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I know this has probably been covered before but searching the forum hasn't helped.
I hired an iSUP yesterday and had a paddle on the local river for an hour. It was really enjoyable and a harder workout than I imagined. Now I've got a hankering for one of my own but will it be one of those fad buys that gets used a few times and then goes in the cellar for eternity?
What have folk on here bought and would recommend if I do decide to buy one? The Decathlon ones look pretty good to my untrained eye, but Halfords bikes look good to some people.
£300-£400 buys you a proper one.
Red Paddle s/h with pump easily available.
Will you use it 3 times a year? Dunno, are you interested in using it 4 times a year ? Only you know that one.
Pondering this myself after doing an intro course last week with my daughter. Always been a Decathlon fan but, like op, wondering if its a case of buy vheap, buy twice. Red ones seem the proper business but £800+ for the kit. Personally thinking i go to lakes where i can hire a SUP this year and then decide from there next year, maybe pick up a secondhand one in the autumn sell off as the weather gets colder!
i tried a inflatable SUP for the first time last week. really easy to pick up but really hard work in even relatively light breeze. Only advantage I can see over a kayak is ability to pack it away.
not sure if the hard SUP's are better in the wind but then you lose the advantage of packability.
I have the SUP bug of late. As you say done well it can be a proper workout. It is also a relaxing way to see the world if that is your thing and arguably one of the best ways to enjoy the smaller surf found in most of the uk most of the time. We have an iSUP (12'6" Red voyager) and a rigid composite SUP (14' Naish Glide). For the moment I'm borrowing smaller surfing sups from friends as and when but I'm sure n+1 will happen at some point. The rigid Naish is a totally different beast to the iSUP- the extra rigidity on the water is incredibly noticeable, and that is from a top end isup in the Red. It's also a lot more fragile, harder to store and you need it on a roof rack to get it about. One directional trips take a lot more planning. But it's ace.
Will SUP be for you - I guess it depends on a few things. Do you have somewhere to go? You will I imagine quickly tire of travelling small distances and 'messing about'. Unless you get into surfing or whitewater SUPing (yes, it's a thing!) the natural advancement is into adventure/touring. A paddle to XXXX (sub in nice place, pub, cafe) and back or a one way (downwind/ downstream) journey can be great fun. I've got a paddle planned for a couple of weeks time of 23km down a loch which notoriously has the wind funnel down it. As a downwind day adventure it should be great - I'll just wait for a breezy day!
Wind however can be your enemy. Kayaking into a headwind or even across the breeze is a bit of a pain - SUPing takes that to another level. To that end they are a bit more tender about when you might use them. On my multi day trips so far I have been even more conscious of the forecast that I would be in a sea kayak. Chop and unsettled water is also not ideal, especially as you are learning and at the very least slows you down. However, board design can have a big impact on this too - the 14' Naish I have was paddled across the English Channel and back by a previous user (it was owned by a centre as a demo board and hired out to him for the trip).
The decathlon itiwit boards do seem very good for the money. I have a friend who has a couple and they seem solid. No way in hell I'd swap our Red for one of his Itiwits as ours is so much stiffer and the general build quality is better but they are still great and a fraction of the price of the Red. I can't share the review because it's behind a paywall but the Supboarderpro review was very favourable. However.....whatever brand you go for get the right type and size of board for you. A beginner friendly touring shape might suit if that is the direction you might want to go long term or a beginner friendly all round or surf orientated one might get you cruising down some small little waves/ripples if that's more your thing. This link in the non paid section of Supboarder might be useful as are some of the articles you should still be able to get you without subscribing - https://www.supboardermag.com/equipment-guide/?_tested=1
edit - in response to above re comparison to kayaking I thought the same too for about 10 years. But partly because I've now used better boards and partly because of issues with my hip that are making kayaking for any length of time tricky I've come around to SUP. I can reliably move at 5kmh (over water which in itself might be moving) over a days touring inc short stops and around 7-8kmh doing a shorter training paddle. Both in smoothish water on a calm day. That goes down a lot if there is wind however. I can also carry 60-70l of luggage without much issue....on the right board.
I've got a decathlon itiwit sup, had it for a couple of years now, it does the job just fine, it's well made and quite stiff, it goes well enough.
I'm sure the more expensive ones are better though, but whether you can justify the extra cost is up to you - I couldn't justify it for my usage.
I'm wanting one, had a couple of goes on borrowed Reds, not tried a Decathalon one and wonder if starting on the high end ones will have spoiled me. The irockers look good, Sportpursuit often have some different brands, Simple boards at the mo, don't know what they're like?
As above I initially wanted a Sea kayak but lower back issues mean they get painful so SUP it is.
Really not sure what sort of board I should get though. Live in Worthing so sea as well as Adur, Arun, Cuckmere haven etc all possible. 85kg and would like to take a kid on the front sometimes. Thinking something around 11ft but beyond that dunno, tri or single fin, something that can surf the small waves we tend to get round here or is that pointless and just go for stability? Any pointers welcome
I've just bought an Itwit / Decathlon SUP - the 12'6" x 29" 'touring' model which is on offer for £400. I've tried out a few of the Red Paddle ones and frankly can't tell the difference to pay 2x the price - I'm not heavy and it's plenty stiff enough for me. Wasn't interested in a rigid board because I want to take mine in my camper van. Doesn't feel any slower than the Red equivalent and better glide than a 10ft x 32" board which many people start with. I live close to a canal - I've a fla****er racing kayak too - but I bought the SUP on the basis my dog can join me, although she tends to use it more of a 'launching platform' for swimming rather than coming along for the ride so need to persevere a bit more.
Live in Worthing so sea as well as Adur, Arun, Cuckmere haven etc all possible. 85kg and would like to take a kid on the front sometimes. Thinking something around 11ft but beyond that dunno, tri or single fin, something that can surf the small waves we tend to get round here or is that pointless and just go for stability? Any pointers welcome
At your weight (not as much as me but not a lightweight) I think you might be asking a little too much to have the ability to have you and a child onboard for a cruise and be surfable. The Itiwit 12'6 x 32 (the size above the one dovebiker mentions) might be a good place to start. That will have a single touring fin - good for stability and tracking but not too turny or anything surf related.
Wasn’t interested in a rigid board because I want to take mine in my camper van
Interesting how we all have similar issues and solve them in very different ways! I bought a rigid board specifically BECAUSE of the camper van (and the fact that being rigid makes it a tiny bit quicker and much better in the rough). My logic was I didn't want anything else in the van (we already had one isup) and would rather have it on the roof. In the Hebrides on holiday last month the rigid board got lots more use than the isup because we would stop somewhere nice for lunch and the board was off the roof and in the water in less than 2 mins. With our isup being big (350L) and taking a high pressure (20psi) blowing it up was too much hassle and I always reached for the rigid.
Got the 11ft blue and white decathlon one. Great for a beginner and I took out a friend on it at the weekend. I am 90kg, she is a fraction of my weight but it coped just fine with us both out on the bristol channel off weston.
Biggest gripe is the paddle tbh. Need to order a better one before we go away. I normally take the dog out on it so don't really want to risk trashing an £800 red one.
I would like to pick up something like a feel free sit on top kayak for days when it's a bit too rough for the SUP.
Anyone tried the kayak seats you can get for a lot of SUPs? I'm thinking they must be compromised and not comfy for anything other than a short stint?
Have a look at the twobarefeet website. You can get a decent isup with starter pack for under £400. They make one of the most rigid isups on the market. It does me for messing about in the Solent and South Wight surf.
We’ve got one of the decathlon ones. I’m a Clydesdale and it does me fine. Makes me nervous pumping it to 15 psi though.
Great bit of kit IMHO
Have a look at the twobarefeet website.
Just looked - their two chamber ones look excellent. Shape is slightly dated for a touring board with a narrow tail with no tie downs (so no good for carrying big loads without modification and not quite as stable, especially when doing step back turns) but the price is excellent. Double chamber is normally a preserve of only the very premium models. They also do paddle upgrades and options - if it was me and the board and paddle was not just for kids to play gladiators on I'd buy the very best paddle available as the price difference is not huge - switching back to our glass fibre 3 piece Red (so still good for a kit paddle) from my 2 piece carbon Naish feels terrible; flexes way too much when you put power down and is really heavy in comparison. 200-300g in weight might not sound much but when you have put 3 or 4 thousand strokes in you can really feel it.
I got one of the £200 Lidl ones at the start of the summer, after a few years of borrowing/hiring. It's surprisingly good, and fine for lochs and calm seas. The paddle is pretty basic though, as you would probably expect although the carry bag is really good.
Added a Hatha iSUP in the last month for a holiday to Lewis/Harris, and really notice the difference in stiffness. The stock paddle is also significantly stiffer and overall the features/finish of the board just feel 'better'.
Couldn't fit a rigid board in our motorhome, so two iSUPs in the boot/garage area is great, but appreciate the point about them taking just a little bit longer to set up (and also pack up). One thing that did freak me out slightly was finding some freshwater to rinse them off after a paddle in a bay somewhere, as I was unsure how rustproof the d-rings would be (particularly on a cheap Lidl board).
Thanks all, plenty to think about so far. Since posting this thread, all the adverts I see on instagram are for iSUPs.
Just got an email from Sport Pursuit, loads of SUPs on offer at supposedly 50% ish discount, don't know if any of the brands are any good though (Red Paddle are the only ones I've ever heard of & they don't have those!) or how good the deals actually are. Anyone in the know who has already signed up or doesn't mind signing up want to check them out? (SP is a legit site btw before we go down that road again but you have to sign up to see the products/prices)
Have a look into packrafts. Portable and can handle choppy water better.
And you can take a bike on them!
They had a load of Two Bare Feet on there earlier in the week but the prices weren't super cheap. They were available elsewhere for similar. I knew I shouldn't have removed myself from the SP mailing list, doh!
Much like the bike industry, I suspect there's a couple of big factories in China churning out huge numbers of iSUPs for all the 'brands'.
Saw the Two Bare Feet ones on SP, don't have the double chamber version though so assume they're last year's model. The double chamber is only on the phatpad touring board, does it really make that much difference? All their other single chamber boards can be inflated to 22.5 psi which is a lot more than the seemingly standard 15, even my brother's Red only goes to 20 I think? Am tempted by one although still little idea which one. Most of the small surf here breaks onto the beach which I assume will just wreck a board in short order?
This seems a good guide
Touring board with removable fins does sound favourite for what I want, £750 for something I've tried twice is still too much though. Not saying they're not worth it, they do sound good
Two bare feet seem to do both single and double chamber in their current range too. The ones on SP might be old stock (probably is - most SP stock is) but should not necessarily put you off. Starboard are probably the premium brand (just shading Red for me though there is not a lot in it) and they have single and double chamber boards in their range - the double are their premium boards at premium prices. Two Bare Feet seems similar in the way they lay their range out, just a bit less premium and a lot cheaper.
Only you can know if you want to get into the sport to the tune of £750+ on your first purchase. You could buy cheaper and just sell it at a bit of a loss or keep it as an extra board for friends/family to use when you get a better board if you feel you need to. Like most things it is arguably more fun to do with others. A bit like cycling though newbies starting with a super cheap bike are often put off cycling not by actual cycling but their experience of it on a crap bike. It's not quite as extreme in SUP land as the decathlon level boards are really quite good.
On reflection I could be an SUP snob. Watching families at honeypot locations most (95%+?) people who are doing it at the moment would not stretch an imaginary 50m string attached from their board to where they launched. They are used as much as a giant lilo or dive platform as anything else. To be honest anything would do in that context. I just hope they are not all in the landfill in a few years time - environmentally the cheap ones are just as harmful as the expensive ones and as they come right down in price they become more of a fad and the more that is likely to be the outcome. You only need to spend more if you plan on breaking that string. Then it's shape AND quality that will make a difference. I would never consider using a RED ride @ £900 for what I do with mine as the shape is bobbins for long distance paddling but I might consider a longer,narrower and cheaper board from Decathlon, Two Bare Feet or Loco.
Currently very frustrated - my window for carefree fun is closing rapidly and the current stormy weather is limiting my SUP time. Was hoping to do a two/three day overnight trip along the south coast. Never mind, I've got the old windsurf kit out and done DIY instead.
I bought a Red Ride about 5 years ago and it's still spot on, although it generally gets inflated in June then put away at the end of August before being taken away on sailing holiday in September.
So far it's been with us to Sardinia, Croatia (x3) and the BVI 🙂
This year we're not sailing so at some point I'll release a bit of pressure and leave it under the beach hut for the winter.
The O'Shea is my sisters - also seems like a good bit of kit.
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I have been looking at sup’s and canoes for a while. Would fit in quite nicely with a days climbing then a nice little paddle board in the lakes on a hot summers day.
Thing is these things take a bit of storing, aren’t cheap and really are so weather and time dependent that unless you are really keen, they seem the idea item to hire.
We are in Dorset in a couple of weeks and I have costed up a few hours sup and lessons for me and my 2 kids. No hassle, wetsuits etc provided and it’s not that much. I was toying with purchasing one but i think this is going to be one of those things I would buy and get out maybe 2 or 3 times per year and the rest of the year have to see stuffed in a corner of my garage taking up space
Well, with the sun out and fancying a crack at this I wonder if any of the STW SUP experts could hive an opinion on this:
Supremacy 2020 Rapid Inflatable Stand Up Paddle Board iSUP SUP 325x81x15 10.6ft https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/B089MGFQL6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_o3U8EbCFBFE7B
for a beginners SUP for pottering about in the sea and lakes on. I’m about 5ft10 and 14 stone. Any pointers gratefully received 👍🏻
Hard to say without seeing it. I bought one of the decathlon itiwit boards two years ago and since then have seen a bit of an explosion in SUPs on our part of the Thames, with a lot of them looking pretty poor.
Can't put my finger on it but there's a lot about which I assume are cheaper, but just look like an inflatable air bag and wobble about very high on the surface of the water - but no idea if poorly designed or just poorly inflated.
If you see something like a Red inflatable next to a lot of others, you'll see it sits a lot lower in the water and just looks, erm, proper in comparison.
No advice to offer on the one in the link, other than to say I'm not sure I'd risk one I hadn't seen/tried in the flesh and would go with personal recommendations from friends/here etc rather than taking a punt just to save a few quid.
Can recommend the itiwit I have (same weight/height as you) as a solid bit of kit, but the range has since change. However, it's a bricks and mortar shop so if not happy or there's a problem you can just take it straight back.
Getting very close to buying one thanks for the info folks I’ll take a look at some of those sites.
Thanks Jim, useful food for thought there. Annoyingly I have amazon Vouchers so would need to be off there. I’ll keep looking.
I have a couple, a Jobe Yarra and a Mcconks 14. Both are decent kit. The 14 glides better and had room for a 7 year old on the nose with his own paddle.
Beware it’s addictive and very very restful.
Just looking at the same sort of things as I'm close to the Thames, dont really want to spend much more than £600 for a package.
The ones that have come up so far that seem to get decent independent (ish) reviews are, Fatstick (£550 for the package), McConks (£680), and Bluefin (£650 for Cruise 12' or £500 on offer for the Sprint 14'). Looking at a 12' plus size board. The other ones I've looked at are Two Bare Feet but they seem to be a bit like the DFS sale with their pricing. They do do a double chamber 12' for £525.
Anyone have experience of any of the above?
After my posts above I got one a few weeks back, went for a Sandbanks Maui 12" touring. It was between that and a 12'6" Fatstick touring. Both were around £550 with accessories although I got mine with a full carbon paddle but there was a £50 off voucher floating around for the Fatstick. Think prices might have gone up since though. Both very well reviewed, rated to 25 psi although 20 is recommended which is what I inflate mine to. 5 year warranty on the fatstick, 3 on the Sandbanks which can be extended to 5 for another £40. Finding boards in stock might be an issue though, I think the lockdown run on SUPs hasn't been far off the run on bikes.
Decider for me was that the Fatstick has a cargo net at the back whereas the Sandbanks has a longer deckpad with raised tail, I've been trying to learn pivot turns when it's calm so this is better for me. Brother has had a Red 10'6" all round model for a few years, Sport Air maybe? After riding mine he is selling his to get a touring board
As for use I've been out on it a lot. Had a few hours on the Arun which was very tranquil with swans, signets and dragonflys. Only paddled a few km from Worthing to Lancing and back, getting a feel for effort and distance as I go. That was quite zen although traffic noise from the coast road is quite intrusive when you're on the water. Also been out in moderate swell and chop a fair few times, couldn't stand up at all to start but am now getting the hang of it (having fallen in over a hundred times easily), battling out into the waves is good fun and so is catching a few on the way back in! It is in no way as exciting as mountain biking but it's different and different is good, think I will get quite a lot of use out of it.
Stays inflated most of the time as I only live 5 minutes from the coast and have roof bars and made a rack in the garage, great to have the option to put it in the car and take on holiday etc. Already started thinking about longer hard boards though, proper downwind trips looks to be an experience!
I get the impression this is another N+1 sport. Already had the kids aking if they would be able to come with me so have looked at the 15' boards but not too sure if they are too big to paddle solo most of the time.
I've had my kids along on mine although they never last long as they tend to be on their knees so feet to go sleep after a bit. 12 year old has started paddling by herself on her knees and is keen to try standing up next time it's flat. She does bugger all other exercise so I'm all for it!
I would think you get what you pay for so all comes down to how much you will use it. And assuming you are not going to try to take a cheap floppy one out in anything challenging. For any kind of decent performance you would want a solid one, but for most it is more of a beach toy.
It seems to have a decent spec on paper-6” thickness/15psi and 32” wide/10ft 6” long so seems similar to all the other basic beginner ones. Just wondered if it mattered that it was a pointier noses one, rather than a rounded one. It’s basically only for messing about on the odd day it’s warm enough to go in the North Sea anyway so perhaps doesn’t matter
for inflatables its all about stiffness, cheap ones flex like noodles. It's all in the internal construction which you can't see and that's where corners are cut
I ride Starboard SUPs, hard board surf SUP as I'm all the awesome, but I bought this last year for the kids and I'm thoroughly impressed with it. I'd buy again and recommend to all my friends who want to get into SUP
Get it in the 10'8"
To answer the OP:
Yes.
I bought a couple of Decathlon 10'6 isups 3 years ago and can't believe how much use they've had. Still look new too. Now looking at hard sups for Surf duties on small days.
I also ride a halfords bike (Boardman) which raises eyebrows when people realise what it actually is....
I tend to buy quality products regardless of brand.
That said, a Red board will be stiffer than the decathlon, but at quite a premium.
We have a Hatha Orb.
We looked at the Red ones but for us, used relatively regularly (i.e. more than 3 - 4 times a year) but not for serious touring etc it fit the bill. We live relatively close to the Avon so my lad and I get out on it fairly regularly. It's been to Greece with us too, as well as taken on camping holidays etc.
We looked at the Reds but it was the extra £3-400 to match that put us off. If I was out daily (i.e. lived next to the water) I could probably have justified it, but the Hatha does us absolutely fine. As mentioned above, it can be a handful in the wind, but did some light exploring offshore in the Greek islands and it was fine.
Inflatable storage is great, but it can be a pain to inflate and deflate, to the point that I'm considering getting roofbars so we can leave it inflated all summer.
The inflation issue seems quite real to me. Handy for getting to say a holiday but too much for an afternoon paddle
Cab SUP on the grand union canal. legally and practically. Is boat passing Ok. Presumably i can just walk round locks
I have done an amount of hire. On a canal can i dress for not falling in? The sea with waves was very tricky. Flat water I was feeling quite confident
Maybe I need an inflatable kayak
ampthill
The inflation issue seems quite real to me. Handy for getting to say a holiday but too much for an afternoon paddle
Yep, it can be a bit offputting - like today, it'd be great just to lob it on the roof and go for a paddle over my lunch break, but once I've assembled and inflated, it probably wouldn't be worth it.
Cab SUP on the grand union canal. legally and practically. Is boat passing Ok. Presumably i can just walk round locks
I think technically you need a permit to paddle on canals and rivers, the same as canoe. Assuming the boats stay to the speed limit, it's fine - I just pull over and let them past, the wake isn't much. It's fine to carry round locks, but a pain if there's loads of them - plus you'll probably get wet, not from falling in, but lifting and carrying the board.
have done an amount of hire. On a canal can i dress for not falling in? The sea with waves was very tricky. Flat water I was feeling quite confident
Maybe I need an inflatable kayak
Not quite sure what you mean by that, but I always wear stuff I don't mind getting wet, but shorts and t-shirt are fine. Sea and estuaries took a bit of getting used to - as you say, flat water is fine, though I'm not as confident as the chap I saw the other day - after portaging down a weir, he ran off the side and (successfully) jumped onto his board!
Not quite sure what you mean by that, but I always wear stuff I don’t mind getting wet, but shorts and t-shirt are fine.
That is what i meant. Dressed so i can fall in but probably won't. Surfing you dress for being in the sea
for inflation purposes, I've got one of these
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08696TW6R/
takes it up to about 10-12 bar, when you can then take over and finish it up to 15
makes life a lot easier
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ampthill
That is what i meant. Dressed so i can fall in but probably won’t. Surfing you dress for being in the sea
Then yes, absolutely. In winter I'd consider a decent wetsuit (and see people in drysuits touring etc) in case you fall in, but just for summer use probably fine.
we have a decathlon itwit 10ft6 its great.
decent enough to paddle about - will deal with minor wavey conditions as found in brighton most days. not great at turning though. Kids love it - both 11 and 8 can stand up and paddle on non windy days.
we take it on pretty much all beach trips even for a couple of hours. and all holidays. Pumping it up is half the workout!
having been in teh sea lots i find flat water paddle boarding it a bit dull really unless you are going somewhere.
just be mindful of where you are intending to go and cold water shock. I'm north east Scotland and 90% time in a winter wetsuit 4/5mm. In summer I just roll the top down or jump in the water when too hot. Inland water is warmer etc so winter wetsuit is overkill.
Another plus point for wetsuits is they add buoyancy
Another plus point for wetsuits is they add buoyancy
Although, as pointed out to me by the instructor on my first 'go' on a SUP, you are strapped* to a huge buoyancy aid if you fall in...
*assuming you wear the tether properly....
I bought the 32 ITwIT toured mentioned earlier in the thread as a tender for our boat once I lost use of a council jetty. I can paddle a 5 year old daughter, cool box, associated family outdoor gear in various rucksacks and heavy electric outboard no problem. I have my phone in my pocket I am so confident that I won’t fall in the Thames. It really is a barge and it is really stiff.
true but leashes can break... unlikely for a novice but can happen in surf etc
If I'm going out touring round the cliffs I have this on me just in case. Or it goes on the kids when they are out
https://www.wetsuitoutlet.co.uk/2020-red-paddle-original-airbelt-pfd-grey-p-27287.html
All depends how much you want to get into it. But £500ish on an inflatable SUP (research deflection tests before you buy it) and £100ish on a decent branded winter wetsuit will see you right 100% of the time. Just don't be like the fools I see on the Aldi specials
blockquote>true but leashes can break… unlikely for a novice but can happen in surf etc
If I’m going out touring round the cliffs I have this on me just in case. Or it goes on the kids when they are out
Yep, have a proper BA when needed, but just for pootling around it's fine. Kid always wears a BA irrespective.
Hopefully moving a few mins from the beach soon, very SUP curious! Read some of the threads on here. Definitely getting the feeling that, cost aside, rigid is the way to go - both for less faff & performance in windy conditions. (Although I suppose just leaving an inflatable inflated is an option!) Also a decent paddle from the outset sounds like a good investment!
Any good bargains about, or have they all been snapped up like the bikes?!
Any good bargains about, or have they all been snapped up like the bikes?!
There was a thing in one of the Sunday papers which said because of the earlier heatwave, many places had sold out, but I expect that could be the cheaper ones - I bet you can get Red etc!
I did have a look the other day, most places sold out waiting on the 2020 stock to arrive!I bet you can get Red etc!
I have a Bluefin Cruise 15' - 2nd year of ownership. I use it on rivers and lakes - on my own and with the family. It's not an every weekend thing but its a couple of times per month. I weigh 250lbs and am tall so the bigger board was necessary. I've no problems paddling it on my own.
Upgrading to a good carbon paddle is a massive improvement. It makes everything so much better.
Why not eh. You are only here once and all that.
I just bought one today.
Canal and river is just down the road and always surfed so it’s just long overdue. Plus kids will love it as a snorkelling mother ship. Exciting change from cycling too
So in the true spirit of man maths, I’ve gone from looking at a amazon cheapy to likely buying a bluefin cruise 12ft. STW strikes again!
honestly you won't regret the Bluefin, they are one of the top boards for deflection tests
We've got a couple from these!
Great customer support and great boards - they're really relaxing ...once you know what you're doing!