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Hi STW,

I need to hold a bracket to a sheet of 18mm ply, with a counter M4 bolt, and a nut on the rear. The bracket needs to sit flush with the ply.

Previously, I have used an M4 T-nut on the rear with success. However, this time I cannot access the rear of the board. I would rather not use a wood screw, so am trying to figure out the sturdiest/cheapest/easiest alternative.

Would these hollow wall anchors work?
https://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-hollow-wall-anchors-m4-x-40mm-20-pack/54782

Or do they only work on set thickness plasterboard (for the shoulder to sit inside)? Also, I may need to countersink the plug into the ply a little so that the bracket can sit flush. Would also rather not have to buy the tool for it too.

Any better options?

Thanks,
Duane.


 
Posted : 17/10/2017 4:09 pm
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Why the objection to wood screws?

You could use a spring toggle fixing, but then you'll need to drill a wider hole to get it through in the first place.

Insert nut? Again, big countersunk hole needed, don't know exactly how strong they are.


 
Posted : 17/10/2017 4:17 pm
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The brackets/fixings may be under quite a bit of force (both tension and shear) - and not sure if wood screws will hold.


 
Posted : 17/10/2017 4:24 pm
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You appear to have broken the screwfix site. However, decent woodscrews have a very good hold, just use more?!


 
Posted : 17/10/2017 4:31 pm
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Ha yep, Screwfix appears to have keeled over!

Each bracket only takes 3 screws/bolts unfortunately.


 
Posted : 17/10/2017 4:48 pm
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You might be surprised what a screw will take. Arguably it's got better purchase on the inner ply layers, rather than a nut on the outer ply. Arguably it's not.

How about a wide coach screw?


 
Posted : 17/10/2017 4:55 pm
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You can get threaded inserts for wood, Type D, and can buy them from screwfix but I think the smallest size is M6, so you could open the holes on your brackets. They have a countersunk flange, and need a bit of clearance on the pilot hole depending on wood hardness.

Another possible option is to mount brackets on to a separate piece of ply and then screw this to the board that you can get access to the back of.


 
Posted : 17/10/2017 4:58 pm
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Assuming that you have space behind, make keyhole-shaped holes; hole to match nut diameter, 4mm slot below. push the nut (on the bolt!) through and slide down. The shelf/brackets will hide the keyholes


 
Posted : 17/10/2017 5:53 pm

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