[Closed] Dilemma - 4k console or build a PC?

I guess it depends.  As you say, GPU prices are sky high largely because of a lack of supply so you'd be looking at a 1070 or above for reasonable quality 4K PC gaming.  Looking back, spending £550 in 2015 on an Nvidia 980TI was one of my smarter purchases, my PC will be good for a couple of years yet of 4k gaming.  Your CPU and 1155 motherboard will be fine for a while yet, any bottleneck is likely to be down to the GPU.

On the other hand with a console, you have one hardware standard meaning that games can be highly optimised although you have the issue of deciding which console and exclusive titles you prefer.

@pjm1974 - Agree. 1070 is looking like £350 upwards. i have consider a 970/980 but don't trust the 2nd hand market with them now a they have probably been mined within an inch of their lives. its bonkers you could still sell that card now and come out OK.

As for consoles, i have always been a PlayStation man, but the thing putting me of the PS4 Pro is thats its not Native/fully 4k compared to the Xbox one X.

As for titles....i usually play fifa cod which is multi platform, only PlayStation exclusive i used to like was gran turismo but my brother has a one s with all the forza and think that would it that scratch. so much for muchness, have noticed tho that there are 'less' interesting games being brought out.

My other hobby/job is Autocad. i do Autocad for work and as i hobby i draw in 3d and generally play around with it that where the PC would be quite usefull.Laptop i have at the moments runs cad fine but know where near as smooth as it could be.

If you want to play games, get a console.

If you want a hobby involving building PCs, agonising over frame rates and temps get a PC.

I work in an IT Support company, I can get bits at trade and usually not have to pay the VAT, I can build them myself and I can call on a couple of decades worth of experience if it all goes wrong. We've got a shared Steam account with hundreds of games on it blah blah blah. Despite this, I've got an Xbox because all I want to do it turn it on and play some games, which it does faultlessly, every single time. If I wanted to troubleshoot why this or that is happening or isn't I'd use my gaming PC.

Console is a lot cheaper..

For a decent PC 4k gaming rig (60+fps), you need a very expensive GFX card. The only way of bringing down the cost of PC rig is to make sure its an efficient build with a decent graphics card for mining/gaming and mine during the day, this should reduce the cost of the graphics card over the lifetime of the card.

As for your old E3 CPU, I also have one! I'll be using mine in a mining rig as it has low power consumption.

Xbox one X totally rocks! Definite recommend.

Very, very pretty and smooth running. Backwards compatibility with 360 games (not controllers, annoyingly) and absolutely loads of X1 games have been patched up to 4K. Skyrim/COD/Fallout 4/Halo are all stunning. Haven't tried FIFA.

I switched from PC to console gaming about ten years ago and never looked back.  I got bored of the constant hardware arms race.

I guess the question is, do you actually want a PC for other duties, or is it just a gaming rig?  If it's just for games then I'd stick with the console.

Great feed back thanks.

@p-jay yeah totally get that hence the appeal of a console I put a disk in press go play for a few hours put it away.quite simple.

@milkie not a bad idea to mine it during he day, dosnt that not just ‘wear’ the GPU having it cranking  at full all the time?

As for the CPU does yours have ‘intel confidential’ written on it?

@bodgy cheers for honest feed back

head says Xbox one x for spec heart says ps4 maybe I am over thinking it?

What I could do is build a pc to an ok spec to run 1080p compentantly which should be hard to do?and not crazy expensive?

@cougar ideally yes.pc would be used for other things as mentioned like 3D cad music making below average video edits. Then Mrs may use it for work and bit and pieces.

PErhaps some more food for thought.....

microsoft has confirmed there will be soon support for mouse and keyboard for the Xbox one x as they bring Xbox and Windows 10 ever closer together.

In gaming terms, that will literally be a game changer, but there have also been muttering about the office suite being released for the console as well.  Not sure where I saw that last snippet but it’s been in a couple of places.  I think the student market would be sewn up if that happens.

I had the same quandary last year and in the end I built myself a PC (with some very useful advice from the peeps on this forum).

I spent roughly £500 on a PC which doubles as a gaming machine and a work PC during the day.

It's a very sensibly spec'd machine and the graphics card is an AMD Radeon RX 480 which hit the sweet spot of price vs performance.  I haven't found any games it struggles with and for the price it has been faultless.

Expensive at the moment, a mid range graphics card like an rx580 (which is barely any better than an rx480)  will set you back about £390.

For true 4k gaming you'd want a much more expensive graphics card than that.

16gb of decent ram, North of £200, it was less than half that about a year ago.

Perfect storm of global memory shortages, well, demand outstripping supply, crypto mining, and weak pound.

head says Xbox one x for spec heart says ps4 maybe I am over thinking it?

A few things here which might help (disclosure, I'm an Xbox owner but have no real brand loyalty):

The Xbox can play 4K Blu-ray discs, the PS4 cannot.

The PS4 has (arguably) better platform exclusives.

The Xbox has limited backwards compatibility, you can run some old 360 games from disc (it actually downloads a new copy IIRC, point is you don't have to re-buy games you already own) or buy them from the store.  New titles are continually being added.  I think the PS4 now does something similar but you have to buy them from the store even if you already own them - could a PS4 owner confirm maybe?

An Xbox Live Gold subscription (~£30/year) nets you two free 360 games and two free One games every month.  Again, I think the PS4 now does something similar (PS Plus?) but I'm not sure how it compares?

Both machines are of comparable spec for pretty much all practical purposes, you'd be hard pressed to tell them apart on spec.  You'll almost certainly be happy with whichever you opt for.

If you have any interest at all in online gaming then despite all of the above the correct answer is "get whatever your mates have."

The only true 4k gaming card that can deliver good 60FPS + is the GTX 1080 ti, £850-£1000 for cheaper brands.

This would get bottle necked by an E3 1280 v2 (104th vs 6th place for a modern CoffeeLake i7)

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-E3-1270-V2-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8700K/m11264vs3937

You could still get away with that CPU but minimum FPS could suffer in demanding games, gta V, witcher, Dayz etc

Online PC gaming I much prefer to console, game prices on Steam, online community, ability to drop another graphics card in every 3-4 years, my Q9650 lasted 9 years with just a change of gfx now and again.

If you are going to consider PC, i'd say £1500 -£2000 for a Coffeelake, 16gb DDR4, gtx 1080ti, Z370 board, 700w PSU, etc

In fact there you go, i5 8400 6 core CPU would do it, with huge potential upgrade path to a 8700k in future.

Add SSD for quicker boot up times, faster game load up times but not essential, Windows 10 possibly?

Key things here big 1080 ti to properly handle 4k games on Ultra and a coffeelake CPU good enough not to bottleneck said graphics, with enough RAM for all games. Aerocool PSU although budget, i've used in hundreds of gaming rigs without 1 failure, £30 more would get you Corsair.

PS don't fall into the trap of overpriced motherboards, they tend to offer little gain other than bluetooth, wifi, auto overclocking features etc.

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I switched to console only after years of both I got sick of the upgrading cards or processors every few year to keep up to date.

Playstation fan boy here.

Cruzcampo are you Trigger?

You can't do 4K PC gaming on a budget - at least not to a point you'd get any benefit over a console (and it would likely be a lot worse).

It depends a bit on the type of games you play but for me PC gaming is all about high frame rate and high quality graphics, you'll get neither trying to PC 4K game on a tight budget. Sure you might run at 4K resolution but you'll have 30 fps and graphics quality set to low.

I personally can't get on with console controllers + a lot of games I like don't translate to a console so I had to go down the PC gaming route. I bought a new one just over a year ago and it cost me over £2.5k and even then I decided not to get a 4K monitor as I preferred to run at 1440 with 100+ fps and graphics on high quality settings. Again though that's a lot to do with the type of games I play.

Console gaming is limited to 60fps but everything is optimised around that, if I play a game like PUBG at 60fps vs my usual 130-140fps (I have a 144Hz g-sync monitor) it's noticeable and it's feels horrible but I'd probably get used to it and if I'd only ever played it at 60fps I guess I wouldn't realise what I was missing. But if I was intending to game on a TV (and therefore limited to 60Hz anyway) I just don't see the point in using a PC over a console (unless the games you wanted to play weren't available on console)/

I bought an xbox one x at christmas, aside from the fact that it seems games these days (insert grumpy old git comment here) seem to be yet another COD, FIFA etc rehash, the console itself is mostly good (but some bad)

Graphically , its impressive on a 4k HDR screen, it virtually silent running even when pushed hard. However it does seem much more bug ridden than any other console I have used (last console I had was xbox 360), Games seem to crash far more frequently than I would expect - I'd expect them to never crash and be absolutely rock solid, but they do seem to crash everynow and then, maybe once per 8 - 12 hours of play . Maybe its just because developers rushed out xbox one x specific version of games without proper testing, and it will get better with time, but at the moment it feels very much like the experience I used to get on a PC.

examples

Fallout 4 crashed out back to the 'desktop' mid way through the first level and lost all my progress - cant be bothered to replay that again

Titanfall 2 - the games downloaded an update and lost all my save points, again cant be bothered with that again

Forza Horizon 3 - crashed out to desktop

Forza 7 - various weird bugs, sound going funny, graphical glitches etc

Overall - its good for the money compared to a gaming PC, but its not that reliable yet.

Have both a PS4Pro and a not bad pc

I5 7600k

Rx480 8gb

8gb Ram.

Don't have a 4k monitor but do have a 1440p monitor and it's stunning. However if I had to have one it would be a console just for the simplicity.

I have the same TV and the ps4 pro looks stunning on it. I'd forget the 1x even though it's a great console, the ps4 has better exclusives.

I'm lucky that I can play forza on the PC.

@milkie not a bad idea to mine it during he day, dosnt that not just ‘wear’ the GPU having it cranking  at full all the time?

If anything there is less wear and tear with mining. You generally underclock and undervolt the card to improve efficiency, so you actually turn the GFX card down. Gaming you overvolt, overclock the card, basically running above the specs they designed it to, mining you run it slower/cooler than gaming.

Miners are concerned with getting the card to last as it may take a year or so to make the money back. Hardcore gamers not so much, they will sell it 2nd hand in 6 months for more money than they paid when they bought it, due to increasing GFX card prices, due to miners.

The only true 4k gaming card that can deliver good 60FPS + is the GTX 1080 ti, £850-£1000 for cheaper brands.

I'm not sure that I agree with this, a 4K television is going to be limited to 60hz refresh rate anyway.  My 980TI is approximately in the Nvidia 1070 ballpark performance-wise, but I've never had an issue with 4k performance at high detail settings.

I also disagree with the notion that buying into a gaming PC means an arms race.  A decent spec CPU, memory and motherboard will keep you going for a surprisingly long time.  The flashy stuff is in the GPU which is subject to price gouging as a result of bitcoin mining etc.

Going down the console route does mean a lot less hassle - I sympathise with PC experts who just want to plug in and play, but equally the current generation of consoles will be replaced with something newer and shinier in due course.  Backwards compatibility isn't always a given (for example the Sony PlayStation series), but at the very least you'll have a guarantee of well optimised games that will make the most of a universal hardware standard.

@milkie not a bad idea to mine it during he day, dosnt that not just ‘wear’ the GPU having it cranking  at full all the time?

There is also potentially less physical wear on the card, as the card is typically running for long periods of time and not at full throttle it doesn't go through as many thermal cycles (heating up and cooling down constantly).

I also disagree with the notion that buying into a gaming PC means an arms race.  A decent spec CPU, memory and motherboard will keep you going for a surprisingly long time.

Yeah I agree, my previous gaming PC lasted nearly 4 years and I expect to get at least 3 years out of my new one (without any major upgrades). However it does mean you need to buy near top spec when you do refresh and pay a premium as a result (otherwise you will probably need to upgrade various components more frequently). Right now I probably only need a 1070 for the gaming I do but I spec'd a 1080Ti as figured it would work out cheaper than a 1070 now + decent next gen card in 1-2 years time.

The only true 4k gaming card that can deliver good 60FPS + is the GTX 1080 ti, £850-£1000 for cheaper brands.

The pricing for those is nuts,  they were closer to £600 when they first came out.

I know everyone is blaming bitcoin miners, but even cards which would be worthless for mining e.g. 1030 are going up in price.

Think your looking at about £1600 for a 4k Pc

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Think your looking at about £1600 for a 4k Pc

You could buy an Xbox and a PS4 for that.  Twice.

A PC may be better than a console - but is it four times better?

Errrrm Overclockers are horrifically overpriced.

I built my new gaming PC after my 10 year old one (Q6600 if anyone cares) finally got overclocked/hammered to death by flightsims.

Only re-used the SSD/HDD and it came to less than £900 for bits.

Core i5 8600K

Asus motherboard - not an expensive one -£110ish iirc

16Gb Grucial DDr4 boggo ram

120+240GB SSD

1Tb HDD just in case

3GB gforce 1060 - might be a weak spot for 4k, but delivers 140-200fps in flightsims in windowed mode in normal HD

Corsair case and power supply.

OP, I have the same TV.... Cracker innit? Really happy with it. Just wish the cable to the box that has the HSMI and USB sockets was longer. Do you have a Samsung phone? So easy to mirror / play stuff from the phone to the TV!

I'm in the process of trying to sell my PS3 and will ultimately get an xbox one x but it's gonna be a stealth purchase and hope the wife doesn't spot it!

If you want a hobby involving building PCs, agonising over frame rates and temps get a PC.

Excuse me whilst I quote myself - but see above...

It's gone from a "I built myself a PC for £500" to "Proper 4k gaming for £1600".

I'm not saying it nonsense, it's just PC gamers always seem to end up spending more time on the build side of things and the actual playing of games become second.

Not to mention, and I hope I'm not bursting anyone's bubble here - we knock out gaming spec machines as low-cost CAD / Media PC, they're usually about the same - 7th Gen mid-range i5, 16GB RAM, 1050Ti 4GB, not cheap, but not mega money either (still twice the cost of a PS4 Pro) and they play game beautifully, benchmark scores are pretty low though. A few months ago we had a 'special order' in 6 core i7, 32GB RAM and a Titan X - the boys were all salivating over it, we fired it up and tested it - it looks lovely, but the performance difference between the 1050Ti and the Titan X wasn't otherworldly, in fact, whilst I do need glasses, I could hardly tell the difference. Admittedly it was on a 1080p screen.

Admittedly it was on a 1080p screen.

Yeah... thats a kinda critical point, lol! a 4k screen is pushing about 4 times as many pixels as 1080p, hence the need for much more graphics horsepower.

A gtx1080ti or a titan on a 1080p screen is a complete waste of money, it's like driving a ferrari to tescos.

Or a Bentley to TK Maxx?

" Titan X wasn’t otherworldly, in fact, whilst I do need glasses, I could hardly tell the difference. Admittedly it was on a 1080p screen."

1920 x 1080 = 2 million odd pixels

4k 3840 x 2160 = 8 million odd pixels

Try the 1050ti on ultra @ 4k and it will be akin to a slideshow 😀

I’m not sure that I agree with this, a 4K television is going to be limited to 60hz refresh rate anyway.  My 980TI is approximately in the Nvidia 1070 ballpark performance-wise, but I’ve never had an issue with 4k performance at high detail settings.

I also disagree with the notion that buying into a gaming PC means an arms race.  A decent spec CPU, memory and motherboard will keep you going for a surprisingly long time.  The flashy stuff is in the GPU which is subject to price gouging as a result of bitcoin mining etc."

Thats exactly what i'm saying buy a cheap mobo, decent enough i5 not to bottleneck modern cards, hence cheapo 8400 6 core i5 coffeelake, with cheaper single 16gb stick O ram. Then add appropriate graphics be it a 1070, 1080, or 1080ti. I guess you could play on medium or high to get those FPS a little higher, but so many strive for 60fps.

I switched to console only after years of both I got sick of the upgrading cards or processors every few year to keep up to date.

Playstation fan boy here.

Cruzcampo are you Trigger?

Who's Trigger? lol

I’m not saying it nonsense, it’s just PC gamers always seem to end up spending more time on the build side of things and the actual playing of games become second

What you're saying is nonsense though! I built my own PC last time (for the first time), took a couple of hours + a couple of hours watching YouTube vids and googling first (I wanted to be prepared as my usual ham-fisted home bike mechanic guessing often ends up with broken things which I couldn't afford with the PC). OK I had an issue (turned out to be a faulty motherboard) that probably took another 8-10 hours of my time to resolve (diagnosing and replacing it). However after that it's been faultless, it's on 24x7 but goes into sleep mode, reboots itself occasionally following a Windows update. I've had games crash a few times requiring a hard reboot to but from posts above it doesn't seem that's unique to PCs (I also play a few early access/beta games so expect it to an extent).

I've done 500+ hours gaming on it since the initial build faff - so hardly spending anywhere near as much time getting it working as enjoying it. That said for a sub £1500 build I would just buy a pre-built system anyway, you don't save enough on components to make the little saving on building it yourself worthwhile (especially adding in the fact you don't have one place to go to for warranty issues if you self-build).

Obviously a PC isn't generally as hassle free as a console but you're trying to paint a very strange and distorted picture of what building/owning one for gaming is like...

wow loads to read thank you all

reading and thinking i think i am going to abandon a 4k gaming rig and build a 1080p rig which will be perfect for my needs.1050/1060 GPU are more realistic for what i need price wise.

Console wise doing even more reading i am leaning towards the x box one x. So i think xbox one X it is.

@smudger - Thats interesting will look into that.

@cougar - As for my firends id say most are xbox ones.....are one X capable of playing on line with one S oweners?

@cruzcampo - yeap understand that the 1080 gtx ti is probably the only real card to do 4k comfy. and to be honest i dont have
that kind of cash just for a GPU. or the cash build a 2k rig, hence trying to utilise what i have.

@julians - yeah i my borther has a one s and when he buys a new games aprat from the space it seems to eat up on the HD seems to tkae an ages to download.

@bwfc4eva868 - Good point could altho i think i am set on xbox one x i think getting a ps4 then other titles can be got on pc. good way of having your cake and eatingi supose.

@sobriety - how do you find the 1060? what i am thinking at the moment is 1050/1060 should build a comepetent hd rig.

@aphex_2k - Yes!Love and love it. You can buy new cables and longer cables. i need alonger one as i am putting the HSMI on the other side of a wall so its hidden. used to have but then wen to apple even thats pretty easy to mirror with.
haha its just going to appear and morph from one to another. and claim its the same as its black and boxy.

Good call. I’m sure you’ll not be disappointed. Happy gaming! 🎮

As for my firends id say most are xbox ones…..are one X capable of playing on line with one S oweners?

Yes you can they use the same OS just the S is a better machine.

just the S is a better machine.

Ooh. Contentious. And why, pray tell?

the S is a better machine

You've got that backwards.  The S is a regular One reissued in a smaller package (like the PS Slim) with a few tweaks, notably HDR and 4K Blu-Ray support (essentially because it has a HDMI 2.0 port rather than 1.something in the original).  The One X is the one which has native 4K gaming and is much more powerful.

I would be tempted to buy a 2nd hand mining card for gaming, it will be a lot cheaper and you should be able to do 4k @ 60fps.

Make sure you change the device type to PC on your TV, otherwise the chroma subsampling maybe incorrect, you want 4:4:4, your manual should tell you how to achieve this. This means text will not be displayed correctly, it can look a bit blurry and sometimes as though its changing colour, despite it being black text.

Oh aye!

😂 😕

1060 has been really good for standard HD, my current poison is 'War Thunder' at it'll happily throw that aronud at 'Movie' detail at 140-170fps in a full screen window (I've got a dual monitor set up), all the other games I've tried (IL2 Cliffs of Dover/Hold Fast/Wolfenstein/Bioshock Infinite/Fallout 4-Urgh) I've just clicked the 'Ultra' button and run it.

I picked up mine when the 3Gb 1060 was approx £180 it's one of these (I think, unless Palit have changed the overclock or owt since I got mine)

https://www.cclonline.com/product/217347/NE51060015F9-1061F/Graphics-Cards/Palit-GeForce-GTX-1060-StormX-3GB-Graphics-Card/VGA3647/

Depressingly the price seems to have gone up by £60...