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not sure why Kramer would have answered the phone in the brothel though?
cos it was 1983. Answering the phone was still a novelty cos you didn't get many calls/any cold callers
Training no radio no mobile his handlers know where he is so it could be for him , ringing phone will draw someone to it who may discover him and the others so answer it silently friend ids self or if hostile just cut the call and leave off the hook.
This was my thinking too...
I maybe missed it somewhere but what's up with his East German GF being involved in trying to get him to co-operate?
I maybe missed it somewhere but what's up with his East German GF being involved in trying to get him to co-operate?
She (Annette) went to see Schweppensette at the end of one episode to report (Thomas?) for selling illegal books. I'm assuming thats when Annette found out more about Martin/Moritz mission. And Schweppensette is now controling her with promises of apartments & cars.
On car comments what was the search for a Lada door about?
I think the Lada thing was about the Russian guy who took over the office being driven around in a battered Lada. I think they wanted to show that they look after their Russian cousins. Probably just a side thing to make us remember that East Germany was a fairly backward place to be.
Massive continuity error this week, (I've just watched it on catch up) was General Edel's gardener with a mower which had both an electric cable and 2 stroke soundtrack.
Still feeling bad for Linda.
well spotted, I missed that one.
Anyone else pick up on a suggestion that Schweppensette could be Martin/Moritz missing father?
Anyone else pick up on a suggestion that Schweppensette could be Martin/Moritz missing father?
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@alpin the [url= http://http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/feb/07/deutschland-83-recap-episode-six-brandy-station ]guardian review[/url] has the detail:
Schweppenstette also found time to ensure that Annett was committed to the socialist cause and give Martin a quick talking to. That conversation – “You don’t understand me” “You don’t understand me either” – was one of the best things about the episode; a tense five minutes in which Martin admitted to his father issues while Schweppenstette calmly remarked: “My children didn’t see much of me but they didn’t miss me either.” It also raised the possibility that Walter is Martin’s absent father, a possibility only strengthened by the scene of him watching Ingrid in hospital. I’m not sure how I’d feel about that as a plot development: on the one hand, it’s a little too convenient but on the other there’s something delicious about the idea of the fanatical Schweppenstette as Martin’s father
I really enjoy the Guardian recap and all the comments - almost as good as the programme itself!
How the ell did he get out of the base?!
The Generals daughter is getting hotter and hotter 8)
Wow.
An Italian Job of an ending. So many questions....!
That was superb. Excellent stuff all round, even in the Passat turned up again after he'd got out of it!
Brilliant TV, and all the better for subtitles over dubbing.
That was hateful, full of holes, disjointed and badly editted. No flow. It too a good cast, good photography/ props and a Director who cut it wrong in editting. Maybe he was told to 'add mystery'.
I want my few hours back.
I'm in the love it camp, as is the missus, which makes this the first TV we've agreed on since forever
I tend towards the hate, but I did watch all of it. Too many holes.
didn't enjoy the last two, some of the plot was a bit silly. Yvonne and Annette meeting was the best example.
At the end was it Alex or the general that shoots them self?
I loved it. Internet rumours suggest a Deutschland 86 and a Deutschland 89 showing the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Hope there is - quite enjoyed it
I found it annoyingly imperfect. It looked good, basing a story around the Abel Archer 'near miss' was a sound idea but the clunking plot holes, co-incidences and continuity errors marred the experience.
The Generals Daughter is on tour with a rock band for the first time yet ups and leaves the party (and her coach back home) to go and sleep on the couch of a girl she's just met who's going to show her round east Berlin?
The appalling security of an Army base where the front gate is bristling with cameras and barbed wire but theres a wall round the back that's easy to shin up and over?!
The petrol pump incident from last week and using the same tunnels as two different places in the same episode. Oh - and the end of the kidnap plot which resulted in a senior Army Aide shot dead by Police in a brothel with seemingly no fall out. Who covered that up?
The open ending was definitely a set up for another series.
can't work out how the whole Alex Edel kidnap thing seems to have been forgotten about by Jackson.... and why despite their initial enquiries the BND (German secret service) didn't follow up with their work on Edel Jr.
and what is with Kramer being shot in the knocking shop..... "Kramer is dead"... "oh".
and they didn't think that maybe he was working for the East?
the Annett/ Fräulein Edel thing was just far too easy and convenient. so she just walzes off with some random pregnant bird?
I'm starting to lose patience with it, tbh. lots of leaps of faith in the plot line. you can see where things are going before they happen. reminds me of "Tatort", a German crimi/whodunit, that airs most Sundays... 90 minutes of disjointed, easy to predict drama. Germans seem to lap it up.... don't you dare phone anyone on Sunday between 8pm till 10pm...
interestingly, the series was written byby an American woman, which i found a bit odd. I'd hve thought that one of ze Germans had taken it upon themselves to write something similar a while back.
6/10 for the series.... too many leaps/gaps, lazy production (Belgium and Berlin having exactly the same buildings, the tunnels.... etc), random Carlos the Jackel thing that felt like filler and an ending that makes no sense....
Not the strongest ending in my opinion, few to many ‘cant see that would ever happen’ issues, mostly relating to the escape from the base and into the East. The Yvonne kidnap plot was a bit pointless as well, cant see what Schweppensett thought he would get out of it.
They were obviously hoping for a follow on series with the uncertainly of the shot. Overall I have enjoyed the series, some good characterisation and interesting background snippets (Schweppensette Dad dancing) for amusement. It’s also made me research further into some of the historical events covered. Agree a D89 would be a good basis for series 2 rather than just try and pick up where this one finishes. Get Linda Seiler’s long lost twin sister back in it 😉
Still got two episodes to watch here and I agree on the patchy plot but have enjoyed the music, the amosphere and the stylish office interiors, which remind me so much of Hungary when I first started going there about 18 years ago.
Also enjoying the antics of the East Germans and I'm hoping another malevolent regime built on false information fed to it by corrupt top brass will fall in Zimbabwe soon.
At the end was it Alex or the general that shoots them self?
That's kind of the point.
As others have said, I became increasingly frustrated with the number of plot Holes to the point that I was barely watching it towards the end. The final "feature length" episode was in my opinion, a bit shit.
Typical STW critique.
Come on; it was a great series. That's why you all watched the lot.
I was kind of hoping that the paranoia and manipulation of the translation of the contents of the floppy disc would have given us a Threads type ending. I was hoping for mushroom clouds and 700mph winds and all that.
Never mind.
Christ, Anette was ridiculously pretty....
I was kind of hoping that the paranoia and manipulation of the translation of the contents of the floppy disc would have given us a Threads type ending. I was hoping for mushroom clouds and 700mph winds and all that.
Given it was heavily based around [url= http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/02/nato-war-game-nuclear-disaster ]real events[/url] that would have been an unfortunate ending for all of us
Threads still really scares me.
Was anyone streaming this via 4 On Demand?
If so, did the streaming grind to a halt during the advert breaks?
An aspect of this weeks episode that I completely forgot about for 24 hours, as it seemed so utterly inconsequential to what had gone before, and then didn't answer any hanging questions -
The african bloke giving Leonora a passport and a snog - WTF was that bit for?
Ludicrous storyline, but entertaining nonetheless. A bit like Life On Mars with subtitles.
I don't doubt that the Able Archer episode was a closer run thing than a lot of people realise, and it was probably a major factor behind Reagan pursuing glasnost when it became clear what had transpired.
"Unfortunately" the attempt to weave a family soap opera around this episode just made the story absurd. But absurd and entertaining aren't mutually exclusive - witness Take Me Out - the best guilty secret TV in years!
I would probably watch a sequel series.
Also, another vote here for Sonja Gerhardt against Lisa Tomachewsky in Das Crumpet Top Trumps. Although both of them are sehr schon.
Mein Gott.
Disappointing finale but still a great series.
I'm also watching Spin - bit faster of pace but lighter on plot and still very enjoyable.
I enjoyed it. It didn't need a big ending. I know what happened. No WW3, no fall of the wall, life just carried on. Not sure about some of the plot floors that some are complaining about either. Pretty sure it's easier to break out of a military base than in. Loved the idea of Martin fighting his way back home only to find his East girlfriend holding his West girlfriend hostage. They could've made more of that.
I took that as her fleeing the east and embracing the freedom!s of the West.The african bloke giving Leonora a passport and a snog - WTF was that bit for?
I think Leonora's thinking behind the Mozambique thing is that Mozambique is far enough away from Europe should the nuking begin!
Doesn't need a sequel - just watch 'goodbye Lenin' for what happens next 🙂
watch 'goodbye Lenin'
Sound advice! It's well worth a watch. A charming, brilliant film.
+1 to Goodbye Lenin. The Lives of Others is another brilliant film.
Das Leben der Anderen... or Live of Others, is awesome and dark...
Goodbye Lenin - thanks will look that up.
Lives of Others is excellent
We really enjoyed D 83, great to have catch up these days as we watched the last 5 episodes that way.
Apologies if this has been discussed but the song 99 Luftballon especially the German original is all about a war being triggered over Berlin by party balloons. (99 Kreigermeister, Streichenholz und benzin kanister 🙂 ) The link through to D83 storyline and the music in the series was fabulous
If I may make a comparison with London Spy which started strongly and faded this was a real winner
Yes there were loads of plot holes and yes it was pretty ludicrous in places but I really enjoyed it (just finished the end of the last episode eating my lunch). Although you know Martin manages to get the info to them as we never did have that nuclear war, it gets pretty tense at parts.
I also spotted that the knocking shop in Brussels was the same place Martin chased the dude he gave the detonators to. Didn't really ruin it for me.
Just to breathe some life back into this thread
Netflix has now got the German satirical film 'look who's back' on
Absolutely unbelievably brilliant! Both the funniest and at times most disturbing thing I've seen in ages. A real must see!
Noted
^^
Read the book in German (Er ist wieder da) and is probably the only German book that made me laugh out loud....
Watched the film, too. Not as good as the book, but obviously with the added bonus of people's reactions.
Was surprised that there were only two people who took a stand against the parody. (the old German guy and the young (I think) Turkish lad who gave the finger....)
Goodbye Lenin is a great film. I think it's time to watch again.
Thanks for the Netflix recommendation, I will get onto that!
but obviously with the added bonus of people's reactions.
Yes, I thought that those really made it, genuinely fascinating.