fiddling with theirs instead of speaking but I've not worked out what I'm supposed to be doing on it yet.
I do not know plenty of smartphone users that I can say the same for.
How do you know if someone has a smartphone in their pocket when they are talking to you?
Maybe you're just not interesting enough?
I do not know plenty of smartphone users that I can say the same for
I do. Most of the people I know actually.
Hardly ever see anyone on their phone within my group of friends, everyone has smartphones. They get used for the odd picture when we are out, but other than that they are hardly seen.
Maybe you aren't holding people's attention very well 😉
molgrips - MemberHow do you know if someone has a smartphone in their pocket when they are talking to you?
I spend most of my time in pubs.
Most people will enter a pub and put their phone on the table and check it regularly.
People walk down the streets, constantly checking their phones.
I don't have to be in a conversation with someone to observe this behavior.
Maybe you're just not interesting enough?
See above.
There really is no need to be such a prick all of a sudden molgrips.
There really is no need to be such a prick all of a sudden molgrips.
That was absolutely 100% meant to be a joke. I apologise if it offended.
People checking their phones in the street isn't antisocial, unless they are with someone else.
When me and my group of friends are all out together, we designate a smart phone user for the evening.
This is one person who's been nominated to update their social media with live photos and excerpts from our night out:
"Boy, does Tim know how to banter! The girls weren't impressed though...."
If we catch anyone else using their smartphone other than the nominee, they'll have to do a crazy forfeit like downing a shot of alcohol.
of taking selfies in front of monuments instead of actually looking at the monument.
Previously what would you do? Hand your camera to a random stranger and hope something useful came back, like (a) your camera and (b) a photo not entirely of your shoes, legs, and a lot of ground.
Smartphones are awesome.
The problem here is w*nkers (with a smartphone).
And they're everywhere.
As a gazillion(*) threads on STW will attest.
* possibly fewer than a gazillion.
molgrips - MemberThat was absolutely 100% meant to be a joke. I apologise if it offended.
No worries.
People checking their phones in the street isn't antisocial, unless they are with someone else.
No, but it is an example of how dependant people are on their phones.
No, but it is an example of how dependant people are on their phones.
I'm not sure it's dependence; distraction would be a better word.
I wouldn't say I "need" one, but they are becoming such a cultural norm, it would be difficult not to have one now.
I didn't even have a basic mobile phone til I was 30, but not sure I'd manage without. So many services assume you have Internet and immediate access to the Internet. I use it to book train tickets, concert tickets, store addresses and other info that I used to scribble on scraps of paper, I use it to access FB and STW, and as an encyopedia.
My son has just started university and he was amazed when I told him that when I was at university, no one had mobiles or laptops, the Internet hadn't been invented. We had one pay phone between 32 people in our hall of residence flat. Yet we still managed to have friends and a social life!
Unfortunately I believe they are habit forming and addictive, so I think they do.
I don't own a TV, don't like watching lots of TV, yet put me in a pub with a TV on and I find myself constantly distracted by it.
I know plenty of mobile phone users that are not constantly glued to their phones.
I do not know plenty of smartphone users that I can say the same for.
My local used to have a big TV on the wall, which was quite often left on, and the continual moving image was very distracting, your eye would be constantly drawn to it, even with the sound off.
There is no TV on the wall now.
Most of the regulars I see there have smart phones, and it's only occasionally that anyone has a phone out, and that's usually just to show someone a photo, or to check info on a website during a conversation.
Which is what happens with mine, most of the time I'm in the pub I'm with a mate talking about all sorts of random stuff; music, films, books, science stuff, tanks, aircraft, cars...
When I'm out for a drink with another friend, when she's back home, my phone gets dragged out to refer to places on the OS maps I have in Viewranger, as she works in YHA hostels, currently in Conwy, and does lots of hill walking, so we spend ages talking about places she walks, and she can show me on a 1:50 or 1:25k map for anywhere in the UK.
We never struggle for conversation.
Many people, on the other hand, can barely think of anything other than bloody footy.
Yesterday, it was 9.00pm before I realised I had a voicemail message from my account manager at my bank, I hadn't looked at my phone until then; however, while at work, I'm banned from having a phone or any other electronic device in my work area, so I'm used to not having it during the day, and even when I'm out on my own, maybe having a coffee or a beer, it's used for reading a book, and seldom anything else; it's a useful tool, I'm not a slave to it.
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No, but it is an example of how dependant people are on their phones.
I would agree more with footflaps. People are hungrier for distraction, which might be music, social media, news, sport, and so on.
Being addicted to distraction is a bad thing, but using it possibly isn't. A lot of good things can happen in your brain when you're bored and forced to daydream, but similarly good thing can happen when you've got time to kill and a smartphone.
I have a colleague, same age as me, every time I go round his house (to socialise, we don't get our phones out) he always ends up asking some historical question that ends up with me giving him a history or science lesson. He asked me how come I know about such a broad range of subjects; it's because when I'm bored I read Wikipedia pages on history or science. I'll randomly wonder say how come Russia is so big, and start reading about it on my phone.
But not when I'm with anyone 🙂
There are so many convincing articles on the web regarding giving up the smart phone for good. I did promise myself that I would give it a go especially when my kids told me that I spend too much time on it.
I decided to root out my old Samsung qwerty phone which was the last non-smart phone I had and give it a go. It died on day 2 so I went back to the smartphone temporarily...
This was a week ago now! You can pick up a basic Nokia for less than a tenner so I'm going to give it another go!
Need, probably not but it makes my life much easier
I work from a remote office and after that I'm travelling a lot, rather than carrying a public transport map and steet atlas for every city I go to I just use my phone, live public transport updates. I can update e-mail when I'm in a taxi or train rearrange meetings quickly and easily.
I work with people from 7 different time zones so I can check or update somebody on something important with a few quick taps of the screen rather than lugging the laptop out.
Throw in the useful look ups, live mapchecking on things like trailforks when at a confusing junction on the trail or looking up where that interesting looking trail goes (complete with pics, condition report and an idea what the technicality is)
I can video chat with friends and family across the world from wherever I am so no it's not needed but it's probably one of the best tools I have these days.
I have a landline at home and a front door. If I don't feel like it I don't answer either.
I find my iPhone useful when I'm out and about though I use very few apps - email, weather, a bit of facebook and browsing, radio and music from iTunes. It's also always on silent so it doesn't beg for my attention every 2 minutes.
Mine is very often on Do Not Disturb - any time I feel like I owe someone who is with me my undivided attention, or I don't owe anyone else mine. And I very rarely mess with it while I'm trying to do something else.
But the advantages of having a powerful, internet connected computer in my pocket are huge.
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So, in summary, what we are saying is this:
" There's you and there's your smart phone. One of those is a complete tool. Try and make sure it's not you " 😀
No a smart phone or even any sort of mobile isn't a need. We need food,master and shelter. Would I downgrade my smart phone for a normal mobile, absolutely not.



