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Firstly, I was going at 70 in a 50.
my excuse (if there is one) is that it was on a dual carriageway where, whilst there was temporary 50 speed limit due to road works, there was no roadworks to be seen. Both lanes open, no workers in sight. It’s been like that for weeks.
as I was going through I noticed a speed camera van on other side of road, but it was pointing down the other lane. Tbh I’ve just got so use to ignoring is (as does everyone) that by time I passed the van I had forgot it was a 50.
Can a mobile unit get you like that or do you have to be driving towards the back of it?
30 years of no points, am I about to be done?
No.
No.
It was looking the wrong way.
No.
It was looking the wrong way.
Edited later: It clearly wasnt looking the wrong way when it caught him though was it
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Firstly, I was going at 70 in a 50.</span>
Can a mobile unit get you like that or do you have to be driving towards the back of it?
Clearly they can 🙂
my excuse (if there is one) is that it was on a dual carriageway where, whilst there was temporary 50 speed limit due to road works, there was no roadworks to be seen. Both lanes open, no workers in sight. It’s been like that for weeks.
How could that be an excuse if you're more than ten years old?
How could that be an excuse if you’re more than ten years old?
tbf it's not an excuse if you're less than ten either. You shouldn't be driving!
Yes.
Yes.
The speed vans round here have cameras out the back, side and front it seems.
TBH you have my sympathies (a bit). I was recently on a stretch of dual carriageway, coming back from Edinburgh, that I'm unfamiliar with. At the 50 signs, I slowed down but everyone else - without exception - cracked on at 70 or so. It was getting to the point that I felt a bit precarious, a moving chicane. I think the restriction had been in place for so long, with no work going on, that regulars were just ignoring it.
Mobile vans can operate with both traffic coming towards and going away. Whether they were operating in that mode at that time is a different question that you'll have to wait 14 days to find out (assuming you are the registered keeper).
a van can get you going away from it too, doesnt have to have the camera facing you.
Easy enough for him to scan across to the opposite lane and ping you, assuming he heard your V8 screaming through the gears, exhausts flaming, turbo spooling, induction roaring.... as you pelted down the tarmacadam! 😛
Ah well if they can I’m goosed then. As when I drove back past it I noticed that it was a 50 for about 50 yards, then turned into a 30😢 so if they can get me going the other way I’ll be banned as over double the limit. Which given there is not a hint of a road works, not even one solitary cone, seems pretty harsh tbh. Although I know there are many people on here whom have never committed a driving offence ever who will argue otherwise!
You shouldn’t be driving!
30 years of a clean license, no accidents probably suggests otherwise but hey ho. If I get a ban you’ll get your wish!
How could that be an excuse if you’re more than ten years old?
Whilst I'd agree, not an excuse, it is also absolutely the normal behaviour of most people behind the wheel of a car.
There has been a "temporary" 50mph limit in place on the a1 just south of the scotch corner since about a week after they reopened it from the upgrade. Nothing but a flood warning and the nsl marker a mile up the road visible on either carriageway. No one slows for it because it's been there for 18 maybe 24 months with nothing but a sandbag for to stop it blowing over for company.
I'm a stickler for limits but even I tended to just carry on at 70 after the first few instances of nearly being rear ended.
They finally started some work on the drainage a few weeks ago and immediately had several accidents because traffic actually slowed for the roadworks and lane closure that haven't been there for longer than the road has been fully open.
Im going to hazard a guess that if you were on a dual carriageway and the van was on the opposite side of the road, the central reservation would have been obstructing the view between the camera and your number plate. Either way, lynch him.
tbf it’s not an excuse if you’re less than ten either. You shouldn’t be driving!
30 years of a clean license, no accidents probably suggests otherwise but hey ho. If I get a ban you’ll get your wish
I think he means you shouldn't be driving if you're under 10...
You might get the option of a speed awareness course instead of points. Think that’s an option for first time offenders or those without points on their licence. Not sure if there is a limit though (i.e. has to be no more than x mph over) but wait and find out.
Many a time I’ve fully expected to be issued a fine and points and the letter never landed so I’ve got away with it thus far (30 years and counting). I’m much more cautious nowadays though.
lynch him
Lynching’s too good for his sort, even if he’s over 10 (or not, I’m confused now). Anyway back to the camera van . . .
You might get the option of a speed awareness course instead of points.
Not available in Scotland (I'm assuming that's where the offence took place).
30 years of a clean license, no accidents probably suggests otherwise but hey ho. If I get a ban you’ll get your wish!
It was a rubbish attempt at a joke aimed at molgrips, suggesting you shouldn't be driving under the age of ten. It wasn't a pop at you.
I think he means you shouldn’t be driving if you’re under 10…
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You might get the option of a speed awareness course instead of points.
Not available in Scotland (I’m assuming that’s where the offence took place).
Nor at 70 in a thirty...
On the upside op, at least it wasn't a motorway.
70mph on a clear dual carriageway - amateur!
Hopefully you weren't daft enough to to it twice:
ECHO reader Anthony Martindale was incensed when he was penalised after he was caught speeding on both directions between junctions 12 and 13 on February 6. The motorist fired off a letter to the ECHO as he was fined £100, awarded three points on his licence and ordered to take a driver's awareness course costing £90
So, planning for the worst
I hold my hands up, was in The wrong. If I get hauled over coals is there anything I could do to mitigate length of any ban? I’m thinking specifically taking a picture clearly showing that whilst the sign is there, there is actually no traffic works or any reason for them to be there.
not saying that would get me off, but it might provide some motivation.
I thought speed cameras could only take images as you go away from them? (Something to do with privacy protection for the driver/passenger...or has that changed?)
I doubt you'll get a ban for 70 in a 50. Especially with a previously clean licence. I actually doubt that you'll get done at all with the camera on the other side of the dual carriageway. No need to sell your car just yet!
There is actually no traffic works or any reason for them to be there.
not saying that would get me off, but it might provide some motivation.
That's not mitigation at all. You're basically admitting that you knew the signs were there but simply chose to ignore them.
I thought speed cameras could only take images as you go away from them? (Something to do with privacy protection for the driver/passenger…or has that changed?)
Nope. In fact the average speed cameras on the A9 are almost all front facing. In effect, the only two that will pick up a speeding motorcycle are near Tomatin and Moy
Nope. In fact the average speed cameras on the A9 are almost all front facing. In effect, the only two that will pick up a speeding motorcycle are near Tomatin and Moy
In France I've seen speed cameras painted to look like forward facing but in fact are rear facing - to catch bikers out 😯
I also don't think you'll get a ban, on a DC with no active workers.
The OP has put his hands up and admitted he was wrong so sadly we can't do him in with a pitch forking.
However.......temporary speed reductions where there is no current need are a pile crap imo. Firstly it slows up traffic for no need but secondly (and far more importantly) it stops the general motorist taking them as seriously as they should. Slowing up the traffic where the lanes are narrowed, or there are workmen at risk or the surface is not up to scratch is a really good thing - making the public complacent so they are more inclined to **** up when we really don't want them to is bobbins. Compounding the issue by putting a speed van out to catch people for not slowing down for a non reason is just adding to the naffness of the setup and increases the general opinion that they are just revenue generators rather than a safety incentive.
If I get hauled over coals is there anything I could do to mitigate length of any ban?
This may differ in Scotland, I don't know. You should get a Notice of Intended Prosecution within 14 days. This may offer you a fixed penalty. To mitigate anything you would have to reject that and attend court. If you were caught doing 70 in a 30 then I doubt you are going to get the fixed penalty as you will be "Eligible For Disqualification" which means you will get a ban and fine which will be a standard for the offence, adjusted up or down depending on mitigating factors such as Exceptional Hardship.
Contrition and remorse may help with a favourable judge, and being a first offence. I highly doubt though that "I thought I'd get away with it and here's some extra evidence proving my guilt" is going to work, somehow. Now, if the signage was incorrect and you could prove it, it may be unenforceable (again, in E&W), there are guidelines they have to adhere to.
I’m thinking specifically taking a picture clearly showing that whilst the sign is there, there is actually no traffic works or any reason for them to be there.
There's no visible reason for them to be there. They could be to protect people working near it or (if it's a bridge) under it. Could be for noise abatement or pollution reduction or because the road is unsafe or...
Compounding the issue by putting a speed van out to catch people for not slowing down for a non reason
The reason to slow down is that it was a 50 not a 70. The roadworks not being there is irrelevant.
I thought speed cameras could only take images as you go away from them? (Something to do with privacy protection for the driver/passenger…or has that changed?)
That sounds very much like an urban myth to me. Static Truvelo cameras are almost as old as Gatsos and are front-facing, and most mobile vans I've seen are too (they see you before you see them, otherwise everyone just anchors on).
not saying that would get me off, but it might provide some motivation.
The only motivation it will provide is for you to get royally shafted for ignoring signs.
The time for motivation is when they are deciding how long to ban you for.
The reason to slow down is that it was a 50 not a 70. The roadworks not being there is irrelevant.
That might be why the road user should slow down - you don't know what's ahead is the same as it was last week, so follow the rules. But that's not the reason to put in or leave the speed reduction without warrant. Or the reason to enforce/punish the slowing down or lack there of where no slowing down of traffic is actually needed.
That’s not mitigation at all. You’re basically admitting that you knew the signs were there but simply chose to ignore them.
that’s a fair point, and tbh exactly what I did, although I honestly didn’t clock that the second sign was 30mph. Why would they just not put one sign up, it just serves to confuse folks. Just popped along to where it was, speed camera now gone, I did 30mph, not one other car slowed down at all so it’s not just me! (Not that that is a defense).
they are ignored as for all intents and purposes it appears that they have just been left there. The big trianglular road works sign in the 30 zone has even been taken down and laid on its side! Ironically there are a load of cones on the road, but about 500 yards after the end of the restricted zone! There are no workers hiding in bushes, no works vans. There is absolutely zero reason for them being there.
as far as consequences go, a ban and a fine I can live with, but apparently I need to declare any criminal convictions to my employer. If I go to court I’ll get a conviction (not a penalty notice) which mean I could potentially lose my job.
As I understand it though, a speeding conviction is not a 'criminal' conviction it is a road traffic offence. I think! So it shouldn't fall into the losing your job category...
I’m thinking specifically taking a picture clearly showing that whilst the sign is there, there is actually no traffic works or any reason for them to be there.
The restriction can be there for a reason that is not obvious. A damaged bit of barrier (from corrosion, not necessarily impact damage) or works underneath the road that you cannot see. Not seeing the hazard is not a defence.
I doubt you’ll get a ban for 70 in a 50.
Yeah I would feel a bit miffed to get banned for 70 in a 50, that would seem very harsh.
A “friend” got 3 points and £100 for 83 in a 60, also in Scotland so no speed awareness course option.
As I understand it though, a speeding conviction is not a ‘criminal’ conviction it is a road traffic offence. I think! So it shouldn’t fall into the losing your job category
in Scotland if you get convicted of a road traffic offence in court you get a criminal record.
Yeah I would feel a bit miffed to get banned for 70 in a 50, that would seem very harsh
it wasn’t a 50. It was a 30. Basically it had a 50 sign, then 50 yards later a 30 sign. I admit I didn’t clock that the 2nd one was a different speed to the first. I mean why have 2 different signs right after each other, I had assumed the road was a 50. Which was an error on my behalf but a genuine mistake.
I've done similar - 65 in a 50 on a dual carriageway with roadworks, on the A1.
The lovely people at Leicestershire constabulary very kindly gave me a course on how to avoid doing such stupid things in future.
it wasn’t a 50. It was a 30. Basically it had a 50 sign, then 50 yards later a 30 sign. I admit I didn’t clock that the 2nd one was a different speed to the first.
Oh bugger, sorry I missed that bit, I wondered why bans were being talked about.
Hope it missed you 🤞
Why would they just not put one sign up, it just serves to confuse folks.
There are requirements for the signage and how far apart it has to be so they can't generally slow you from 70-30 without an intermediary reduction and the 30 sign will have to be at least a minimum distance after the 50 one.
The theory being slowing people from 70-30 is likely to cause problems and be unsafe so they "manage" the deceleration. (because people are idiots and can't slow down gradually. Maybe shimano make car brakes? )
There are requirements for the signage and how far apart it has to be so they can’t generally slow you from 70-30 without an intermediary reduction and the 30 sign will have to be at least a minimum distance after the 50 one
fair enough. I guess I’m screwed then. Fingers crossed I don’t lose my job over this though
Unless your job is dependent on driving I can't see them managing (or trying) to fire you, it's not exactly bringing them into disrepute or something*.
I would expect to be mercilessly ribbed by colleagues for the foreseeable though.
*unless you were naked and had a car full of farm animals and ball gags at the time. Obviously keep quiet if you did.
when you say 50yards between 50 and 30 sign was it less than 75m?
if you do want to fight it you may be able to argue the signs were too close together. This doc seems to indicate 75m is the minimum required;
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There are frequently other reasons why people argue and get off including there were too many signs! Best wait and see. I once thought I was in deep trouble and nothing ever came through the letter box.
I don't know the rules en Ecosse, but a speed limit must be enforceable and in E&W that needs a court order. You may have come across an H&S control measure rather than an enforceable restriction.
Speed cameras have angles beyond which they aren't accurate and may only be usable on a single carriageway direction. That may depend on bends that straighten angles and allow both carriageways to be covered.
In short don't take the risk, but you may be ok. Lots of "may" 🤔
it wasn’t a 50. It was a 30. Basically it had a 50 sign, then 50 yards later a 30 sign. I admit I didn’t clock that the 2nd one was a different speed to the first. I mean why have 2 different signs right after each other, I had assumed the road was a 50. Which was an error on my behalf but a genuine mistake.
As someone who also drives for work, does big mileages and also have dropped a couple of clangers in my time (Bus lanes seem to be my Achilles heel at the mo). No crashes, clean licence etc.
For the sake of your mental health, try to learn from it and forget about the possible letter through the post.
I do have some sympathy here and a lot of contempt for the people doing the road works. We had something similar on the M65 for over 3 months, 50 limit, properly signed and visible, hard shoulder coned off over 5 miles. All work was being carried out at night a snail's pace, replacing barriers etc. I tried to stick to the 50 as I generally do obey speed limits, it became pretty unsafe after a week or so as people completely ignored the limits. We occaisionally had a speed van appear on one of the bridges, caught a fair few I would imagine. If the limit was that important it should have had average speed cameras on it. Given all work was at night and it went on for months combined with most drivers appearing to be idiots it was guaranteed to cause trouble.
when you say 50yards between 50 and 30 sign was it less than 75m?
if you do want to fight it you may be able to argue the signs were too close together. This doc seems to indicate 75m is the minimum required
Just measured them..the 50 and 30 signs were 176 meters apart. 75 meters seems not much at all. The camera van was about another 100- 200 yards further past the 30 sign. In total the restriction is there for around half a mile total
there was an unintelligible sign on the verge which whilst you can’t read when driving, says there is a temporary barrier in place, and in fairness there is a solitary cone and about 5 breeze blocks about a quarter of a mile further down the road just before the restriction ends (I’d post a pic if I knew how to)
Unless your job is dependent on driving I can’t see them managing (or trying) to fire you, it’s not exactly bringing them into disrepute or something*.
no my job doesn’t have anything to do with driving, but it’s still a criminal record if I was caught by the camera which ain’t going to be good, and would severely limit my future employment options if I ever chose to leave
For the sake of your mental health, try to learn from it and forget about the possible letter through the post.
im pretty stressed and upset about it tbh. Never had a single point on my license, never had a criminal record. I’m not saying I don’t deserve a fine, I was clearly speeding regardless whether I think the limit should be in place, however the potential repercussions of this strike me as unduly harsh given a: it wasn’t remotely dangerous, and b: whilst it doesn’t make it right, pretty much 99% of drivers who go through that stretch aren’t going at 30mph
It would be far more dangerous to drive at 40 in a built up area 30 zone…
re "criminal record" - most questionnaires with that are often phrased as "do you have a criminal record (excluding motoring offences)?". That wouldn't keep me awake.
Depends on the form, some include motoring offences and specifically mention it on the form. As far as I’m aware it’s just an honesty test or wouldn’t be checked anyway.
I’d try file under not the end of the world (easier said than done).
Given you seem to be allowed to run the country (England obvs) with a conviction or two.
I've been done twice for speeding (once in England, once in Scotland). In the intervening 30 years or so, I've never ticked anything to say I have a criminal record.
I’ve been done twice for speeding (once in England, once in Scotland). In the intervening 30 years or so, I’ve never ticked anything to say I have a criminal record.
fixed penalty notices aren’t counted as a criminal record so you don’t need to declare. To my point above, you could do 40 in a built up area with a 30 limit, endangering all the little kiddies, and you don’t get a criminal record
where as I was doing about 65 in a 30, albeit on a dual carriageway with both lanes fully open and good visibility. But if I get caught I’ll be going to court, where fixed penalties unfortunately don’t apply.
however the potential repercussions of this strike me as unduly harsh given a: it wasn’t remotely dangerous,
I guess that people who's job it is to determine these things have decided that it's not safe to hit their temporary barriers at 70mph hence the speed limit?
I work in the finance sector, didn’t even occur to me that a driving ban for speeding was something that would limit my employment.
I honestly wouldn’t lose any sleep over it. I was fined £600 and had a 28 day ban for very similar to you.
Strangely it also didn’t affect my insurance either. I didn’t get any points, was literally just a ban for 28 days. My insurance paperwork didn’t ask any questions about any bans apart from drink driving, for speeding it was just asking about points. This was back in about 2005 though.
fixed penalty notices aren’t counted as a criminal record so you don’t need to declare
Ah. Gotcha.
I honestly wouldn’t lose any sleep over it. I was fined £600 and had a 28 day ban for very similar to you.
I too work in finance. The relevance to my job of a speeding ban is very questionable, however I’m obliged to tell them if I have a criminal record. At which point they’ll investigate. Hopefully they’ll just say don’t be a knob in future.
did you even tell your employer? Half of me thinks they’d never find out, but I’d have to balance the likelihood of most probably a wrap on the knuckles v’s if they find out at a later date I’ve not disclosed it I’d be shafted🤔
Was the bonnet of the cameras van pointing towards you?
If it was, and they show a pic taken through the windscreen, dispute it. Windscreens do funny things to laser beams and are not 100% reliable.
One issue you have is the percentage over the speed limit. I think it used to be 33% over would be a day in court and a possibility of a ban
that’s a fair point, and tbh exactly what I did, although I honestly didn’t clock that the second sign was 30mph.
50mph over the speeding AND Driving Without Due Care & Attention.
If they ask you if you want to represent yourself in court I would suggest declining.
😁
as far as consequences go, a ban and a fine I can live with, but apparently I need to declare any criminal convictions to my employer. If I go to court I’ll get a conviction (not a penalty notice) which mean I could potentially lose my job.
That might be enough to secure Exceptional Hardship to avoid or at least / reduce a ban at the expense of a considerably larger fine. Whether that would affect the classification I do not know, and you'd need to do better than "potentially."
im pretty stressed and upset about it tbh.
Honestly, I think you're worrying unduly. A speed enforcement camera on the other side of a dual carriageway... even if it could see you, I'm only guessing but I'd be surprised if it could measure speed travelling in two different directions. When you see them parked on motorway gantries they're always above one carriageway rather than in the middle.
That might be enough to secure Exceptional Hardship to avoid or at least / reduce a ban at the expense of a considerably larger fine.
don’t think it would make a lot of difference what the sentence is, if found guilty it’s a criminal record. Not fussed by an inevitable ban particularly, especially if it’s only a couple of months max, would just need to take that on the chin as one of life’s lessons learned.
Was the bonnet of the cameras van pointing towards you?
yeah it was but they just zap you from the rear of your car instead
my only hope is that they were focusing on the tragic on the side of the road they were parked on (which was a 70) however I suspect it was no coincidence they were parked where they were! Easy pickings..
70 in a 50 zone is pretty silly.
Its not for you to decide if the signs are correct. If in doubt, drive slower, not faster.
70 in a 50 zone is pretty silly
yes, and more so when I discovered I was actually in a 30.
im not going to pretend I don’t feel like an idiot.
I never told my employer about my ban, I’m in England so it may be different.
I work on government work within the financial sector, we have to go through additional security clearances and it has never been questioned.
(I’m in investment banking, we bid for government work, not just UK but US as well)
I don’t think you’ll lose your job. I’m in the senior leadership team (non exec director); we don’t receive any notifications from courts regarding our staff. If I was employing someone with a speeding fine showing up in their background checks I wouldn’t let that sway me if it wasn’t a competency they needed. We do run DBS / basic disclosure checks.
Being honest I was properly speeding. When I was younger I had flash cars and was a bit of an idiot. I was doing over 100mph and deserved the ban I got. And it did wake me up. I still drive fast cars, but I no longer speed. It drives my missus crazy as doing 70 in my car feels like walking pace!
Comply with the speed limit that is clearly signed, as you've admitted, and you'll save us all a load of of effort and stop endangering lives. (says the man who's just finished delivering his third online speed awareness course of the day...) Simples.
Given I’ve had a clean license for 30 years and fully appreciate I’ve been a tit, i’m not sure the what the ‘you shouldn’t speed’ posts are trying to achieve
i clearly shouldn’t have been going that fast, my driving record (other than today) clearly shows I’m a usually a safe driver.
I cocked up, and I don’t intend to make a habit of it
Whilst these threads always bring out those who are unable to break the speed limit because they can't reach it on their high horses,
my driving record (other than today) clearly shows I’m a usually a safe driver.
I cocked up
Is that actually true? This is the first time you've ever intentionally broken a posted speed limit? Or just the first time you think you might've been caught? How often do you drive that particular road given that you know it's "been there for weeks," whilst ignoring the (50) and never even noticing the (30) limit sign?
Apologies if I've misread this and I'm way off the mark but I'm not convinced that you're being entirely honest with us, or indeed with yourself. Everyone is a safe driver until their luck runs out one day.
If you're going to drive / ride quickly, keep your eyes open.
Is that actually true? This is the first time you’ve ever intentionally broken a posted speed limit? Or just the first time you think you might’ve been caught?
well ok I’m as safe as pretty much every other driver on the road, I dont think anyone, even the sanctimonious among us can every truely say they haven’t exceeded the limit
I’ll maintain I’m a safe driver though. Never had a crash
just to clarify, I’ll stick my hands up to fact I didn’t slow down when I thought it was a 50, I wrongly just kept going the same speed as the car next to me. I genuinely didn’t realise I was in a 30 zone however. No excuse, and my fault, but that was an honest mistake
well ok I’m as safe as pretty much every other driver on the road, I dont think anyone, even the sanctimonious among us can every truely say they haven’t exceeded the limit
I except there's a few who would claim it.
It's a weird one really. The only way you can never break the limit - before the rise of cruise control anyway - is to drive under it or spend as much time looking at the dash as the road. I've been driving long enough that I reckon I could hit 30mph reasonably accurately and consistently without looking at the clock (I've practised doing it), but there will be a margin of error of a mph or two.
Speedos historically overread and some by quite a margin, less so in modern cars (I cross-reference with GPS) so if you're doing say an indicated 25 in a 30 to be on the safe side you're probably tending towards maybe 22 whilst Mister 10%+2 behind you wants to be doing 35 and that's quite a differential.
I'd posit that anyone who claims never to have broken the speed limit is either being economical with the truth or is going to be the victim of a road rage meathead at some point. No-one is that good a driver.
I’m as safe as pretty much every other driver on the road
That's one for @deets. How many people yesterday told you they thought they were an above average driver?
It was a question I got asked when I sat a SAC. Good - above average - average - below average - poor. I said "above average." He replied that that meant I was overconfident. I said well no, it's just that "average" is a bloody low bar. (Something which was ably demonstrated during the course if we assume that the rest of the room was anything like representative.)
I wrongly just kept going the same speed as the car next to me. I genuinely didn’t realise I was in a 30 zone however. No excuse, and my fault, but that was an honest mistake
I’ll wager, if there was lots of cars doing the same speed, the van on the wrong carriage way, pointing the wrong way then you’re unlikely to hear anything.
Does anyone know if the average speed camera systems cross reference the speed limit for your specific vehicle? If I'm on the A9 single carriageway sections in my van, I'm restricted to 50 ( as are HGVs uniquely afaik) rather than 60 if I were in a car. Plenty of vans blat past me - do they know something I don't?
Plenty of vans blat past me – do they know something I don’t?
I'd imagine that the system would need a real-time link to DVLA for that to happen. A real person with a hand-held device or a camera could make a judgement, evidence the speed and check later
There's no reason in this world why the technology couldn't exist though, particularly on a newer system
You will get points and a fine not a ban. My first speeding in over 30 years was 72 in a 40. Guess who failed to see the very small change in speed signs on a motorway. Once you’ve missed the first sign, you just see the hard shoulder and think “motorway”. On the other access motorway road they painted 50 on the carriageways! Six points and a bike-sized fine. The police officer was very nice and asked if I was OK.
@daverhp - it seems there has been a recent change to the A9 ASCs as lots of van drivers have now been receiving fines.
It was a question I got asked when I sat a SAC. Good – above average – average – below average – poor. I said “above average.” He replied that that meant I was overconfident. I said well no, it’s just that “average” is a bloody low bar.
Overconfident of you to choose that setting to explore that idea. 🙂
The whole purpose of SACs is to disabuse a bunch of drivers of the notion that they're great and there's nothing really wrong with their behaviour.
Could have been worse op, I mean, this is just some cruel parotty of justice.