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You couldn't make it up:
Abbott-Thompson is accused of spitting in the face of one officer as well as punching him, and then attempting to hit a second officer whose thumb he allegedly then bit.
He's appearing in court in February - by which time DA could well be Home Secretary. #awkward
Stupid kid.
Private school education! Vive la revolution.
Convenient.
Not the first HS offspring to get into trouble.
Recall the run of odd newspaper layouts - around 2001 ? where they'd report on a prominent politician's son being held for drug possession, then randomly mention Jack Straw in a neighbouring column.
Kid... He's 28, he's a fully grown adult.. Spitting and biting should be a jail sentence. Goea to show a posh education doesn't bring any class, but a politician mother brings you self entitlement.. I hope they throw the book at him... Literally.
28?
Ohh, ok.. Stupid Adult.
It’s the parents I blame...
He'll have to up his game if he has royal aspirations.
A lot of people here happy to condemn without having all the facts.
Usually when I hear that a young black man has assaulted police officers I view it with some scepticism.
easily +1
Easily plus another, especially when the Met is involved. It's a wonder the lad didn't fall down the stairs.
Priceless.
Shades of the Trump visit. All the Tories crossing their fingers for 48 hours hoping he'd keep his mouth shut, and breathing a massive sign of relief when he safely took off for home without having torpedoed their campaign. Momentum must be the same, sitting around thinking "All we need is Abbot to keep her head down a for a while and we've got a good crack at this." Abbot: Hold my beer.
Recall the run of odd newspaper layouts – around 2001 ? where they’d report on a prominent politician’s son being held for drug possession, then randomly mention Jack Straw in a neighbouring column.
I remember at the time a newsreader ending his report by saying "I wonder what the Home Sec will think about that." I was young and naive and didn't spot the hint. When the identity came out I had a forehead slapping moment. 🙂
It’s the parents I blame…
😀
Apparently she offered to pay the cop 3 months wages and wrote a cheque for forty quid
Hang on that Mirror link suggests "Diane Abbott heckled police officers".
He's got a long way to go before he beats mark Thatchers rap sheet.
Cambridge law graduate James Adam Abbott-Thompson, 28, allegedly assaulted the two PCs on Friday afternoon when he went to the government department to visit a member of staff, a court heard.
Hmm. Young black man trying to get into a government department, scuffle ensues. I would bet there's some sort of provocation involved. You guys should try being black some time. After all, you don't get to be a Cambridge law graduate by being a delinquent... something else most of us don't know much about.
You guys should try being black some time
You are Justin Trudeau and I claim my 5CAD
Usually when I hear that a young black man has assaulted police officers I view it with some scepticism.
He's an upper class Cambridge graduate lawyer with five years of FO service behind him & pushing thirty. The Police attended in response to a call. I suspect the public school demeanour and expensive suit will have been a bit more noticeable than his skin.
We'll have to wait to see what happened but given how it unfolded there will be plenty of witnesses so the truth will out.
Another easily + 1 here too.
Yippee somebody from the political party I don't support's son got in trouble with the law. Hope he goes to jail forever because I don't like his mum!
Hope he goes to jail forever because I don’t like his mum!
She's achieved a huge amount in her life, she's dedicated her life to public service (in government and opposition) and she's had a pretty credible media career. Plus Cambridge graduate plus first black woman MP.
You might not like her but she will go down in history on the last count alone and the rest is more than you or I have ever done.
And yet you started this thread.
Flashy piles in with all the glee of someone watching a debagging in the common room........
Usually when I hear that a young black man has assaulted police officers I view it with some scepticism.
But in my experience government departments especially those in London have a really diverse work force so why would an ex-employee experience this?
Two women are killed a week by their ex or current partner usually after a long history of harrassment including at their workplace.
Diane Abbott's son is an adult with a privileged, successful upbringing.If he's in the wrong then his mother should quite rightly condemn his behaviour.
Lets wait for the facts.
And yet you started this thread.
That doesn't mean I have to tolerate personal attacks on someone who's endured far more than their fair share of personal abuse.
Yeah, I'm sure you had her best interests at heart.
Or was it yours?
Two women are killed a week by their ex or current partner usually after a long history of harrassment including at their workplace.
I have a friend who's ex stalked her at work. It's certainly one possibility.
Lets wait for the facts.
Yes... ...and while we're waiting let's speculate wildly on STW. 🙂
But in my experience government departments especially those in London have a really diverse work force
It's true - one of Directer Generals in my department didn't even go to public school 😉
OOB I was doing an impression of the type of bell end who would be excited about this news. Forgot the winky face.
the truth will out.
From the Standard article:
"until a trial at City of London magistrates court"
So unlikely to see the truth. We never got the truth in plebgate before grown up judges, unlikely to get it at the magistrates.
We’ll have to wait to see what happened but given how it unfolded there will be plenty of witnesses so the truth will out.
From the Standard article:
“until a trial at City of London magistrates court”
So unlikely to see the truth. We never got the truth in plebgate before grown up judges, unlikely to get it at the magistrates.
Plus as soon as the election is over he can plead guilty without embarrasing Labour in which case there will be no public exposure of what happened.
...but even without exposure in a court with plenty of witnesses the truth will still creep out IMHO. Or at least several versions of the truth. It's entirely possible Abbott-Thompson might give his side of the story as well - especially if he feels hard done by.
You might not like her but she will go down in history on the last count alone
Did you deliberately mention Dianne abbott and the word count in the same sentence? This is what she will go down in history for 😂
You might not like her but she will go down in history on the last count alone
Did you deliberately mention Dianne abbott and the word count in the same sentence?
😀 Good one...
...but I stand by what I said.
until a trial at City of London magistrates court”
Did some work in the basement there last year, fascinating place regret not taking any photos a real victorianas wet dream
Good one…
…but I stand by what I said
I bet a big percentage of voters haven't even got a clue she was the first female black mp! I'd put money on more people remembering her for all the stupid things that have come out of her mouth over the years, which lets face it is a hell of a lot 😉
She always sounds totally incompetent in interviews and whenever somebody challenges her on anything just changes the subject. I don't know how anybody could ever vote for her, she's an utter joke.
Easily - 1
She always sounds totally incompetent in interviews and whenever somebody challenges her on anything just changes the subject
Er, she’s a politician. This describes just about every single one of them I’ve heard speak.
She seems to have been rather conspicuous in her absence over the last few weeks in the lead up to the election, I wonder why that is
She's on the Mogg Protocol.
He’s got a long way to go before he beats mark Thatchers rap sheet.
funny, isn't it. Son of Labour politician - minor skirmish, the tabloids are all over it.
Son of a Tory politician: blags a few million quid in offshore cash and Belgravia houses out of arms deals with mummy's government, funds a coup attempt in Africa, gets a knighthood.
You have to hand it to the Tories...
Sounds like he's mentally ill:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/01/diane-abbotts-son-appears-court-assault-charges/
I know the cps/police know what they're doing but if it's accepted he's mentally ill is there any point in prosecuting him for stuff he does while he's mentally ill?
@outofbreath initially i thought yes there is a point but the harder I think about it, I cant see what it would achieve.
is there any point in prosecuting him for stuff he does while he’s mentally ill
Well from the Police point of view it's a good way to boost the statistics. And the general public have a reasonable expectation that society should protect them from physical violence.
Perhaps we should be asking why there are no other options and why the care for the mentally ill is so atrocious that the Police are left picking up the pieces.
I know the cps/police know what they’re doing but if it’s accepted he’s mentally ill is there any point in prosecuting him for stuff he does while he’s mentally ill?
That is what the courts will decide.
That is what the courts will decide.
Not really. There's a public interest test as part of the charging decision but once prosecuted the court has to convict if the charges are proved (murder excepted). It could then hand down an absolute discharge which would be a good indication.
Obviously different rules apply if your name is Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.
All the article says is he was being treated for mental health issues at the time of most of the offences.
That could mean anything from mildly depressed to full on schizophrenic as far as I'm concerned so I think I'd want to know what it was before making up my mind up.
As above though the courts will have that information so I'm sure they can decide based on that.
All the article says is he was being treated for mental health issues at the time of most of the offences.
That could mean anything from mildly depressed to full on schizophrenic as far as I’m concerned so I think I’d want to know what it was before making up my mind up.
As above though the courts will have that information so I’m sure they can decide based on that.
Good point.
I know the cps/police know what they’re doing but if it’s accepted he’s mentally ill is there any point in prosecuting him for stuff he does while he’s mentally ill?
If he is using that as sole defence, then that’s a route with finite consequences. One he may regret later in life.
Did you deliberately mention Dianne abbott and the word count in the same sentence? This is what she will go down in history for 😂
Yeah - odd that. When the black lady gets her sums wrong it's remembered forever. When the white man (Philip Hammond, for example) gets the cost of HS2 wrong by 20 billion quid, nobody can recall it the next day.
Not really. There’s a public interest test as part of the charging decision but once prosecuted the court has to convict if the charges are proved
There's an IF there, which is why there's a court with a jury rather than just someone rubber stamping a CPS decision.
When the black lady gets her sums wrong it’s remembered forever.
I'm not sure what her skin colour has to do with being bloody awful with numbers.
It's likely she's just beyond incompetent; the prejudice is all yours.
I’m not sure what her skin colour has to do with being bloody awful with numbers.
It’s likely she’s just beyond incompetent; the prejudice is all yours.
Maybe. What reason do you propose for the difference in approch to her compared with Hammond?
Abbott is not dim. got a degree from a top uni. She was a recently diagnosed diabetic and her blood sugars where all over the place in that interview causing confusion
there is no doubt at all that the slagging of Abbott is based on racism
Having no doubt about something in your own mind doesn't actually make it a fact.
And some of the people who think they are not racist might actually be racist!
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Perhaps we should be asking why there are no other options and why the care for the mentally ill is so atrocious that the Police are left picking up the pieces.
I agree that mental health care services needs more funding. However, the assertion that Police are left picking up the pieces is an ill informed statement; conversely it is the Police who use mental health as a way of not becoming involved.
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there is no doubt at all that the slagging of Abbott is based on racism
There is also no doubt that you know a lot less than you think - which is also not based on racism.
Diane Abbot received 45% of all reported abusive tweets sent to female MPs in the runup to the 2017 election- 10 times that of the number received by the next highest. One in ten of 140000 tweets analysed that mentioned her was abusive. On average, black and asian female MPs receive 35% more abuse than white female MPs even when removing her from the total.
I'm sure none of that has anything to do with racism though, it's all because she's incompetent. Especially the letters with swastikas and pictures of monkeys.
Does a white man receive the same slagging off for making mistakes while ill? Obviously not as we can see from the treatment of Hammond for just one tiny example.
Its so obviously racist that if you cannot see it then you really need to question why not.
However, the assertion that Police are left picking up the pieces is an ill informed statement
It really isn’t. Mental health services are pretty poor so police, ambulance and emergency departments get left to pick up the pieces.
And a hearty 'well done' to the OP as well.
Nice to see you starting 2020 with the same level of class you demonstrated throughout 2019.
Well to be fair he created the thread in 2019.
I know. 🙂
He’s an upper class Cambridge graduate lawyer with five years of FO service behind him & pushing thirty. The Police attended in response to a call. I suspect the public school demeanour and expensive suit will have been a bit more noticeable than his skin.
I don’t think so. Ever tried being young and black and seeing which aspect of you is noticed the most? Clue: it’s not your public school demeanour and expensive suit...
She always sounds totally incompetent in interviews and whenever somebody challenges her on anything just changes the subject. I don’t know how anybody could ever vote for her, she’s an utter joke.
Sounds like description of BJ, and he’s just won a hefty majority...
Does a white man receive the same slagging off for making mistakes while ill? Obviously not as we can see from the treatment of Hammond for just one tiny example.
Hammond isn't making mistakes; he's lying. He is a Conservative if you need to confirm this.
Abbot on the other hand is an unapologetic hypocrite and useless with numbers. If you don't know a fact admit it, don't make up numbers as it will haunt you forever. Low blood sugar? I remember that excuse; gave it the contempt it deserved.
Black, white or purple in colour is not the problem. Neither is her gender, smell or whether she is left handed.
It's her credibility, her integrity and the fact she is Jezza's no.1 ally that makes her a figure of ridicule.
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Mental health services are pretty poor so police, ambulance and emergency departments get left to pick up the pieces
What experience are you speaking from?
What experience are you speaking from?
30 years of working in front line healthcare, working alongside police and mental health nursing.
Sometimes one just wishes one hadn’t asked the question.
the fact she is Jezza’s no.1 ally that makes her a figure of ridicule.
So its just lucky that she's a black woman too?
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What experience are you speaking from?
30 years of working in front line healthcare, working alongside police and mental health nursing
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That sounds like you speak from experience. But care to identify in what role?
It is easy to have a bias if you occupy a position at a level you do not see the intricate workings.
As a black woman she's obviously a target for racists. But swastikas and monkey pictures represent a tiny proportion of the overall criticism she gets. Simply because the people who would send them are a tiny minority of the population. Mostly she's criticised for her competence and the policies she supports. She'd be criticised for those regardless of race or gender. Perhaps she gets so much stick because she actually is the most incompetent senior politician in office at the moment.
"Perhaps she gets so much stick because she actually is the most incompetent senior politician in office at the moment."
It's almost as if you had never heard of Boris Johnson!
I can confirm what Drac says, although from a slightly different perspective.
For example:-
- local A&E dept (small rural hospital) locking the door to stop us taking in a woman who had been threatening suicide, because it was the third time that week and there was nothing they could do.
- nearest psychiatric unit (70 miles away) regularly take 24hrs to come and retrieve people detained under MH legislation, meaning they spend all that time in a police cell as a ‘place of safety’, which is bordering on unlawful.
I don’t blame any particular individuals for these things, but the system fails massively, to the detriment of both MH patients, and the wider public whose emergency services are unable to get on with the rest of their work.
Whilst I respect paramedics and ambulance drivers which I assume Drac is.
However their job is responding to emergencies and transporting patients, they Are not involved much more than that.
My initial point was in response to whether the person would be prosecuted because of a mental health concern; which typically means no once Police identify mental health issues ... they typically contact MH services to pick up.
ambulance drivers
However their job is responding to emergencies and transporting patients, they Are not involved much more than that.
FFS!
All depends on the particular MH issue mooman.
However their job is responding to emergencies and transporting patients, they Are not involved much more than that.
A modern paramedic at the ready to meet the transportational needs of the public.
The difficulty is identifying what is behavioural and what is a mental disorder. It is my opinion - that the Police are quick to identify the nature of an incident as mental health .. even when psychiatrists will explain it is a behavioural presentation. Hence why hospitals may take the extreme measure of locking doors, which is likely a position of making the Police claim responsibility instead of dumping it (excuse the language) onto health.
Maybe MH services work different with Drac - but MH hospitals where I work have their own transport when doing MHA assessments to Section people; they will not use standard ambulances from general hospitals. As said I got a lot of respect for ambulance drivers like Drac - but they are at a level where they do not see the more intricate processes involved.