[Closed] Debate round 2

Cleggs looking good again!

Im struggling to listen when the presenter looks like a star wars character - who's he?

Clegg is definitely rattling camerons cage!! Dave's worried!!

Apart from the "bathtime squabble" quip, I reckon Gordo is doing pretty well so far. Cameron is looking rather scared.

More 'I went running with this bloke just back from afghanistan' from Dave

Gordon didnt quite manage to say improvised - imp impr imp.....explosive device - other than that he's doing ok tonight

cameron went for a run with someone yesterday, who said something

clegg comes over much better than the others, broon looks old and out of touch, cameron uber-slime

Clegg still good, Brown a bit better. Cameron still floundering.

The 'ref' is very weak!

Not as bad as Stewart last week, he was truly shite.
Not sure how clegg did on the trident one just then, although Brown came across as properly stroppy

Is it me, or are they all trying to be a bit more in touch e.g. "I went running"..."my kids at bathtime" "I've got solar panels" Slightly cringeworthy IMHO.

which tv channel? I can't find it!

Online, sky or BBC news IIRC

Politics - its theatre but its better than a dictatorship or communism 😉

[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7459669.stm ]watch here[/url]

Bloody disgrace that SKY are so overtly sponsoring it. It's not the 'SKY debate', it's part of a democratic process. Agree that the ref is better than last week, but surely it should be a more neutral broadcaster.

It's politics, not a giant TV ad Murdoch!

FWIW, Brown is doing better this week.

I think Dave just followed through.

Brown is stronger this week ............

......... Dave is looking lost

The bbc link above is much better than the guardian stream btw

cripes, dave just shat himself again re expenses

surely it should be a more neutral broadcaster

Such as....? Erm.

Quite a good point by David about young families saving. Then Gordo dropped a bomb on him...

Anybody who doesn't call it the bbc/sky/itv/ etc etc debate!

Last week's debate wasn't called the ITV Debate, so why should this one be called the Sky Debate?

I think Gordy is winning at the moment, clegg second, and dave a long way back

Brown has done well. It's clearly Brown, followed by Clegg, followed by Cameron.

Any way you look at it, Cameron has come in last place in all of the debates so far. Didn't see that one coming. He was meant to be the most modern, TV friendly of any of them.

solarider - its the exposure on his policies and on his smarmyness.

CFH - like the BBC?

I thought the bbc weren't going to stream this debate as due to impartiality they would have to include ukip/bnp + the other cranks. (greens excepted).

Cameron is getting a right kicking now, walked right into the bit about why isn't something in the manifesto. Doh

am i watching the same debate as the rest of you?

Clegg looks and sounds like a double glazing salesman whoes just knocked on your door.

Brown looks like hes struggling to contain his frustration

cutting free bus passes and winterfuel allowance shown to be lies buy Channel 4 fact check. http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/2010/03/23/tories-to-cut-pensioner-perks/

Tandem. Think you got the comments the wrong way round there.

My point doesn't relate to the independence of the broadcaster, but that such a key part of the democratic process should not be sponsored.

I think Cameron looks very weak, and not to mention hypocritical, every time he tries to attach the others on the ground of trying to spread fear in the electorate.

Didn't Brown just say six thousand million? How much?

PSML where Brown was "talking with some young people the other day".

Anyone agreeing with Nick yet?

I was answering you on

Any way you look at it, Cameron has come in last place in all of the debates so far. Didn't see that one coming. He was meant to be the most modern, TV friendly of any of them.

Didn't Brown just say six thousand million? How much?

Yep, that's what 6 billion is.

Has Gordon talked about his poor, unwell aunt yet? Alkie Ada.

ex-chancellor in not knowing how to count zeroes shocker.

Agreed Tandem. After years of just complaining about everything that the Government have done, it finally emerges that Cameron wouldn't know what to do if he actually got the top job on May 6th.

I dearly want change. I thought that the Conservatives offered a real alternative. After these debates, I am absolutely sure that they don't. The Lib Dems are too untested. Labour have done nothing. Oh bugger! Now I don't know what to do.

Also, why does Clegg keep calling the others by their full first and last names? David Cameron, instead of David. Gordon Brown instead of Gordon.

Thats the thing - Cameron is being exposed by these debates. There never was a positive surge for him anyway - just a big surge away from Brown.

Cameron is a little man of no substance or strength.

Well put, solarider, I'm in rather the same boat. Bugger indeed!

First and last names...the BBC do the same often during interviews. I think it's a way to refer to someone without being too informal (first name) or formal "Mr X"

I think Brown got it tonight, with Cleggy a close second ... poor old Dave is on the bench!

GRRRRRR! They just did it again! In the middle of Clegg's summing up, they cut to a giant shot of the 'Sky News Leaders Debate' sign.

ALRIGHT, WE KNOW!!!!!

Love the post-debate interviews now....
Labour chaps - "The Prime Minister was the bestest and he won it hands down!"
Conservative chaps - "David Cameron was the bestest and he won it hands down!"
LibDems chaps - "Nick Clegg was the bestest and he won it hands down!"
SNP - "Wah, wah, wah. 's not fair. Och ay the noo, where's me deep fried chewits, mon?"

😉

I'm with Flash. I'll vote for whoever pledges to rebuild Hadrian's Wall!

Change the record SNP. You aren't big enough to enter the national debate, and aren't national in your policies. All 3 of the parties in the debate have UK policies, not just English. You don't. Hence you don't get to play.

However, I understand there is SKY NEWS debate for you later in the week.

2 - 0

2-0 to who?

I thought everyone agreed on the result last time?

I thought Clegg made an absolute bollocks of the Trident question though *. I actually thought Cameron did a bit better but still a distant last. Poor bugger, everyone knows his entire leadership is just populism, bluster, noncommitment and oneupmanship, but now he's come last at that too.

(*the correct answer is- whether or not Iran has nukes isn't relevant, us having nukes won't stop that, it's not stopped them from developing them, the nuclear deterrant doesn't do the job it's supposed to so let's get rid of the whole concept, it's just obviously stupid to keep the things around. /question, next!)

So, 2-0 to Clegg is what you are saying? I'm not so sure this week. Cameron definitely hasn't scored anything but own goals so far, but I begrudgingly thought Brown did well tonight.

callmedave wins according to yougov poll

according to Yougov, tis Cameron the winner 36% to Clegg, Brown last

Well, from the perspective of someone who has no faith in the whole charade I fully agree with the majority view here:

Brown came across quite well: trying to get on with a difficult job
Clegg, not bad: a bit idealistic and potentially naive but committed
'Dave' came across like a lying snake who was getting sweaty because he was being repeatedly caught out.

HeathenWoods has just successfully ended the thread. Well summarized.

according to Yougov, tis Cameron the winner 36%

Really? Well, Barnum must have been right then.

I think YouGov comes last in the poll of which polls are worth paying attention to.

SNP saying Gordon lied about not authorising the leaflets - producing one from Brown's constituency, making the same claims of the SNP.

That's a YouGov / The Sun poll - it's worth remembering who The Sun's in bed with anyway...

Is anyone else tired of Alex Salmond whining away? He gets his turn, the nationally-broadcast debates cover the three parties common to everyone.

: P

Gordon started off by saying he wasn't all PR bullshit, but was a man of substance and then proceeds to shoehorn in jokes, inane grins, quips and digs that are so obviously scripted and contrived you can see his sphincter twitching in shame
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Dave is just a parody.
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I like Nick, but I'm not sure he's got the minerals

shock - you'murdoch'gov poll states cameron wins!

Oh, hold on, now there's a chap from the BNP on the BBC claiming that in 30 years, Britain will be an Islamic Republic. For pure entertainment value alone, they should replace Cameron with him on the panel next time. Maybe Nigel Farrah instead of Clegg and Screaming Lord Such instead of Brown. Yes, I know that Screaming Lord Such is dead, but would anybody notice the difference between him and Brown?

ON the SNP - you have to remeber they are the biggest party north of the border and systematically are denied airtime and have been for decades - hence the whinge.

It really does look different from here. They have 30+ % of the scottish vote but far less than that of the scottish airtime

i think its grossly unfair that the raving looney monster party has not been given airtime....... (or perhaps they were 😉 )

All 3 seemed to be going for each other way more this time. It was quite fun. 🙂

There was a bit when Gordon Brown was answering the question about voter apathy where he managed to impress me with how forcefully and effectively he encouraged people to get out and vote. Other than that I don't think that any of the leaders did much to dramatically change my opinions of them. Nick Clegg defended his party's pro-European attitude reasonably well.

they are the biggest party north of the border

It's a [i]national[/i] election, TJ, not for some jumped up load of local councillors "north of the border"! 😉

Its actually supranational as it encompasses 4 nations.

Just trying to get you littleminded people to understand why the continual whinge from the SNP - its because the London based parties deliberately squeeze out the sirtime the SNP can get. This has been going on for decades and is really rather tiresome to see.

No, TJ, it does not. This is an election for the Parliament and Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

seriously - wtf is you gov all about - of all the people in that room call me dave was the biggest joke .....

i think brown did well - and im far from his biggest fan - but it would be a case of out of the pan into the fire with the other too.....

So your beloved Wales is not a nation? The 6 nations will have to be renamed?

Get real

Get real

Using the Beloved Leader's Phrase of Choice, I see.

Wales is a part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. So is Scotland. So is Yorkshire. So what?

So - SNP, UKIP, BNP, Plaid Cymru....

"you're going to need a bigger stage....."

Not one of them inspires me to go out and vote for them to be fair, Cameron has got two hopes of getting the keys to No10 now.

Brown looks knackered, Clegg is too rehearsed and Dave looks lost.

So is Yorkshire.

now you're talking, I'd vote for the YNP

Bakes, we all know it would be called the HYEP.

(Holy Yorkshire Empire Party. 😉 )

I loves a bit of Yorkshire, me. Lived there for a while, wonderful county, wonderful people! Apart from Doncaster. Which is flat. And dull. But still has wonderful people! Mostly.

Maybe if the SNP were able to impose their policies on England (the same way the tories did to us) you English would be better off and whinge less?*
*probably not 😉

I thought Wales was a Principality, not a Nation?

2 Kingdoms, 1 Principality & 1 Province IIRC....

But if Yorkshire gets independence, would the capital be Sheffield or L**ds? There could be civil war...

Leeds is the centre of the Universe, everyone knows that 😉

What about the (quasi) Independent Islamic State of Bradford???? 😉