[Closed] Depression/suicide etc

I just found this thread via another.

Grum, I've never met you, but on STW you come across as a really good guy, and I always enjoy seeing your pics.

I hope you are feeling well and recovering from your bike crash!

Hey Grum, how's it going?

We may disagree on a few things Grum but you are in my thoughts, I'd be happy to help in anyway you need.

I asked Kimbers to send you TMH's best wishes

Sorry to hijack, but as this thread has got bumped and it might be useful for grum: was just wondering at what point when people ask you how you are you're honest about it? I've admitted to being depressed on here often enough, but then I don't know and have never met most of you lot. Somewhat predictably I'm feeling pretty down at the moment, and as usual responding to the casual social interactions by lying. Does everybody else just go round smiling and pretend? I'm feeling kind of tired of that, but then I also understand that being grumpy isn't a terribly attractive trait and not likely to win me friends (or a female friend on the remote chance such an opportunity ever arose).

Thoughts I suppose prompted by a text in reply to me asking after somebody I'd not quite describe as a mate who is currently injured. I think he has some idea that I'm not happy when he asks how I am, but then I don't want to get all heavy on somebody I don't know very well.

Does everybody else just go round smiling and pretend?

Yes, we do. .......It's not just you.

Does everybody else just go round smiling and pretend?

I'm not pretending. The amount of sertraline I'm on means I literally can't stop smiling. 😀

So do I just respond "yeah I'm OK" to the text, which is what I'm tempted by?

I usually go with something lightweight and flippant....

Them :"How are you?"

Me: "Oh, You know? Every day's an adventure!"

They give a chuckle and move on.

Classic deflection.

Depends, I try to be open/honest with those closer to me or who I think might react OK. A phrase I use is "my mental health hasn't been great" which I hope de-stigmatises it.

But I've spoken to few people about it - whereas it's easier to discuss on here.

Does everybody else just go round smiling and pretend?
Yes, we do. .......It's not just you.

I've become extremely good at hiding it over the years. To the point where one of my wife's closest friends couldn't believe it when she found out I suffered from depression. To be honest it utterly wears me out to put up a front all the time.

I think it's part of the problem - we learn to put a face on which then becomes the default position - and no doubt holds back recovery.

"Does everybody else just go round smiling and pretend?"

To be honest, I've always been a huge advocate for openness around mental health issues, but I feel weird and even embarrassed to admit to having been depressed for years. Even typing it is hard, yet I have no real idea why.

I think I just don't like being a 'sufferer' or a 'victim', and admitting to it. But I am trying hard to be honest and open about it with most people with whom I have more than a passing acquaintance. When it's appropriate, of course; I don't just blurt it out to almost everyone I know!

But in your case, aracer, I probably wouldn't just smile and pretend. cynic-al is right: putting a face on it probably holds us back from overcoming it.

I have my brave face on 80% of my life, I'd say.

Gets very tiresome.

Been on a low dose of Citalopram for over a year now. If people ask me a straight question they get a polite answer, a couple of good mates know to push me for an honest answer.

A new member of the team was shocked to hear I'd needed time off last year and was still on meds "But you're not the type". No, I've just been lying to the world for 30 years too long.

Would love to know if i am acting normal because of the meds or if i could cope without. Scared of finding out I still need them.

Having a not so great week, by the way, thank you for asking. 😉

Does everybody else just go round smiling and pretend?

I think we all do this to some extent, and I guess it can help: if someone is manifestly miserable all the time, some people may want to help, but many others will withdraw from them and their work and social lives and relationships will probably deteriorate, which will make things even worse. 'Faking it to make it' may help people to soldier on through a bad patch to get to a better place.

However, I think that constantly pretending to be happy or content for a long period when the truth is the opposite, is bad for one's mental health. Ultimately, we need to be true to ourselves, and creating and maintaining a major disconnect between our outward persona and how we really feel isolates a person from those around and close to them, and makes it much harder to fix the underlying problems.

Grum, I hope you are feeling better, even with the physical injury and pain you've got now. I am hoping that rather than getting despondent about the accident and enforced lay off, you can look on it with a sense of humour and positivism (rather than think how bad it was, think how much worse the accident might have been and how lucky you were it wasn't worse - I've read that it's that mindset, rather than the actual experiences of our lives, which distinguishes happy/optimistic people from unhappy/pessimistic people).

Would love to know if i am acting normal because of the meds or if i could cope without. Scared of finding out I still need them.

Having a not so great week, by the way, thank you for asking.

I can feel in my gut that I still need them. They are like a thread that keeps me attached to something solid and keeps me from falling downhill. And I can feel when I start peering over the edge, so know that it's the meds that keep me 'safe'.

Funny you should mention your week. Mine's been bad as well. Must be the moon...

[quote=neil the wheel ]I have found it really important to have someone who I can turn to when the bad thoughts are crowding in and say I'm not feeling well.

This is the problem I have - you lot are it when it comes to that. I was thinking about this, and there is somebody I've met fairly recently who I'm having more in depth conversations with than I've had with anybody in a long time, but I guess I'm worried about spoiling that by getting too heavy, and it's not like the opportunity has really cropped up (anxiety, the good old companion to depression creeping in there). I suppose the other thing is that I'm not usually having to act when I'm out with her, so it's not even something I'm thinking about (just to head off any comments from those who've noted the gender, no there is nothing romantic and won't ever be, I'm sure the feeling is mutual on that).

I did actually mention my domestic/romantic situation to a couple of people I kind of know when out getting drunk recently, which is the first time I've ever admitted to that with anybody in real life - but then the topic came up because the others were discussing their love lives and asked about mine and I decided not to lie.

Scared of finding out I still need them

This is something that is very relatable for me. I'm genuinely scared that I don't know who the real me is. When I feel content in the slightest, I think I'm being fake to everyone and myself.

Feeling glad I started this particular line of thought now seeing the responses. I'm also having a shit week, so there's a few of us - as I alluded up there it was thoroughly predictable as I just finished a project which was absorbing me - what's worse is that it was a real success and so finished on a real high, getting lots of positive comments from people, I suspect if it had been a bit of a flop I wouldn't be on such a big downer 🙄

I can feel in my gut that I still need them. They are like a thread that keeps me attached to something solid and keeps me from falling downhill. And I can feel when I start peering over the edge, so know that it's the meds that keep me 'safe'.

I'm in the exact same situation. I was going to start weaning off them a couple of months ago, but glad I didn't. I also worry if I'm still me if that makes sense?

My 2p; I've just finished 8 counselling sessions. At the mid point I posted on here that I didn't know how they would help. Now I seem to be drip feeding myself the solutions.

And that is, I found out a lot about myself, how I act and how I interpret others actions, but I also found out that I have a tendancy to project myself to people in a manner which I believe they want to see me, and not a true projection of myself.

I've started communicating openly, honestly and like me not someone else. And for the most part people have commented that I'm calmer, more balanced and far less stressed. If you don't like me, I'll no longer put up and illusion to get you to do so, and I don't feel the need to impress you.

Don't stress yourself keeping others happy - you build a self perpetuating model of yourself which you in turn are not happy with yet expending lots of mental energy on that false illusion.

Find positive, reasonable, and open non-judgmental people to talk to.
That could be a therapist, or a friend or relative.
I've been going through purgatory (hell would be too strong a word) and decided to talk openly and honestly with my father for the first time this week.
He is naturally very reserved but seems to be more open since retirement. I'm also seeing a therapist who specialises in my particular area of worry.
I had a nervous breakdown 10 years ago and am determined not to repeat the past, but to be open and honest with people I trust, which I didn't do the first time around.

It does depend on who asks as mentioned above. I also think I have a pretty good 'mask'. I am open with people I trust about my mental health and am happy to discuss the topic a lot in general - especially to reduce ignorance, challenge stereotypes and remove stigma.

Most of my life I never even knew I was anxious and depressed. I just really believed that school/life/work/everyone/everything and myself were rubbish. That was incredibly debilitating and led to me walking out of jobs and eventually my career. Mind, I wouldn't go back!

Been looking at this post for the last week; can't help as I keep getting emotional and going to other simpler threads so haven't read everything.
My 'low' self will say go and talk to family, friends, groups , in normal social surroundings without alcohol
My 'high ' self wants to interact with everyone and everything and think that I'm just being a nice guy at the pub/ club and that this day is an experience that I'll never get again.
The problem that I have is girlfriend and very close mate thinks I'm a dick when drunk, but strangers think I'm funny.
I go with the strangers pretending I'm having 'a new experience '
Sorry to dash on your post.

Mark, many people use alcohol as a short-term boost for confidence or self-esteem. You're not alone in that at all. Try not to be too hard on yourself - it's a tough place to be. Going forward looking for a different way to boost self-esteem and confidence will likely be important.

Take care dude and best of luck.

Anyone else having the week from hell?
Just found out my sister and her kids are being made homeless...getting to the point of wishing I could just go to sleep and not wake up for a couple of years.

Hang in badnewz, things will work there way through.

Been a lot on mental health in the media recently. I've been watching the marathon documentary and it's been a bit up and down. Seeing others talk of feeling worthless and the world being better without them bring the back the bad times last year, but I can see how far I have come since.

Hey folks. Had a little involuntary holiday from STW - been following the thread though. Thanks for all the kind/helpful words. I'm glad this has sparked some useful discussion for other peeps too.

Leg and face mostly healed but I broke two metacarpals in my hand pretty well - gonna need wires/plates putting in apparently. Keep getting surgery cancelled which is frustrating cos I've got to photograph a wedding in a couple of weeks and can't even start the healing process yet really.

aracer whereabouts are you? For those asking I'm mostly in Kirkby Lonsdale (near Kendal) at the moment but a move to Leeds is looking on the cards potentially. I'd be well up for meeting up with people but I won't be riding any bikes for a good few weeks. Need to try and stay fit though so if anyone is free for midweek hiking in the Dales/Lakes?

I'm getting some good daily help from the NHS 'crisis team' now. Feeling a little less bleak but a long way to go.

Good luck to everyone else struggling.

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Great to hear from you.

Things are looking up 🙂

I've been there, honestly my kids are probably the only thing that stopped me, I couldn't do that to them.

I'm dealing with a very very bad situation at the moment but I have to be there for them and that is what motivates me to keep on going and sort everything out and not give up.

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Though it might take a while if you're on the Codeine.

LOL@ scotroutes

Good to hear from you Grum. Wiggles, how are things?

Glad to hear you're feeling better mentally if not physically 🙂

[quote=grum ]aracer whereabouts are you?

Way down south from you, Worcester/Malvern area. If I was anywhere near I'd have pinged you for a ride (though I guess that's not on right at the moment!)

Personally I think I'm over my latest downer - it's embarrassingly predictable given I've met up and fun with some folks I really like today. Though in a way it's good predictable, because I know it will make me feel better so it's something I can look forwards to. Not understanding what pushes your buttons is definitely a lot worse.

Cheers folks. Ba-doom-tish scotroutes! That's relatable: I've had all of the codeine. 😳

Ah well aracer yeah that is a way away - if you ever fancy a visit to the Lakes there are spare beds here.

Not understanding what pushes your buttons is definitely a lot worse.

Yeah, sadly I don't think any of us will ever be 'cured', just need to learn to manage it as well as possible.

Forgot to mention - after my bike crash I was driving (didn't know my hand was broken at this point) near my house on a quiet back road I've driven a million times. Was kinda on auto-pilot and not paying attention and was too near the middle of the road - didn't notice a car coming the other way until too late. Swerved to avoid them but clipped them slightly.

Couldn't believe it and totally panicked when I looked round and saw the car on it's side, thought at first it had just clipped my wing mirror. They must have swerved into the hedge and hit a big tree root that was right there and the car flipped over. I totally feared the worst.

I ran over to help and it was a mother with two young girls 7ish in the car on it's side 🙁 - I held the door open and she had to hand the kids to me so I could lift them out of the car, then I helped lift her out. Luckily everyone ok but I was mortified about what could have happened. Mum was surprisingly good about it.

Police came and it seems I have to go to a driving awareness course and no points/prosecution. So so lucky but felt like a piece of shit.

Then stopped at services on the way home and think I had my wallet nicked while waiting for food.

Not really winning at life.

***ity ****....!
Lucky outcome!

mark d - Member
Been looking at this post for the last week; can't help as I keep getting emotional and going to other simpler threads so haven't read everything.
My 'low' self will say go and talk to family, friends, groups , in normal social surroundings without alcohol
My 'high ' self wants to interact with everyone and everything and think that I'm just being a nice guy at the pub/ club and that this day is an experience that I'll never get again.
The problem that I have is girlfriend and very close mate thinks I'm a dick when drunk, but strangers think I'm funny.

Fancy a beer?

Made me think of this... 😉

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“When sorrows come, they come not single spies, but in battalions”.

That accident could have been a lot worse but still for a car to flip over from just being clipped is a bit strange.

It only flipped on it's side not upside down. It is very strange, I couldn't believe it. We weren't going fast either.

There was a perfect little tree root ramp in the hedge just where we collided though. Her car will almost certainly have been written off I would guess but mine is fine really - slight scrapes on the back/side but not even deep and a slight chip out of the plastic on the back of the wing mirror.

Keep thinking about how much worse it could have been. I'm not driving any more (obviously) until the hand is fully healed and my mental state is improved.

I know I am missing the point, but did they clip you as they were on your side of the road? Or both parties a little bit too central?

I would say I was probably near to the middle of the road and they were pretty much on their side of the road but it was a narrow lane. I think what may have more caused them to flip was them swerving sharply into the hedge to try and avoid me rather than the actual impact of us clipping each other but it's hard to say. All a bit of a blur TBH.

Police and the woman were amazingly pleasant about it for some reason :-/

Maybe they have read this thread, and thought you were going through enough as it is?

Heh - dunno not that you would expect any different but think she was grateful I ran straight over to help get her kids out of the car and she could see how mortified I was.

Just reading through all the responses again - made me smile, thanks again everyone. There are genuinely some really lovely people on here. I mean, seemingly even jambalaya is capable of being pleasant sometimes. 🙂

[quote=grum ]Heh - dunno not that you would expect any different but think she was grateful I ran straight over to help get her kids out of the car and she could see how mortified I was.

I think most people are genuinely nice. We get accustomed to expect people to be arses because those make more noise, but actually they're a minority. I'm sure she realised it was just an accident and it was your actions afterwards which defined you rather than your moment of inattention. Just as a little anecdote, I once rolled my car onto a police car! Single track road, mud on surface, I was going too fast downhill, police car coming the other way, I couldn't stop, so steered left up the bank to try and avoid it. Policeman in car was also very nice and friendly about it - rather than having a go he spent his time reassuring me because I was gutted at being so stupid. These things happen, don't beat yourself up.

Hope you get yourself sorted, and I'll take you up on that offer some time.

Heh, funny story! Trying not to beat myself up is my no 1 problem I think. I do it constantly - one of the things that starts to feel unbearable at points. Always overanalyzing everything and thinking of ways I should do/have done things better. Drives me mad.

Cheers aracer.

WRT what people were talking about while I was away, I feel I have to put on a 'mask' when around people which can feel really false and draining. I hate to feel like I'm bringing the mood down or being grumpy/negative around other people so I have to make an effort not to. Sometimes however acting happy can actually make me feel more happy so it's a tricky one to judge sometimes.

But generally at the moment I just find other people stressful/exhausting so I just want to be on my own most of the time - but obviously that's not very healthy/sustainable long-term.

^yes, that's just another symptom of depression. Nothing to worry about!

I spend too much time napping at the weekend. Just exert so much energy pretending to be happy at work that I feel ruined at the weekend. Things are getting slightly better now I'm back out on the bike and FunkmasterJunior is sleeping by himself though.

grum - Member
WRT what people were talking about while I was away, I feel I have to put on a 'mask' when around people which can feel really false and draining. I hate to feel like I'm bringing the mood down or being grumpy/negative around other people so I have to make an effort not to.

Very, very familiar.

And then I feel like people are going to think 'dunno why people say he is depressed, seems fine to me' and think that I'm putting it on when I feel like it, or using it as an excuse, etc...

^^ that's familiar too!

Feeling very low again today. Fourth attempt at getting hand operated on tomorrow, which will no doubt be fun. :-/

Grum, that photo on the S&S thread. Go and look at it. Now.

Take your time.

Just focus on those feelings. The way that day, and that picture, makes you feel.

The sound. You can hear it, can't you? The pow under the edges, then the silence when you stopped.

That silence? Blissful, wasn't it. Box that bliss up and sprinkle it around every day.

Remember also - there's [s]a bunch of asshats you've never met[/s] a load of good folks here who've never met you and we are all, and I mean all, rooting for you.

Now, back to those edges slicing through the pow.....

For me, when I feel unwell it's all about riding it out. Like just holding on when the boat goes into a trough between the waves. For a while as I approach a crisis point the time in the dips gets longer and then as I start to recover, the troughs are shorter and less deep. Sometimes there is a blip and I can feel quite acutely low even as I recover.

I'm not sure where you are or even if it's similar for you, but hang in there. The seas will get smoother.

On the hand surgery front, it mght be worth seeing if they will do shoulder block for surgery. Will possibly leave you feeling less knocked about...

CFH. That is truly brilliant. *Sincerely doffs hat.*

[quote=jamj1974 ]For me, when I feel unwell it's all about riding it out. Like just holding on when the boat goes into a trough between the waves. For a while as I approach a crisis point the time in the dips gets longer and then as I start to recover, the troughs are shorter and less deep.

I think for me I've largely got to the point now where even when I'm in the deepest trough I know I will come out the other side and just have to hang on. As mentioned earlier it also helps knowing what helps get me through and having stuff in my diary which I know will help me recover so I just have to wait it out a few days if necessary. But then I'm currently feeling OK, so it's easy to write this - I'll try and remember to come on here when I'm next down and see how easy it feels then (TBH I tend to avoid threads like this when I am down as it doesn't tend to help me)!

For me, when I feel unwell it's all about riding it out. Like just holding on when the boat goes into a trough between the waves. For a while as I approach a crisis point the time in the dips gets longer and then as I start to recover, the troughs are shorter and less deep. Sometimes there is a blip and I can feel quite acutely low even as I recover.

That's very much my coping mechanism, my head starts to wander thinking about all the bad things and I get low, I have to concentrate and start thinking about things to look forward to/be thankful for and I can feel myself slowly rising back up just need to concentrate long enough.

Funkmasterp - your comment about being exhausted at the weekend from putting on a front all week suddenly struck a chord. Something I need to keep an eye on. Had the "but your not the type" conversation with a colleague last week. Same day I had the "so how bad is it at the moment" conversation with MrsMC. Anxiety and depression are bad enough without having to keep multiple personalities going as well!

Currently sat in a coffee shop trying to to summon up the motivation to go and face work. And I only do 24 hours a week.

I think many don't expect people who experience depression or any other mental health issue to be high-functioning. I have also been told that I don't seem the 'type'.

I think some of the issue come from a lack of understanding. However an additional observation is that most with depression or anxiety have been supremely strong up to a point and so have often been seen as resilient and as a 'coper'. I think many of us still probably present a face to the world that way and that is one of our 'masks'.

[quote=jamj1974 ]I think many don't expect people who experience depression or any other mental health issue to be high-functioning. I have also been told that I don't seem the 'type'.

It's funny really - I was kind of surprised when my counsellor said that I was high functioning, but then I do still get on with most of life (even if I'm really rubbish at some aspects of it and even the good bits sometimes feel like a struggle). The other thing, at least for me, is that a lot of my reluctance to reveal how I feel to others is the perception that if you're depressed you're incapable of doing anything and always miserable, and despite the world having moved on a bit there is still a lot of stigma. Yet clearly if they've not worked it out already that isn't really an issue - it's not as if it is all an act, I might not be the life and soul of the party, but genuinely am happy a lot of the time when I'm out with other people.

I think many don't expect people who experience depression or any other mental health issue to be high-functioning. I have also been told that I don't seem the 'type'.

A lot of truth in this - a lot of people can 'cope' and by cope I mean perform well at work, but be a mess when they get out. A big problem is these people tend to get pushed harder and harder by themselves, and others thinking they are some kind of cut above who can deal with anything in any quantity.

Couple off from our department at the moment, at least a couple more are borderline.

A big problem is these people tend to get pushed harder and harder by themselves, and others thinking they are some kind of cut above who can deal with anything in any quantity.

So damn true.

CFH - thank you, that was lovely. Find it quite hard to imagine ever doing stuff like that again when I feel like this but definitely helped.

Hand pinned and plated now - feels like its gripped in a vice and hurts like hell. At least it's mending now though.

Well, looks like it's my turn.

Had a bit of a breakdown.
Two weeks off and due to go back to work today.
Didn't make it.
Massive row with my wife which has resulted in me admitting I need help.
Off to the quacks as soon as I can get an appointment, for something, anything.

In a very bad place right now.
Feel utterly worthless.
Less than that.

Despite everyone telling me they love me, I just can't see why they bother.

Not planning on hurting myself or anyone else, but it would be quite nice not to be here today.

Just reread all this and it really helps.
Sorry.

Sorry hear that rusty - im in tge same place, even row with wife ( mine not yours 🙂 ) go quacks and be honest about how are and don't dismiss meds if offered as they help sometimes but discuss all options.
Does work offer any support/ counselling? Ive started some with work but their tight so will need self fund some soon 🙁 I spent last weekend with the worthlessness feeling too but ok this week - suppose just trying point out it does/ can feel better and talking my doc helped a lot.

Thanks for your reply.

Local council are excellent.
My wife is currently using them for exactly the same thing.

I've been so focussed on her getting better I had no idea I was this bad.

Sorry.

Sorry

What for? Don't be!

You sound mirror of me - we've had tough 18 month with bereavements/ failed ivf/ miscarriages and focused so much on others forgot about self. Way I put it is I've run out of cope and need the support now, which is fine.
Time let self be looked after and come first for a while. I'm reading book called Depressive illness - curse of the strong. It's helping put perspective on it for me.
And Yeah, why Sorry? There's nothing wrong with needing help.

Thanks so much for your responses.

I'm supposed to be the strong one.
Always have been.
I help people, it's what I do.
I think that's come back to bite me.

If I don't go to work, I can't contribute financially.
I just don't think I can face that and I'm really scared.

Am about to give my boss a call,.god knows what I'm going to say.

Nobody is supposed be the strong one - seriously have a look at the book I mentioned above, is good.

Depends how supportive work are but mental illness is nothing to hide and I'm always amazed how supportive friends/ colleagues are - and I should know better as I'm a specialist occupational health nurse! :). I'd be open and tell them as easier in long run.

Care Worker.
🙂

Probably time for a new job.
I'm caring for people at work and have been doing the same at home.

Time for something less stressful, let's face it, wherever I end up the money can't be any worse.
But I'm 48 and don't know how to do anything else anymore.

I dont think i know a healthcare worker not looking for a way out, especially at the moment 🙂 The lottery must make millions off the hopeful care staff!Even though this is first I've contributed to this thread despite what put above, reading it all has been a great support.
I think it is easy forget/ dismiss how much emotionally is given in the line of work you do and then reserves for self get depleted, especially if caring outside work too - take time for self and recover. Go 'soul biking' as a mate of mine described a solo bivvy I went on recently -was perfect description. Must trademark that as the next niche 🙂

Thank you.

In a very bad place right now.
Feel utterly worthless.
Less than that.

I've felt like this in the past. I had to leave a job a few years back, as I was spiraling downwards, mainly bought on by the pressure of keeping the job and being able to feed the family.

Mostly when I've felt like that, I've been able to step back and think about the fact I've managed to keep a roof over everyone's head, think about the fact I have some decent friends, and seem to get on well with people, and just generally try to focus on the positive points of my life. Of course, this is very difficult when you're so low, but trying to take stock might help you turn up again.

Apologies if the above sounds a bit preachy, but it has helped me in the past, so I thought I'd pass it on.

I'm supposed to be the strong one.
Always have been.
I help people, it's what I do.
I think that's come back to bite me.

I think that's the same for many who have posted. So don't feel stupid or sorry. You've done amazingly to cope for this long.

If I don't go to work, I can't contribute financially.
I just don't think I can face that and I'm really scared.

That to my knowledge is common too and certainly my experience. A decent employer will give you support until you recover. Whilst I know there is a lot of pressure for care workers now - believe me, with some rest, recuperation and intervention, you will be able to cope again and this will mean you will be able to provide. I know you are scared now, but when you have recovered some strength and resilience - work will be bearable.

Am about to give my boss a call,.god knows what I'm going to say.

Good luck. PM me if you want to talk.

Thanks everyone.

Whilst I know there is a lot of pressure for care workers now - believe me, with some rest, recuperation and intervention, you will be able to cope again

To compensate for the minimum wage increase, they've found another way to screw us by nearly £1000 a year.
That's nearly a tenth of my wage.
They see us a disposable and our years of experience mean nothing.
It's horrible.

I know that when I go back they will have found another way to make what was the best place I've ever worked, a wonderful, happy place into a living hell.

Currently just rereading this thread.
It really helps.