[Closed] Doctor Who (may contain spoilers)

Didn't even know it was on last night.

My money's on Danny Dyer

Rubbish. Really didn't understand why the girl had the star in her eye, why Bill was designated pilot, what the puddle was. Worst episode for a few seasons, and there's been some stinkers.

Stop watching it after David Tennant but had few glimpse ... it's shite now.

Thought I'd give it a try last night as nothing else was on, watched maybe half it then switched it off and went on Battlefield 1.

It's not great anymore.

Didn't even consider watching it last night. By the sounds of this thread, won't be going on the catch-up list either. The bits of the last couple of series I've seen have been terrible.

The sooner Moffatt shuffles off, the better.

Kris Marshall? Seems a bit too gormless to play the Doctor.

Pretty rubbish episode.

I should've known better than to ask really. I really enjoyed it, thought Bill was great.

Rubbish. Really didn't understand why the girl had the star in her eye, why Bill was designated pilot, what the puddle was. Worst episode for a few seasons, and there's been some stinkers.

Then you weren't actually watching it, as it explained all those things.

Not seen it yet, but I've enjoyed the Capaldi episodes.

And any chance of a 'Spoiler Alert' in the title, seeing as the relevant name is now in the main body of the thread?

Didn't make much sense but easy watching.

Oh, new companion seems good. Well acted.

My mate said his kids were watching from behind pillows. That'll do.

And any chance of a 'Spoiler Alert' in the title,

Good point, done. I deliberately didn't name names.

Ta Cougar.

Just about to fire up the iPlayer.
Is it wrong to be more excited about Doctor Who at 48 than I was as a kid?
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(Don't bother answering, I know.......)

Shameless pimp for an article written by a friend of mine.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/15/doctor-who-season-10-after-the-pilot-im-already-falling-in-love-with-the-show-again-6569856/

(Elsewhere he also describes Nardole 'as a cross between Jeeves and Penfold,' which is just superb.)

Kamakazie - Member
Didn't make much sense but easy watching.

Oh, new companion seems good. Well acted.

I'm with you on that one

And any chance of a 'Spoiler Alert' in the title, seeing as the relevant name is now in the main body of the thread?

Soz. 😉

Capaldi can do no wrong IMHO, likewise Lucas.

Time will tell if this series is a memorable one.

The Matt Smith years left me cold, tbh.

Loved the old fashioned feel and smaller scale of the Capaldi episodes, such a shame that he's off just as he's really getting into it.

Don't mind the new bloke, if it's true, but there was so much mileage left in PC.

why Bill was designated pilot

She wasn't. The pilot promised not to leave without her. Little makes sense without that.

Great episode I thought, felt like a real fresh start.

I never clicked with Matt Smith. He always seemed to be doing a poor Tennant impersonation (not helped by the fact that the writers were accustomed to writing for DT I suppose). If the order had been changed - Tennant > Capaldi > Smith I think perhaps it might've worked a lot better.

felt like a real fresh start.

Almost certainly intentional given the episode title. For all his failings, Moffat is way too clever for that to be an accident.

What's in the vault?

I though Christopher Ecclestone was excellent.

I'd go Tennant, Smith (everyone expects a poor second album), Capaldi, Ecclestone.

I think the complete contrast between the last two would work really well.

I though Christopher Ecclestone was excellent.

John Simm in The Vault? Mondasian Cyberman?

Thought it was an OK episode. Agree it feels like a fresh start. Bill pretty good as a companion - smart. clever foil to Matt Lucas' bemused background gurning. Shame all the hints are that she won't last the series, although that could just be Moffat playing his usual games

Series trailer thing appeared to show a regeneration type event happening to Capaldi. Kris Marshall might be to goofy to be anything other than another Matt Smith, so I personally hope it's not him (although he is no longer working on Death In Paradise so it's plausible).

Series trailer thing appeared to show a regeneration type event happening to Capaldi

Yeah, it's already confirmed that this is his last season.

slowoldman - Member
I though Christopher Ecclestone was excellent.

Yes. Just the right amount of mania.

Cougar - Moderator
Series trailer thing appeared to show a regeneration type event happening to Capaldi
Yeah, it's already confirmed that this is his last season.

Loved that, all good for me.

Agree pretty much with Cougar's mate's article above too.

To be a good Doctor I need to believe he/she is capable of taking off and nuking from orbit (if it is the only way to be sure). Mr Marshall does not give that impression. The Doctor needs to have a dark side. This is why Capaldi and Ecclestone were so good.

I saw Tilda Swinton is pretty hotly tipped, I thought she was too big a name but she'd be a bloody awesome Dr. I've never really "got" capaldi at all as the Doctor but then I thought the Matt Smith episodes at their best were as good as Dr Who's ever been- funny, warm, clever and confident.

If the Elephant Man was kinda like the Hulk in that a normal human changed into him, then Matt Smith would be the phase between human and John Merrick. Or perhaps Manimal somehow stuck between creature morphing.

Either way he was too distorted to be a regular face on tv.

Enjoyed it, a little darkness and terror, some suspense about the vault and a lead on into what's to come. Will malcom tucker be needed for the brexishambles return?

I wanted Peter Capaldi to be a success, I like him as an actor. Unfortunately I found him to be the weakest of the new era by far. Ecclestone the best by a country mile. "Dalek" is for me yet to be bettered.

Have they had the first gay Dalek on-screen [s]kiss[/s] plunger bump yet ?

Coyote - Member
I wanted Peter Capaldi to be a success, I like him as an actor. Unfortunately I found him to be the weakest of the new era by far.

After the first couple of episodes, I would have agreed with you.
He looked lost and confused.
Still not sure if it was genuine nerves, excellent acting or a bit of overthinking from all involved, including me.
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What with this, Robot Wars and the JC free Top Gear, I'm in my second TV childhood.

Best Doctor of the new era. Proper balance of childishness, menace and just plain alien-ness. Only Doctor where it really felt like he wasn't human.

I liked Eccleston. It's a shame he spat the dummy over the whole thing.

For me, the Doctor has to have both eccentricity and gravitas. One or the other is trivial, finding both is a bigger ask. It's why Tom Baker was so very good, he was mad as a box of frogs but if he tells you to run you'd bloody well run. Capaldi nails this as well, he can channel his inner Malcolm Tucker when he puts his mind to it.

It's also why I never really clicked with Matt Smith; he'd got the eccentricity nailed, but for instance watching the Pandorica scene where he's shouting down the universe I expected the universe to shout back "who the hell are you, you're 12, jog on mate." I didn't dislike him exactly, rather he just felt like a poor man's Tennant. In Day of the Doctor where they're side by side, Tennant acts Smith off the screen (and John Hurt demolishes both of them).

After the first couple of episodes, I would have agreed with you.
He looked lost and confused.

I think he was [i]supposed[/i] to look lost and confused. Post-regeneration and all that.

Still much prefer the Moffat era episodes to RTD. There's an odd hate by a portion of the fan base for Moffat. I just find RTD's stuff was a bit too silly and Buffyesque in places (he said he wanted to make it Buffy anyway. I hate Buffy BTW 😉 ).

Some cracking episodes under RTD though and many of those were written by Moffat anyway.

Capaldi's stories aren't as strong as Matt Smith's stuff. I really liked the whole Pond/Rory story arc and darker tone. It's gone a bit "pop" with Capaldi (enough with the guitar), though he does look the part.

Anyway this one seemed pretty good. A fresh start and Bill has a lot of potential.

Just a shame Capaldi and Moffat are going. I fear Chibnall era will be awful. Terrible stuff he did on Torchwood and some of the Who episodes he did (with one exception).

deadkenny - Member

Capaldi's stories aren't as strong as Matt Smith's stuff. I really liked the whole Pond/Rory story arc and darker tone.

Yup. TBH I don't think it's really fair to judge Capaldi on this, he's had a load of really bland episodes and not much arc at all. Tennant's best [i]episodes[/i] were just fantastic... But Smith IMO got the best overall run

WHat utter toss. Surprised they havent forced a 'trans' companion down our throats yet to get another diversity box ticked.
On the plus side ive been re-watching some of the ecclestone/tennant ones on exodus - most of them utterly utterly brilliant.

oldtalent - Member
WHat utter toss. Surprised they havent forced a 'trans' companion down our throats yet to get another diversity box ticked.

Oldtalent, to be clear, do you have a problem with gay or black characters in TV programmes?
Just so that we know which particular type of odious shit you are.

It's a real problem.

http://newsthump.com/2017/04/17/everyone-who-watched-doctor-who-now-gay/

kelvin - Member

Oldtalent, to be clear, do you have a problem with gay or black characters in TV programmes?

I don't think anyone would have a problem with non-white, non-heterosexual characters in TV if they were ever there for a valid reason. it's just that this literally never happens and most likely never will, because stories involving minorities are at best boring and more usually just weird and confusing. So clearly it's always just to tick the diversity box. They have this big form for every programme you know...

I can't tell if you're joking Northwind. Hope that you are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

Surprised they havent forced a 'trans' companion down our throats yet to get another diversity box ticked.

Well I suppose the master isn't really a companion but technically a trans character?

I realised a couple of days ago when watching the last Xmas special on Netflix how much I had warmed to Capaldi. It's a shame he's going!

I loved The Pilot, lots of insightful relationship type stuff and witty dialogue, all the things that has made Moffats tenure such a joy 🙂

I've just watched it. I enjoyed it, moreso than the Christmas episode that I watched part of then forgot to finish.

I didn't click with Smith, though perhaps some of the stories then were pretty good. I'm still undecided with Capaldi, though he'll probably be gone before I do make up my mind. I think I liked Tenant the most of the new generation.

Thanks Cougar, I was a bit thrown there. Couldn't discern wit from ignorance in that post; my failing.

Well I suppose the master isn't really a companion but technically a trans character?

Ah, well, no one can come out of a discussion about whether the master is now Trans looking good… minefield! And do we get two regenerations of the Master at the same time this series? "The Two Masters?" What will he get up to with himself/herself if so? Could get very confusing.

I'm sad Capaldi's going, he's come closest to Hartnell, 'my' Doctor, although Hartnell could never, ever be said to do 'funny', not even 'mildly amusing', his Doctor was, however, someone who you'd be unwise to turn your back on, and Capaldi definitely has that side to the character, mad, bad, and very dangerous to know.

WHat utter toss. Surprised they havent forced a 'trans' companion down our throats yet to get another diversity box ticked.

kelvin - Member

Thanks Cougar, I was a bit thrown there. Couldn't discern wit from ignorance in that post; my failing.

If in doubt, just assume i'm totally hilarious

I really wanted to lime the Capaldi Who but Jenna Coleman put me off. I recently went back to watch all the Capaldi episodes and I really enjoyed them. I think it just took a few for him to develop his own version of the character. I'll be sad when he goes.

Not sure about Bill. Having a companion more eccentric than the Doctor?

What do we think so far then?

Not too bad so far, enjoyed last night's, but was that a spoiler in the preview for next week?
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Last weeks felt a bit flat, tbh and was expecting a bit more from Frank Cottrell-Boyce's episode two.

I really like Bill, best companion for a while.
Fingers pointlessly crossed.

So it's no longer Tom Baker?

Not too bad so far, enjoyed last night's, but was that a spoiler in the preview for next week?

Just caught up. Had its faults but I thought that episode was ace. As Ninth may have said, David Suchet was [i]fantastic.[/i]

Can't comment on the preview, I leap on the 'stop' button as soon as it goes "next time...", been burned by that once too often.

Suchet was outstanding. His voice breaking up at the end was wonderful.

So, what's in the box?

It plays piano, so not likely to be a dalek. Captain Harkness, perhaps?

I think the Vault may be holding The Master.

Never watch the previews!!

Cougar - Moderator
I think the Vault may be holding The Master.

Yup, reckon so.

Random fact: that's the same house they filmed Blink (Weeping Angels) in.

Yup, reckon so.

I base this notion on nothing other than the fact, who else would play a piano and be spoken to the way The Doctor just did? I don't even remember what happened to him (her) last.

Attempting to reason with Daleks on Skaro, I think.
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Yeah enjoyed last night's episode (Knock Knock - wow didn't realize that was Suchet). The previous week (Thin Ice) was a bit lame.

Suchet was superb - real, raw, genuine emotion in those final scenes from him. Who of the highest order.

In the vault?

It's a Timelord? Maybe, though I feel that's a little predictable. It's someone dark, a genius & a slightly sick sense of humour. Stands to reason it's Missy. Though, I'm hoping for something else....

Jenna Coleman put me off

You must have meant 'got me off'

I think the Vault may be holding The Master.

Pretty much my thoughts too after all what other character would be happy being told a story by the Doctor where lots of young people get killed.

Then again that might be too obvious. I never saw the "He will knock four times" coming.

Surely got to be either Missy or The Master in the vault given it's clearly a big part of the series arc and we know John Simm is coming back at some point.

got to be either Missy or The Master in the vault

I wonder if we might see both, in a wibbly-wobbly Two Doctors regeneration crossover sort of affair. That could be cool (and why else would you bring John Simm back?)

I think Simm is great but was never convinced with him as The Master. Gomez, OTOH, was brilliant.

I thought the Simm/Tennant story arc was a bit too messianic for me, tbh.

I'm sure it's one or both of them in the vault, but it could just be the new Doctor, or several old ones?

BTW, don't Google anything Who related atm.

Just looked up the name of the actor slated to replace PC and it's brought up a whole raft of spoilers.
You really don't want to know.

So, what's in the box?

Osgood's making a comeback

I thought the Simm/Tennant story arc was a bit too messianic for me, tbh.

The doctor who writers just can't write an ending, the 2 potential sci-fi classics in the series reboot, Simm as the master and the one based in the school at the outbreak of the war, just dissolved into utter stupidity, I could have written better endings to them both.

I've just caught up with this weeks.

Quite tense at first, Suchet was doing a good job of quiet menace and oddness.

But then he did his little boy voice and ruined it. A genuine laugh out loud moment. But not in a good way.

So what did we think of tonight's?

Cliched 'running around in corridors' fare, but well executed and genuinely tense I thought.

I liked that one, just realised this series is 12 episodes.

Enjoyed, a slow demise and a loss of confidence is a good direction. Hoping they pull it off properly without too much filler. Blind in 4/12 leaves a bit of interesting time

Loved it.

Whilst the episode left something to be desired the direction the series may be heading down is intriguing. I love a good regeneration!