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So is the reason we shouldn't eat animals because we're intelligent enough to understand it's not a nice thing to do?
So is the reason we shouldn't eat animals because we're intelligent enough to understand it's not a nice thing to do?
More because we are intelligent enough to understand we don't need to eat them to live and eating animals is not an efficient use of resources.
It is not about intelligence though is it and most people who eat meat are fully aware they don't need to. They are choosing to kill an animal to eat it just because they value the taste of it above the animals life.
They are choosing to kill an animal to eat it just because they value the taste of it about the animals
Pretty hard to argue against that. Plus we avoid the realities of the actual slaughter process as that might put us off our grub. As I mistyped earlier, perhaps we ought to kill the stuff we eat directly or at least observe the process, just to ensure that we are happy with our default positions. Its all a tad hypocritical really.
Then why do they make themselves so tasty?
But in reality, its not the meat that is tasty is it? Its what the meat is cooked and eaten with that makes it taste better.
What would we do with all the farm animals? Cows for milk, hens for eggs, but what are the boys going to do?
But in reality, its not the meat that is tasty is it? Its what the meat is cooked and eaten with that makes it taste better.
You're eating the wrong meat mate.
What tastes better than Roast Rib of Beef with gravy made from the stock?
but what are the boys going to do?
Live very short lives.
Then why do they make themselves so tasty?
So that meat eaters can say the same jokes over and over again?
Anyway at least we reach the point where you all admit your taste buds reactions can overcome your ethical objections.
As it didn't actually kill the dog, doesn't matter how quick really does it?
If they drove the nail in quickly, thought the dog was dead, then buried it, it wouldn't seem to be all that cruel, not much difference to using a bolt gun on a cuddly lamb. The bolts sometimes don't kill them you know...............
It is also pretty clear that the person/people that can do that to a dog are psychopathic and need immediate help/containment before they do it to another animal (including humans).
The links between animal cruelty and murder are well documented.
Anyway at least we reach the point where you all admit your taste buds reactions can overcome your ethical objections.
And the point when your travel requirements overcome yours.
If they drove the nail in quickly, thought the dog was dead, then buried it, it wouldn't seem to be all that cruel, not much difference to using a bolt gun on a cuddly lamb. The bolts sometimes don't kill them you know...............
Take it you have no clue what you are talking about!
Winning cheap points for the vegetarian cause by comparing an act of Psychopathy with the meat industry is ridiculous.
Anyway at least we reach the point where you all admit your taste buds reactions can overcome your ethical objections.
All? I think it might just have been me and I don't have any ethical objections, so that statement doesn't even apply to me.
but the meat industry does shoot animals with bolts and not all of them are stunned by this so its not the daftest comparisonWinning cheap points for the vegetarian cause by comparing an act of Psychopathy with the meat industry is ridiculous.
I get it why you dont want to think its cruel but the facts say otherwise
2 men, aged 59 and 60, arrested.
A vigil is also being held for the dog.
2 men, aged 59 and 60, arrested.
Good.
A vigil is also being held for the dog.
Ridiculous. 🙄
natrix - MemberSo trying to kill a dog by driving a nail through its head is unspeakably cruel, but trying to kill a lamb by driving a bolt through its head (as happens in slaughter houses) is OK??
You meaties never fail to amaze me...................
FYI the captive bolt of a slaughterhouse stun gun is larger than a nail and the concussive force is enough to stun, never mind the brain damage. Immediately after stunning the unconscious animal is generally suspended by its hindlegs and the throat is cut.
A vigil is also being held for the dog.
I hope someone shows up with a piano and performs Lennon's Imagine.
but i can still boil the lobster alive
Like I said earlier, your'e doing it wrong.
[b]Junkyard[/b], can I ask if you're just a vegetarian, or a committed vegan - by which I mean no mass-produced dairy, eggs, leather, honey, certain beers, etc? No cakes with eggs or butter in?
All of these industries are well-known for having practices that are inhumane to animals; the mass-mincing of male chicks in the egg industry, the forced pregnancy cycle of cows in the dairy industry, and so on.
Unless you shun everything made using produce from these industries, it's somewhat hypocritical to lecture those who choose to actually eat the animals, don't you think?
Unless you shun everything made using produce from these industries, it's somewhat hypocritical to lecture those who choose to actually eat the animals, don't you think?
forgive my choice of words, but you've hit the nail on the head there. To be vegetarian on ethical grounds is a pretty meaningless gesture. If approaching the matter from an animal welfare standpoint, I would actually suggest one stops eating eggs and dairy before meat.
However, for a lot of people, it's a stepping stone to becoming vegan, so I'm not going to lecture anyone over anything. IMO the world needs a lot more vegans in it, and nagging people (or spouting drivel about hitting flies with your car) isn't helping matters at all. Almost as bad as the delusional meat eater who pretends that his dinner has involved zero cruelty, are the bloody vegan police*.
As this has now gone off on a tangent and is now discussing boiling lobsters and arable farming, I thought I would quote the definition of a tangent.If you want to discuss the finer points of vegan, vegetarian, land use, etc, then why not start your own post?
Given the thread title, I'd say most of the above posts are pretty much on topic.
*like many of the people I met when I first went vegan. Hopefully things have improved since 1992
ps. highly recommended viewing:
http://www.forksoverknives.com/
http://www.nationearth.com/earthlings-1/
2 men, aged 59 and 60, arrested.
The culprits should suffer the same fate using nail gun.
Regarding the self deception mentioned by some on here, I think it's an inherent part of being human. We're often putting our own deaths to the backs of our minds, and there's the whole concept of self image compared to the person other people have to interact with. Self deception is an inescapably human trait.