Do StW posters not like Downhill ?

I'm pretty sure, quite a lot of stw posters don't even ride bikes, let alone watch DH ?

Not many. Most see the forum as somewhere to centre left to very left middle class people to talk politics. If your luck there is some gravel. It’s like the way the magazine is going unfortunately.

I’m looking forward to it. I hope tannee can catch pompom for the win. I don’t think we are likely to see a men’s winner this year. It’s unlikely Hatton will retain as that happens so rarely and I don’t see who else could. One or 2 in the top 10 is my best forecast

I agree that i am surprised across cycling media in general that there isn’t more on Heather Wilson, what a star!

But, jeez it’s hard to get into it this year as it’s so hard to find where to watch it. Currently watching teh women’s WChamps, and the coverage on this is awful. You get about 20 seconds of each run - 5 secs of the top and 15 secs of the end of the run. Utter shite.

The demographic here tends to middle-aged middle class men I believe.  🙂  A young mans sport really

DH is the only mountainbiking type thing that makes anything like decent telly.  Its the only one I will watch but I have no passion for it.

Men’s DH is live at 14:30 on discovery+. That’s where I have been enjoying the season so far. It’s less than a couple of pints a month

It's obviously cheating just riding downhill. If you don't suffer riding your bike up the hill, it doesn't count. Also, many of those so called "professionals" look very unkempt, long scruffy hair and they look like they're wearing their pajamas. Bet most of them don't even own a tie.

I'm watching it right now. I've seen almost every race since the Freecaster days and before that it was Sprung and Earthed.

I don't talk about it on here because it's all slippers, pizza ovens and gravel bikes.

We’re all over on Pinkbike.
(Ranting about the coverage)

Is it on BBC? I can't find it on iPlayer?

I used to be an F1 petrolhead (been to Silverstone, would watch all the races) until it disappeared behind a paywall and the free coverage was crap.

Same with DH - I've had loads of DH bikes, rode Les Arc and Morzine many times, been going to Fort William WCDH for many years and then it went behind a paywall and/or the coverage became crap.

These interests aren't the centre of my world so as soon as it's becomes even slightly more difficult than it was then "I'm out"

It's on Red Button, as opposed to iPlayer, which is a bit unhelpful IMHO.

Country listings

I just watched the womens race on Tiz. So far the mens race is obscured by a UCI screensaver.

It's on the BBC red button but not until later tonight.

We went out early to ride Cutgate so we would be back in time to watch the women's and the men's on Discovery +

I'm probably not the norm on here.  Ride bikes, like DH and a women

I like riding down hills

They make watching the live DH so difficult I've stopped bothering since the red bull TV days. Plus the coverage is usually not that great, I get that it's hard to film the whole course but 2 minutes of a 5 minute run showing the same jump or section of woods with that awful chainsaw background that the fans there seem to think is the thing to do just makes it a little boring, especially if conditions are good.

I think a lot on here are “wheels on the ground” riders and don’t really relate to it.

I don’t talk about it on here because it’s all slippers, pizza ovens and gravel bikes

To be fair the pros could ride a gravel bike down the DH courses a lot faster than the AVG STWer could ride down the course on a DH rig

Part of the problem watching downhill for many of us over-the-hill riders is it makes us feel useless and envious… so we turn our heads and pretend it doesn’t exist ?

...it makes us feel useless and envious… so we turn our heads and pretend it doesn’t exist ?

That's what I do with all of the 'What should I do with all this money?' threads on here.

I used to follow DH, not since it's paywalled though. I'm very much a wheels on the ground rider, not that I ride much.....left wing politics and pizza ovens are far more my kind of thing.

Edit: I'm watching via BBC website now....commentary....good lordy.

I'm getting the men's live on the BBC iPlayer.

Anyone got a link to the right page on iPlayer? Can't find it anywhere.

Edit: I'm in. Had to Google it. The navigation in the site is worse than Red Bull used to be .

I find it boring to watch...last 30 seconds of the run might be something but generally, it is boring as it is 1 rider and some shots of bits of the track. I find the xc more interesting as there are fights for positions all along the way - from lead right down to last...seems to be far more interesting to watch. All highly skilled riders (they all have to be to compete at that level - in any discipline), but watching just doesn't interest me.

I find it dull to watch live or on a screen. It's basically time-trialling in PJs. If you had a bunch start, with teams and you made them ride up to the top of the hill as well then you might have a chance at finding the best mountain biker. The only DH race that makes sense is Downieville, maybe Megavalanche.

I’m getting the men’s live on the BBC iPlayer.

Good shout from the Zappa fan. Ta.

I forgot about Pink bike.

Just had a look, might login again.

Forums look fun..... But how many ?.

And you can have an Avatar 🙂

With an infinite amount of time I'd be watching all the footage I could, but with a finite amount of time I'm just going to watch what I can relate to most and whatever is most easily televised, which to be fair is usually road riding which also benefits from being a bit of a rolling soap opera at times!

Same goes for riding in general, DH is just waaaaaay too high maintenance and time intensive. If I can't do it from my doorstep it's not happening, which is why I'm a fully blooded up gravel convert.

I guess people aare also susceptible to aligning with a preferred 'culture'. Sadly young rad dudes and dudesses on DH bikes just aren't mine any more!

I don't think STW has any real responsibility to cover it, used to be you would buy Dirt for DH and Singletrack for most else, simples!

Rose with the British enduro men's champion (well behind) last weekend will be cheering on Phoebe Gale today because I taught her and she's a really nice human. Won't play it on discovery until Mrs 100th gets home.

Tdf is the only cycling (actually sport) I watch and mostly just to see the helicopter shots of the french countryside.

I watched both the women's and men's races.  The commentary was still awful but the actual racing was great even if the course was a little dull (largely single line and flat out).  Proper edge of seat stuff for the last few runs of both even if my fantasy DH team went down in flames.  I really fancy a trip to Andorra now as the scenery looked epic 🙂

I find it dull to watch live or on a screen. It’s basically time-trialling in PJs. If you had a bunch start, with teams and you made them ride up to the top of the hill as well then you might have a chance at finding the best mountain biker. The only DH race that makes sense is Downieville, maybe Megavalanche.

I think yacht racing would be much more entertaining if they gave them cannons.

Is this where we're discussing the race then?

I really liked Tracey Mosley on commentary (it was Tracey Mosley, right?).  Someone should sign her up ASAP.  It was so refreshing when you think you see a rider making a mistake and then the commentator actually confirms it rather than just completely ignoring it before asking for the tenth time, 'He's 4 seconds behind going through the final split, can he make it up in the final sector?!!'

No Ric, he can't.  We already know that he can't and your trying to inject drama into every run is annoying.

I think yacht racing would be much more entertaining if they gave them cannons.

Exactly. I have similar proposals for soccerball too, especially the supporters.

I love Downhill but kind of lost interest when Redbull pulled out. Seems like it has passed from one rent seeker to another without a care for expanding distribution or coverage.

I don't even know where to watch it now.

Gwin / Minaar / Atherton / Hart days were so good.

Crazy thing is if there was a button on this website or Pinkbike that said watch for $x and I could just watch it then I would pay. Roping me into some subscription where I have no interest in the rest of the content, no thank you.

Hart days were so good

Has anyone told Danny he's done?

Crazy thing is if there was a button on this website or Pinkbike that said watch for $x and I could just watch it then I would pay. Roping me into some subscription where I have no interest in the rest of the content, no thank you.

I agree with this.

I like DH, but I’ve only seen the highlights since the coverage changed and I’m not going to subscribe to discovery

What sillysilly said.

Massive fan of DH and the STW fantasy table has lot of teams, so plenty of interest. Mind you my team is last, so what do I know?

I love riding down hill, but I'm not really interested in the competitive aspect of it. I do like watching Rampage though, or at least the highlights.

OP.... In years gone by the was plenty of chat about the races and the season.

I think since RedBull's coverage stopped interest declined.

Not many. Most see the forum as somewhere to centre left to very left middle class people to talk politics. If your luck there is some gravel. It’s like the way the magazine is going unfortunately.

Yeah.... And the editors probably drink RedBull.

I still watch it sometimes, used to watch it religiously but I think I overdosed on it at some point, it started to feel a bit samey (which is a daft thing to say considering that performance-wise we've been in a golden age of the sport, but, ah well).

Used to race occasionally, badly so maybe that helps with a bit of a connection, having rattled down fort william in like 7 minutes does help you really appreciate the difference.

I really fancy a trip to Andorra now as the scenery looked epic 🙂

Word of advice. Don’t go in the 2 weeks before a race. They close both lifts and all the trials, including the ones that drop down the other side of the hill to public access. The whole park gets shut down. Don’t ask me how I know….  Let’s just say I’m glad we found out before arriving and had a motorhome

Gwin / Minaar / Atherton / Hart days were so good.

The racing has never declined in quality though it's consistently brilliant year in year out. There's always entertaining riders, rivalries, wild runs, devastating losses etc.

Right now we've got Bruni the professional winning machine vs Pierron who is quite possibly the fastest man to ever set foot on a DH bike. There's the agonising wait for Dak's first win, the Irish invasion.

Despite the efforts of the suits in glass towers to ruin everything in search of some none existent pile of money, the racing has survived.

I can't wait until Warner Brothers get bored and drop it so someone else can pick it up.

The racing has never declined in quality though it’s consistently brilliant year in year out. There’s always entertaining riders, rivalries, wild runs, devastating losses etc.

Despite the efforts of the suits in glass towers to ruin everything in search of some none existent pile of money, the racing has survived.

Gotta agree with this - despite the ups and downs of the various broadcasters the racing (and stories behind it) has always shone through.

There's a YouTube video of a couple of riders going down Snowdon - that told me enough that it's something I'll never be able to do.

I don't really get my rocks off watching other people ride bikes. Or do sport really. I like riding bikes. And I ride bikes for pleasure to travel to and through scenic places.  Quiet places, maybe with a friend or two. Used to be competitive - not any more.

So yeah - DH isn't for me. Even less so being a 'fan' of other people doing it. And yeah - I'm now middle aged; but I don't think it'd done much for me at any age.

Just watched some highlights, dammmmmm Loic and Pieron are crazy fast.

Criminal it doesnt get better coverage. Needs to be subsidised somehow and just pushed live to a service without a paywall.

I just don't really get anything out of watching other people ride bikes on the telly.

Same goes for running around chasing balls or running around in circles. Sure, it's fun when you're doing it but watching other people? I'd rather be out riding my bike.

Shouldn't this be on the bike forum?

I chuffing love DH and watch as much as possible. Only on the insta to follow DH racers (and Gillian Anderson obvs) and get some behind the scenes gossip.

Their speed and casual skills make me weep.

DH seems to go in phases on STW, sometimes there are extensive thread and articles and sometimes, like this year, some vague threads and not a lot else.

With it coming straight after the summer break the champs have sort of passed me by. Same for last weekends F1. I'm very reliant on the YouTube algorithm to tell me all the race videos are out nowadays and it's not really got the memory to outlast a summer break, it seems... I think the DH season so far has been great fwiw

I’m a an ex XC racer, really annoys me the threads on here that try to willy wave about who is downhill, enduro etc.

My brother used to race downhill, pretty good racer, I was an ok XC racer, CX racer and a second cat roadie. It’s pretty obvious that the main issue with DH is the lack of coverage, or at the least coverage that is worth watching.

Even if I don’t ride the type of riding that the downhill guys and gals do, I can still appreciate. Its a shame that the tv coverage just isn’t good enough. I can still appreciate the DH riding even though I’m more than happy with my long distance XC style.

If there was more readily available content I’d watch it all day. I’m in awe of the skills, it’s just hard to find watchable content.

I find it boring to watch…last 30 seconds of the run might be something but generally, it is boring as it is 1 rider and some shots of bits of the track.

Same for me but then I find watching most sports boring. I like watching XC races but only watch highlights as don't want to sit through an hour of it. When it comes to sports I am more of a doer than a watcher and if there was decent DH from my door I would have a DH bike and be riding it many times a week. Still wouldn't be talking about it on this forum though.

Part of the problem watching downhill for many of us over-the-hill riders is it makes us feel useless and envious… so we turn our heads and pretend it doesn’t exist ?

Well, Pogacar is slightly quicker than me on the road but I still enjoy watching the TdF. I saw the World Cup at Fort William years ago, it was brilliant fun. Shame it's not more accessible on TV.

Part of the problem watching downhill for many of us over-the-hill riders is it makes us feel useless and envious… so we turn our heads and pretend it doesn’t exist ?

Shame politics doesn't elicit the same feelings for some.  But I suppose that's easier to engage with for the under-stimulated & over-medicated.

I watch it pretty regularly, TBH STW has never been a place for DH chat, there's the occasional thread, but the posters (myself included ) are more the 'going around in a massive circle in the woods' type riders, rather than the 'repeatedly throwing yourself down a hill ' type riders. It's a demographic things...probbly

I don't think you have to ride downhill to enjoy watching it and I quite often check out via Discovery+ and enjoy watching it in the same way that I - theoretically - might enjoy F1 as an occasional car driver. Agree that it's sometimes hard to find.

Also, and this is a personal take, I found years of Rob Warner's incoherent gibbering quite hard to listen to. I know it reflects something of the downhill 'scene', 'vibe', whatever you want to call it, but it never felt like I was understanding any more about what was going on from him. I'd far rather watch Ben Cathro's Pinkbike Youtube stuff.

For me he made downhill hard to enjoy, a bit like the horrific Carlton Kirby/Sean Kelly double act on road cycling TV coverage. But anyway, I like watching downhill, but don't have much to say about it beyond wow, that's very fast.

I find it resembles circus skills.

There's no real tension to it. Tom Pidcock in the Olympic cross country had real drama after he punctured and had to fight back too win.

I am sure it requires great skill and bravery but it's a manufactured spectacle like Red Bull falling off a cliff.

It's the most essential part of mountain biking , and I don't mind watching at all tho' most of what I see is youtube rather than live

Find a niche sport, build an app that makes discovering content difficult and then charge for it.

I think I only know one other person who I ride with who watches it live, or on same day - mostly because they don't have enough interest to know when it's on, how to watch it and definitely don't want to pay for it.

It's niche stuff though isn't it? I wonder how many DH bikes are sold in the UK each year, 200? 300? 150?

martinhutchFull Member
Hart days were so good
Has anyone told Danny he’s done?

Bit harsh.  Great ride and a great result yesterday. Fastest in Sector 4 and 2nd in 5 - 4th overall.  Less than half a second between the top 5.  He's around the top 10 this in the WC despite a new bike and less support.  You get the impression that he's just loving riding his bike this year, so why wouldn't he continue?

I though yesterday's racing was really good, coverage was okay, commentary was hard work.

I though yesterday’s racing was really good, coverage was okay, commentary was hard work.

Which commentary were you listening to (assuming there was more than one)?

I thought Tracey Moseley was excellent (again, assuming it was Tracey and not someone else, definitely wasn't Tracey Hannah).

Bit harsh.  Great ride and a great result yesterday

That was my lighthearted point, no-one seems to have let Danny know that he belongs to a past era.

It’s niche stuff though isn’t it? I wonder how many DH bikes are sold in the UK each year, 200? 300? 150?

Are people really this ignorant?

I can think of 4 uplifted venues within 3 hours drive and more if I want to push. Head down to Wales and it's likely the same story.

If the numbers were that small nobody would be selling them outside of niche builders.

It's no different in format to watching Ski Sunday, I'll never ski or snowboard that well, but it's interesting (to me) to see what can be done.

If the BBC could be persuaded (allowed) to put a magazine program on in the summer following all sorts of UCI disciplines, in a similar time slot I reckon there's be a lot of watchers and could drive more traffic to the paid channels...

Mrs Dubs has little interest in riding bikes but does enjoy the drama of a close DH race...

It’s no different in format to watching Ski Sunday, I’ll never ski or snowboard that well, but it’s interesting (to me) to see what can be done.

No, downhill skiing is way more interesting than dh mtb. Proper speed, no trees getting in the way of cameras.

But, jeez it’s hard to get into it this year as it’s so hard to find where to watch it.

which might explain why there’s more talk about things you can see (tdf, rugby,politics) than things you can’t watch all that readily

For balance:

No, downhill skiing is way more boring and predictable than dh mtb. There's only one racing line on a piste 15 metres wide, less variety in terrain and no rock gardens, the only jumps are rollers...

There is far more similarity and overlap between DH and alpine skiing than any other sport, i's not much of a coincidence that the back to back French U17 champion, Cassandre is also one of the top alpine skiers in Europe at U18 level.

squirrelkingFree Member

I can think of 4 uplifted venues within 3 hours drive and more if I want to push. Head down to Wales and it’s likely the same story.

If the numbers were that small nobody would be selling them outside of niche builders.

Are people really this ignorant?

When I go to Inners, Farmer Johns, Antur, Danny's or wherever I'd say there are more long travel enduro bikes than DH bikes.   I've just come back from (an awesome) two weeks in the Alps, definitely a lot more DH bikes there but many were hire bikes.

The DH bikes I see are rarely new, most people I know keep their DH bikes for three or four years given how much use they get and how often the design changes.  My current Gambler is 2024, but it's a 2020 design.

You're calling me ignorant, so maybe you can tell me how many DH bikes you think are sold in the UK each year @squirrelking?

martinhutchFull Member
That was my lighthearted point, no-one seems to have let Danny know that he belongs to a past era.

Sorry, I read it a completely different way.

TBH OP, much as I like DH I no longer really have the time to engage with it as a fan, and not having a DHing child (I've tried) I'm not really engaged with it anymore.

Weeksy is the man living many of our middle-aged MTBist dreams at present, I'd guess he's probably busy doing the 'DH Dad' thing currently rather than typing about it on here... Hats off to him.

15-20 years ago I had a cobbled together DH bike, dabbled in local races and watched whatever coverage I could lay my eyes on... But now, without any real connection to it, a lack of talent and an aging body, there's other things for me to do of a weekend...

These days it's a younger (better funded?) persons game. And who really wants to be an avid fan of something they're not really able to participate in at some level? 

Has it not sunk in yet?

STW posters don’t like anything.

^ I disapprove of this comment.

Has it not sunk in yet?

STW posters don’t like anything.

If you like.

Sold my DH bike and bought an enduro bike as I'm faster and better on it. Love riding DH just don't bother watching it or any sport really.

You’re calling me ignorant, so maybe you can tell me how many DH bikes you think are sold in the UK each year @squirrelking?

Honestly I couldn't say but your estimate seems way below the threshold that one manufacturer, never mind many sharing that market would just not bother.

As an aside you seem to be taking that personally, the ignorance thing was about knowledge as opposed to attitude. No offence was intended so apologies if it came across that way.

Oh and I wouldn't bother with a full DH bike for FJ either

Not raced any DH, but do watch it. Yeah, it's got worse on Discovery and Rob Warner/ Red Bull was better...etc , but still it's DH on tele so I will watch it. Same for xco, but I have raced xc before. Once the DH/XCO season is done then I will cancel Discovery and restart it next season.

I enjoy watching DH, though from a participation point of view it's well above my pay grade. I enjoy Cathro's track walks, and the different line choices he explores when ghosting different riders' practice runs. Was a bit fed up to find that the coverage I thought I'd recorded off Eurosport the other night turned out to be a stage of the Vuelta instead?! Ffs!

I like watching downhill, but I don’t rave about it or  XC racing in my posts.

Yes, I’m more of a wheels on the ground rider in terms of jumps, especially now - but loved riding drops.

Yes, DH racers are way more skilful than I have ever been -  but watching them ride is thrilling.

i kinda like it 🙂

I was in the same field as @weeksy this weekend - at a Pearce series DH race. Managed to poach a watch of the men’s elite race via @rockitman but was out on my bike when the women’s race was on and lack of phone signal put me largely in the dark for news this weekend. By the looks of the Pearce series, there are plenty of people keen on riding DH, but when you’re all in a field with no signal you can’t chat about it on the web!

squirrelkingFree Member
You’re calling me ignorant, so maybe you can tell me how many DH bikes you think are sold in the UK each year @squirrelking?

Honestly I couldn’t say but your estimate seems way below the threshold that one manufacturer, never mind many sharing that market would just not bother.

Two blokes arguing about something neither has the facts on - I’ve not seen that on here before… I’d still like you to have a guess at how many bikes though - pin your colours… 🙂

I think the total downhill market for new bikes will be less than the total UK market for super sports bikes over 1,000cc - so Panigale, Fireblade, ZX10 and so on. That’s a niche/halo product whos sport gets much better coverage on the TV, much higher attendance at races from spectators.  I think more of the general population would recognise it.

The total UK registrations for all super sports bikes is a three figure, not a four figure, number - and has been for some time.

I can’t think of many bike shops that have a range of sizes from one brand, let alone two, of DH bikes in stock - I’m guessing mostly they are special order in for most shops.

None of this is meant to be negative by the way - I think it’s a great sport. I’ve loved it since the 90s and while I don’t race anymore my son does - I love going to races.

Nationals, SDAs and the excellent Pearce series have about 250 competitors, and between 50 and 80% are under 19 years old - so hopefully the facilities and events now means we can retain people in the sport and hopefully  it’s at the start of a resurgence.

Not really. I chuck it on if I see a stream of it but for some reason I prefer watching mass-start races like XC - holds my attention a bit better, and races like that seem more like races. Even that is a bit dull though, it's usually one person flies off the front and stays away all race.

Love riding mountain bikes, prefer watching road bikes.

Also - I love that one of the first comments on here is just a wee bit away from calling not watching DH woke, with thinly veiled jabs as "centre left" people. That's a new one.

Looking forward to the last two rounds of the WC. Catching up on the stories from all the media outside of the main broadcast is the best way to absorb it.