[Closed] Did I just hear that correctly - "Christ might have had a wife."...

Some old piece of manuscript - yet to be dated - makes reference to Jesus having a wife. It's not really big news as there are other references already. This one is maybe a bit older though.

By "fairy story" are you suggesting that the character called Jesus didn't exist?

He's been smoochin with everybody

Jesus had a bike too

I wonder if it was a christian ceremony.

Jesus had a bike too

SS 29er fatbike, IIRC

yep Mrs Christ to you

Christ had a wife, you say? Pfffft. Some scrawl on an ancient bit of parchment isn't proof of anything.

Oh, wait.....

Jesus had a wife?, If i was the son of God i would've flowered my seed far n' wide, who's going to tell you off?....you're the son of God for christs sake! (see what i did there?).

Nothing that new, if you look in the Gnostic texts plenty of suggestions that the later celebate priesthood might not be that acurate a reflection of the life of jesus.

If you do the dates born, disappears for decades and then reappears as a preacher.Do you really think he led a completely celebate life? or maybe he lived as his Jewish peers did for most of his life.

Just to clarify, i do think there was a bloke called jesus and he was a good story teller, i just don't believe he was the son of god or any of that crap.

As a 30-something year old Jew of the period, it would have been almost unthinkable for him [i]not[/i] to have been married but this doesn't fit with the accepted Christian theology.

he was on good terms with the sex workers of the period, purely platonic i'm sure

He certainly did. Sawed her in half and everything after the "water into wine" skit.

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For the time it would have been stranger to have been unmarried
the Holy blood and the Holy grail claims he was married
I think it is certainly possible as he was not the son of god so he probably did get married.
We will never know for certain though and frankly i dont care as the bible is still bobbins [ largely though the New testament is pretty good in general]

They have found Roman records that refer to a character called "Jesus", who was considered a trouble maker. I think there is little doubt that the person existed; it's quite a leap to go from a name in a manuscript to the son of a mythical god, though.

Oh, and as others have said: I think it would be more shocking if he wasn't married, given the culture he was brought up in.

Courtesy of Bikeradar, here's a link to the BBC website story:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19645273

The quote from Pastor Jim West is just marvellous:

"A statement on a papyrus fragment isn't proof of anything. It's nothing more than a statement 'in thin air', without substantial context."

PS the bible is the word of gaaaaaaaaaawd!

it's quite a leap to go from a name in a manuscript to the son of a mythical god, though.

Conspiracy theorists would find that pretty straightforward, nuff nonsense written about it

anyway, Peter took "Christianity" and remodelled it into some sort of scared-of-women roman religion thing.

Thought it was Saint Paul who was the mysoginist?

aye, maybe, `I knew it began with "P"

SS 29er fatbike, IIRC

job psalm 113 part 2--- dub version, mixed by prince jammy

They have found Roman records that refer to a character called "Jesus"

Isn't that a bit like saying we've found a 21st century manuscript saying there was a character called Dave?

Did Jesus have his own TV channel?

Yes, Paul took a little-known Jewish sect and turned it into a global brand that still pulls in the punters to this day.

Early Christian thinking was so varied & diverse that it needed to be 'standardised' to make it suitable to be the official religion of the Roman Empire. Some of the original message probably got lost during this process (? including the fact that Jesus was married).

Isn't that a bit like saying we've found a 21st century manuscript saying there was a character called Dave?

Pretty much. My memory may have altered things a little, but I found this:

[url= http://www.bandoli.no/historicalrecords.htm ]"Evidence"[/url]

Cougar Not really I think the poster means we have independent Roman records that suggest jesus was real[ ie the religion, had followers, was worshipped, died at the had of Pontius etc] rather than just someone called jesus once lived
Some of the criticisms seem a tad unfair tbh and the conclusion is just someone who has decided whatever the evidence

In view of the evidence the only honest conclusion is that the Gospel's Jesus never existed.

Pretty much most of the history of that time [ as much was oral tradition is just heresay] and the same goes for early British history such as king Arthur and druidhs in general etc.

Evidence for 200 years ago will not really be of sufficient standard for a court case but that alone does not mean it is also untrure
[url= http://www.sowhataboutjesus.com/existed.php ]same evidence different spin[/url]

That's why I put evidence in the quotation marks, as it doesn't really prove anything, it's just the type of information that I remember regarding the existence of a real character at the time. However, as you say, hearsay is pretty much all the evidence that exists: Couple that with a good game of Chinese whispers and you have the gospels.

[quote=Junkyard ] and the same goes for early British history such as king Arthur and druidhs in general etc.
Oi!

I think the poster means we have independent Roman records that suggest jesus was real

If that's true, it's way bigger news than whether he was married or not.

If that's true, it's way bigger news than whether he was married or not.

No it's not: Jesus was a very common name in that region at the time and, as I said, it's quite a leap to go from a trouble maker to the son of god. However, that link I posted suggests that a character referred to as "christ" was known to the Roman officials around the time Jesus was supposed have existed.

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Academics are reassessing how Jesus may have lived, after discovering an early text book in a school in Bermondsey.
Depicting Christ with heavy-framed glasses and a moustache similar to Hitler’s, the father of Christianity is also revealed to have borne a penis on his forehead ‘of generous proportion’.

[url= http://newsthump.com/2012/09/20/early-textbook-reveals-jesus-had-glasses-moustache-penis-on-forehead/#ixzz273JSZdWt ]More on the reverlations [/url]
😉

The biggest story ever in the history of the world and human kind and there is still no real provable evidence any of it actually happened and millions still believe it.

Amazing scam this christianity stuff. Seriously. If it actually happened we would have hard evidence a bit like everything else. Things that weren't made up that it is.

I heard he also drove around town on a Yamaha

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legend - Member

Holy chart and stuff

woooooooooooooahhhh

that is a kerazy coincidence..!!

God is going to be LIVID when he finds out.. this makes him look a right ****..

it's kind of normal though I think.. My son has the same birthday as his Uncle so I guess that sort of thing happens with gods and that too innit..

He was just a naughty boy.

I tend to treat folk who say they believe in God in a similar fashion to how i treat folk of a right wing persuasion, smile sweetly at them till i begin to formulate a cohesive argument then realise i don't want to appear nasty or upset them so i look at my imaginary watch on my left wrist exclaim - "God!..... Is that the time? - got to go" and walk away or just turn round and carry on as usual., Works great in the pub with drunken right-wingers as they just stand there for ages expecting you to turn back round - they're quite easy to confuse. I've never really met a God-believer in the pub though and i've not been to church since Primary 2 (1978) and decided it wasn't for me so i walked out and went home to sit on the doorstep till my mum came home from work, she didn't mind, "It's all bloody nonsense" as she told the headmaster the next day, and she still reminds me of my rebellious streak 34yrs later.......that's a lie bout church actually, i've been for weddings n' funerals but now't else and when i pop my clogs my body's signed over to medical science and they can have fun wi it.

Dear Leader treats all equally and fairly ... they are all maggots. Yes, maggots!

Yes, Dear Leader steps on them and squashes them like melons.

Follow the wisdoms of Dear Leader or else ...

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legend - Member

Given that it's widely accepted amongst the theists that Jesus wasn't actually born on 25/12/. does that mean we can similarly dismiss the rest of that pretty picture as tosh too?

I heard he also drove around town on a Yamaha

Didn't he also do a skid and hit a kid?

Just who was holding such information
and why take so long to make public !

Cougar - Member
Given that it's widely accepted amongst the theists that Jesus wasn't actually born on 25/12/. does that mean we can similarly dismiss the rest of that pretty picture as tosh too?

Do whatever you want bud, but surely that means you'll have to dismiss all the JC "facts"?

The Big Q-- would he have worn a helmet?

Its a bit like finding out who Lukes father was in the later movie. Shocking !

and I give you the words of Mike Skinner of the Streets
That's the religion I live by! 😉

"Alleged Legends"

Some people live their lives by a little red book
The points for right lying out and guides them good
They never really mimic every word by eye
'Cuz if they did they'd be in a whole world of strife
The book's quite old school, but then it was tough
It contains some quite experimental justice
The thinking people are thinking that without this book
That without these verses we'd pillage and murder but,
Following this red book word for word
Leads you to actually pillage and murder
Could it be so what we think to be right,
Is simply the opinion that survived?

Do what you think's right, and you will feel alright
'Cuz when you're bad you will feel sad
That's the religion I live by

There's a bloke in the book who made everything
He knows every individual and every trick in them
Way above emotion, never getting stressed
But when men choose against him, gets jealous
People fight for him in crippling wars
But since he has the power of infinite awe
We're merely itching on futilities floor
Should we really be needing to assist him at all?
If he loves us all, knowing all we think
Should he only like people with faith in him?
Given I can't control what I truly believe,
Can I be forgiven for only believing who I see?

Do what you think's right, and you will feel alright
'Cuz when you're bad you will feel sad
That's the religion I live by
Do what you think's right, and you will feel alright
'Cuz when you're bad you will feel sad
That's the religion I live by

Could it be time to avoid this bush?
So we wouldn't be blind when joining up coulds
Could we see both sides of the coin for the good?
Breed less strife on our voyage for good?
Getting threatened by men with questions
We'll never get anywhere rejecting evidence
Could we test everything instead of betting,
On alleged legends?
If we teach that it's right to blindly believe
If we reach to the sky to define our meaning
Well I agree what's right will keep driving people to fight with people

Do what you think's right, and you will feel alright
'Cuz when you're bad you will feel sad
That's the religion I live by

Didn't think this was new news...???

Wasn't there was a bit of a fuss a few years ago about Mary Magdalene, The Last Supper and stuff like that...

You've been where?

Pontius Pilate, crucifixion, rising from the dead? My mother told me it was a mistake to marry a carpenter, always out on the lash she said. 12 apostles? 12 bloody drunks more like.

And you've not fixed the cupboards in the kitchen yet...

Shaun Ryder had it

[i]He never a sad man
Or so call mean bad man
Or that’s just down to the strain
Well he hand out fish man
With his centred parted sun tan
Then cut all the lame

Who got the biggest
Who got the biggest
Who got the richest brain
Jesus was a black man
No Jesus was Batman
No, no, no, no, ****
That was Bruce Wayne

Don’t talk to me about heroes
Most of these men sing like Surfs
Don’t talk to me about your big big heroes
Most of these men sing like surfs[/i]

Wasn't there was a bit of a fuss a few years ago about Mary Magdalene, The Last Supper and stuff like that...

Are you thinking of that book/film by Dan Brown ?

Ah, the first religion thread of Christmas and it's only September 🙂
Starts humming carols

Where once were men are now but sheep

-a fiction and far cry

From planet earth's proud animal

-who would be you and I.

Alas, our forebears drank the cup of poisoned alibi

And made excuses far and wide,

and made God in the sky.

This boogaloo's now round the world

-bad trips for everyone.

No more the man of paradise

or the Celt of Albion.

They queue like burning moths to spread the all-time vicious lie.

You christians destroyed our tribe

-I'll fight you till I die.

And you can cut me down for what I said

But goodness lives where God is dead.

The history of religion is the history of the State

Incestuous exploiters of a catalogue of hate.

The man of peace was over-run by armies of the "Lord"

Who signed their names to any war

and sang to praise the sword.

The mission heads for outer space

the voices ring and swell

With aeons of self-righteousness

the senseless echoes knell

The words get much more meaningless

-even plainer to tell

That those who would pronounce this God

are those who make this hell.

And you can cut me down for what I said

But goodness lives where God is dead.

LOVE IS THE great triumph over christianity.

She made a fool of silly priests. She mocked authority.

She filled her bed with happiness.She gripped his loins for joy

And felt ecstatic agonies and screamed the sweetest cry.

Her children are the legacy of failure to be chained

An everasting mutiny of flowers where it rained.

They rise out of oppression

They speak with one accord.

The fountains breath- the spirit lives-

The future rests assured.

And to say that God is dead presupposes that

he was at some time alive.

Ooooo what a young fool I am

Whatever he was, the gospels make Jesus out to be a real old bleeding heart lefty, which is always worth reminding the religious-right-moral-high-ground-dwellers. (my homphobic party-whip local Conservative MP for starters) 😀

Are you thinking of that book/film by Dan Brown ?

Not specifically - but it was all part of the discussion and media coverage sparked by a few books that were around at the time...

i think the mary mags stuff was well discussed long before dan brown innexplicably
scored a hit with davinci code

as for the jesus stuff, im sure he geniunely was a revolutionary cult leader and as such bet he shagged loads of birds!

im willing to bet that someone will track down his descendents one day if they can find some dna from his toothbrush or something

Can we change it to "Christ on a Wife"? or is the whole point of that expression that Jebus would be unlikely to around at the time of the modern pedal cycle.

I wanted to register myself as " JC Joinery-- est over 2,000 years "-

Never mind Jesus's wife(or wives), what about his children?
Bet they had a tough time in school
"My dad was called Brian ,honest he wasn't the Messiah"

He didn't die on the cross (after all he was only up there for a few hours and it usually takes a couple of days to see you off), but he was looked after by his mate Joseph who hid him till his hands healed. Then he went back to his Buddhist home in Kashmir (where he'd been from the age of 11 till hge was 30) did a bit of preaching & stuff until he died in his eighties. You can go and see his tomb in Srinigar, Kashmir if you don't believe it.

Don't know what the story is,as said it would have been stranger to not be married. Priests have been allowed to marry for longer of the Christian period than not. Second Lateran Council (1139) outlawed hunka-chunka,and that was because some of them were a bit too eager to spread the err....seed... of christianity. Usual; somebody always spoils it for EVERYBODY else...

Given that it's widely accepted amongst the theists that Jesus wasn't actually born on 25/12/. does that mean we can similarly dismiss the rest of that pretty picture as tosh too

Yep. The date was probably selected for the same reason - it corresponded to an existing festival (winter solstice?)

Married ?

If modern Christian men of stature are anything to go by then wouldn't he be gay or a paedo?

It possible does say wife...but what did he mean by that?

wife (n.)
O.E. wif "woman," from P.Gmc. *wiban (cf. O.S., O.Fris. wif, O.N. vif, Dan., Swed. viv, M.Du., Du. wijf, O.H.G. wib, Ger. Weib), of uncertain origin. Du. wijf now means, in slang, "girl, babe," having softened somewhat from earlier sense of "bitch."

Some proposed PIE roots include *weip- "to twist, turn, wrap," perhaps with sense of "veiled person" (see vibrate); or *ghwibh-, a proposed root meaning "shame," also "pudenda," but the only examples of it are wife and Tocharian (a lost IE language of central Asia) kwipe, kip "female pudenda."

The modern sense of "female spouse" began as a specialized sense in Old English; the general sense of "woman" is preserved in midwife, old wives' tale, etc. Middle English sense of "mistress of a household" survives in housewife; and later restricted sense of "tradeswoman of humble rank" in fishwife. Wife-swapping is attested from 1954.

FYI, I'm an athiest married to a catholic...not sure why that's relevant, but thought say anyway.

legend - Member

Holy chart and stuff

Tough game of Top Trumps that one. Reckon i'd go with Dionysus as the star card for his double-hard status (king of kings, alpha and omega), but if you're not picking category he'd be undone by not having a crew to back him.

McHamish - Member

It possible does say wife...but what did he mean by that?

Er, "wife" is the english translation, it doesn't actually say "wife"- it's coptic. So the english etymology isn't relevant.

Er...My point was, what ever is said in the text, did he mean 'wife' in it's modern context. As some may be aware, the press like to present things in such a way that papers sell etc.

Er...I wasn't suggesting that it actually said wife.

Er.......

Actual Laugh Out Loud at spasmic gherkin 😆

My point was, what ever is said in the text, did he mean 'wife' in it's modern context

Obviously not, the author had no idea what the concept of wife would be 2000 years in the future on a European island now did he?

Obviously not, the author had no idea what the concept of wife would be 2000 years in the future on a European island now did he?

Ok, i'll reword my comment.

What ever is said in the text, does the Coptic word for wife bear any resemblance to what the Engligh word 'wife' means in it's modern context?