[Closed] DIE CARNIVORE!!!!!!

Did she make a joke about bacon?

A little ironic really.

I'm not a vegan but the patronizing ****wit they just had on r4 could drive me to murder he was tramping out old tired cliche after cliche where do the bbc find these people ?

Hang on, as I understand it, a vegan group came in (having asked specifically for vegan options to be made available) then one of the vegans orders a pizza with mozzarella on it. Is that not the woman the chef is referring to?

[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/vegans-still-claiming-they-have-their-own-cheese-20170714131859 ]Maybe it was vegan mozzarella, that isn’t made out of buffalo’s?[/url]

Telford Vegan Action group

Wowsers.

Not knowing the full story, and only the information given by the newspaper, it’s hard to understand quite what the chef did actually serve the Vegan person in question.

If the chef did on purpose serve the Vegan person no vegan diet, then that’s more than mean that’s downright disgusting behaviour for a chef.

I do however think the comment by the Board is telling, looking for two new chefs spikes of an advert..

But silly of her really, 1) For doing it, and 2) Telling the World that she'd done it.

was this a vaginuary thing?

Not knowing the full story, and only the information given by the newspaper, it’s hard to understand quite what the chef did actually serve the Vegan person in question.

Coverage elsewhere says pretty much what tomhoward said:
- vegan group booked and the chef prepared special vegan options on the menu
- member of the group instead ordered pizza with mozzarella (which isn't vegan)
- customer got what they ordered
- understandably narked chef made a jokey Facebook saying she had "spiked a vegan"
- social media meltdown! Death threats etc etc

Buffalo's what, Binners?

It’s the death threats thing that gets me. What’s the point of killing someone if you’re not going to eat them. That’s just wasteful

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Social media is ****ed up. I'm glad I don't need to use it for work and that I don't have to deal with the public.

It's not like she took a vegan's kid to McDonalds is it? Only a proper **** would do that.

deadlydarcy - Member
It's not like she took a vegan's kid to McDonalds is it? Only a proper **** would do that.

Good memory. 😀

Who was that posting?

Do we know if the Vegan Police were involved and if the customer lost their Vegan Powers?

I'm not a vegan but the patronizing **** they just had on r4 could drive me to murder he was tramping out old tired cliche after cliche where do the bbc find these people ?

Giles Coren. Goes out of his way to be controversial at times, but is actually a half decent writer when he isn't being a tit, and he did make some good points too.

Likewise the vegan was trotting out the same old crap too - eg vegans are healthier. Which is true but not necessarily because they're vegan, because they watch everything they eat and probably also do loads of yoga and pilates too. And don't drink shedloads. If they adopted the same outlook with occasional controlled portions of lean meat and fish they'd be just as healthy and possibly even more so!

Good memory

He keeps files. Detailed files.

Nothing to see here. Move along...

😀

binners - Member

It’s the death threats thing that gets me. What’s the point of killing someone if you’re not going to eat them. That’s just wasteful

Well Binners, sometimes I wants to **** em. And I wouldn't feel right eating em after. Man's got to draw the line somewhere.

they'd be just as healthy

And stronger. Don't forget that.

He keeps files. Detailed files.

Que?

🙂

death threats?

people are weird

Quando?

Telford Vegan Action group

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Quando?

Nandos?

but is actually a half decent writer

He keeps files. Detailed files.

On his desk?

So the chef just checked some Mozz on a pizza then?

Que?

This is complicated, too complicated to follow..

The group, a vegan group, ordered pizza with Mozzarella on it and the chef made just exactly what they ordered? And now the chef faces Death Threats because the group received what they ordered?

😯

Yeah, the fool in this is the outage in Social Media..

To bloody complicated to consider, so a vegan group order cheese on pizzas?? 😆

This is hurting my head, clearly the group aren't bloody vegan or they are deeply confuddled as to the dietary make up of veganism...

Yeah... right.

I remember once long ago in my restaurant working years a vegan (she didn't tell me about it until after) bringing her two 6 ish year old children in for lunch and ordering three bean burgers one for her and one each for the little darlings, the latter two to have "bacon and cheese".

Twenty minutes later cue two very smiley boys telling mum how nice their burgers were. About three seconds later her face dropped and she beckoned me over to ask, clearly mortified, "is that real bacon? But they're vegan!" Fortunately she realised it was at very least, equal parts to blame. Her face was a picture as she tried to explain to the kids why the nice man had to take their lovely food away.

I suspect crossed wires as per dangeourbrain's anecdote. Vegan group assumes that chef is aware and so they will be getting "vegan" cheese. Chef makes food per order.

What should have happened is:
Chef to Server - "They do know mozzarella isn't vegan don't they?"
Server - "I'll just go and check..."

However busy restaurant, multiple covers and the like means chances of that happening not high.

matt_outandabout - Member
Telford Vegan Action group
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Them's not shandals.

The group, a vegan group, ordered pizza with Mozzarella on it and the chef made just exactly what they ordered? And now the chef faces Death Threats because the group received what they ordered?

Sounds about right from the limited evidence presented in the story. She didn't "spike" anything, she cooked what was asked for. Seems lacking for the restaurant not to query it though, given the previous conversations.

Coming soon to https://notalwaysright.com/

Lol at death threats from Vegans. What are they going to do with all that reduced muscle mass, pelt the chef with lentils? I’d love to be the target of a vegan action group. I’d simply borrow Lady Ga-ga’s meat dress so that all they could do is stare at me until they got tired 😉

A reduced muscle mass vegan, yesterday:

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Oh FFS!

Ms Goodman is said to have received death threats.

As in, she didn't receive any death threats. Or has everyone started swallowing lies from the Murdoch media all of a sudden?

I've been in this situation many times. If the chef agrees to make an all-vegan menu, the diners will expect it to be vegan. Vegan mozzarella is not exactly uncommon, Pizza Express and Pizza Hut offer it FFS. So if after agreeing a vegan menu, someone asked for 'mozzarella' they made have made the not unreasonable assumption that it would be the vegan version. A quick question by the chef or a waiter would have resolved the confusion. But no, the chef decided to be a pedantic **** and used normal mozzarella knowing full well that wasn't what was the diner wanted. Then she bragged about it on the internet, pretty much confirming that she knew what she was doing. So hardly a surprise then that the vegan community would start an internet campaign to stop others dining there. She resigned not because she gave a vegan real mozzarella, but because she brought the reputation of the restaurant into disrepute, both with vegans and non-vegans who might have specific, not to mention health dependent, dietary requirements.

Carry on with the idiocy though. Bacon, weaklings, lentils, blah blah.

pretty much bang on the money there Daz.

😆

A reduced muscle mass vegan, yesterday:

A clearly piss taking comment today!

If the diner agrees to make an all-vegan menu, the cheif will expect them to be vegan. Buffalo mozzarella is not exactly uncommon, Pizza Express and Pizza Hut offer it FFS. So if after agreeing a vegan menu, someone asked for 'mozzarella' they may have made the not unreasonable assumption that it would be the non vegan version. A quick question by the diner or reading the menu would have resolved the confusion.

All parties could have avoided the situation thus no need vegan outrage.

A clearly piss taking comment today!

Yareckon? (-:

Just proving a point, was all.

I’m with you bothers. Flip it, and If I asked for cheese and someone gave some vegan mushroom based shite i’d be the guns of the ****ing Naverone.

Never mind death threats on Twitter! I’d kill them there and then with my bare hands and bury there body in a shallow grave on the moors

You might want to check some facts there too dazh.

She is co-owner of the restaurant. Her partner was quoted extensively in [url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/02/chef-gets-death-threats-claiming-have-spiked-vegan-diner/ ]The Telegraph[/url] and confirmed they had received death threats:

Ms Goodman's partner Michael Gale apologised for any upset the matter had caused, but insisted it had been a huge "misunderstanding".

He said: "Laura is absolutely mortified by the comments she made which were posted in the early hours of the morning after a very long shift and too much to drink.

"There is no question of her having 'spiked' anyone. We had a group of vegetarian and vegan customers who booked a table.

"Laura had spoken to them before they came in and had suggested some dishes they might like to try which they said they would be happy to order.

"But instead when they did come in they only ordered two dishes off the standard menu, a roasted cauliflower dish and a margherita pizza which obviously has buffalo mozzarella cheese.

"When one of the waitresses came into the kitchen she commented that she thought one of the vegans had been eating the pizza. The comment came from that.

"There is no way Laura would ever do anything to jeopardize the business that we have put so much work into. She is absolutely mortified by what has happened and we can only offer our sincere apologies for these ill-advised comments.

"Unfortunately Laura has death threats which we have reported to the police."

So if after agreeing a vegan menu, someone asked for 'mozzarella' they made have made the not unreasonable assumption that it would be the vegan version. A quick question by the chef or a waiter would have resolved the confusion. But no, the chef decided to be a pedantic **** and used normal mozzarella knowing full well that wasn't what was the diner wanted.

I'd totally agree with you if the punter had ordered from the special vegan menu. But.....

She had spent a lot of time designing a special vegan menu for a party, who then decided to choose something from the existing menu – one meal of which was a cheese-based pizza, which isn’t vegan friendly. This is what she meant by the Facebook comment. In no way does this excuse the comment and we totally understand the anger it has subsequently caused.

I'm not a vegan but I am a veggie. If given the option of a bespoke veggie menu or something off the main menu and made the mistaken assumption the chicken in the chicken korma on the main menu was actually Quorn because they'd made a special veggie menu (so they are veggieists) I'd put the blame firmly at my own door. Sure the chef was really stupid to gob off on social media and yes in this moron infested country the waiting staff should have probably checked to save them from themselves but the reaction is still totally OTT. They would have had no idea if the group of vegans might have contained a vegetarian though.

Where did the word spiked come from - she's not seemed to have used it. Feeding someone something exactly as described is hardly spiking.

I think my outrage level mostly depends on the "menu" presented, and I assume we have no idea on that score.

If (as is implied) the chef presented them with a series of vegan options on a specific menu and one of them then said "I want a pizza form the main menu" then **** 'em IMO; they ought to have been intelligent enough to work out that this may not be a vegan option since it wouldn't have been on the vegan menu. In much the same way that a diner asking for a "nut roast" probably isn't worried about allergies, the staff could reasonably have assumed that the vegan group clearly had a non-vegan with them.

Regardless, the real stoopid comes in when we get to the tweets - bit like the daft cow who "totally just hit a cyclist" or whatever it was

I love my meat but the weak & feeble Vegan comments are way off the mark.

If the diner agrees to make an all-vegan menu, the cheif will expect them to be vegan. Buffalo mozzarella is not exactly uncommon, Pizza Express and Pizza Hut offer it FFS. So if after agreeing a vegan menu, someone asked for 'mozzarella' they may have made the not unreasonable assumption that it would be the non vegan version.

A quick question by the diner or reading the menu would have resolved the confusion.

All parties could have avoided the situation thus no need vegan outrage

And this is why I only eat in vegan restaurants,which probably make me an extremist in some folks eyes, and why you dont **** with the vegan massive 😉

Well I don't read the telegraph so was only going off the linked article. CBA searching the bloody internet over something like this. Irrespective though, the vegan group had a veggie present which is not exactly uncommon, so why then the outrage from the chef at her wasted effort of designing a vegan menu, and then the idiotic bragging on the internet about spiking 'pious' vegans? I wondered if it had occurred to her to just give the non-vegan a bloody pizza as they'd requested and leave it at that?

If (as is implied) the chef presented them with a series of vegan options on a specific menu and one of them then said "I want a pizza form the main menu" then **** 'em IMO; they ought to have been intelligent enough to work out that this may not be a vegan option

TBH, I'm inclined to agree. At the very least the diners should've asked - I always do. You can't trust restaurants to pay attention to your whims, I've been caught out once too often.

We had a group of vegetarian and vegan customers who booked a table.

Assuming that to be true then that's a big difference from a group of just vegans. Serving cheese pizza to that group would be wholly appropriate (though it'd be sensible for the server to let them know).

In which case, her only crime is getting pissed and then having a laugh about it on Twitter later.

I think perhaps the biggest issue here is that we aren't in full knowledge of what actually happened and are making wild speculations.

the vegan group had a veggie present

so its reasonable for the chef to assume they are vegans and then reasonable for the chef to think when the vegans ask for cheese they dont mean vegan cheese?

Nope. Well yes if the group were booked in under the name 'Vegan only society' but otherwise it would be reasonable to assume that the group has a high proportion of vegans but not necessarily exclusive.

If they were setup for vegan pizza making would that not have made its way to the bespoke menu?

reasonable for the chef to think when the vegans ask for cheese they dont mean vegan cheese?

Did the chef know the order was for one of the vegans? Wouldn’t she be in the kitchen preparing orders from chits? From the quote it sounds like the first she knew was when one of the waitresses commented on it.

Also the other owner said the group was vegans and vegetarians. Not that unreasonable to assume that a vegetarian order off the standard menu, ignoring the specially prepared vegan menu item, might be for a vegetarian?

Edit: I type too slowly. Points already made.

Point missed though drac argues the chef can assume they are vegan and then can also assume they just want cheese, not vegan cheese*. It has to be one or the other.
I think its bizarre that neither side checked WTF they were ordering given they both knew vegans were there. However cougar notes we dont know all the facts may have been a veggie with them or the chef did spike it or anything in between.

* i dont put the work vegan in front of milk when I ask for it in general** and i dont think i would if I was ordering what I thought was a vegan a meal. I dont think I would fail to realise it was real cheese either as , it would, after all, have a taste.
** friends and family and work colleagues know I am vegan so they know what i mean anyway and if i did say vegan I would be ramming it down their throats and I dont like to preach

Point missed though drac argues the chef can assume they are vegan

No I didn’t.

There's a stupid amount of whataboutery here. Until one of the diners comes forward and gives their version of the story it's all a bit pointless. Has that happened? So far we've had the restaurant's side. Not a surprise is it that they would exercise some damage limitation.

The campaign against the restaurant (sans the death threats of course - if they actually happened) is still justified though IMO purely on the basis that the restaurant/chef doesn't seem to have a lot of respect for diners with specific dietary requirements. Far easier to just put a sign up saying 'no vegans' 🙂

**** me didn't realize that you could get that ripped from a bit of yoga or pilates.

Point missed though drac argues the chef can assume they are vegan

No I didn’t.

If the diner agrees to make an all-vegan menu, the cheif will expect them to be vegan

Up there you did.

No, I plagiarised another post.

If you want to quote the rest of my post you will see that I said the chef may expect someone ordering from the none vegan menu not to be vegan.

or

Far easier to just put a sign up saying 'no [b]stupid[/b] vegans'

“No vegans who order off the wrong menu”

No, I plagiarised another post.

If you want to quote the rest of my post

What’s clear is that we’re all only guessing what actually happened. It was probably an innocent (enough) mistake. I think these days, most restaurants who go to the effort of labelling their food vegan/veggie/GF etc. are doing so to atttract more customers and as such want to keep those customers happy by supplying what’s promised in the menu labelling. Somebody somewhere, be it the waiter, customer or chef hasn’t been communicating and now everybody is covering his or her arse.

Seems to me that her biggest mistake was being a **** about it and laughing about it on social media. Her chap says she’s mortified? She bloody well should be. Idiot.

I only started reading this page after the OP so missed the original.

Always helpful to read more than one persons reply.

Maybe the request got cheese was just a desperate cry for help?

Why is that photo Drac posted staged with a massive sword, is he off to slay some barbarians with Conan?

If he was a pit girl that’d be sexist like an early 80s hard metal album cover. I’m not entirely sure it’s not some ironic satire.

Why is that photo Drac posted staged with a massive sword, is he off to slay some barbarians with Conan?

“Cougar”

Don’t forget, the only reason why this has blown up is because of what the chef posted on Twitter.. shows a certain lack of respect for their customers whichever way you look at it.

“Cougar”

You mods are all just one amorphous blur to me........

I’d edit my post whilst I still have time, but meh!

Until one of the diners comes forward and gives their version of the story it's all a bit pointless. Has that happened?

Don’t think so, but we did hear from Hope Lyle the “anti-speciesist” founder of the Telford Vegan Group who claims [i]“I have had dairy product put in a meal before and because I have been a vegan so long I ended up in hospital with violent diarrhea and violent stomach cramps.”[/i] 🙄

I have had dairy product put in a meal before and because I have been a vegan so long I ended up in hospital with violent diarrhea and violent stomach cramps.

To have consumed enough lactose to put you in hospital without noticing would require consuming it longside enough booze or drugs that I'd be pretty sure what the real cause of the D&V was- and it wouldn't be the dairy products!

“Cougar”

(or a vegetarian, or something)

**** me didn't realize that you could get that ripped from a bit of yoga or pilates.

Takes a lot of pilates to get that ripped. And vegan steroids. Possibly.

I have had dairy product put in a meal before and because I have been a vegan so long I ended up in hospital with violent diarrhea and violent stomach cramps.

when I made a conscious effort to eat more fibre and fruit last year, after years of not eating enough, I too was farting almost continuously and could shit through the eye of a needle (not a good combination)

It soon passed, as my body adapted. I'm not claiming that fruit and vegetables are unhealthy.

“anti-speciesist”

A vegan who is anti-speciesist. Who'd have thought? I mean, considering anti-speciesism is the single founding principle of veganism and the animal rights movement I don't know why you would be surprised.

As for the diarrhoea, it's not unusual for people to be dairy intolerant.

Yeah I believe it's a myth that lactase persistence can be turned off solely by not consuming lactose. Having being vegan my entire adult life, I have accidentally eaten dairy a handful of times and not been affected.

it's not unusual for people to be dairy intolerant.

Actually, most people worldwide are [i]not[/i] lactase persistent. Sweden has the highest percentage and it's thought that humans living in the far north evolved to tolerate lactose in order to obtain vitamin d in the dark winter months.

Who the **** goes out and orders a margherita who isn't seven?

Having being vegan my entire adult life,

not bored of all that yoga and pilates yet ?

Conan is a Barbarian

Mind.....Blown.....