[Closed] disabled parking permit abuse.

If you think that a Blue Badge is being misused you should:
get as many details as possible from the badge on display
report the matter to your local council, who will investigate and take action

From [url= http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/disabledpeople/motoringandtransport/dg_4001061 ]here[/url]..

They have no remorse, why should you..?

It may be not 'his' permit - it could just belong to a family member and he uses it for his business - I'd shop him.

Or he may be disabled / restricted in ways that are not apparent.

Maybe he has a wife/child who's disabled?

My sister has a disabled permit for her son but she doesn't abuse it for her own use.

You could check his badge and see who it's for or even ask him about it before dobbing him in.

i say go stalker-mental.

get photo's, take notes, record times, buy night-vision goggles, follow him.

and then tell the council, and then get some therapy.

Or he may be disabled / restricted in ways that are not apparent.

I'd like to hear of a disability which allows him to run around and carry heavy loads daily but which is restrictive enough such that he can't walk an extra few yards in a carpark.

Dob him in.

Abuse is rife.

If he is genuinely disabled they'll let him keep it. If he's not then he'll lose it.

My favourite example of abuse is at the swimming baths in Poole, where there are disabled spaces right outside the front door, but they are pay and display.

So every day fleets of "disabled" drivers park their cars on the yellow lines of the main road about 100 yards away, blocking the road for other drivers, so they don't have to pay.

allthepies

I too have a 'blue badge'.

I compete in triathlons, run and ride regularly, consider myself to be pretty fit, but following a serious spinal op can have no spacial awareness if sat driving for any lenght of time, or when im tired. This results in me falling flat on my face when i get out of a car.

If this guy is taking the piss, then he need to be reported. Any genuinely disabled driver would have no qualms about this.

The point im making is please dont judge a book by its cover!

no spacial awareness if sat driving for any lenght of time

isn't spacial awareness handy (some would say essential) when driving a car?

Dave

Hahaha! cheers Dave! 😀

I cannot dorsiflex enough to clear the pavement............

You have no spatial awareness whilst driving or only once you get out? I hope it's not the former...

I cannot dorsiflex enough to clear the pavement.

I mean no disrespect, but I don't see how a blue badge would help in this situation?

captaincarbon... still confused, but don't mean to pry (much).

Dorsiflexion is movement of your ankles/feet right? so isn't that also quite necessary when driving a car (brake pedal etc.)?

Dave

[i]I don't see how a blue badge would help in this situation? [/i]

maybe the larger parking bays give more 'falling over' room?

My dad has had a couple of strokes and as I understand it is legible for a blue badge.
But he doesn't have one as he doesn't feel he needs it and doesn't want to take advantage of the system. But he can walk miles & miles, swim, lift heavy objects etc. and you would be hard pressed to know he had any problems.

People in a similar situation to him may feel it is their 'right' to have a blue badge if they can get it, whether morally they should or not.
Perhaps he is one of these people?

In the immortal words of Half man Half Biscuit:-

Blue Badge Abuser

A dirty rounder, a no-good fraud
A ne’er-do-well of the highest accord
I’ve got the supermarket sympathy vote
I’ve got a ten year old doctor’s note

‘Cos I’m a Blue, Blue Badge Abuser
I’m a Blue, Blue Badge Abuser

I park up in the pouring rain
The space was empty, who’s to complain
And if they did, I’d say I’m due for the op
And sprint wilfully off to the shop

‘Cos I’m a Blue, Blue Badge Abuser
I’m a Blue, Blue Badge Abuser

(Fetch my stick, Margaret!)

I used to favour Justice and Truth
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth
One day I know I’ll have to face his wrath
A walk in hell for a walk-in bath

‘Cos I’m a Blue, Blue Badge Abuser
I’m a Blue, Blue Badge Abuser
I’m a Blue, Blue Badge Abuser
I’m a Blue, Blue Badge Abuser
Blue Badge Abuser

From: Half Man Half Biscuit: Blue Badge Abuser - lyrics http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/csi-ambleside/blue-badge-abuser/#ixzz1aYauwMYc

I'd report him when i had the power to do so i threatened a colleague with the sack for routinely misusing a disabled space.

isn't spacial awareness handy (some would say essential) when driving a car?

Women seem to manage okay.

My mum used to have a blue badge because she ferried her mum, who was registered blind, about.

The first time they used it and parked in a disabled bay my gran got out of the car and put on a limp as she walked to the shop. My mum asked her what she was doing so my gran said that she thought that she should at least look disabled if they were going to use a disabled parking space.

Back to the OP. Dob him in.

If pisses me off to see all of the rich bitches round our way parking in the disabled bays in their massive 4x4s and flash coupes then tottering in to the shops on their high heels. Nowt wrong with the buggers, they just think that because they have a flash car they can park right outside the shop.

Cougar.

It means i can park closer to my destination and not fall flat on my face! I work for the NHS, and need my car for home visits etc,

alfabus.

when driving you use a greater force to plantarflex using your calf (soleus) muscle when depressing pedals, to dorsiflex the muscles are more relaxed. When getting out of the car the muscle that lifts, or dorsiflexes the foot (Tibialis Anterior) doesn't recieve the signal correctly because of the spinal chord injury, to enable me to do this, so i can trip over a rizla paper!

Or he may be disabled / restricted in ways that are not apparent.

Like my father in law.

All I would say is that ebfore you dob them in be very sure about what you are doing to make sure that it's his badge and him whose taking the mickey. Having someone investigated and having a badge taken away can be devastating. That said there are some people who take the p***

stumpy01

Sorry to hear about your dad, i lost mine to a stroke last year.

its your Dads choice, and rightly so.

I use my right when i need to, i dont abuse it.

ah, i see... so you can lift your whole leg to move from accelerator to brake pedal, but don't have the fine control to avoid arse-over-tit antics after you get out.

thanks for the explanation 🙂 Good luck with avoiding errant rizla papers.

Dave

A few years ago I saw a Ferrari 360 parked behind Kendals with a blue badge. Clearly not a wheelchair user then?

And Harry... the rich bitches in 4x4's you're talking about. The same ones who pull up on the zig zag yellow lines outside the school to drop the kids off. Technically they could be classed as disabled. As they certainly seem to have lost the use of their ****ing legs!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6e_zcp-W2g

one of these binners? 😉

Yesterday in the disabled Bay I saw a car with a disabled sticker in it.
It was a spoof one and said deafened by the funk in small letters underneath it.k
Honestly how low can you get?

Was it James Brown?

Maybe be has a stutter .

dob then in but they may have a legitimate reason ..it is very annoying and inconsiderate.
Some fit healthy folk who cannot even be arsed to walk a few extra metres to a shop...I hate them.

Some fit healthy folk who cannot even be arsed to walk a few extra metres to a shop...

deafened by the funk in small letters underneath it.k
Honestly how low can you get?

You're confusing 'funk' with 'bass.'

All I would say is that ebfore you dob them in be very sure about what you are doing to make sure that it's his badge and him whose taking the mickey. Having someone investigated and having a badge taken away can be devastating

If the badge isn't being misused, then they'll investigate and take no action, non?

My dad had a blue badge permit, parked in Tesco one day, all the disabled spaces full, so double parked over 2 spaces to get his wheel chair out, abuse from a fat woman who wanted to park next to me ,despite a huge car park, told her to report it to shop management.

Took dad into Tesco, did his shopping, local natives had stolen all the disabled trolleys that clamp onto the wheel chair, so a young lady offered to push a trolley round for us, as you cant push a trolley and a wheelchir independantly.

Got outside and the usual bmw chav, was moving out of a disabled space,and it was pouring with rain, so ran and got the van, as i was reversing into the space, a very angry chap, started screaming and shouting, so asked what the problem was, he said youre holding up the traffic reversing into a space, and youre also in a disabled bay, he shouted youre not disabled, by this time a large crowd of rubber neckers had gathered, got out of van and a woman decided she would have a go,demanding to know why i had parked in a disabled spot.

I pointed out i was picking my dad up, like hell you are they shouted, i then pointed to my dad, sitting in a wheelchair,a forlorn looking frail chap,registered blind and suffering from terminal cancer, his both feet tightly bandaged due to leg ulcers.

They all looked,i shouted at them he is disabled, now piss off, and they did very red faced.

NEVER TAKE DISABLED OR MOBILITY IMPAIRED PEOPLE AT FACE VALUE, DISABILITIES COVER A LOT OF ILLNESSES AND MEDICAL CONDITIONS, AND THEYRE NOT ALL WRITTEN ACCROSS THE FOREHEAD FOR IGNORANT BYSTANDERS TO SEE.

NEVER TAKE DISABLED OR MOBILITY IMPAIRED PEOPLE AT FACE VALUE, DISABILITIES COVER A LOT OF ILLNESSES AND MEDICAL CONDITIONS, AND THEYRE NOT ALL WRITTEN ACCROSS THE FOREHEAD FOR IGNORANT BYSTANDERS TO SEE.

+1

well said project -

project:

Been through similar while ferrying a wheelchair-bound 93 year old great grandmother around.

That's the worst thing about the folk that have counterfeit badges (or just park in disabled bays because they are selfish cocks) - they make the rest of the world suspicious and angry, to the point that genuine cases get shouted at in supermarkets.

One person's selfish misdeed causing hassle and stress for perfectly innocent people. Annoys the crap out of me.

Thank you project

Project

Don't think the OP was taking anything at face value - running, carrying heavy loads on a daily basis would suggest to me that it would do no harm to enquire...

So that people in your situation have more spaces available to you.

project is right but this isn;t what the OP was describing - it's just someone using a blue badge to make their job a bit easier for them.

EVER TAKE DISABLED OR MOBILITY IMPAIRED PEOPLE AT FACE VALUE, DISABILITIES COVER A LOT OF ILLNESSES AND MEDICAL CONDITIONS, AND THEYRE NOT ALL WRITTEN ACCROSS THE FOREHEAD FOR IGNORANT BYSTANDERS TO SEE.

+1

Had the same sort of incidents/glares/mumblings when I used to take my dad places who was diagnosed with terminal cancer

My friend's brother is mentally impaired and has some movement restriction, so they have a disabled badge. They pass it around the family so they can park in the convenient spaces. Plus he, whilst registered disabled, can walk about town all day no problems.

A blue badge should be used with discretion and responsibility. But those things are way beyond a sizeable section of society it seems.

Really nice to have people agreeing with me for once.

Perhaps everyone should just for a few hours spend some time in a wheelchair to see the ignorance,hatred, and stupidity shown to people with disabilities, any single one of can be struck down with a disability.

Oh and i wasnt having a go at the O/P or anyone else, just trying to show,not all disabilites are on show.

People with limited or impaired mobility (which includes not only wheelchairs, but blindness, shortness of breath etc.); I have absolutely no problem with them having and using a blue badge.

Genuine question: What is the benefit of a blue badge to someone who has no mobility impairment (i.e. the aforementioned cancer sufferer, someone with mental problems who can 'walk around fine all day', my cousin's boyfriend with haemophilia) ?

Are badges given out to anyone with any disability, or are there criteria?

Surely those with a genuine need would be better served by badges being given out more sparingly.

Dave

TBH, I was wondering the same thing.

Surely the whole point of the blue badge scheme is to make life easier for people with mobility issues, rather than being blanket "disabled" badges? Someone who's, say, deaf would be registered disabled, but can walk from the other end of a car park as easily as I can.

hatred

Hatred of disabled people? Really? (genuine question)

Btw anyone see that episode of House where he lost his disabled spot to someone with much more severe disability who was in an electric wheelchair? He had to limp across the car park but she could have rolled as far as she liked with no extra trouble.

Interesting point I thought.

One thing no-one seems to have mentioned, in all this ranting and raving, is why not go and talk to the bloke, find out why he has the blue badge? Or have people lost the ability to actually talk to others?

If he's bona-fide, then there'll be a reasonable explanation. If he's taking the pee, then he'll be on the back foot, and either have to change his behavior or risk getting into trouble.

And if you're too scared to go and talk to him, then maybe get a big mate to do it for you?

Pfft. Can't stand custardly behaviour. Either MTFU and go and talk to him, or STFU and mind yer own business, innit?

Bl*8dy hell! find myself in total agreement with Elfinsafety.

I'll get me coat.........

I don't disagree with elf, but we have moved on a long way from the OP.

Should registered disabled people without mobility problems be given blue badges?

If someone's so disabled they need a special parking space, should they really be in charge of a ton of metal at 70mph?

find myself in total agreement with Elfinsafety.

I don't disagree with elf

It's the only true path forward. Embrace the Truth, for it shall seek you out eventually.

It's often not the person with the badge driving BoardingBob.

If someone's so disabled they need a special parking space, should they really be in charge of a ton of metal at 70mph?

too many shades of grey in that to give a yes/no answer; plenty of people who can drive perfectly well have a gammy leg and can't walk for more than 10m.

Dave

Ok person in question has very limited English his brother does the talking. To go poking my nose in could be damaging for my business.
Village politics and all that.
He has just been up a ladder and was last seen walking easily carrying 4 wedding suits in each hand.
As I said earlier, its not like he is robbing me of a parking space but other people seem to be impaired and in need more than him.

BoardinBob, imagine asking that question to some of our paraolympians? Dave Wear would be a good one to start with.......

If someone's so disabled they need a special parking space, should they really be in charge of a ton of metal at 70mph?

Father in law doesn't get tired driving but he did nearly collapse in Tesco when there were no spaces left and he had to park the other end meaning quite a long walk

If the badge isn't being misused, then they'll investigate and take no action, non?

You can be re-investigated to see whether you are still entitled to all you have at this stage which is why my father/mother in law nearly lost their disability car.

The advice to MTFU and go talk to him is tosh. You only have to think about the possible outcomes.

1. He is disabled and deserves the badge. Disabled guy now feels the OP is an interfering git.

2. He is not disabled. The OP reports him to the people he would have reported to anyway. Whatever would have come of that happens anyway, except now there is bad feeling from the miraculously recovered disabled guy.

There is no outcome that could be better for anyone than if the OP just makes his call to the relevant authorities.

MTFUing is how wars start.

How about GTFU (grow the .... up) instead.

You can be re-investigated to see whether you are still entitled to all you have at this stage which is why my father/mother in law nearly lost their disability car.

Presumably if they had lost it it would be because they weren't entitled to it? But seemingly they were entitled and didn't lose it. So it's all good.

Finding it difficult to see an argument here that isn't "but the nasty council might take away something we're not entitled to."

The advice to MTFU and go talk to him is tosh. You only have to think about the possible outcomes.

There is, in fact, only one possible outcome. "Mind your own farking business, mate."

Used to be able to buy the blue badges in a couple of pubs I frequented a few years ago, presume now they are more tightly controlled...............

Got outside and the usual bmw chav, was moving out of a disabled space

NEVER TAKE DISABLED OR MOBILITY IMPAIRED PEOPLE AT FACE VALUE, DISABILITIES COVER A LOT OF ILLNESSES AND MEDICAL CONDITIONS, AND THEYRE NOT ALL WRITTEN ACCROSS THE FOREHEAD FOR IGNORANT BYSTANDERS TO SEE.

😀

The advice to MTFU and go talk to him is tosh. You only have to think about the possible outcomes.

It's not, and I'll explain why:

Talking to other people is actually quite helpful in getting to know them, and what they're all about. Notice I din't say 'steam over there and demand to know why he's using a disabled badge when he appears not to be so', did I?

So.

Start off with a friendly chat. Be 'neighbourly'. I find this approach leads to being able to obtain far more information than being a curtain-twitcher.

And quite often, there's 'grey area' stuff what don't make things look quite so binary. If you don't know someone, how can you expect to know the real reasons behind what they do?

See? Making sense now?

[b]Elfinsafety: Building bridges and forging community relations since last week.[/b]

Bloody hell - has someone taken over Elfinsafety's login?

That's definitely some common sense 😉

Start off with a friendly chat. Be 'neighbourly'. I find this approach leads to being able to obtain far more information than being a curtain-twitcher.

Like it. Appear friendly, gain his trust, and [i]then[/i] stab him in the back.

More neighbourly innit? 😉

Presumably if they had lost it it would be because they weren't entitled to it? But seemingly they were entitled and didn't lose it. So it's all good.

Finding it difficult to see an argument here that isn't "but the nasty council might take away something we're not entitled to."

Problem is the council need to save money and they were entitled to stuff but since the rules changed recently if there's an ability to save money they will take it. Despite both inlaws needing disability aids they both say that they aren't disabled and try to to do anything they can to not take the mickey which is they're downfall at times as they only say that when they are fine which is about 50% of the year. I'm only saying this as it's stuff I have found out from my mrs' work as that's her area.

That said there are still people who are just lazy and reap the benefits of disability aids like a neighbour who has a scooter and uses as a taxi to take her kids to school then goes and then goes and digs over her front garden. I've not spoken to her either, don't know the extent of her issues so not going to shop her in.

molgrips - Member

hatred

Hatred of disabled people? Really? (genuine question)

Interesting point I thought.

Posted 1 hour ago # Report-Post

Quite a few people show obvious hatred for the disabled, especuilly ones with downs, or learning difficulties, and as for aspergers and schizophrenics, they just dont want to be near them,probably incase they drool on them.

sc-xc - Member

Got outside and the usual bmw chav, was moving out of a disabled space

NEVER TAKE DISABLED OR MOBILITY IMPAIRED PEOPLE AT FACE VALUE, DISABILITIES COVER A LOT OF ILLNESSES AND MEDICAL CONDITIONS, AND THEYRE NOT ALL WRITTEN ACCROSS THE FOREHEAD FOR IGNORANT BYSTANDERS TO SEE.

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But did he own or was displaying a bluie badge, with the relevant picture of the owner on it,

NO, so ilegally parked.

Good mate of mine has one! Fell of motorbike at oulton park, spent 30 mins in the tyre wall before being airlifted to hospital. Close to death, broken pelvis, hip, ankle, and bad internal bleeding. Now has one leg shorter than the other by an inch and some gammy blood clot filter they forgot to remove and now can't! How we chuckled when he mentioned using it as we pulled into Cannock Chase car park the other day. Didn't bother as it said you still had to pay 😉

So the badge needs a picture does it? As the person in question doesn't have one. Would the traffic wardens be clued up on this or are there different kinds?

Quite a few people show obvious hatred for the disabled, especuilly ones with downs, or learning difficulties, and as for aspergers and schizophrenics, they just dont want to be near them,probably incase they drool on them.

they just dont want to be near them,probably incase they drool on them.

Not the same thing as hatred though is it?