[Closed] Do travellers pay their taxes?

I think that without blustering codshite that you learned from bias sources the thinking man would have to admit that maybe some travellers.. like some settled people.. don't pay taxes..

I went to school with at least seven different traveller families (that I knew of)..
I am still in touch with a couple of them and categorically state that I would be shocked if they and their extended families did not pay taxes the same as we do..

Really, is one closed thread on this kind of topic not enough for one day? Let's just leave it and move on,

Do MP's fiddle their expenses?
Do bankers pay themselves massive bonuses?

If being a traveller is so great why don't you join up?

Do travellers pay their taxes?

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Really, is one closed thread on this kind of topic not enough for one day? Let's just leave it and move on

Keep quiet. I've just opened some biscuits. 😉

Do they claim benefits ?

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For them or the slaves?

I met an Asian member of the travelling community in Norwich. He was concerned about the abuse of the NHS by immigrant bankers.

Its the top end who avoid the tax.

Are slaves tax deductible?

It depends what colour they are.

I don't see what the problem is tbh. Pikeys have a reputation to think of. They can't be selling lucky 'eather, playing the banjo, cattle rustling and robbing banks without [b]some[/b] sort of domestic assistance.

thinking about it.. those travellers I know possibly don't pay taxes..

why do we pay [i]our[/i] taxes though..?

Is it out of a pious sense of moral justice or is it just pure flock mentality and cowardice..?

Do massive corporations regularly avoid paying tax? Y'know, like Vodafone...

Do many STWers buy stuff from abroad, thus avoiding having to pay import duties and stuff...?

I do love it when the shitty actions of one group are used to validate the shitty actions of another group.

I met an Irish mayn in Bristol. He was concerned about the confusion between Plymouth Argyle and Yeovil Town kits.

all of the above are doing wrong it doesnt make it right, if we want a just and fair society we all have to do and pay our bit.

And Real Betis.

TuckerUK - Member

Member ‘Northwind’ recently posted that it was ‘a simple lie’ that ‘travellers’ (I refuse to use the word ‘Gypsies’ because they are a race) ‘pay no taxes’.

Yes I did. And yes, of course it is, as you admit yourself. Cool thread bro!

It is true that Travellers do not pay rent or council tax on unauthorised camping sites

Dont some live on authorised sites though, implying that they do pay council tax?

Deportivo Cali?

I do love it when the shitty actions of one group are used to validate the shitty actions of another group.

I think they are being used to suggest that it doesn't make sense to single out one group, in this case travellers, for their tax avoidance/evasion. Singling them out in this way seems to be a rationale for what sounds very much like casual racism.

Some do, some don't. Who cares, it'd be a small amount compared to what is legally avoided anyway.

Confused as to why the OP started a new thread to counter the original statement, then agreed with it in his own post. What a tool 😆

[i]Dont some live on authorised sites though, implying that they do pay council tax?[/i]

Only a small percentage, though the amount lost appears to be peanuts in the grand scale of thing.

[url] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1502866/Most-travellers-dodge-council-tax.html [/url]

It is true that Travellers do not pay rent or council tax on unauthorised camping sites
Dont some live on authorised sites though, implying that they do pay council tax?

'travellers' on a permanent site. Immobile.
Not travelling = Not traveller

Hmm...

The Tories [b]estimate[/b] that the amount lost annually is £730,000.

(Note the use of the word 'estimate'; ie, no actual figure to support the argument)

Even if it were true, How does £730,000 compare to, say, [b][i]six billion[/i][/b] that Vodafone got away with avoiding? Or even the amount STWers avoid in import duty etc on Chris King Headsets bought from US websites?

And that's just [u]one[/u] company.

Still, easier to pick on an already marginalised minority than huge global corporations with massive economic and political influence, eh?

Little people feel good when they can feel superior to someone else.

Not all 'businesses' are required to be VAT registered.

Anyway it's the dimwits that pay cash for work like that without asking questions that keeps the whole dodgy economy going.

Not travelling = Not traveller

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£730k is less than one of my friends has avoided paying in income tax last year! What a banker 😯

[i]Little people feel good when they can feel superior to someone else.[/i]

So we're all little people compared to Hitler?

Godwin FTW 🙂

[i]Or even the amount STWers avoid in import duty etc on Chris King Headsets bought from US websites?[/i]

Quite true. Plus I bet hardly anyone on here will own up to the slave they keep under the stairs either.

Would that be EvenRicherPenny?

I thought pikeys were accepted now, since Paddy won Big Brother. Did I miss a memo?

less than a century ago these people were a common and even welcome sight on our roadsides.. but [i]our[/i] attitudes changed

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Elfin. Comparing vodafone to travellers is cheap sensationalism. Vodafone employ many thousands of UK citizens, pay them a wage, NI contributions etc and that wage is then ploughed back through the economy as the employees spend their hard earned pennies, pay their income taxes etc. Just how are you comparing that to what travellers contribute?

And stop talking about CK headsets bought from the US avoiding 'import duty'. There will be 20% vat + an import charge levied to it at the point of customs, payable by the recipient before he can get it from royal mail/parcelforce.

Thread lock sweepstake.
I'll go for 46 posts.

Plus I bet hardly anyone on here will own up to the slave they keep under the stairs either.

Nah, mine's in the loft.

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Just how are you comparing that to what travellers contribute?

I think he was comparing the 6000000000 that Vodafone does not pay in tax to the 730000 that the travellers do not pay in tax. When you see it like that, one of those problems does indeed appear to be more sizeable than the other....

True Yunki,
And fine upstanding bankers were respected too.
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Strange times we live in.

grtdkad - Member

'travellers' on a permanent site. Immobile.
Not travelling = Not traveller

I think you're confusing travellers with sharks? One of them has to keep moving constantly, the other can stop occasionally. A traveller on a permanent site isn't neccesarily there permanently- it's the [i]site[/i] that's permanent.

Yep there's routinely threads on here about how to best avoid paying import duty on bikes/bits from the US, how to best fiddle the bike to work scheme etc etc - doesn't really bother me except for the hypocrisy of it all.

Elfin. Comparing vodafone to travellers is cheap sensationalism.

Oh it is, is it?

Explain please.

(Sits drumming fingers on table, waiting...) 🙄

Deleted my own comments, had a second thought, just incase my employers are listening 🙂

You say that, but for balance have you ever tried calling vodafone's customer care call centre?

Elfin. Comparing vodafone to travellers is cheap sensationalism. Vodafone employ many thousands of UK citizens, pay them a wage, NI contributions etc and that wage is then ploughed back through the economy as the employees spend their hard earned pennies, pay their income taxes etc. Just how are you comparing that to what travellers contribute?

Since you say it like that, it must be ok for vodafone not to pay tax. 🙄

less than a century ago these people were a common and even welcome sight on our roadsides.. but our attitudes changed

They would still be fine and welcome to me.

However, if some nasty scrotes turned up in a van pretending to be competent tradesmen, conned someone out of several thousand pounds worth of work, did a terrible job illegally, then threatened to firebomb the owner of the defrauded company for daring to confront them, before disappearing off to a nearby 'travellers site' where they claim immunity, please excuse me for not really liking the way they do business or my drawing some sort of link between your picture and my scenario.

You can stop drumming your fingers now Elfin, that must have been a long night for you...

Not condoning VF shirking tax, or even suggesting they might be an entirely saintly company. But I am trying to shed a little balance to any arguement that looks to compare them to a community of travellers by pointing out why the economy (not to mention charity) benefits from them. If anybody can compare how travellers benefit the UK economy in a similar fashion I'll happily reform my viewpoint and can all happily box them both in the same category.

The comparison is quite straightforward.

Both Vodafone and a certain % of travellers don't pay the tax they should. The amount of tax owed by both parties differs, as does their method of avoidance. It is not possible to distinguish between the two unless you wish to offer a subjective opinion on the travelling community.

There you go, easy.